By Ishaan . February 25, 2011 . 6:56pm
If you subscribe to Atlus USA’s newsletter, you should see this in your inbox:
Yes; we like you even more.
YES, why would you think other wise! just produce us some games and stay away from ledges!(almost sounded like a suicide note lol)
Because they apparently claimed that Catherine is not in the cards for a localization right now, which has, unfortunately, enraged a good many people.
If it is what I think it is then yes, very much so!
When I saw that, my heart jumped…Atlus you are such a tease, but I will follow you blindly as I always do.
It’s really hard not to look to hard into it.
Only if you would… please… PLEASE bring over Growlanser PSP.
agreed, i need my glancer fix XD
Agreed… Until then I don’t really love them, they’re more of an ugly girlfriend that needs to be brown-bagged and taken from behind…
This combined with the earlier claim that they had no current plans to localize Catherine makes it seem as if Atlus is becoming some kind of tsun/yandere combo on us… well played.
I think it’s a terrible thing that all the cry-babies forced them to resort to this sort of thing. The media didn’t help either. This is a ridiculous situation, imo.
Cry-babies are the reason we can’t have nice things.
Personally, I believe that we wouldn’t have been getting Tales of Graces F if not for the “cry-babies.”
But I think Atlus and Namco were two totally different cases.
And the cry-babies are the reason we won’t get Xillia, because they’re not going to buy Graces F.
Well, then the rest of us have to pick up the slack. Do you honestly think Namco’s going to have anything even vaguely resembling a decent advertising campaign for Graces F? It’s up to the people who complained in the first place to get it here, to buy, buy copies for their friends, spread the word. Do basically what was done for Valkyria Chronicles. That game went from how low to 600k, all through word of mouth. Same thing has to happen here.
And before anyone says “Oh, but Gamestop lowered the price on it,” Gamestop lowers the price on a lot of games. You don’t see 600k people rushing out to buy Viking, just because it’s cheaper, now, do you?
Or they are going to buy Graces F, but no one else will.
They were going to release Graces in Europe before anyway, they just held back because of all the bugs on the wii version and their impending finanacial apocalypse. The news about them localising it just to please us is a load of crap, theyre localising it because they think they will make a profit. If Xillia sells amazingly well in Japan then they will localise it, Graces sales will only effect it if Xillia does so badly that it becomes a risk. I won’t be buying Graces, ive played it, it was absolutley horrid, i wont waste my money again. If it was Xillia no one would have this problem, it looks like a top quality game and theres no one who doesnt want it, but theres many reasons people dont want Graces. I’m no crybaby, i work hard for my money and i won’t take the blame for Xillia not making it here, Namco is the blame, not us. ;) Plenty of companies are in financial trouble, some of them even swallow their pride and allow other companies to localise for them, or continue to localise everything despite abysmal sales.
There are numerous things wrong with what you posted.
“They were going to release Graces in Europe before anyway, they just held back because of all the bugs on the wii version and their impending finanacial apocalypse.” First of all, where is your source? Secondly, Graces is not being localized in Europe, so you actually have no source.
“If Xillia sells amazingly well in Japan then they will localise it, Graces sales will only effect it if Xillia does so badly that it becomes a risk.” That’s not the way it works. Other games have sold fantastically well in Japan, but still don’t see the light of day in the US. Just because something sells well in one country doesn’t mean it will here. And believe me, sales of localized games will absolutely affect what other games are localized. Why do you think we missed out on Destiny 2? Because Tales of Destiny and Eternia sold terribly. If Graces sells poorly, you can bet we’re not seeing another localized Tales game here for a long time, if ever.
“I won’t be buying Graces, ive played it, it was absolutley horrid, i wont waste my money again. If it was Xillia no one would have this problem, it looks like a top quality game and theres no one who doesnt want it.” Okay, you didn’t like Graces, fair enough. But how do you know Xilia will be better? You haven’t even played it. You can’t assume like that. For all anyone knows, it might be the next Tempest. it just doesn’t work.
“I’m no crybaby, i work hard for my money and i won’t take the blame for Xillia not making it here, Namco is the blame, not us. ;)” K, so… let me get something straight. You and other people refuse to buy Graces, but somehow, if the game doesn’t sell, it’s Namco’s fault? How can that be? You are the consumer. If you, as the consumer, complain about how much you want a localized game and then don’t buy what’s localized, can you really blame the company for not wanting to localize again for fear of more poor sales? Don’t b*tch at a company for not localizing games when you won’t even buy what they do localize. Really. Beggars can’t be choosers.
“Plenty of companies are in financial trouble, some of them even swallow their pride and allow other companies to localise for them, or continue to localise everything despite abysmal sales.” And plenty of companies go out of business with reckless business decisions. Just because other companies do it doesn’t mean it’s necessarily financially feasible for Namco to do it.
@Wiccan1109: That was seriously the most illogical, obnoxious, and downright ignorant response I’ve received in a long time, and this coming from a frequent poster on 4chan.
I will respond to exactly one of your points, otherwise I might stop being a nice guy.
“I’m no crybaby, i work hard for my money and i won’t take the blame for Xillia not making it here, Namco is the blame, not us. ;)”
Namco is not to blame if poor sales of the franchise mean that further installments in the franchise appear extremely unprofitable. The consumers- that’s you and I and the rest of the video-game buying public- are to blame for the sales. You know why? I should think it’s obvious.
We still dont know if we are not going to get it, and as i said below, dont worry, even if they say they wont, they will… we are in the itnernet so they say stuff like that…
@Wiccan1109 – way to go, for uniting everyone who was debating about this against you, because, honestly, I have to agree with everyone saying that your post is incredibly dumb. They weren’t going to localize Graces anyway. And if you’re talking about Japanese sales, then the PS3 version of Vesperia would’ve come over, since that sold more in one week than the 360′s lifetime sales in Japan.
It’s people like you who will guarantee that we won’t get Xillia. You know, at first, I was assuming that Ishaan was referring to people like me, who have been very vocal about games needing to be localized, as “cry-babies,” but looking at your post, I honestly can’t think of any more accurate description for you.
I don’t know whether to think of you as naive or just willfully ignorant. The only person I have an even lower opinion of is whoever liked your post.
If a game is bad why would someone with even the tiniest bit of intelligence buy it? That is just silly.
@Paul – I don’t know. Why did you buy Splatterhouse?
@Paul: Because what’s good or bad can be drastically different to different people. Even if the vast majority of a given community hates a game, there’s bound to be someone out there who enjoyed it, and it’s not “bad” to them.
Buy Splatterhouse? Sorry, but I don’t own it.
So did you rent it? Pirate it? You seemed to be talking up that game quite a lot around the time it came out. Not just on this site either. Anyway, why are you even in this conversation? Did your comment about Graces being a bad game (have you even played it?) even add anything to it? And if you aren’t implying it’s a bad game, then why even make that statement in the first place?
(replying here since i can’t reply to the comments above)
I wasn’t referring to you at all, haha. I mean, obviously, we want to see a lot of these games come over, too, and that’s part of why we try to give them exposure. We spend every available minute of our time researching and writing about them so that more people know why they’re interesting.
It’s just when the ridiculous talk of boycotting or holding a company’s ambition against them starts to fly that things get annoying and we have to try and weed those comments out, since they ruin the conversation for everyone else.
It’s all in the danger of assumption, methinks. A lot of people simply assumed that since it was a first-party Atlus game, localizing it would be a no-brainer. The amount of backlash is completely ridiculous though… they didn’t localize just one game, so now people hate them? Geez.
EDIT: Yes, I realize this may be a tease, but I’m going with the concrete “not for now” for the time being.
Im quite sure it just to get us to see their facebook page and view the livestream of radiant historia…
That’s more likely, if you ask me. Why would they give us a tease immediately after saying “We have no plans right now”?
Because a lot of fans on the Internet are stupid and force publishers to resort to this sort of thing. Please don’t buy into stupid conspiracy theories.
@Ishaan: I’m a bit confused… is the conspiracy theory here that this is a teaser?
No no, I’m just saying I don’t think this has anything to do with Radiant Historia promotion. It’s just a reaction to all the crap fans have been giving Atlus lately.
Ah, OK. Thanks for the clarification.
Not just one game, but the first HD game from the team that created two of the hottest JRPGs(Persona 3&4) to come out in their respective years. In an era where the FPS is the western standard a quality JRPG from Atlus, and one on a next gen console, is well worth getting riled up about.
Persona 3 & 4 got fantastic critical reception, but I’d be hard-pressed to call them the “hottest” JRPGs if we’re talking sales. Also, this isn’t a JRPG, it’s an action-puzzler. The fact that it’s in HD makes little difference and I don’t see why people always point out that it’s the first HD game from Atlus. Of course they were going to have to move up to new hardware eventually!
Sales-wise, P3 and 4 were the highest selling games from their respective series. It’s choice-like nature makes it close to the Persona and SMT games. HD makes little difference to you, and that’s fine, but clearly, we are not you. And they point it out because so many of us have wanted this for a long time.
@Alexander: Being the highest-selling game in the Shin Megami Tensei franchise is not an impressive feat. They’re a bit more popular than the other titles, sure, but they sure weren’t moving any big numbers.
With all the BS tales fans had to go through i can understand the reaction, we’re the community and the game industry is jerking us around a lot this gen.
Businesses are businesses, unfortunately. If they don’t think they can profit on the release, they won’t do it, and it’s certainly a far cry from “jerking around”. Tales games sold terribly when released here, so they stopped localizing them. It makes sense. Hopefully we can redeem ourselves with Graces f.
The sales were mediocre rather than horrible i thought. Vesperia did rather well for a JRPG didnt it? i forget. And its not only up to us..they need to advertise as people have said a million times. I know people who would find the tales series perfect for them but didnt hear about it till i introduced it to them, word of mouth only does so much.
Except for the Symphonia games, they did pretty terribly all around. You’re right that they need to advertise, though, and choose smarter launch dates too (launching Tales of the Abyss right next to Final Fantasy XII was a bad, bad idea.)
There’s a decent (but not great) market for Tales, but tapping it requires more thought than they’re putting forth and their localization effort on Vesperia wasn’t budgeted as well as it could have been. It’s not that I don’t personally understand their predicament, but as a business they’re not making smart decisions anyway, so they might as well make ones that please me!
Me, me, meeee!
BS? Tales sales where never that great and the company wanted to go into another direction. It sucks but it’s not BS. Likewise considering Namco atcually listened to their fans and decided to release a game again is amazing. Really what more could you want. A company that listens to US is always a good thing if you ask me. :)
Maybe, except when the companies listen to fans and they dont buy the games. And based on initial response from Tales of Graces F….people have sworn to not buying the game already.
And that’s why I hate THE FANS and not NAMCO. If it fails (please don’t let it). I won’t hold anything against Namco because they tried. What more could I want from them?
Dont worry they will, they are all tsunederes
I’d guess it depends on the fans. I’m tsundere for Valkyria Chronicles. Can’t stand the fact VC 2 & 3 were made for the PSP rather than the PS3. Despite all my complaining though I did buy VC2 and will buy VC3. If Tales fans are the same then Tales of Graces F might do better than it seems.
I’ll most likely be buying it. I’ve been looking for a Tales game on the PS3 for a while and with Vesperia never coming up…
Tales of Graces F seems to be my only choice for the moment.
The Vesperia fanboys? Ugh. I’m with everyone in becoming disillusioned with the fanbase. They’re self-entitled to the point where it’s just ridiculous. What’s funny is that some of them get their feathers ruffled when that entitlement is brought up, despite it being true for many of them. Poking fun at Namco can be a blast, but, at the end of the day, they’re a company employing people whose livelihood depends on the success of their business. They can’t localize every game in a niche RPG series. Could they handle the series better here, especially in regards to advertising? Yeah, but raking the company over hot coals for not localizing a game that’s already been released here in some capacity is just pushing it.
I was part of the spam at the beginning in August, on their Facebook, but then got sick of it because I realized I wasn’t helping, and I was embarrassing both myself and those who are relatively normal fans. So I reexamined my position and have become a staunch critic of the idiocy that I was once a part of.
I can only hope that a middle ground can be reached between the game publishers and fans.
Well…since vesperia there were several on the psp, 2 on the ps3,and 1 on the Wii and fans had no idea if they’d be playing any of them. Thats the BS i mean. Really didnt expect to be jumped on lol. And yeah i know all about ToGF and i plan to double dip to show my support, why are we getting graces? because people asked for it. A lot of people wanted Cathy so the reaction, as i was simply trying to say, was understandable.
The fact that a glut of whiny brats actually got what they wanted frankly scares me. If this is what we have to resort to to get anything, I can’t imagine that Japanese developers will put up with localizers for much longer.
Yea, I don’t think people realize that this sort of thing only makes publishers want to distance themselves from the “hardcore” crowd as much as they can, and aim at a more mainstream audience that won’t complain as much.
I expect you’re right, but the hardcore crowd is still the devil they know. While the mainstream audience doesn’t complain, they tend to be far more fickle and come and go on a whim. Guitar Hero for example went from hero to zero in no time.
@mirumu: can’t reply to your comment, so i’m doing it here
Yea, I can’t argue with the fickle part of it. The mainstream are just as hard to please in their own way. They won’t swoop in right away for sequels, and they’re less tolerant of some of the bad design decisions that the more enthusiast gamer would put up with.
I think a lot of publishers see it as a long-term investment though. Just like we grew up with a certain set of games and franchises, so will this new audience. Once they’re more invested in games, I suspect they’ll likely be more tolerant and accepting of different things than our generation.
Well, theoretically. The Internet still has a lot of sway, and cynicism spreads fast, unfortunately. :(
@Ishaan – they’d be wrong, though, to think that appealing to the mainstream is a long-term investment. As was said, they’re a fickle audience. They only care about what is popular. So many companies (and bands and writers and directors) have failed horribly at their attempts to court the mainstream. The only thing they usually succeed at when they do that is losing their hardcore fanbase. Because when a trend changes, those are the only people who will still buy your product.
I highly doubt Atlus is localizing Catherine in response to fanboy bitching. In fact, I’d be astonished if they hadn’t been planning to localize it from the get-go, seeing as they localize literally every self-published handheld or console game they release nowadays.
I wasn’t talking about that, since there wasn’t any bitching to be had here. There’s enough of a guaranteed fanbase that it wasn’t necessary. What I’m talking about are those series that don’t have a big enough guaranteed sales bracket to justify a localization and the vocal minority who thinks otherwise.
Nobody’s “jerking you around.” Tales fans didn’t have to go through any “BS” either. They’re in the minority, and most people out there don’t care about Tales. Namco Bandai is a huge company, and they need to focus on what will keep them afloat when a bunch of other companies are sinking. They have families to feed and support, and if localizing a huge Tales game with lots of text isn’t worth the effort, they won’t/shouldn’t do it. It’s that simple.
I remember why i dont like posting here now. ALL i said was that i understood the reaction, not that i condoned it. If you’re a tales fan like me the words “no plan is pretty synonymous with no”. And i mean things like DLC characters in fighting games, hell some DLC in general is jerking the consumer around imo especially unlocking stuff on disc but thats a different story. And didnt the games the focused on like enslaved do terrible? Yes everyones got families to feed but thats being a tad overdramatic. And they did decide to do it sooooo its worth it no?
They’re doing it because they’re out of options. Their western-developed games all underperformed, so they’re relying on what they do have left now. How is the reality of trying to keep your company afloat when developers are shutting down left and right “overdramatic”?
I don’t mean to sound harsh, but I do wish people would think about these things before the usual knee-jerk reaction of blaming developers. We try to encourage people to understand the situation on Siliconera, that’s all.
If “no plans” means “no” to you, then you need to understand how marketing works.
You’re still not getting what i’m saying. I don’t condone the whining that brought this about, all i was saying is that i UNDERSTAND where it’s coming from. And i thought this site was supposed to be professional so when i saw you refer to people as cry babies i took it the wrong way. And i called it over dramatic because we all know people have mouths to feed and families to take care of no need to really bring it up. I’ll reiterate my point again, i don’t support their reaction but i understand it.
That’s why I said the “cry-babies” thing in the comments and not in my post above, hahaha. It wasn’t directed at you in any way, so I apologize if you thought I was coming down on you or something.
It’s just that we put up with people whining about a bunch of things from consoles (“Bawwwwwww why isn’t this on PS3?????”) to games not being announced for localization before they’re even released in Japan every single day. And if we’re so sick of it, I can’t even imagine how the publishers must feel.
I understand that some people are upset by the Namco/Tales situation, but this sort of thing has been going on for ages, and it’s really starting to get annoying simply because those fans are the loudest and they drown out everyone else’s voice.
No hard feelings I hope. :)
Crap…twas a misunderstanding….and i really didnt know the extent of the whining. While i seemed to be advocating them the whining made me leave the tales fanbase altogether and i just played the games and decided not to partake in discussion due to how bad it got. And i definitely see where your coming from but on that same token..games are more expensive than before..the quality has dropped (at least imo), and with DLC you feel you never really “finish” paying for a game. I feel that leads to a sense of entitlement which then yields to reactions like “we hate atlus” or “i hope namco bandai HQ explodes” (personal fave of mine from gfaqs).
No hard feelings for sure lol.
Namco Bandai greatly limits their potential global market and in turn makes dumb choices (Clash of the Titans, Dead to Rights) games no one wants anyway. IF they bothered to listen to their fans like Atlus often does then perhaps they’d see better results
The people those games are marketed to aren’t necessarily hardcore gamers, and probably aren’t the type to be on message boards requesting titles, so of course there won’t seem to be any demand for them. The Tales games definitely seem heavily demanded, but it’s a very vocal minority and obviously those demands didn’t translate into sales. As a result, they go for the aforementioned less-demanded but more profitable titles.
It’s true most people don’t care about Tales, but it’s also true there’s a sizable niche in America who really like Japanese RPGs. There are a few whiners, but most of your ‘Whiners’ are just reasonable gamers frustrated that they don’t get to play the kind of games they want to play.
Whining about whining is more whiny than the whining itself.
And your ‘Worth the time to translate it’ argument falls apart the moment they refuse to let third party companies like XSeed localize their games. They wouldn’t lose any money at all, and they would satisfy their following.
Anyway, I never doubted for a moment Catherine would come out here. Persona 3 and 4 are their only games that did sell well here, and it’s by the same development team.
As a Tales fan, I certainly haven’t gone through any bullshit since the last time I played Symphonia.
Honestly, I don’t get what the Tales Fandom is so upset about. It’s not like other franchises don’t ever get to come over. I’m still holding out in the bottom of my heart for Metal Max 3.
*looks at his copy of Metal Saga by Atlus*
…Thank you Atlus for giving me my Bionically-Bazooka-Compatible Dog and Tank game where I can fight giant tomatoes wielding cleavers.
Thank you very much…
And yes… I’d love to see Mad Max 3 as well.
rar, I was just talking about Metal Saga today with a friend >ww<'
Cry babies are the reason I don’t play MMO’s anymore, but that can be a wholeeee other discussion. :)
Just wanted to say something about what you said below….
“It’s just a reaction to all the crap fans have been giving Atlus lately.”
It really isnt the fans’s fault (the real fans, not the haters that start crying when they cant get what they want) that they have been less “Atlus-like” lately (and for a long time), maintaining a reputation is way harder than gaining it, and is normal for the fans, at least in my case, to worry that something might have happened, and of course, talk about my worries about the company…
With this, i see that they at least noticed what has been happening, i dont really like my worries to be called “crap”, if i were to blame someone, i honestly think is Atlus’s fault for “being in the dark “for so long… And is not really their “fault”, this is just my selfishness as a fan, is not like they have to be like they always used to be, while they keep doing what they do best.
But we just got so used to the Atlus of before, is weird to see how they have been lately, a bit more “cold”?, i mean, with more time, i wouldn’t mind, at the end, things cant stay the same forever, for example plublishers like Square Enix, Sega, CAPCOM, i love them a lot, but they are not as close as Atlus,XSEED,AKSYS,NISA to us, so is not really a necessity for them to be like that. Of course, the difference is how much i will love the games i receive from such publishers, i treat the later companies’s games a lot better, and try to get them DAY 1 if its possible, all because of their efforts to be close to us.
I mean, even the most loyal village can’t have the same amount of loyalty for all the time the king reigns, the king wont always do the same things, and wont always be the same… Is just how things are.
Im just hella glad Atlus is making a move!!
Sorry if my english is messy, i tend to write wrong when i write a lot D:
The crap he’s talking about isn’t so much people worrying that Catherine wouldn’t come over as it is the ludicrous amount of people saying things like “we hate you Atlus” and even some saying we should boycott their games, that sort of selfishness. Basically, the cry-babies you mentioned in your post.
Oh i see… Heheh… *sits on the corner* -.-’
I wouldn’t lose sleep over people like that not supporting Atlus. The true fans will stick with them.
As long as we get a hookup every now and then. :P
Who’s saying they hate Atlus? I think most of the more skeptical people are just concerned that they’re seeing business ownership/management changes paired with some decisions that could be interpreted as a shift in publishing priorities (e.g. western RPGs like Divinity II, MMOs, not seeing some games like Luminous Arc 3 and Blaze Union localized, etc). During all of this, we’re getting occasional PR-speak responses saying not to worry about the direction of the company, but not a whole lot of substance to back those statements up. I think it’s reasonable for people to be wary, it’s easy (and often justified) to be cynical of trusting publishers in this industry. Especially when they seem a bit more distant these days compared to the supremely fan-friendly company they were when they won all these fans over to begin with.
That being said, this kind of email is exactly what Atlus needs to be doing to reassure people. If they follow through and end up releasing Catherine and the P2: Innocent Sin remake, then maybe we see something like a Persona 5 confirmation… I think that would go a LONG way to alleviating any lingering uncertainty from the fanbase and stopping some of the “whining”. Talk is just talk, now it’s time to see if Atlus is willing to prove themselves with their actions. Looks like there’s a good chance they are going to do so, which is great news.
If you go on most of the more mainstream gaming news sites that reported the article, there’s a lot of Atlus hate going on. There’s nothing unreasonable about the people concerned about their business direction, even I’m somewhat worried about that myself.
Well put. I don’t really know the extent of teh hat0rz, but I think a lot of reasonable criticism tends to get blacklisted by playing teh hat0r card. Everyone’s always saying they’re just a business, they’re just out to make money, etc etc. Fair enough, but then it’s only natural consumers are going to react and voice their opinions when a company shifts its focus/products, whether it’s gaming or soft drinks. They’re above reproach simply by virtue of being a profit-driven corporation?
However, that said, I haven’t been following this closely and I’m sure there has been plenty of ridiculous/over-the-top stuff going around.
Exactly. Different people’s ideas of what are good and bad are different. Yet people who aren’t going to buy Graces because they didn’t like it for whatever reason are being spoken down too? That’s silly.
I’ve never been an Atlus Faithful, really, but I agree, for the most part, with your sentiments. I also believe they have changed a bit post Demon’s Souls (be it coincidence, correlation, or cause). Just look at their upcoming line-up. It’s undeniable they don’t seem as adamant about localizing niche games as they once do, at least for now.
I’m a bit sad, but at the same time I understand.
I can’t really blame them, as Ishaan said somewhere, since fears for a mid/small-sized game company run high in this time when many are closing left and right. The market, industry, it’s all changed since their their thriving PS1/ PS2 days. The stakes are higher now than they’ve ever been, and burning cash and time on localizing everything that comes out in Japan (even if it’s questionably profitable) like they once did when they were a smaller company and times were easier might not be the way to go anymore. They have to adapt to survive. Make smarter and weightier decisions. Expand their audience. Demon’s Souls did precisely that and succeeded; it’s only logical they continue exploring that direction.
Maybe they’ll return to what they once were, but I’m not holding my breath and I’m open ot any game as long as it’s interesting to me–not because it’s Japanese (though it’s certainly a bonus). Though honestly, I’m sure they’ll continue to localize their internally developed games as they always have. It’s just their most consistent means of profit.
Here is the thing though. Catherine has received an insane amount of coverage across multiple news outlets. That just makes people assume Catherine was coming out in America. No Atlus game sells that well in America, or hell, even in Japan for that matter. So I don’t really see the point in not bringing the game to America. Atlus games have a niche cult following in America that always seems to make up for the cost of localization.
I agree in almost all the things you said man, it’s depressing, but honestly I’m happy that they actually still care in some way or another for their “older” fans.
I understand that they have to change their priorities, it’s one damn harsh world we live in.., but a gaming company lives from his fans, and if these fans feel annoyed by the decisions the company makes, they can’t really blame anyone except themselves. That said I want to contradict my last statement with the fact that actually both parties are to blame, the consumers should take any chance they get to actually buy the titles they cry for, and support Atlus, pirating doesn’t help sh** and renting is not exactly the same as buying it as well. While the company should stay true in any way possible to the fans that made them so well known in the beginning.
Man I sound like one ugly hyporcrite, but hopefully some understand what I was trying to say…~ xd
This email may be a direct response to whiners, but I think the email before this the Atlus Plays: Radiant Historia one says they also heard some of the more logically expressed concerns.
Think back, why did we of the faithful become “Atlus Faithful”, because Atlus was putting out the kinds of games we wanted to play. When you read the four page GameFan article on Thousand Arms, Rhapsody or whatever, the biggest thing that came across was these were a bunch of dudes who were localizing the games THEY wanted to play. A perfect match.
Now, the changing world of gaming and the changing world of Atlus USA (remember many guys went to places like Aksys and XSeed) may have moved exclusively beyond the “Faithful”. But being able to watch a bunch of guys play and do commentary over a DS game means there are Truly still folks at Atlus playing games I want to play.
…You really think this teaser was forced, or a concession?
I admit, I deliberately ignored the PR response for reasons that you’re already quite familiar with, and was really surprised see such a big fuss being made over it.
But the one time the folks at Atlus seemed to be genuinely fed up with speculation/rumor/kerfluffle, they just came out and said “Alright already, we’re localizing Persona PSP.” You don’t think they’d do the same for Catherine? Maybe I’m the one who’s mistaken (I also admit that I mostly ignored the fuss) but this reads more like a trollface.gif than a pacifier for the “cry-babies”.
…I’m sure they know that even the kids wailing and gnashing their teeth because X or Y supposedly isn’t being localized will immediately rush back to kiss their feet if X or Y does get announced anyway. ;)
I do think it was part of the reason at least, yea. I’m not necessarily looking at this entirely from an “Awww, poor Atlus” point of view. I mean, let’s be honest…half the people whining about boycotting them were never going to do it. :p
But I do think it’s sad that such a huge hue and cry was raised in the first place, and that the media only made it worse by reporting that story when we get dozens of similar “no plans at this time…” PR responses a year. It just goes to show how quickly people will jump the gun. Worse, it actually got their attention and they saw fit to respond to all the whining… :(
It’s just…when you see stuff like this, you can kind of understand why publishers are so tired of the “hardcore” crowd (even if it’s the audience they’re most familiar with) and why some of them are trying to break away. :/
As for Persona PSP…that was a smaller game imo; it was also on PSP. It was always going to do limited numbers. Catherine is a much bigger game for them, and it’s been getting a lot of attention from some of the more mainstream sites out there. I can totally understand why they would want to make the announcement when they’re ready to make it and in a manner of their choosing.
Honestly, it was their fault. They should have chose their PR words better.
“We have no plans” is a horrible way to put it. “No comment” “nothing at this time” or various other words would have conveyed the idea that they don’t have anything at to say at the moment, while still not sound so definite as “WE HAVE NO PLANS. AT ALL.”
I for one welcome our yandere Atlus overlords.
Wait are you saying that if I shift my attention to other companies Atlus will go crazy and try to KILL ME!!! *Gulp* Just what kind of relationship have I gotten myself into. lol
No, Atlus will kill the other companies. Then it will cripple you and make you live in fear and completely dependent on it. Only if you try to escape it may kill you, but I guess it would just cripple you a bit more.
As long as it doesn’t cripple my thumbs. But I’ll never forgive them for hurting all those others fine companies out there and unless Atlus becomes the publisher of Dragon Quest I’ll never be as happy as I use to be. *Secretly buys new Dragon Quest title, hides in the basement and plays it. ATLUS kicks the door opens smashes the game device breaks my thumbs, and forces me to watch it play other games. NNOOOOOOOUUUUUHHHH!!!!!!!!!!* I never thought MEGATEN could bring me pain. lol
All in a sweet and childish voice. Did you watch the yandere drama CD? Good stuff man, good stuff.
@Ren lol No I haven’t gotten around to it yet. Right now I’m watching the Room. A movie with the biggest cast of yandere’s ever. lol With the biggest yandere of all being Tommy Wiseau lol = [http://www.mamapop.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/tommy-wiseau-the-room.jpg]
Check out how crazy and abusive these people are: lol [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lmiDW7BsIk&feature=related]
I can’t respond to the comment in which you said it, so I’ll respond here.
WHAT THE HELL, MAN?! DON’T DO IT! DON’T WATCH THE ROOM!!!
It’s an awful film. Don’t do this to yourself, man. XD
When did that happen? O-o, that… claim?
This is the only website that reported it, every other one who did cited that article. I’ve never even heard of beefjack before, which is why I was highly skeptical about it being legit.
Well, if it was an interview or a one-on-one question rather than a press release from Atlus themselves, it would make sense for there to be only one site reporting the initial news.
Are you people not on Atlus’ mailing list or something? they send this out yesterday after they sent a similliar message a week ago(same pink color)wishing us “a happy valentine’s day” and sparking speculation that a Catherine release was imminent because of the color being similiar to the ingame menu.
Now, fully aware of that speculation and after the recent upheave about them sucking based on a shitty no-name site’s pr response, they sent out the same message they did on valentine’s day with the text”do you still like us?” and nothing else was in the mail and this was AFTER the Radiant Historia stream.
Come on, guys, it really isn’t that hard to connect the dots here.
Ehhh… this looks pretty fake, i mean, it’s so short… and the author really didn’t made anything look real…
Well, there’s not much to say, is there?
I’ll just reiterate here that I think it’s entirely possible that the report is fake or that something was taken out of context, but I’m just not believing anything until we get another concrete no from Atlus or until it’s confirmed.
Yeah, let’s just wait, i didnt even knew about this, and i frequent to some really trsuty game sites, so i can pretty much assume this as a really bad way to get more people to get into your site… i will just wait
There was never really any doubt in my mind.
It’s not so much that it’s fake as the fact that they only stated the truth and standard PR talk was blown out of proportion. Did people expect them to just say, “Yup, we’re localizing it already” to some random website before they have made any kind of formal announcement or released any official press statement on their own? That’s what they always do, isn’t it?
Why the heck would they publish Radiant Historia, a minor DS title developed externally (no it’s not), and turn around to NOT publish Catherine, an obviously expensive title developed internally with obvious ties to the mega-popular Persona universe? I believe Catherine is not only a technical test run for Persona 5, but a sales gauge test as well. When was the last time they didn’t localize an internally developed, SMT related game? Is there any indication the western interest level for their games suddenly dropped off the cliff?
If anything, it’s the opposite. It’s the biggest damn thing they’ve got right now. If Namco, a much bigger company more oriented towards the mainstream, caved in to pleas of localizing a Tales game, then people really need to check their brains at the front door before freaking out about Atlus.
(That said, I dismissed the one sent on valentine’s day as any basis of a promise because that shade of pink isn’t particularly special on that occasion. But do it again out of that context and they’re definitely teasing.)
EDIT: Radiant Historia is internal, my bad.
I thought Radiant Historia was developed internally?
Also, was this ever confirmed to be connected to the Shin Megami Tensei universe outside of the P3P cameo?
Ah you’re right. My bad. Doesn’t affect my statement/ all the more reason to localize Catherine though. :P
Nope. But that connection P3P is enough, if any the connection to Persona lies elsewhere: The art is the same, the music is same, even the team is the same, and there are obviously shared themes. That’s a pretty clear connection to me, and a pretty big draw. It will likely have a bigger audience overlap with Persona than Persona does with other SMT games (people who are into Persona are not necessarily into SMT otherwise, more successful in the west than other SMT games).
Ah, thanks for the heads-up regarding the SMT connection, I was just curious about that. You’re definitely right that Persona is the more well-known series over here and that it will attract some people for sure though. If you ask me, the main series are better games, but Persona is pretty good too.
It was confirmed that it is NOT connected to the Persona universe in a podcast recently.
That the main character was introed in as mainstream a Persona game as you get, and folks are buying/want it because of team ties to Persona has me take a podcasts ‘announcement’ that the two worlds are separate with a huge grain of corporate-speak salt. The SMT multiverse is certainly crazy enough to allow Catherine to exist somewhere within it even though Vince can’t pull Jack Frost out of his head.
Man if companies answered questions like, “yeah by the way we’re doing this!” straight up whenever asked we’d have so, so many more stories. :)
I know, right. That would be ideal and I would love it, plus the world would be free of much FUD. Alas, precious info control and business practices get in the way of straightforward communication, but I wonder how much it’d really hurt them to answer directly, especially on smaller matters. Seems so hard to just squeeze an ounce… I’m sure they have their reasons though.
Heck I pester game developers on twitter every once in a while and most of the time they blow me off. I wish more people were like Harada, but then again I see his crazed Tekken fans get too cozy with him and we come back to the entitlement problem…
EDIT: I’m talking too much. Much be the oxygen.
Which would be both good and bad.
Good, because then right from the start people would be craving any tidbit of information about X game because it would be arriving.
And bad, because then there’s be no hype or lead up to possibly garner more sales. Imagine how many people probably got more excited and willing to buy Catherine (if this is a hint at that yada yada) after seeing this Atlus Faithful message?
Eugh, yea. I feel terrible for Harada sometimes. You see fans going “WHY WON’T YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION!!!” and it really makes you feel for the guy because he puts up with it all. Ono, too, for that matter.
I think a lot of fans are completely clueless about the concept of a non-disclosure agreement.
I know one other site who reports “No Catherine for foreigners” but god, this stupid thing’s spreading like wildfire. :
Well, aside from this e-mail, which is a far cry from a concrete confirmation of anything, there hasn’t been anyone out there saying that it’s misinformation.
I was pretty skeptical about that article anyway.
You know what I find suspicious?
The fact that this e-mail was sent in all Pink… Know what else is also promoted in all pink?
Breast cancer awareness?
I can’t stop making THE ROOM references lol
I think this is an appropriate response. :D
Gal Gun?! O.0
Wait a second hold the phone
No Catherine localization?
Oh my God.
That article said no, this e-mail seems to be teasing yes, no-one has any idea until Atlus clears things up. I’d say that since this is directly from Atlus and not from a third party, though, that this is the news to watch. It’s probably coming.
“No plans now” does not mean “no plans forever”. It seems like some people jumped to that conclusion.
The line is a common PR response, one that I’ve heard so many times (frequent readers probably know we ask lots of questions) we won’t report it because it can be misleading.
I seem to be switching between saying they said “no plans” or just “they said no” between all of my posts, sorry for any confusion that may have caused!
Yeah, I assumed you guys didn’t post the story for reasons along that line.
Just because I’ve been talking to NISA doesn’t mean I don’t love you Atlus! My heart will always belong to you!
Aww… W-Well, we can still hang out, right?
N..No! Don’t take it that way! I still love you too! Its just….just…..
This is why I’ll never be good with commitment! T.T
I don’t question your commitment, but I’m certainly wary of signing any contracts with you.
But I’ll make your wishes come true :3
Have you ever heard of Polyamory? It’s similar to Polygamy or Polyandry, but it’s not so contractually obligating or limiting as either of those.
Polygamy is, after all, one man with multiple wives. Whereas Polyandry is the opposite, one wife with multiple husbands.
Polyamory is, to put it short, a love triangle or higher that works with every participants aware, respectful, loyal and in love.
After all, loving many is not a sign of immediate betrayal, if it were, would not all form of love be submitted to this sort of judgement? Would not all the romantic love you carried before you be thus betrayed and in equal part, your current love, also be betrayed by your lingering emotions and feelings of romance towards others or to memories of yonder days?
Cheating on a person implies lying and would you truly be cheating on someone if you were in a truly open relationship with another to whom you were both equally faithful to and honest as you pursued other relations?
It isn’t the act of pursuing another that is in fact the betrayal. It is that you hide it and lie to your present love that makes it a betrayal. Of course, not everyone would be so understanding, and very few would be open to such relationships that would allow people to love many…
And Love itself is measured by the heart as well, and the heart, the emotions of a person, tend to be an uncontrollable force to which we may at times fool into believing an emotion or subdue through force and commitment of concentration and meditation, but nevertheless, the purest of emotions we possess still nag at us in the depth of our being and as such, would we not be cheating ourselves as well if we were not open to our emotions and honest to our loved ones?
And so, I tell you little… thingy with the haunting red eyes and stuff…
Would it not be best for you to openly admit your love for both, and your honest loyalty to them all? For all you know, you may end up in a much happier stance then you originally were, hiding away your emotions and cheating not only one of these two fine companies… but also your heart?
Or do you truly not love NISA as you do Atlus? By which, I don’t mean, that you have the exact same love… Goodness never, no two love are the same, no matter their intensity or importance. But do you not love them both either way?
And also, I don’t believe companies are confined by the social views of rights and wrongs that has been handed down through the many generation and whose idea of monogamy who was, perhaps not born of but certainly reinforced by, the Christian and Catholic religion, of which neither of these companies follow for the simple fact that if they would, they most certainly would alienate their many employees?
And so, I present to you, here lies a third answer. Rather then pull NISA’s or ATLUS’s red cord of love. Why not, in each of your hands, pull them both?
I’ve not really kept up with the series he… it comes from. But what’s the price for the contract? A soul?
If so, I once bought someone’s soul in High School in exchange for some of my food.
And judging from the little critter’s response at your own worries, a wish certainly wouldn’t hurt, that is, if he doesn’t mind a pre-bartered soul.
The soul is the starting price for the wish, but it doesn’t end there. In due time it may also cost your friends and family, your life and even your very humanity. He is not to be trusted.
What about Ignition can he hang out with Atlus and NISA. He doesn’t have any friends. lol
Sadly no, Ignition is just going to have to stay out in the rain as it peers through a large window as Atlus, NISA, and XSeed share a couple of beers and pizza in a comfortable bar.
lol That’s the joke
You can take Saculogir’s heart back by announcing Disgaea 4 with premium package. (at least you can take my heart).
Disgaea 4 was announced long ago. And this is NISA we’re talking about, I’d be surprised if there wasn’t a premium package!
Keep up the good work, you guys.
If there ends up being a premium package, and said premium package contains a Fuka Prinny hat, then I can die happy. XD
Yes thats right! Atlus is cool and all, but I will follow always NISA
TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH AND BEYOND!
So, if ever, let’s say, NISA is taken over by the borg and subsequently annihilated by the Daleks.
Would you then jump into the fire and let yourself be exterminated?
It wouldn’t be neccesary! I’d pull a Picard and pull NISA right out of assimilation! And I’ll Giga Drill the Daleks into another dimension!
The power of my love would protect NISA from all harm!
Why did you have to say that? Now my inner geek is trying to figure out who would win if the Borg fought the Daleks.
Stay tuned =)
My Neptunia is getting closer and closer to my house T.T im looking forward to it
That shipping thing turned into such a mess… I’m really sorry about that!
@NickyD – I know you’re apologizing for NISA, in general, but for some reason, that post made me imagine you, personally, going to the post office with, like a thousand copies of Neptunia.
No lol it’s ok, it started to ship out later (i got it from amazon, but i ordered ar tonelico 3 fron NISA’s store :D), but im from another country anyway, so i always import the games, and well, 2 days more is not much difference when i normally have to wait 2 weeks for it to arrive xD
Oh man Nick, you crack me up. Almost as much here as Neptunia made me laugh.
That’s so mean of you!
You two are basically the same company in my book. :P
I’m not in the habit of feeling affection for companies that exist first and foremost to create profit.
Uhm so like our Valentines Day email that people complained to the moon about? This feint plan was unveiled eons ago.
So yeah. I’m taking this as a sideways confirmation of Catherine.
P2:IS is already pretty much a lock, but I wish Atlus’d show a little love to some of the titles outside their usual repertoire that probably don’t have a chance of coming Stateside. Speaking of titles whose publisher says they have no U.S. plans for, what about Solatorobo? Atlus brought the original Tail Concerto over, after all…
It’s very similar in style to their valentine’s day message. Same background, very similar text font. Only difference is a drop shadow. I had a look in the message source and image’s XMP metadata, but couldn’t see any sign of hidden messages.
All that aside, this seems rather promising. I mean the background color alone seems a bit too obvious an indicator.
The drop shadow is ours, hahaha. That’s just how we format our pictures. :p
I mean the text drop shadow. It’s there in this email, but not on the valentines day one. I doubt there’s any significance in it though.
OH! Whoops, haha.
Oh man I better check mt e-mail. lol Don’t worry though Atlus I still like you. I know you won’t fail us and give us PERSONA 2 PSP and Catherine and I’m patiently waiting. No need to freak out and bash a great company. I have faith.
I still like you, Atlus. I appreciate the games you localized. :)
I love Atlus… so much!
Yea…the backlash was pretty bad considering the statement was standard PR speak. I guess people took the words of “no plans at this time” as if Bamco said it in regards to Tales.
I guess there are a lot of people furious at Atlus because of this and the fact they have slowed down localizing niche Japanese RPGs that haven’t been picked up already. They’re weren’t much of a prolific publisher back in the day (before PS1 era). I have no problems if they slowed down, but stayed afloat.
I was skeptical it was Catherine untill i saw this:
That pink background is absolutely Catherine, and now Atlus has earned 5million troll points… >.>
It’s entirely possible that they just used the background so that the connection to the Catherine announcement would be easier to make. I’m fairly certain this isn’t a tease.
I think this a “teaser” for sure. the earlier denials and statement that ” Catherine is a JApan only game” was Atlus US trolling us.
Why on earth would they just “troll” us like that? It’s nothing but bad PR.
Honestly i dont know. I can only guess that either the PR rep was misquoted, or Atlus is truely run by the demons that are displayed so frequently in it’s games
Also saying something isn’t coming is actualyl great PR, because you build a “desperation hype”(my words, sure theres no actually technique called this). Your fans become rabid,desperate and even angry. Then you announce it, and your fans are overjoyed. Most of them…
It’s possible that it’s an out-of-context quote. I’ll definitely be changing my stance on this if it turns out there was some error in the original story.
But then you’ve also got all the people peeved at the way the whole announcement was done. Even if nothing was taken out of context, though, “not at this time” is very different from “no”. But then again, you still don’t turn your back on a statement like that within the space of a single day.
I thought that too. So there’s other crazy conspiracist out there huh? Good, I can’t wait for Atlus to prove us right. :D Just stay calm in the mean time.
Aaaww, I can’t stay mad at you, Atlus! You made Rockin’ Kats!
OMFG OMFG OMFG
I wouldn’t freak out just yet, if I were you.
That’s the most T’s I’ve ever seen in one post. lol
I counted 105. (Highlight the page to see beyond #… I’m not going to count again.)
Copy, past into notepad++ and see the number of characters? It isnt that difficult to count????
That ruins the fun. Please don’t ask why I found it fun to do it the manual way.
He is a MASTER OF COUNTING!
No… No he’s not. He’s a Master of DAY 1 BABEH!!!!1
He just happens to be good at counting. That’s all. Probably from counting the money he’s going to spend as well as counting down how many days until his Day 1 games comes up.
But he’s been counting for 19 years, so he has obviously mastered it! In fact, can one be blamed if his manner of counting evolves or even innovates?
What would I do without you. lol
BOOYAH ATLUS FAITHFUL 4 LIFE
I knew it was gonna get localized all along, bitches.
I might be beating a dead horse here, but this doesn’t look like a confirmation to me. They said earlier that they’re not going to do it. Business decisions don’t get made in a day.
I dont think them saying to a site that “theyre not going to do it” is confirmation either…if they were really going to bring the game out, would they have announced it to the site that reported that story exclusively or send it out to their atlus faithful first and a PR to multiple sites…
It’s certainly a lot more concrete than an email reading “Do you still like us?”
An e-mail with the colour scheme that the game is known for. Why would they add fuel to the fire by teasing fans further if they weren’t going to bring it over? Atlus are a very smart company, both development-wise and marketing-wise.
That’s true. I’m still not holding my breath, though. A pleasant surprise would be nice.
@PurpleDoom – you’re honestly going to still be surprised when they make it official, after this? I mean, why even send this out otherwise? Hell, why even make a 360 version of a game you’re going to keep Japanese only, especially when sales of that version were 1/7th the sales of the PS3 version and when your established fanbase has shown that they are mostly PS3 owners? There are times when you can’t legally talk about something you’re working on. When the i’s haven’t been dotted and the t’s haven’t been crossed and you just can’t speak about it in public. Who knows if the beefjack thing wasn’t a mistranslation of a no comment? From the very beginning, it’s been obvious Catherine was getting a Western release. I really am surprised to see so many people putting stock in a website that has never reported anything else of note before.
@Charles: My stance has changed considerably since I started posting on this thread. For some reason it never occurred to me that they wouldn’t send out this e-mail unless they were teasing something until someone pointed it out. I promptly hit myself.
I don’t buy the 360 argument, though. Plenty of games are 360 exclusives in Japan (just ask the Cave fans) and they don’t get localized. Sort of how like the PSP is a niche market here, the 360 is a niche market there.
I dont know, even if they have “plans to localize it” but have not announced it, then I can easily see that they would have issued the same response since they havent officially announced it. Weve seen this happen with many games…big name even.
I agree. They didn’t even say weren’t going to do it. They said that they had “no plans” to do it. That’s always been publisher code for “We’ll do it later if we think we can make money”.
Yeah, that is true. But I don’t think they would go from “we’ll do it later if we can make money” to “we’ll do it now!” in just a day.
I expect they thought some time ago that it would be profitable to localize, and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it was well underway already.
I agree the timing is odd coming so soon after the “no plans” statement, but that is how companies work. They have no plans, until suddenly one of the higher-ups announces plans.
As I said in another post, if there was some sort of error in the original story or if the rep was misinformed or just didn’t know my stance would change completely. The whole situation is a mess now, though, since you’ve got this rep saying “Not for now we aren’t” and this e-mail heavily implying “Yes, we’re doing it now.”
It’s also possible that news story was fake or old. Imagine how many hits Beefjack must have got from it.
We’ll just have to wait for a confirmation from Atlus.
It’s PR. They have to lie sometimes. Not every company can be like NISA.
Why not just dodge the question? That both builds hype since fans think it might come over and it avoids the mass anger/confusion that resulted from this.
@mirumu Yeah, Im quite sure it is well underway as well.
That horse is actually getting squishy, man.
The poor thing. XD
I have a habit of assuming people haven’t read every comment, so I tend to repeat a lot of points I’ve already made before. Sorry if it ever gets irritating.
Eh, it’s okay. I’m not exactly known for my subtly either.
hell yea we love u ^^
Atlus, I could never stay mad at you.
Yes Atlus, I love you. And I will love you even more if you localize Catherine. Please…..?
If you don’t localise it? Then no, I do not like you Atlus. Not one bit. Jerks.
Hahah… finally, is this the comeback i’ve been waiting for? I think they even noticed what has been going on, it started with the let’s play radiant story video they were talking about with twitter (been a while).
COME ON ATLUS, I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!
Speaking of Radiant Historia. Anybody else enjoying it?
I’ve only played a small bit but I’m really liking it so far. I’ve especially noticed the quality of Yoko Shimomura’s music.
Great game, i must say, Atlus still has his magical touch for RPGs, im loving it, and the difficult is just perfect, is hard but not too hard but still hard, i love it
I don’t to be honest. The extreme lack of good games is the main reason, but I was very disappointed that they released Persona 3 and assured us that they wouldn’t be localizing FES, only to release it soon after. Eight months. Shows how much they cared about their fanbase.
They release a few good games here and there and the Shin Megami Tensei series is great, but I’m no longer one of the Atlus faithful like I once was.
Well you have to think about it first, when FES was released in Japan it was pretty much the same price as the original Persona 3 and was just sold as an expansion pack. Over here though Atlus released it with the original Persona 3 quest for only $30, I would say that shows that they really do care very much for their fanbase. Also while you may not have liked their previous releases the majority ofthem have been warmly received by not only reviewers, but also their fans.
It’s too bad that you’re no longer a fan of theirs, but it’s your choice so that’s good for you.
Actually, Japan had the two options, not just the append disc as you are implying. You could buy Persona 3 FES with both Persona 3 and the extra content together or you could buy the append disc which was only the extra content but you had to already have Persona 3.
We may have received Persona 3 FES for $39.99, but how much of a fanbase do you think the series has? Most everyone who is a fan already picked up Persona 3 at launch. FES was there for Atlus to cash in a second time on the same fans who bought Persona 3.
That’s like Namco Bandai announcing that they’re delaying God Eater’s US release to include both God Eater and God Eater Burst. That delay has been quite some time ago, so you know Atlus had to already be working on the localization of FES during the release of Persona 3.
If God Eater was released then God Eater Burst it wouldn’t matter, as that’s something you expect from a Monster Hunter type game. You know extra monsters will be added, etc. But when you’re told that extra content isn’t going to be added along with the US version, something you’d never expect to just get a seperate release, and then they do it, it pisses you off quite a bit.
Atlus has “previously” had great releases, no denying that. They also still have good releases, but their good releases are much more infrequent than they used to be because now catering to different audiences with games like 101 party mega mix or Naruto just because they know they’ll sell more while being next to nothing to localize.
Let’s just hope the Cursed Crusade is good and Atlus isn’t just releasing it for being similar looking to a good game to gain more profit. They’ve done this before haven’t they(Demon’s Souls?) *cough*Hoshigami*cough.* Hoshigami is a decent game if you look past every single one of its glaring flaws.
The FES situation was always interesting to me and it made me wonder if Persona 3 had been a current generation game, would FES have just been a DLC pack?
LOVE IS OVER, ATLUS
(Haha, Catherine joke)
*Starts playing the world’s smallest violin with his fingertips.*
You are tearing me apart, Atlus!!
ALSO I MADE THIS JUST FOR YOU!!!
I’m bored lol but I still have faith in Atlus. Always take advantage of a joke though. :)
lol, hilarious picture
Nah, I’ve done better. Really it’s Vincent’s facial expression that makes it. Thanks for the compliment. :)
… Gungnir? Blaze Union?
Nah, it’s obviously Catherine, but still.
With that pink color scheme and vaguely creepy undertone it’s OBVIOUS that it’s Yggdra Unison.
I would never cheat on you, Atlus.
Please don’t murder me in my dreams~ *wink wink* *nudge nudge*
By which you mean. Please do murder us in our dreams, just like we desired to be killed repeatedly in Boletaria.
Yes, ruined your bit of subtlety there, very sorry.
To all those people claiming it’s a troll because Atlus said they weren’t localizing Catherine…keep in mind that source was an Atlus RP rep who is under a NDA…he legally can’t say otherwise…
In most situations they would have dodged the question or said something along the lines of “we can’t say anything at this time”, at least from what I’ve seen.
Not always, hell Tales of Graces F was denied not even a month before it’s announcement. Some NDAs actually have you deny it for some reason, still not sure why but I have seen one for a fact.
That was another example of “not at this time”, and it’s possible they could have changed within that month. It would be something of a foolhardy business decision to change within a day, though, which is why I’m so skeptical. The statement regarding Graces f was also changed to the more ambiguous Tales series soon after its initial posting, so it’s possible that someone just screwed up.
I’ll take your word for it, though.
What, changed within a day or month, if Tales of Graces F is coming soon…then Namco Bandai would surely have been working on it well in advance of a month before 2.2.2011…
Actually it is not lying to say they have no plans at this time…they hadnt announced the title officially so officially speaking there are no announced plans, lol.
I will just believe all the retail listings for the title coming in June and ignore the PR response.
Out of the possibilities I listed in my post, I think the most likely scenario is that whoever posted the initial statement had screwed up. You’re probably right, although we can’t know for sure since all they did was confirm the game and give us the logo. Sometimes announcements are made not far into the localization process at all (Record of Agarest War Zero, for example.)
“Coming Soon” is also an infamously ambiguous statement. It could mean anything.
@PurpleDoom Well Atlus last announced game, Radiant Historia was announced within 3 months of release…and at, I guess the halfway or so mark of localization if I remember the article posted here, so, if they are truly bringing it out, and that site showing a retail listing is true for June, and Atlus continues announcing titles in the midst of midpoint or so of localization, we could anticipate an announcement…next month (and assuming this email ties into the Valentines Day email, and occurs at 1 week intervals…then next week…)
I think coming soon for NB is truly coming soon. If it could mean anything, then NB would have used coming soon for the other titles they announced on that same day…(Ridge Racer Unbounded, Inversion, Gundam, etc, right?)
Companies don’t always announce things at the same point in the localization process – just because Radiant Historia was announced about halfway through localization doesn’t mean Catherine would be. Retail listings before official announcements are usually complete ballpark guesses – if they’re on the mark, it’s because they got lucky, and I wouldn’t use that as a temporary date.
A vast majority of coming soon’s that I’ve seen have been used basically the same way as “Release Date TBA”.
@PurpleDoom Why wouldnt it? I would think Atlus would repeat the same process they established with their most recent release, and announce it at the halfway point. Companies history often repeats itself…Overclocked seems to be getting the same sort of treatment, images and onslaught of information around the ~3month mark to release
We are having a fight ever since you decided to skip Luminous Arc 3. I’m sure you didn’t even notice! You never pay attention to me! *sobs*
You don’t ever ask me about *MY* feelings anymore!
And when was the last time Atlus invited us to dinner or told us we looked good? Huh!?
For all we know Atlus is sleeping around on us.
And whenever Atlus stays out late to work, they never answer their phone!
Then when I ask why, they say they were ‘working on Persona 5′!
BUT I HAVEN’T SEEN ANY PROOF OF THAT!
I WON’T FORGIVE YOU UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE IT, ATLUS!
i dont get it whats going on?
They are piggybacking off of their V-Day Email with this email in the same design leading people to believe there is a Catherine announcement incoming.
The corollary is that people have been in extreme rage mode for the past few days after an unknown press site wrote an article claiming that an Atlus PR rep stated that “Catherine is a Japan-only game and there are no plans for a NA release at this time. Sorry about that!”
My apologies, I don’t subscribe to their news letter-
Can someone please explain this to me?
Earlier in the day, there was an article on a website called beefjack.com claiming that an Atlus rep said that Catherine would not be getting localized. A lot of people got pissed off. Atlus then sent out this e-mail, possibly as a tease.
So, it’s simply a matter of asking whether this is in all seriousness, or if it’s a matter of appeasing some cry-babies…
Thank you for the help.
you guys keep saying “a lot of people” but i only see 12 comments to that article.
Go to forums, and other websites, and social networking sites…and see topics on the isshu…
Oh my god!! I just checked my email and then rushed to Siliconera to see if there was an update.
Welcome back to the community. :D
My computer died, so it’s nice to finally be back. TwT
Welp, I think we can all guess what this is about.
If anything Atlus is likely weary of the no-win situation they’d likely face with a Western release. Of having to censor themselves which will only upset their fans.
Deus Ex Machina: @playstation #SCEA, localizing #Catherine
I have to admit I have no idea what you’re trying to communicate. Elaborate, please.
Seems to me he’s saying that Catherine likely would flop if it came over, or that they might be forced to censor it (I don’t think so), to the displeasure of everyone.
Well if flop is defined as sell less than 500K units in one year…then he is probably right. Actually if its multiplatform then it could sell around that number.
I just wonder if the games gameplay, its short experience, and style will appeal to people who havent been following the game since day 1.
Ah, so he’s just wrong then.
Localize Catherine and we’ll see….
Certainly seems like a Catherine localization announcement. Reaction to fanboy bitching or not, this seems to be in line with Catherine’s brand of mind-screw seduction. That and it’s pink.
Granted, while I never didn’t like you Atlus, I’ll like you even more if you localize Persona 2 Portable as well…
We probably won’t be hearing anything about that until right around or after the Japanese release. That said, keep the faith alive!
They’re teasing a game announcement. Maybe multiple, but definitely one at least. This isn’t a company reaction to fans; it’s the exact same format as the Valentine’s Day letter. They’re planning something. Maybe it’s the Catherine announcement. Either way, I know it’s got to be something. Atlus wouldn’t be doing this otherwise.
Also, I haven’t gotten this email yet. Odd.
It seems like some people are getting it later than others.
Well they have no other games on the powerful consoles on the release slate (apart from that X360 title in the summer and Overclocked), so they have to announce something soon…
Atlus I love you.
Really I love you guys who focus on and specialized in Japanese games like what you put out. You guys are amazing. Giant props to all of you.
NOT to sound like an @ss but don’t forget XSEED :D They’ve quickly become one of my fav publishers now.
I love XSEED. Fantastic limited editions and translations.
Oh yes! XSEED, I forgot about them. I’m still wanting to get Ragnarok Online DS since they put that out some time ago.
I think Wild Arms XF is the only Xseed title Ive ever bought.
Buy wild arms 5, knowing you, you will probably like it, specially the main character
He doesn’t have a PS2. Dean does seem to be the type of character he would like though.
Yeah, i didnt liked Dean too much, i mean, compared to WA’s main characters from before he was pretty weak, but i did like some stuff from him (without counting that the graphics of that game are great, and made Dean look pretty stylish) well, does he have a ps3 slim or fatty? If he has the fatty he could play it.
I’m a bit sad, I haven’t received this Email yet.
(I’m not even going to get started on how ridiculous this is, I’m pretty sure others have covered that long before I got here).
I haven’t received it either :( There’s so much stuff in this discussion thread…
Me either. :P
I blame Gmail.
So Catherine is coming ? :p It would be nice :) At least in US Atlus please, I don’t give a f*** if the game is not localized in Europe ! LOL
I think you’ve been hanging out with Sawada too MUCH. His love for CONUS has started to rub off on you. lol
You have no idea how dirty that last sentence came off to me.
I have the weirdest feeling that if Catherine does come it won’t really sell all that well.
Anyway, I’m just happy to have Radiant Historia at the moment.
What is sell well? I do not think it will get Demon’s Souls level of sales.
I agree that it’s a bit early to be questioning if it will sell well, since it all comes down to what Atlus thinks it will do – if they think it’ll sell poorly, they’ll act accordingly.
Will it do Call of Duty numbers? No, of course not. Will it sell a few hundred thousand copies for them? Easily. If you look at the sales projections Atlus made for their previous PS3 games, they never made unrealistic projections, and then were actually surprised by how well they sold. I can see this easily selling 200k on PS3 and maybe 75K (maybe even as high as 100k) on 360 and, for Atlus, as they’re not a huge company, that would probably be pretty good.
Whoa… Catharine was suppose to be one of my big titles for this year… I’ve been looking forward to it since I saw the first trailer.
If they don’t localize it I’ll actually be hurt.
This e-mail doesn’t seem to be pointing to much else, the only weird thing is that statement from earlier…
I think fan reaction is pretty normal though. People like to get what they want, if they do not get it, they are not going to be happy. The game industry like most other businesses, people vote with their pockets it’s natural for Atlus to be concerned when money is on the line. I don’t see how people getting off and calling others cry babies, if they don’t get what they want and refuse to spend money on further Atlus games, that’s their right, who are we to judge others actions especially during a recession where 64 bucks is quite a bit of change. I hope people are not expecting others to be altruistic towards a company where they buy games just to support them (in this case Atlus). Personally it’s pretty natural to not support a company if they are not localizing the stuff you want. Some times these companies (not necessarily Atlus) seem to forget who keeps them afloat. That said, the Atlus PR should have simply said no comment on the catherine question.
Bottom line, I can see why people would boycott a company if they do not bring over certain games they want, especially considering the cost of supporting the said company (in the US 60 + tax usd) could easily feed a average joe for a week. I’m not for boycotting Atlus though can’t say they are my favorite company at the moment (NIS for Ar tonelico and Sega for Yakuza 4 is for the moment). I can understand why others want to, why spend 60+ dollars propping up a company that in their eyes, does not give them what they want?
They can’t always give people what they want, though, even if they want to deliver. Sometimes the apparent lack of a profitable market prevents localizations from occurring (like with Tales the past couple years), sometimes it’s company policy (like with SCEA for Record of Agarest War), sometimes it’s other things. These companies try hard to deliver fans the content they want, and I feel it’s something of a disservice to them to say you’re boycotting them because they can’t do one game.
Get out of here with your logic and reason, good sir.
I hardly need to say this but this world cares for one thing more then others, results, you can come up with a dozen valid reasons for them not to localize something but the average joe is not going to care, they will see that it is not localized, the end, they do not care about reasons, only results.
Come on youre bringing up confusing company policy (Record of Agarest War vs Yakuza 3) again…
We don’t know with Arcana Heart 3, but RoAW was almost certainly DDL because of that Sony policy. That’s another matter, though, and the point I made in my post still stands.
And Yazuka 3 was somehow immune to this policy?! There is still no tangible proof of this policy being in place, so…
It’s not like there’s never been exceptions to policy, you know. SEGA also has a lot more room to strong-arm with them than a small publisher like Aksys would.
There’s quite a bit of evidence pointing to this policy existing, even if there’s no concrete information.
- Games with no dub sometimes appear as downloads, but never as discs, with the sole exception of Yakuza 3.
- Aksys’ games that do have dubs got disc releases on PS3, hinting that they would do them if possible.
- Aksys said they couldn’t talk about why Agarest was PSN only, but that it was for “matters beyond their control”.
And again, that wasn’t even the main point of my post, just a detail.
Evidence could point to a potential policy however everytime one uses the evidence, they have to resort to establishing all of these additional caveats to its lack of strict enforcement the same as the “late-port” policy that people bring up.
For all we know, they could have had technical issues with making it in time to see it get a disc based released on the PS3 and resorted to just putting it on the DDL for the sake of avoiding recasting the discs or “others issues beyond their control” and not a policy one and not having to delay the release of the game…
I honestly cant remember the original point of the post, lol, its early.
It was initially announced for the PSN, though. There were never any announced plans to a disc version at all, so I don’t think it was a technical issue.
To sum up the original post: Companies would like to give you everything they can, but sometimes they can’t, and it’s pretty silly to get in a fuss over it.
People really buy games just to support a company? I buy games that I like regardless of the company. Surely no one has been buying every single Atlus game…
I don’t recall ever saying that. My point is people’s loyalty lies not with companies but on products. How many people despise walmart? many, yet how many people go to walmart stores? Enough to make walmart the largest company in the world beating out even royal shell. The point is that people like to get what they want. If another company localizes Cathrine, how many people do you think will refuse to buy it just because its not localized by atlus?
I don’t get the whole ‘the poor corporation.. how dare people do anything but lavish praise and money on them’ thing either. It seems as silly as the vitriolic tirades.
It’s good to see that they’re confirming what should have been obvious to most people.
However, I can understand fan backlash. I’ve been a part of it, myself, a few times, and I don’t have any regrets. When people like something, when they feel passionately about it, they get attached to it. They can feel betrayed when you tell them that they’re not getting what they have grown accustomed to or if they see someone else getting something that they aren’t.
When certain companies (in fact, it doesn’t even have to be a company. It could be a film director or a band or a writer) develop a following, it becomes their responsibility to let that following know they are appreciated. When they don’t, that following can turn on them. Happens all the time.
If people honestly think that Demon’s Souls and 3D Dot Game Heroes didn’t sell as well as they did because Atlus have a following, then they’re deluding themselves. I can guarantee you that if SCEA had released Demon’s Souls, instead of Atlus, it only would’ve done White Knight Chronicles numbers. For many of us, we saw Atlus + PS3 and it equaled sale, after how much support they gave the PS2. Period.
I was never part of the Atlus backlash, however, as while I may not be interested in any of their more Western fare, as long as they kept with the Japanese PS3 games, I’m happy. The article, however, claiming that Atlus was not going to localize Catherine was probably the worst thing that could have happened to them, what with a good portion of their fanbase convinced that they had “sold out” already. For some, it was all the proof they needed that Atlus had abandoned them.
It is unfortunate that they have to resort to this, but when you have fans, if you wish to keep them as consumers, then you have to constantly assure them that you’re still on their side.
If only they release Endless Frontier Exceed outside Japan, then yes, I would like them more.
yes also this ^^
Same here! Why can’t they just put us out of our misery and tell us whether they’re going to release it or not as I need my Kaguya and Saya fix in English, Damnit!
Indeed, this would be a nice announcement. :O
well i still love them :D
and will even love them more once Catherine get’s a western release as well as games like Persona 5, New Shin Megami Tensei(same lines as Digital Devil Saga and Nocturne)
I’m wondering what that Shin Megami Tensei 3DS title is. Main series is a great line of fantastic RPGs.
I’d still love it if it was just a port of Strange Journey, even.
I thought the SMT 3DS title was Overclocked…the initial release list given around E3 only mentioned one SMT 3DS title
Actually, no, there were three. Devil Survivor Overclocked is the only one that’s been given a formal reveal, but we do know for a fact that there is also a main-series game and a Persona game in development for the 3DS – if you have a basic understanding of Japanese and browse through the 3DS software page on Nintendo’s Japanese website, you’ll eventually find, as well as Devil Survivor, listings for “Shin Megami Tensei series” and “Persona series”.
Wow no P2P love?
Excited for Catherine, but way more excited for P2IS PSP ;)
ohh i forgot about that :P
also remake of Eternal Punishment please :D
Its amazing how much of a wall the comments have these little teasers to the tsuntsun Atlus generate, but yes I still like you as long you don’t do a Lobotomy to Catherine and just add a “super easy difficulty”, besides you never did good doing mainstream why change the formula >_>.
I doubt they’re going to lobotomize it completely, just make the difficulties more in-line with people’s expectations. Hard will be hard and easy will be easy.
Hmm. i didn’t know this was so serious….
Atlus is tsundere! :D
Don’t worry I love tsundere
Solidus Snake still wants to know who the hell beefjack.com is and why everyone is sh*tting so many copious amounts of bricks over this vague one-liner to some random-ass website that I’ve never even heard of.
I actually spent a good part of the day — well, that small part that wasn’t devoted to shotgunning mutants into spiky walls (Bulletstorm FTW) thinking what a classy site Siliconera is for not jumping on this. Seeing what a cluster these comments are, they were clearly right to avoid the issue.
I still like you Atlus, it’s ok. *pats head*
Like Spence said in a comment above, the whole “nothing to announce at this time…” thing is so common, it’s really misleading to post it. I mean, look at what happens everytime someone asks Nintendo about Last Story and they say the same. :/
Thanks for the kind words. :)
Bulletstorm!!! The four-barelled-shotgun (Boneduster) is my favorite weapon in that game. Oh, and let’s not forget Waggleton P. Tallykicker!
Sorry if I got out of topic. Okay, go on.
Best robot dinosaur EVER!! Boneduster is great fo sure, especially when you take advantage of the pump action skillshot! I like the Penetrator and Screamer a lot too.
Yeah I am too shocked at the response of people to that one-liner…its as if this is their first encounter ever seeing a company issue this sort of response to a title that has yet to be officially revealed…with people going as far as to immediately order and import it because they took it as confirmation that it is never coming out…
I don’t think I can ever bring myself to hate a game company, because of the hard work that I know they put into their games… and even then, there’s still the hard work that I don’t know about.
So it’s okay, Atlus. I don’t care if you hurt me, but please continue doing what you do best. :’)
(Wow, I am totally the domestically abused wife of video gaming.)
You know video gaming only does that because it loves us so much, right?
I’m still tending to trauma I received from Prinny 2.
These “cry-babies” are doing their part to get games localized. The more people Atlus/Namco hear from, the more interested they will be in porting their fabulous games. It’s simply a way of internet ‘protest’ that shows these fine companies that they do in fact have devoted fans over-seas. I love Atlus to death; therefore, I will reply to their question with an enthusiastic yes and hope for the best.
On a side not; I agree that people should not use harsh words w/ atlus, nor should they whine. Polite messages will do the same job twice as well.
I can´t understand why developers refuse to localize their games wich has a high demand in western countries such as Tales of., Disaster Report or this Catherine.
On the other hand, i find Catherine pretty suitable for western audience.
I think i know the answer: Lazyness
If it doesn’t get localized, it won’t be on account of laziness, I can tell you that. Atlus have localized every single in-house game for a long time, if that trend stops here it was almost certainly something else keeping them from doing it.
Every single in-house game?!? You’d better check yr sources…
Exhibit A: Growlanser
Growlanser isn’t in-house.
If yr talking about Career Soft, it is a wholly owned subsidiary of Atlus… Atlus has always handled the publishing duty of the series in Japan. I think that qualifies it as an in-house series of games.
Exhibit B: Princess Crown
Well past history shows that there is not high demand in western countries for Tales of games…or at least high enough demand for the companys business plans. Remember, the vocal internet majority opinion do not always speak with their dollars, so (just look at Tales of Graces F and how many people said they wont be buying it). I cant imagine Disaster Report is that known, and how does Catherine have high demand, a lot of people do not know of its existence.
I think the answer here lines in, Atlus has deemed it to not be the time to discuss the title and didnt say that it is not coming.
You know, whenever you post something thoughtful and reasonable it kind of creeps me out. Is that “Day 1, baby!” thing just a character you play?
He has different personalities, they change from day to day, or from a week to another
Honestly, the fact that he CAN be vaguely intelligent almost makes the whole thing worse. Now we know that this guy can act like a semi-normal human being once in a while. So why do we have to put up with his annoying antics most other times? Clearly he’s able to control himself, so the fact that he doesn’t and just continues to act like a pain kind of proves that he’s just an annoying brat who doesn’t care how much his behavior bothers everyone else.
In other words, he’s not stupid, he’s just a pain in the ass.
What? I can assure you that if this game were announced in this article, I would so be there on day 1 baby!!!!!!!!! The exuberant feeling of getting an interestingly phenomenally epically awesome game is just so exciting that I always get so caught up in them.
Yes, people keep saying that Tales has a low demand in the West. Some form of advertising might help though. I mean, they might get more sales if people actually knew the games exist.
That message looks very depressing.
I don’t understand this situation….
Catherine announcement in 5…
I just saw this in my inbox and squealed a little.
I told you having it rigged so you get an electrical shock every time you check an e-mail was a bad thing.
I love Atlus, I always have. It’s just that instead of localizing stuff from Atlus JP or Spike, whatever, they’re spending time developing WRPG’s and helping Tomy with bad Naruto games. On top of that comes the indy stuff and the Sports Remix bullshit. If they had said beforehand that they would take a break from localizing games, I’m perfectly sure none of the drama would have occured. Drama occurs each time a new Spike/Atlus or Robot Taisen game gets announced/released in Japan. Fans gets their hopes up, only to be dissapointed.
Not really an atlus fan to begin with so nothing of value was lost.
Ok i was probably under a rock or something but could please someone fill me in on what happened here??What made them sent this email?
There was an article going around claiming an Atlus rep said that Catherine was not going to be localized, which, in turn, pissed off a lot of people. Atlus sent out this email, but didn’t explicitly deny the article’s truth, so we’re pretty much just wondering whether Catherine is getting localized or not (this e-mail points to yes, though).
Regardless of Catherine’s localization (i was never interested personally) this whole thing shows how fast in today’s internet age people are changing their opinions about something.At one minute you are a God the next you are crucified.
If only Catherine appears more RPG-ish.. Lol lol..
Anyway, I think the companies had been spoiling us too much… Everything is about me me me and me… Back in the days when the market is younger and the sky is blue.. Everybody just do whatever they like and the consumer just buy it..
So, if you like the game you finish it and replay it.. If you do not like it then do whatever you want..There are no youtube for you to show off, tell people how much you dislike the game, or degrade it so on and so forth..
Now, it had become a company’s nightmare when they search their products online… There are so many nasty things up there.. Unless you are zen enuff not to care..
But, no, you cannot not care because its all about the sales. You still have to see what is happening out there. Worst still if ONE person say its not good.. Others follow to stomp on you. Either for fun or they are not strong willed enough to have their own opinions. What sort of damage control can you do? It just spreads like fire..
Therefore, some companies starts to listen while some try to follow what other did in order to avoid discontent.. It becomes like a poison before they knew it.. They care too much and are too scared to explore the possibilities..Hence limits their imaginations and the list goes on…
On top of that, of all things, its those obnoxious hardcore that got their voice heard.. And those so called hard cores on the net are morons who are starting to dictate the trend.. They want to control how everyone thinks.. They start cyber bully all the fans.. Do whatever they can to sabotage everyone’s experience..
And the sad thing is, the change that they want are bullshit.. All they want is something the same with different designs as long as its heart pumping, low frame rate or whatever nonsense they can spew..Trying to sound professional and all.. Making everyone forget one important thing.. Human are not perfect!!! And games with subtle messages are beautiful. It makes you think..
So there you go, thank you for destroying for others who still remembers.. We became the minorities.. And there are just loads of shooting and western theme games all over the place. You’d wonder where had the fantasy and fairy tales been to?
YES!!!! Yes. Yes. Yes. God, I defend you guys in every post I make!!! I love you! You’re my favourite game studio, bar none!! I’m so sorry. I’m so, so, sorry that you have to suffer like this. ;_;
This thread already has a ton of replies, but I’m just gonna jump in and say…the fact that Atlus responded to this so fast *really* raises my esteem for them. So much better than companies that just leave things hanging forever! (coughxenobladelaststoryetc)
I wanted to respond to them, but there was no way to do so. 8[
Honestly I never thought this wouldn’t be coming. The fact they made a 360 version at all should have been proof enough.
That e-mail was probably just PR control. Maybe they were hoping for a surprise announcement.
Its nice to know they care.
That depends. Atlus, does your team have Sentinel on it?
There is an INCREDIBLE amount of stupid and ignorance in this thread. Staggering.
Holy bleep on a bleep sandwich. 277 comments (and counting)
As soon as I visited Siliconera, saw a pink image, regarding Atlus. Went to email,and THERE IT WAS. That being said I read just about ALL the comments and skimmed some of them.
So, from what I read, beefjack.com (Never heard of it and I’m not the only one) and reported that Atlus wasn’t localizing Catherine, which actually was a misinterpretation regarding Catherine, which the “Fans’ backlashed which was uncalled. So Atlus responded to that misinterpretation with this email.
That’s basically the gist of it, right?
Also to answer Atlus’ question: Of course I do!! :3 Just keep doing what you’re doing.
Even though I just started to play Atlus games (P4 was actually my first Atlus game and it has a very special place in my heart) ,I really enjoy their games. Whether their from SMT series or Persona or just a different game like Radiant Historia*, I love playing them.
But Personally imo localizing or announcing the localization of Catherine is way too soon, considering that it literally just came out like a week ago. This is assuming that Atlus didn’t have plans to localize it at the moment.
Speaking of which, just because there is no plans to localize it NOW, doesn’t mean that they won’t do it all.
OFF TOPIC: About Radiant Historia. has anyone started playing? I have Radiant Historia. I got RH this week, but I haven’t started playing because I’m playing Neptunia at the moment. (Neptunia=love :3) Not to mention I’m backlogged with other games for my PS3, PSP, PS2, AND DS. ;-;
EDIT: 277 to over 379 and counting. @_@
I think the email is separate from the incident, since it is in similar style to the Valentine’s Day email they sent..
I can’t agree or disagree with that.
Even it if wasn’t connected, it’s still fishy given the time frame and the style of email itself.
I hope everything turns all good in the long run.
loooooool this is what happens when you exposed to a game way earlier than expected people get excited over the Japaneses game then just wait for the west to pick it up then get disappointed when they don’
i am a tales fan too and i did comment on the boards alot and i have to say i am gonna buy their game so why not ask for more ^^
It was real? I deleted that email without hesitation. Oops.
With your treatment of Blaze Union and the Super Robot Wars and Growlanser franchises, no :P
I’m still faithful atlus =D
Sooo……. After reading through every single comment in this thread. Well, the only thing I will say about this issue (if you can call it that) is that: I believe in Atlus and I just want what’s best for the company.
I’m not really into those conspiracy theories and such. Atlus is smart and they will what’s best for them….. and the fans.
I don’t feel like speculating because I… well…. if say something I would become a slave of my own words and I will only take sides (if you can call it that) if an official statement or declaration is made ( and by that I mean a true statement not some random declaration from some unknown site. -___-.
I just feel blown away from all this backslash againt Atlus :(
Well, tomorrow’s another day, the sun will rise and blah blah blah.
I will stay stuned for news about the subject and thanks everyone for your opinions! :)
JP Catherine stream.
So many comments D:
While I agree that A LOT of people jumped the gun on what was a questionable source to begin with, it’s nice to see that Atlus really doesn’t like leaving it’s fans in the dark about something.
Atlus to not localize their own first big next gen title as well as multi-platform? As if. There is no doubt in my mind that this game will be localized and the content in the game would easily just gain an M rating (If not censored) from the ESRB considering that it got a Cero C in Japan. This by far, in my honest opinion, is the biggest wild card they have and I know mounds of people who will be buying this game.
Atlus, I do question your email but the first thing I thought last night when I got the email was “Yep, thats the Catherine teaser I have been waiting for.” 2011 will be a great year, and even better with the inclusion of this game. Give it to me by November 2011 and its Day 1 baby. I need this in my collection without having to resort to importing. Just market this properly properly cause there’s only so many sales I can influence. :D
This article sure blew up.
Radiant Historia is enough of a reason for me to like you guys :D
Don’t forget us Atlus USA. Bring this awesome game pro the West!
I just realized, that this reminds me a lot of the Valentine’s day email Atlus sent. Both seem like a shout out to Catherine.
No, never did. You disappoint me, Atlus.
The pink reeks of Catherine.
This really bothered me. I thought Atlus and I were more secure in our relationship without needing to reassure each other in words. I think we need to reevaluate some things and, yes Atlus, I may need to change our Facebook relationship status.
I have no idea whats going on. I haven’t been online much for the past few days, and noticed that this post has 365 comments @___@
Atlus, after stating that there were “No plans” on releasing Catherine in North America, sent out a teaser email to Atlus Faithful subscribers.
This possibly indicates that they will in fact release it.
Also, Gamestop/EB Games now has Catherine listed in its pre-order database with a release date of July 26 2011.
Suck it up, They are the whiners themselves.
If you cannot act like a big company like Konami, Capcom….etc, then you will never become one of them. Why give a crap about those whiners when you are the one who made something that makes people whine? Just make sure you don’t make the same mistake on your next games. Atlus should appreciate that they have so many fans to support them. Just like one of my friends, he bought so many copies of Atlus games “JUST” to support the company. Atlus is a really good company overall in my perspective, they give satisfying responses to their fans demands. But they’ve made a pretty stupid move by sending this kind of newsletter. YOU NEVER QUESTION THE FANs/GAMERs/BUYERs. In reality we are always right and you are wrong, we buy your games, we keep the company going. It is natural to have people talk crap about you, that makes you another step closer to become a better company, because people actually will care and be disappointed if you f-ed up a game, unlike some other companies that no one ever bothers reviewing it.
So yeah, like I said, good company, good games, but if you cannot handle whiners like other big companies do, I will be looking forward to one after another SMT games for the rest of my life.
Well, the fact the Atlus in Japan has seen huge losses much like NIS and other mid sized gaming companies can’t be a very reassuring thing for their American counterparts.
I say just release more games and see it for themselves thru sales, if people still like them or not starting with Catherine.
I’m kind of a crybaby, I guess. I went fishing for a second opinion immediately after I saw the ‘news’ on BeefJack (that a friend linked to me, never heard of the site before so I was skeptical to begin with). I got this surprisingly prompt response and felt a lot more at ease:
“I would take that with a grain of salt. Atlus wouldn’t suddenly announce a game because someone asked, you know? Also the key words are “at this time” something to keep in mind because at “another time” Atlus may have different news. Of course, I’m not saying Catherine is coming for sure, but just pointing out how the statement is not concrete.
So, I wouldn’t worry yet!
Just wanted to say thank you~ for being my favorite gaming news site<3 I obviously hold your statements at a much higher standard than the rest of the internet.
And about this e-mail…
I was legitimately weirded out, actually. I think I might have said "wtf" out loud, even. When I first saw the colors my heart skipped a beat, but that was quickly changed into confusion. Atlus, I like you, but don't be a creeper. Catherine isn't the only game I want from you, but it's definitely at the top of my list. So long as there's a remote chance of Catherine and you'll keep cranking out more games I love to spend my money on, you've got a business 'partner' in me. <3
atlus hasn’t really changed too drastically though, in my eyes. Sure after getting such high sales from demon’s souls, they’d pick up some games that are similar. They wanna pull in those audiences as well, now that demon’s souls was such as success. It just the logical step to do. That hasn’t stopped them from releasing the usual JRPG titles. And come on ppl. Did you guys really thing Atlus wasn’t gonna give us Catherine after the sales they got overseas and the fact that it is an Atlus made game? The have been even on top of getting all of Atlus developed games over here for quite sometime. That alone should have made people aware of the situation.