Atlus To Publish Conception II In Europe As A Download Title

By Ishaan . January 30, 2014 . 5:27am

This is interesting. Atlus are self-publishing Conception II: Children of the Seven Stars in Europe. The game will be released on Nintendo 3DS and PS Vita as a download-only game.

 

Conception II is slated for release in Europe in Q2, 2014. North America will get the game on  April 15th.


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  • Raspberry

    Better than nothing, looking forward to some breeding!!!

  • chibiwall

    nooooooo ç_ç

  • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

    I told y’all it was coming.
    Better pay up ye naysayers.
    Learn to believe children, BELIEVE!

    • MyBodyIsReady

      Screw that. I’ll just import the U.S version. If company’s want my money they gotta give me a physical copy.

  • karldeck

    Atlus, you motherfuckers I almost completely ruined my chair with that surprise.

  • Yggdr5

    -no retail version
    -no japanese audio track
    -no preorder bonus
    -no purchase

    • karldeck

      Import the us version instead if you want 3 of the 4 things.

      • Guile

        I’m pretty sure 3DS has a region lock.

        • Anewme…Again

          That game will also be released on the Vita…

          • British_Otaku

            Not many of us have a Vita (I doubt my bro would share his)… though it is nice to have that option.

    • BizarreJelly

      What stupid complaints, especially the audio track and preorder bonus ones – the only remotely reasonable one is not having a retail release, that can be shitty but it’s obviously the only option. Atlus don’t have a European branch and I doubt any other company is gonna bring it to Europe.

      You should be happy they’re even providing an option. I’ll import an American copy as I would prefer a box but I’m stoked there will be an option for people unable to do that and if I ultimately couldn’t then I’d settle for a download only.

      • shadowind

        I don’t think they’re stupid complaints. In fact they’re valid ones as far as Atlus are concerned when it comes to the European market.

        • BizarreJelly

          How? They don’t have a European branch, so no boxed version. No Japanese track for any English version, they aren’t just singling out Europeans. No preorder bonuses(lol) for the same reason as no boxed version.

          Atlus totally don’t care about Europe, which is why they’re making a game they’re localizing available there through means available.

    • Destiny13777

      At least you guys are getting Senran Kagura with a Pre-order bonus.

      • Romored

        Not every country is. AFAIK, the bonus only applies in the UK (and just at selected retailers, namely Game.co.uk). But Europe is not just the UK.

    • Fronkhead

      I’ll be disappointed if Atlus doesn’t include a Japanese voice track at least for the European version.

      Given it’s digital only it’s not like they have to cut out a voice track to cut down the size of the game so they don’t have to pay as much as Sony or Nintendo for a higher capacity game card (like with what Rising Star Games did with the EU release of Virtue’s Last Reward), after all.

      But given Atlus games generally don’t include more than one voice track, I guess I shouldn’t get my hopes up…

    • DivinePhoenix69

      Have fun missing out on a potentially fun/enjoyable game then.

    • http://www.thejaystack.com/ Jon Stachewicz

      So are you actually interested in playing the game or just having something cool on your shelf

  • Land of Green Pasture

    because waiting 9 months for ma babies is too mainstream….
    HERE I CU… COME!!

  • NocturneDream

    Does this mean SMT4 was passed over?

    • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

      Nintendo’s handling SMT4

      • Tom_Phoenix

        Do you have a source for that? I’ve seen people claim this and I’m not saying that it’s an unreasonable assumption, but I have yet to see NoE step forward and say that they are publishing the game.

  • D-Omen

    Nice, hopefully they’ll price it accordingly. Not expecting €24,99 like Capcom did with Ace Attorney, but €29,99 sounds about right.

    • Kasuga Yuki

      Hmm most likely will be the same price as P4G though. It’s a quite a “big” game after all.

  • Gregor

    It’s region free on the Vita, so it wasn’t that big of a problem. Better than nothing I guess, but SMT4?

    • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

      Nintendo will probably release it with some sort of promotion to help SMT x FE later

      • Gregor

        It’s that “later” that I don’t like :) SMT x FE is one of those Wii U games that could potentially come out in 2015 or more :)

      • karldeck
        • Armane

          No signs of SMT IV, guess they really have forgotten about it.

        • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

          Give it time. I know it’s tempting to take that schedule as in indication that it isn’t happening, but that isn’t the case. Games have been missing from these schedules before, too.

        • Pdugna

          There have also been titles of games in these lists just to have them, even if those games never actually come out.

  • Sentsuizan_93

    Not sure if I should import for physical or buy it digitally, knowing it’s coming soon. 32GB can only get you so far on Vita.

  • Malon

    No japanese voices ? :(

    • Kasuga Yuki

      No, Atlus has confirmed it. I doubt they will release the Japanese voice as DLC like SS did though. For game like this, no jap voice = no buy. at least for me. But well, P4G english voice was good though, especially the men voice. Maybe this one will also go well…..

    • Mar Mar

      EU only? Or US also? This game has to be in Jap.

    • Jelly

      Can’t help but to mention this. Look at the downvotes of hatred just because of the preference of original voice =)

      • Nightmare637

        more like general annoyance
        when you hear something over and over again, In every article it gets old pretty fast..

        • Crazy_O

          The problem is people who don’t care want to force their opinions on people who do care. Like we will be responsible if a game fails. If we don’t buy the game and don’t say why than it’s bad. Saying why we boycott the game is part of trying to still get publishers to release jp games without thinking it doesn’t sell because of the game itself.

  • ivanchu77

    NO JAPANESE VOICES NO BUY

    • Kasuga Yuki

      Yes, same for me. Wish they will release it as DLC like SS did, doubt it though, like P4G. Hope to hear P4G VAs again in this game. They were good in P4G.

      • British_Otaku

        SS? Soul Sacrifice? Did they charge for that DLC and how much?

        • Guest

          it was free

          • British_Otaku

            Good to know, though I would want that content on the cart day one ideally without the barrier of having to download what they don’t charge for.

            Nice move.

          • Kamakuma

            Free where? It costs me money… xD

          • British_Otaku

            How much money? *Getting tired of asking and may borrow a Vita to check*

          • Kamakuma

            Sorry should have included the price but its just $2. XD

          • British_Otaku

            It’s cool. I would still be annoyed at the price given that 99.999% with dual audio or more options I’ve played give all of them for free understanding that more options in which to play your game is a strong incentive to buy it.

    • https://twitter.com/PinaxPinakes Pinax Pinakes

      For once I’m actually grateful to somebody typing in all caps (caught my eyes). You’ve just saved me from spending money in excitement and getting all sour after that. Thanks!

    • Land of Green Pasture

      Wait? Srsly? No JP Voice? It was a shame though, but still gonna buy it…

    • XiaomuArisu

      Sad
      Instead of
      A)Buying the game and be happy you got it
      or
      B)Learning Japanese
      You complain that they dont use a language most European or Americans dont speak

      • Crazy_O

        I also won’t buy the game without the japanese VO. I did my research on the voices and found almost all of the VA from the original, there are real stars in the lineup like Ishiguro Chihiro who is the voice for the new Vocaloid, or Saori Goto who voiced Moeka from Steins;Gate, Mizuhashi Kaori the voice of Ogiue from Genshiken. Also some really popular VA like Satomi Sato who voiced Ritsu from K-On, Chitanda from Hyouka, Wendy from Fairy Tail and Mariya Ise (Stocking) as well as Mai Kadowaki (Illyasviel from the Fate series).

        I know those voices, I love them. Sadly I’m not as far as being able to understand them completly. But without them 50% of the game is broken for me. If this is not the case for you, great. But you or Atlus won’t decide on how I spend the money I worked for.

        • Kamakuma

          Honestly that’s fair enough no one can tell you how to spend your hard earned cash. And I’ll be frank myself I am the same as well although there’s a few games where I was was happy that they it did eng dub which is extremely rare.

          But this game I mostly want no matter how it’s brought because I remember back on forums, gamefags w/e everyone was going on and criticizing others for saying they wanted it and simply that I localization was never going to happen… Well then Demon gaze and this came out of the wood work and my money is hopping out of my pocket like hot cakes. @-@

          • Crazy_O

            Yea, I’m happy that Demon Gaze is right around the corner and has dual audio. So it’s not like there is something new for my vita in the next months :)

        • Gregor

          It seems your last sentence is difficult to understand in countries where games cost half as much :)

        • XiaomuArisu

          Well have fun missing most RPGXD

          • Crazy_O

            A short time later there is Demon Gaze and I’m still finishing Sorcery Saga.

          • Nightmare637

            key word “most” not all.

    • Anewme…Again
    • DanijoEX ♬ the Cosmic Owl

      Hard to believe you can complain about something as petty as voice audio language…this kind of thing irks me. be glad that you’re getting Conception 2.

      You should complain about something much worse like….a lack of physical release.

      • Kasuga Yuki

        I would gladly buy it if it has japanese voice, whether it will be digital only or not. Like i did with Atelier series.

  • Ric Vazquez

    Atlus does not hate Europe as much as they thinks XD but stil they should hurry up a give you guys SMTIV

  • http://www.tenshi.org.uk/ Angie Winterbottom

    Come on Atlus, you can give us SMT IV as download-only as well! (Please?)

    • Tom_Phoenix

      SMT IV is probably already being handled by a European publisher (whoever they might be). Plus, frankly, I think it would suck if us European fans missed out on the spiffy first print edition.

      • http://www.tenshi.org.uk/ Angie Winterbottom

        I already got myself a copy of the US special edition for the extra gubbins. It was going cheap on Play-Asia. I thought – even if I can’t run the software, I can still enjoy the extras…. :)

      • Fronkhead

        I have suspicions it might be Nintendo, as they had the game at their booth at the Hyper Japan convention last summer though the representative said it was very early code for the EU version (it was pretty buggy).

        Though they had third party games like Ace Attorney 5 there, so I could be completely wrong about that above guess.

  • James Enk

    so is this worth getting guys? i like JRPGs but i have no idea what this game is about any help?

    • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

      Fire Emblem x Persona with better dungeons than persona.

      Made to satisfy

      • James Enk

        what about the setting? is it to ecchi?

        • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

          Not really.

          • James Enk

            cool, thanks for the info

  • British_Otaku

    Definitely getting the Japanese 3DS release or American Vita release unless this goes on sale like Atlus seem to like doing stateside. I haven’t really got the patience to wait longer for a more expensive version which doesn’t have a booklet, box or cartridge.

  • Tom_Phoenix

    It looks like no European publisher was interested in picking this one up. My condolences to my fellow Europeans who wanted a physical release.

    • karldeck

      Or, Atlus is moving with the time and realize that Europe is a big market and tries to publish it them self for once before they ask SEGA to make a subdivision of SEGA Europe for Atlus games.

      • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

        Brazil alone is bigger than the entirety of europe in terms of gaming

      • Michael Richardson

        Right? Hopefully this sells well and convinces Atlus to publish more games in Europe. No territory should have to be without games like SMTIV.

      • Tom_Phoenix

        As nice as that idea might be, I really doubt it’s the case, especially after the deal they’ve made with NIS America.

    • shadowind

      I’m importing mine from Canada via Videogames Plus as obviously Atlus doesn’t want my money if they wouldnt consider a physical release as well as a download one.

  • Michael Richardson

    What’s with the sniping about it being English dub only? Atlus releases are almost always English dub only. I’m sure the U.S. release will be English dub only as well.

    I do find it funny that on the rare occasion Atlus actually stops ignoring Europe and plans to publish something over there, the most upvoted comments are ones saying they won’t buy it because of the exclusion of the Japanese dub. Unless these are bots messing with the voting system again?

    Either way, seems like a good opportunity to tell Atlus: Hey, we exist, and we want the games you publish!

    • Gregor

      No, sorry. It’s not as easy as publishing digitally and without extras a single (and sincerely, not that important, and available elsewhere) game and pretending we have to buy to demonstrate we care. We care, it’s them that should take some risks.

      • Michael Richardson

        *Shrugs* Then don’t complain the next time some amazing looking Atlus game passes your region by entirely. No financially healthy company is going to take a risk if it doesn’t think it’ll be worth its time.

        • Gregor

          Better to waste time by publishing a niche title, available region free and with extras elsewhere, whose performance will not mean absolutely anything? I really hope this is not their way to test the EU market, because it’s really misleading.

          • http://www.tenshi.org.uk/ Angie Winterbottom

            We’re quite used to our Japanese-sub-only niche titles. Project X Zone, One Piece Romance Dawn, etc. We don’t need Atlus to add the expense of a dub to localising if they don’t think it’ll sell big numbers.

          • Gregor

            I haven’t said anything about dubs, did I? I don’t really care about the lack of a japanese dub, neither japanese nor english are mother language to me, so it’s pretty much the same :)

          • http://www.tenshi.org.uk/ Angie Winterbottom

            Sorry, I replied to the wrong post in this thread. >_<

    • Yggdr5

      There already is a strategic partnership between Atlus USA and NISA to publish Atlus USA games in Europe (like P4G and Etrian Odyssey IV). It seems like NISA thought this game will not be doing well enough, either because it’s not all that great or maybe for some other reasons (like the lack of the japanese audio, whicht matters a lot more in Europe than in the US).

      • Michael Richardson

        “(like the lack of the japanese audio, whicht matters a lot more in Europe than in the US)”

        …why do you say this?

        • Yggdr5

          Because that’s the way it is? Here an example:
          “JPGames-Melvin:
          When it was announced that Tales of Symphonia HD was going to have a
          “Dual Audio”-Feature the reactions from fans was very positive. Are you
          planning to include Dual Audio for Tales of Xillia 2?
          Hideo Baba: Actually, I get many requests from german or european fans for japanese voice-overs.”

          • Michael Richardson

            A lot of people care about Japanese dubs in the States as well, myself included. What I’m asking is, what is your justification for saying that it is MORE important for European fans than for American fans?

          • Crazy_O

            Many don’t understand english so why not get the original with professional voiceovers. Look in the thread I replied with a list of the japanese VO used in the original version. If you watch anime, you will recognize the voices.

          • NeptuniasBeard

            Pretty sure the english voiceovers are also done by professionals lol

          • British_Otaku

            Likewise, the cast that the English dub picks up could also be anime/theatre/movie standouts or even more impressive. :P

            Do we even have any footage where we can hear the English dub of this game?

          • Gregor

            Seeing as english is not the mother language for the vast majority of europeans, between two dubs they probably prefer the original one. The english one could feel forced.

    • Nightmare637

      “I do find it funny that on the rare occasion Atlus actually stops ignoring Europe and plans to publish something over there, the most upvoted comments are ones saying they won’t buy it because of the exclusion of the Japanese dub.”
      I know right!
      I came in here expecting some praise that ATLUS is finally paying attention to Europe(seeing how people always got angry at them for not) and it turned into this dub V.S. sub bullshit

    • Kumiko Akimoto

      The only effort they put into their dubs is with persona and some smt games though.

  • zuuum

    I’m utterly confused about this. They can SELF-PUBLISH this game as a download title and we will maybe even get it as soon as America does….But SMT4 is nowhere to be seen?!

    Anyway I’m happy about it…And maybe this is a sign that Atlus does care about Europe after all…

    • Nanaki

      It’s saddening to see how many people simply don’t care about the game for not including Japanese voice-acting.

      • British_Otaku

        I’m not convinced that the original Japanese performance is that strong, that there is that much voice work (there are also unvoiced conversations between other characters in the game and as all RPGs do, tons and tons of text).

        A physical release is a priority above a voice cast without Norio Wakamoto or otherwise an unestablished cast due to it being a completely new game. Likewise, I would be annoyed at Japanese only for the next release if this English cast hit it out of the park.

        A localised anime game unless the English cast suck or don’t exist should go for both.

        • Shippoyasha

          From all the let’s plays and demo demonstrations so far, there is a LOT of spoken dialogue though. I suppose players will have to hope for a good English dub.

          • British_Otaku

            I last played through the demo last year and it didn’t seem to be “that” much (again, there is quite a bit of unvoiced dialogue, anything without the girls and most of what the main character says). I suppose, if you have seen Let’s Plays you probably have a better idea than me though.

            I don’t see much of a reason why the demo won’t be solid at the very least. This is Atlus, not some small start up studio which will take bored and sleepy family members as the primary voice cast.

            Hoping for a good dub and will only miss the Japanese voice over if they screw up that.

        • mewarmo990

          It’s simple: people don’t recognize bad acting in a language they don’t understand.

      • Croix Zapp

        NOooooo..there’s no japanese voice?

        english dub always makes me cringe

        • Zoozbuh

          Oh go away, we’ve all read the same comment a million times before.

          • landlock

            It was the same deal for Atelier despite the voice work being really strong. It’s really sad. :(

      • Kasuga Yuki

        Well, I usually prefer the game with their original language. US games with english and JAP games with japanese. I have played many ps2 JRPG like Star Ocean, Hack GU, Grandia 3 with english VA and i have no problem playing them, coz story and gameplay are more important. But for the game like this, which depends much on the character interaction and choosing a “waifu”, i prefer it in japanese.

    • landlock

      There most likely self-publishing it because no outside publisher is interested in releasing the title in Europe. (Nintendo/Nippon Ichi etc).

  • Alex Sargeant

    Weird! Kind of cool though. I will evaluate in April whether I’d wait for the EU release though. I mean that might actually be a good reason to put off getting it, I probably wont be done with Feb/March’s releases by then.

  • MasterScrub

    Ew how dare those baka gaijins release a game in anything other than the superior language of nipponese!

    • Yggdr5

      I really don’t want to start a eng dub vs. jap dub war here but it would be nice if people like you could at least tolerate other peoples preferences and tastes. Everything else is bad manners.

      • Michael Richardson

        It has nothing to do with tolerating the preferences of others. I doubt he’s making fun of people for liking Japanese audio tracks. He’s making fun of people who, upon hearing that the game will be released in their region, start whining that they won’t buy the game because it won’t include the Japanese audio.

        At least, that is the way I took it.

        • Shippoyasha

          This is a bit of a complex situation because some localization is hard to come by and people definitely should be grateful. On the otherhand, the way some releases gets full treatment worthy of purists and some are heavily revisioned or multiple languages not being there is just torture for those who are sticklers for the original experience.

          I don’t think it’s a bad thing to demand the very best game releases. Releases like this is good for the casual player but no good for purists. A game that is worthy of purists is good for everyone. Though it may be understandable if getting the voices means higher cost to attain the licensing.

        • MasterScrub

          That’s exactly what I meant. You clearly don’t like the game -THAT- much if English audio is gonna stop you from buying it.

      • neocatzon

        You see, his post smells of sarcasm, or I hope it is.

      • revenent hell

        Most people aren’t even caring enough to state why they have that preference and I must say its irritating to hear ” Im not buying this game because its not duel audio so there!”
        That’s just kind of ignorant.

        • Armane

          “I’m not buying this game because it doesn’t have the original voices which I feel convey the meanings of the dialog better as they were usually instructed by the people who actually wrote said dialog.”

          You really expect people to type this up every time? I mean, there’s a couple of other reasons that it could be (know the seiyu from somewhere else and thus were looking forward to hearing their voice, bi-lingual/learning Japanese), but that’s the situation most of the time.

          Why don’t you explain why you like games to have an English dub every time? And why is it whenever a game only has the original Japanese dub there’s always at least one person saying “Oh that’s a shame, guess I won’t buy it.” and no one feels the need to argue with them?

  • JMaster3000

    Yeah….. thanks Atlus but i…..

    >.>
    <.<

    I think i'll import it.

  • Oltheros

    Dub-only for a game like this. Don’t care.

  • Rinne111

    They could do the same thing with SMT IV in Europe

  • http://s932.photobucket.com/ usagi_san

    My initial reaction

    http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130619220802/onepiece/images/2/21/Emotional_Franky.png

    Just means that I’ll be waiting for a sale before I pick it up, like I did with Muramasa.

    • XiaomuArisu

      Isnt thats Franky´s tears of happiness?

      • http://s932.photobucket.com/ usagi_san

        Using it to represent my mixed emotion to the news. One – We’re at least getting the game (happy). Two – It’ll be download-only.

  • Romored

    I can pass over the lack of Japanese audio.
    I can pass over the lack of a special edition.
    I can pass over a lot of things, when it comes to localization.
    What I really can’t pass over is the lack of a PHYSICAL copy, goddamit.

    I was expecting this to be distributed by NISA, in Europe, with the simple physical edition. I was really looking forward to this game, and now Atlus completely destroyed my anticipation.
    It’d have been better if they didn’t announce an European version at all. I’d have been more willing to import from America (I hate importing from other continents, customs in Italy can be extremely bitchy, when they want to). But now I feel so disappointed that I don’t even want to do it anymore. Maybe I’m exaggerating (no, I’m surely doing it), but I hate when these things happen.

  • pixxxelz

    Well sorry my European brothers and sisters,its better than nothing I guess

    • XiaomuArisu

      Eh
      Im used to it
      Atleast we get it~
      And we can import US version in the worst case

      • pixxxelz

        Yep for the vita owners tho, sucks for 3ds since its region locked

        • XiaomuArisu

          True
          Sadly like the SMTIV problem

        • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

          Play pokemon, buy two consoles, importing is expensive

          Lose profit Gain a sexy white 3DS LL

  • Impressionnant

    America wins again.

    • Michael Richardson

      Right. Because we totally got a physical release of Senran Kagura Burst. And it’s totally not like we’re getting Bravely Default, Professor Layton and the Azran Legacy, and Professor Layton vs. Ace Attorney months after people in Europe do.

    • ivanchu77

      America always wins when it´s about Atlus

      • Michael Richardson

        Hopefully that changes sooner than later.

  • Shinji Kazuya

    Well then, I think I’ll import the Vita version.

    In Japan this game doesn’t have DLC, right? I can import it without missing anything?

  • Zeonsilt

    Is there a difference between US and EU version?(Aside from physical copy)

  • http://epiclyamazing.wordpress.com/ AzureNova

    Better than NOT getting it.

    • Shippoyasha

      Sure but still somewhat perturbing. I am okay with it if they don’t censor it but memory space is at a premium for both 3DS and Vita for me. I really wished for a physical copy to alleviate that. Lack of Japanese voice is somewhat off putting but I suppose the game is too niche a release for them to splurge on it. I guess importing it makes sense for me.

      • Hound

        You’re worried about both memory space and the game not doubling up on the available voice tracks? If it’s download only, I’d personally prefer a single track. Hopefully it’ll fit in the left-over blocks on my SD card in this case.

        • Shippoyasha

          I think a physical release could have helped in both fronts but you’re right. That said, I am likely going to import this.

          • Zoozbuh

            Well as long as you’ve got a Vita and not 3DS, you’re lucky you have the option of importing to be honest. So you might as well go ahead if you’re that desperate for a physical vers.

  • Anoia

    I hope this trend continues for the Vita, those that want physical can import and those that prefer digital get to play it in the same year as the US release.

  • DivinePhoenix69

    To everyone complaining about the lack of Japanese voice acting, just be thankful you are even getting the game at all, whether it’s a physical or digital only release. Whatever happened to enjoying a game for wait for it…the actual gameplay/story. If you want Japanese voices so badly then it’s simple, just buy the Japanese version.

    • Shippoyasha

      To be fair, the voice acting might weigh a bit more heavily on the story front for the visual novel parts.

      • DivinePhoenix69

        That is understandable, but that shouldn’t be the only deciding factor in getting a game. Even if a game has a pretty mediocre dub i’ll still play it if the gameplay and overall story is enjoyable.

        Plus Atlus’s dubs are pretty good so it’s not like this one’s dub will be Chaos War’s level of bad lol.

  • Kayseur

    I do like having Japanese dubs, however the lack of original voices has never prevented me from buying a title I wanted.

    But. The lack of physical release? Definitly. Thanksfully, the Vita is region free, and I’d rather miss on the DLCs than on a cartridge and preorder bonus. So here I go placing my preorder at the good ol’ VG+.

  • Crazy_O

    I also won’t buy the game without the japanese VO. I did my research on the voices and found almost all of the VA from the original, there are real stars in the lineup like Ishiguro Chihiro who is the voice for the new Vocaloid, or Saori Goto who voiced Moeka from Steins;Gate, Mizuhashi Kaori the voice of Ogiue from Genshiken. Also some really popular VA like Satomi Sato who voiced Ritsu from K-On, Chitanda from Hyouka, Wendy from Fairy Tail and Mariya Ise (Stocking) as well as Mai Kadowaki (Illyasviel from the Fate series).

    I know those voices and I like them. Sadly I’m not in the position to understand everything. But without them it feels like a big part of the game is missing. For me, something as big as the gameplay part itself. So sadly, I won’t support it.

    • kardonius

      Damn, I love Mizuhashi Kaori’s work. I had the game pre-ordered but losing out on her work, I just cancelled the order, maybe I’ll pick it up used later if it’s available.

      • Kasuga Yuki

        I just hope they will release it later as DLC. If no jp voice, then bye2 conception.

  • NeptuniasBeard

    Only an English dub!? Oh my gods… fantastic! Does anyone know the cast? Is JYB gonna be in it? I haven’t heard him in much lately

    • 永次

      you.

  • Bayzid Hussain

    If this is a full price release for a digital-only release, Atlus can go screw themselves! … Who am I kidding, of course it’ll be full price, Nintendo and Sony are utterly useless at digital pricing.

    • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

      No they arent.

      And Yes it’ll be the full price of 30$ Have fun with that.
      When will you consumers stop being so bipolar?

      • Bayzid Hussain

        I don’t know about the US but the prices on eShop in the UK are almost always more expensive than retail in the UK.

        Also, the whole point of digital releases was to reduce the costs of production and distribution. Now people might argue that the costs have to be the same because of pressures from retailers but seeing as we are only getting the digital release, why should we pay mroe for less?

        • M’iau M’iaut

          The standard has been in the states to have the same prices, and not just for small publisher games. Yes, in a perfect world, there would be some consideration, but in terms of costs — pressing disks, printing a 3 page ‘manual’ and putting it in a plastic case is about the smallest part of the equation.

      • shadowind

        That’s a bit harsh, calling someone bipolar just because they were concerned about the price of a digital release in Europe, that plus you do come across as being a total douchebag with what you said!

        • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

          You’re bipolar when you go from proclaiming from the skies that ATLUS is king of the world then damning them to hell the next over your own personal fretting.

  • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

    European folks dont even know the Pegi rating charges a fee and that makes it harder to release games in europe.

    ESRB is free

    • M’iau M’iaut

      ESRB charges as well. It’s a reason that the adult market doesn’t just go and get it rated and also why if on the initial looksie, if a company is told — this will be AO, they make the changes first, not second.

      As you have been reminded before, think and know what you are posting about before posting. Thanks.

      • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

        The logistics are different. Thats the point.

        • M’iau M’iaut

          The logistics aren’t any different, a company prepares either a test run or a copy of the game itself to an outside organization. That organization then rates based off of industry agreed to standards. A cost is involved.

          • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

            Sigh, not going to get into ti.

    • kardonius

      The ESRB charges except for Digital only releases rated through their automated questionnaire which is free
      http://www.esrb.org/about/news/downloads/DRS_Press_Release_10.24.12_F.pdf

    • British_Otaku

      I’m pretty sure rating systems charging for their services is pretty standard. There is no way that they don’t account for this in every release or localisation along with the cost of printing the games, the booklets, creating advertisements and so on.

  • M’iau M’iaut

    Guys, we are moving away from topic again. This isn’t about the audio folks. Let’s end that now.

  • Go2hell66

    Import it is

  • Tylor Boreas Makimoto

    Can people not just be happy you get it at all? You get to play a game, so be happy about it. Like, frag, I don’t get why people can’t just be happy with what they get. There are far more important things to care about in the world than whether or not you get to have a box with the game’s picture on it, or listening to audio in another language that a some part of the fanbase will never use or listen to.

    • M’iau M’iaut

      Please, let’s end the fights from either side. Thanks.

  • Strain42

    Atlus never publishes games in Europe, so European fans often complain that Atlus hates them and they should die in a fire or something…Atlus decides to release a game in Europe at their own risk and out of their own pocket…but they didn’t do it right? So now people are complaining and hate them and think they should die by being eaten by sharks or something…I’m done. I’m out. I can’t internet anymore. I need a vacation.

    • Gregor

      LOL, good vs evil. Classic.

    • digitaldevil0

      I don’t get it…

      • revenent hell

        Europeans complain Atlus should just release games there and when they do the Europeans just complain more.

        • digitaldevil0

          Well I don’t see many European complainers here, just many whining about the lack of Jp language track.

          • revenent hell

            Whining is complaining.
            Just a different term.I can say I dislike my coat because its blue but its still a complaint.

          • digitaldevil0

            I just don’t see that we are complaining, more like confused. Confused that one day Atlus decides to bring a random game like this to Europe when all we’re waiting for right now is a release date for SMTIV. I know Nintendo is supposed to publish it, after almost a year there’s been no update.

          • revenent hell

            Take that up with Nintendo. What has been done is done and as you say that was over a year ago.
            Maybe Atlus thought this would be worth the risk so fans would be able to get the game sooner…. Who knows why they chose this to be the game but they did.

          • digitaldevil0

            Atleast NISA has taken to step to bring their games to us. Just hope whoever is handling SMT IV won’t f it up like P4 Arena, been craving to play it for a long time.

          • revenent hell

            Im not trying to be an ass but that seems like what Atlus is trying to do now.
            Its to late for them to handle the games other publishers have had/do currently have in their custody to release in other locales at this time.
            But they are apparently trying with this one at least.
            That could be a good sign ya know?

          • digitaldevil0

            I’d be fine with them releasing smaller titles like this and letting NISA handle the bigger releases if it saves them money. Just as long as we get the game, it’s all fine.

          • revenent hell

            And that’s what most Europeans should be thinking.
            Im not really an ignorant American but no matter how a game is released I tend to be just happy to be getting a niche tittle I otherwise probably wouldn’t get and it royally pisses me off when people complain about actually getting something they most likely otherwise wouldn’t get or get in a timely manner.

          • digitaldevil0

            Thanks and yes, I wish some would just be a little more understanding. Atlus is a small niche company after all, so a full worldwide release of their games can’t always come without some compromise, not as long as they don’t start a European branch. But that probably won’t be happening for a while.

          • revenent hell

            That would be dependent on sales figures.
            I think if more units got sold or where in higher demand they would have opened a branch by now (this is just my rationale mind you).

          • digitaldevil0

            Yeah, the core fanbase is frustratingly small in Europe, not helped by the fact they are scattered across different countries. Though if NISA keep doing their job as well as they have with their recent releases I don’t think they have to.

          • revenent hell

            I do give Nisa props. They are ubber helpful and nice folks.

          • shadowind

            Since when was it a crime to complain about Europe getting screwed over by Atlus? At least us Europeans have the last laugh with games like Bravely Default, Professor Layton vs Ace Attorney and a lot of NISA games for the ps3 coming out before you guys get to play them in North America! ^_^

          • Nightmare637

            last laugh? its not a competition. :P

          • shadowind

            It’s the last laugh because at least there are other niche companies who acknowledge Europe as a important market and are willing to bring their games out here within a reasonable timeframe or in some cases before the North American release! Then again, you come across as one who’s probably bitter because we’re playing certain games before you guys over there… And just to let you know, Bravely Default is definitely a awesome game although it’s such a crying shame you Americans have had to wait so long to play it as well as certain other games… ^_^

          • Nightmare637

            I… Don’t really care actually.

            I mean I’m happy for ya.
            EU does get screwed over a lot and its nice to see them get stuff.

            I just don’t get how it’s the last laugh, I mean you act like you getting something a little earlier would affect us that much.

            I actually only started caring about Bravery Default a couple weeks ago.

            But that’s just me, I can’t speak for other people.

          • revenent hell

            I appreciate your sentiment but apparently “I” am supposed to care about this for some reason because I have taken issue with how the European community has been complaining about “No Japanese VA’s” and such instead of being happy to even get the game and in a timely manner…..
            Apparently I should act heart broken they have gotten a few games before North America ?
            This person keeps mentioning it in their posts so I assume as much anyways…. Apparently my value isn’t high enough on time frame for getting a game I think I should pretend to care because im beginning to think this ones a lil on the stunted side……

          • M’iau M’iaut

            Please stop with the baiting posts tonight. Your thoughts have had more than an opportunity to be shared. Thanks.

          • revenent hell

            Most of the games people complain about where published by others. Even P4 Arena , Zen united by the by, so your complaints lie with the publishers not the developers.
            But its so much easier to blame Atlus aint it?

          • revenent hell

            I could care less really. Im happy to be getting the games at all regardless of release date. That’s like saying I should be bitter because Japanese people get games before I do.
            Your going to have to come out with something more valid because that aint it.
            I reiterate they could just decide not to release games to the European countries at all, would that be your preference?

        • Gregor

          So they didn’t care for more than 10 years, one morning they decide to self-publish digitally a niche game over here and every americans expect us to be dancing with joy. Really? :|
          Let’s be clear, I sincerely hope it’s the beginning of something and not a mere way to round up some more money on a game that wil probably not sell much. And I will be buying this in Europe IF it’s a valid game… but you can’t expect me to throw up money to make Atlus senpai notice me while forging them statues. :|

          • revenent hell

            Its hardly rounding up more money because as you said its chances of selling well there are not terribly high.
            All around it would be cheaper for them to sell it off to another publisher at a much cheaper price than what costs they have to pay and then those who haven’t imported the game could buy it a year or so later.
            And yes I would expect people to be more happy about the game. They could not be getting it at all without importing it. And frankly with this type of reception for the game I kind of wouldn’t blame Atlus if they didn’t bother in future to release a game for European countries via this method or any other.

          • Romored

            It’d have probably been released by one of the other publishers in Europe (we do have them, as well). And with a physical release, too.
            I don’t care if I had to wait more time, I just wanted to have the opportunity to buy this game in a physical form from my country. If Atlus doesn’t want to make the actual effort to offer the bare minimum of what most European publishers (and NISA) can offer to their customers (with even nicher games: Senran Kagura Burst will have a physical release, after all), then it’s better they don’t even try. They pretend to act like paladins, but they’re just showing how poorly they consider the European fans of their games, in this way. I don’t know why I should be happy to be treated like a lesser fan of them, when other publishers would have handled the release of the game much better.

        • shadowind

          Us Europeans complain about Atlus because unlike other niche game companies based in North America, they’ve hardly been interested in the European market. At least the likes of Aksys, Xseed, NISA and TecmoKoei care about Europe.

          Hell, Atlus even banned European gamers from signing up to their forums a couple of years back because of them making us Europeans wait almost a year for Persona 4 the Arcade.

    • Scipio

      Maybe they should buy them. I’ve seen the sells numbers between regions out of curiosity and some of the differences are quite staggering. For example the first Etrian Odyssey title sold about 100+K in NA alone, beating even the JP sells numbers, that’s quite of feat especially for a niche game. The EU sells were 10K, which explains why EO II and III were never released in that region.

      People need to put their money where their mouth is, it’s not exclusive to any region; if you’re not buying, they won’t sell you anything. NISA seems to be picking some of the games left stranded, so there’s that at least.

      • revenent hell

        OMFG…….
        A smart person…….
        What is the world coming to?
        Mind=Blown.
        I now need morphine and a nap.

      • Gregor

        What do you expect at double price, with little distribution outside UK, and without any advertising? Come on, it’s not that easy.
        I agree people should put their money where their mouth is (I’m one of those 10k), but there must be some investment on the other side.
        And a good part of that 100k NA copies are probably European importers :)

        • revenent hell

          Most niche games don’t get advertising other than what game sites throw out about the game, information wise, like siliconera, so what exactly are your trying to point out?
          Companies should throw out more money to place ads on TV because Europeans don’t read as much as other countries?
          Why would the Niche company want to waste money when odds are it wont make that money back in sales?
          Its a loss of profit, not even a minimal gain. Advertisements cost a ton of money more half the time than what a game is worth or will end up getting, a niche company will be lucky if they can get a game to sell well and cover ads. Which isn’t often if at all.

          • Gregor

            Advertising as in information, sometimes it’s difficult to know a niche game even came out over here. But I don’t remember how it went with EO though, so disregard that point. :)

          • revenent hell

            Im really not trying to be an asshole but basically even in the states we are limited to the information via game sites like this. We have to look for it. Its just how most Niche game companies roll.Hell, that’s why I missed out on the Neptunia Victory LE because I missed siliconeras article on it.

          • Gregor

            Look, what I’m trying to ultimately say is I don’t agree that they should be entirely dependant on us. I don’t want to feel obligated to care about a product I would not have cared about in hope of receiving other products, and if I don’t buy it it’s my “fault”. From my perspective a corporation should invest in a market if they want to sell in said market, and should take their risks.
            Now there are tons of motives to not invest in Europe, and I see the problematics, that’s why I don’t understand why you people think I should be happy after a news like this :) It could be a beginning, it could be nothing, we’ll see.

          • revenent hell

            All products are based on demand. If Europe doesn’t show a demand for the product or minimally chances are companies wont want to pour out their own money in to giving them the ability to have it.
            Granted “video games” are a kind of different industry but your bulking it together so I will as well when I say don’t be surprised why it takes companies longer to care about European countries when people take that viewpoint.
            Granted I doubt this is the deal breaking game in the scenario, because frankly I don’t think much of the game, but if there’s not a worthy demand for a product don’t be shocked when companies would rather not risk a loss or just continue to give those countries “digital” only releases.

        • Scipio

          I can’t comment on the price so I’ll have to take your word for it, but there is little to no advertising in the States as well, all of it is done either through word of mouth or by the internet. Heck, I recently was surprise to see a Bravely Default ad on TV and that’s all on Nintendo’s behalf, niche games don’t get TV ads, Atlus is hardly made of money. And if a good portion of those sells were European, then where have they gone? I’d surely want them back given how each release has less and less sells from the previous entry.

          • revenent hell

            Actually the pricing is fair. Money in different countries is either worth more value or those countries have a higher “minimum” wage than the USA. Most literally shouldn’t complain.
            Its actually rare to see the “poorer” countries complain about cost of a game to be honest

          • shadowind

            Do you live in Bizarro World by any chance as I definitely don’t agree with your so-called logic that gamers in certain parts of the world should pay more than those in North America…

      • Wodki

        it took them 388 days to bring Etrian Odyssey to europe

        • revenent hell

          Nintendo was responsible for that being published in European countries wanna try again?

          • Wodki

            my point was to point out why it sold almost nothing

  • kthanxyousuck

    Can someone explain to me why the Jap audio is such a big deal? And I’m not being sarcastic or trying to be rude to anyone’s opinion which is why I’m asking. Is it about the game specifically or a preference to certain voice actors? Yeah, sometimes the English dubs are kind of squealy and weird sounding but to me, I’d much rather listen to voices than read text if it’s not necessary.

    I expected the flack of a no retail release but I didn’t realize this mattered to so many people.

    • revenent hell

      Normally I prefer subs since the Voice acting tends to be fairly bad in a dub but honestly I have to say most games do it well if not exactly “good” and I’d rather hear a game in my own language rather than not…. BUT I think its mostly because people have nothing better to complain about other than the original VA’s tend to be better.

    • Amagidyne

      I usually tend to prefer the Japanese dubs because even though I can’t understand them when I’m listening, it still sounds more ‘natural’ to my ears, since a lot of English dubbed lines sound forced sometimes. Granted, Atlus generaly have good quality English dubs and can pick their VA’s quite well, so I doubt I’d mind what they came up with in terms of audio for this.

  • Charlotte Buckingham

    Self-publishing? Since when? Perhaps a sign of things to come? :D

  • artemisthemp

    Thanks Atlus for confirming no special edition for EU, so I can safely import the US version.

  • MrBalzac

    I don’t particularly care for this game, but perhaps this will inspire Xseed to do the same thing with Rune Factory 4? That would be nice.

  • Mirai

    I’m disappointed there’s no option to use jap voices but that’s not going to stop me from buying the game. I actually prefer to have physical copies of the game, rather than download it. So if this is the path they have taken with europe then i’ll be buying the american version.

  • James Williams

    Are you kidding me Digital only? I’m happy to have it in some way, but i think i’m going to have to crack down and get a US 3DS now.

  • revenent hell

    SO since most Europeans, going by comments, don’t plan to buy the digital game could you all kindly email and tell Atlus that?
    I would much rather they put that money in to games for my country, like LE items or something, rather than waste it on folks who obviously don’t care about the courtesy being extended on their behalf.
    Thanks.

    • shadowind

      If I were you, I’d grow up and stop acting like a total loser just because a lot of us Europeans are once again pissed off at being treated like second-best by Atlus whereas most niche companies publishing Japanese games in North America at least give a fuck about Europe, in some cases either getting a physical release here or getting a English release months before North America (Bravely Default says ‘Hello’ by the way!).

  • James Williams

    Japanese VO isn’t a deal breaker, special LE isn’t a deal breaker either, What is though is not having a physical release even if it was a super limited run or something. I don’t want to fork out £30-40 for something i’m not 100% sure i’ll like with no way to move it on, The same thing happened with code of princess.

    • revenent hell

      I get the non physical release thing and understand it totally but a lot of games I have wanted didn’t have them sadly. My best advice would be to watch an LP or something of the original game and that can kind of give you an idea for this one.
      Im not particularly a fan of this game, more or less for its story than anything else but hopefully knowing a bit about the first game can give some idea to you for this one

      • James Williams

        I understand that but without being able to actually play it i still wouldn’t be sure on whether i could fully commit to it.
        As daft as it sounds i would easily pay extra for atlus to release a physical copy of the game on the off chance that i didn’t enjoy it, rather than being stuck with it.

        • revenent hell

          I don’t really indulge in used games myself, buying them or trading them in, so I normally have a good track record with buying games I enjoy.
          But I get where your coming from.
          If a game isn’t one I look at and think “I want I want I want” I tend to do a lo of “research” on it before I commit.
          This is why I kind of think if companies took pre orders for games for a physical media would be cool, like with a stipulation “If such and such minimum requirement numbers aren’t pre ordered the game will be only available via Digital Download”
          It would suck if that number wasn’t reached for most but I think its an interesting way to get the minimum amount sold ya know?

          • James Williams

            I do want the game a lot that’s why i’m pretty disgruntled about the whole thing, on the off chance i don’t enjoy it then im completely stuck with it and for a possibly inflated price too.

            I’d be much happier with a system like that in place, Since your putting your support forward already and if it doesn’t hit it’s goal your still left with the product. I mean if senran kagura and hometown story can get a physical release over here then how come this can’t?

          • revenent hell

            Honestly? I don’t think there’s a raving outcry for it.
            Your one of a select few commenters who actually aren’t bitching about duel audio or lack of LE… Given that, if those folks stick to their guns and don’t buy the game, Atlus would be stuck with unsold inventory if they made it on a physical media. It would basically be a loss of funds since there’s a minimum number they have “printed” out for a price.
            I think this for them is the best option to do at the moment.

          • James Williams

            I understand there position on it all, it’s just a damn shame it’s something i’m not willing to commit 100% to They might sell me on it as the game nears release but right now it’s too big of a risk for it.

            I don’t get the whole Jap VO debate though, your going to be reading text half the time anyway, why does some voices bother you?

          • revenent hell

            I have no idea on the voice issue. I play most games muted ….. I don’t like battling for sound in my house because it would make some hella horrible wars BUT the Japanese VA’s do tend to be better ….
            Also if you wanted you could import the basic game…. I cant imagine a game store declining it for trade….. though I cant imagine you would get a lot for it being from a different country and all…..

          • James Williams

            I do the same tbh, only rarely play handheld games with sound on.
            If it was on a PS3/DS trade would never be an issue due to them being region free, alas the 3ds is still stuck in the stone ages with that.

          • revenent hell

            PSvita isn’t ;)
            If you don’t have one it almost is kind of worth buying one for that reason alone hu?

          • kthanxyousuck

            Buying a vita for one game? Not really.

        • kthanxyousuck

          I really feel like these kind of games, if they are going to be digital only need to have some kind of demo.

          • James Williams

            Oh definitely, at decent demo that showcases some of the features the game has.

      • James Williams

        But without physically trying it i still wouldn’t know if i enjoyed it or not, there’s only so much research you can do. I would easily pay more for a super short run of the game than have to be stuck with a digital copy forever.

  • ZekeFreek

    I don’t know if it would’ve been worse to get NISA to release physically for them as usual, but this reeks of laziness and just Atlus continuing to not give a fuck about Europe.

    • revenent hell

      Yes because they now don’t have to wait a year plus to play the game… How cruel of Atlus.

    • shadowind

      The day that Atlus finally gives a fuck about Europe is the day when cats and dogs start talking and when Satan walks the Earth!

  • Greg

    Europe gets physical copies of Senran Kagura Burst (and a pre-order bonus), while US gets a digital download only release. US gets physical copies of Conception II (and a pre-order bonus), while Europe gets a digital download only release.
    Seems fair to me :

    • James Williams

      We also got a digital only version of code of princess, and are still waiting on etrian odyssey and shin megami tensei IV.

    • Arizato

      You got Raidou Kuzunoha vs King Abaddon, EU didn’t get it.

      You got Persona 4 Arena 2 weeks after Japan, while we had to wait 9 months after US release in Europe.

      Shin Megami Tensei IV was released in the US this last summer, no news of EU release since April 2013.

      You got Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey, EU didn’t get it at all.

      You got Devil Survivor: Overclocked in August 2011, we got it in March 2013.

      This list could go on and on and on. But please stop saying this is only fair because that’s total BS.

      • Greg

        I totally forgot Europe still gets second best when it comes to getting games localized so forgive my ignorance there. You’ve made a very valid point there.
        (strange thing is I don’t even live in NA, I just have a NA 3DS :| )

        • Arizato

          Well, I apologize for being so blunt. But I’ve heard so many things as of late from elitist Americans saying that we should stop whining.

          Still, I thought you were from the US since you were writing from an american’s perspective. At least in my interpretation.

          • Greg

            To be honest I wasn’t trying to speak from an american’s pov (but I can see why you would say so), it’s just that whatever US gets I also have to settle for so I was looking at the fairness there.
            If what you said about in the first paragraph is true, it looks like america doesn’t realize how lucky it is. I would know, they aren’t the ones paying $130 (my currency) for new physical games >.>

          • Arizato

            Now just to make things clear: Not ALL Americans are like this. Generalization is bad after all!

          • Greg

            Right, of course not ALL americans but just the persons who seem to be getting abit arrogant over this.

  • Zoozbuh

    YES this is a welcome surprise, considering (like many people already mentioned) we still haven’t gotten SMT 4 for some reason! To people, as always, complaining about the lack of Japanese voice, please get out. All ATLUS dubs are generally of an amazing standard, anyone who thinks otherwise should just deal with it or buy the Japanese version.

    • revenent hell

      I like you.

    • Amagidyne

      Exactly. Any other company I’d be worried about an iffy dubbing job, but Atlus really do have top quality work on their record. I’d be very happy to listen to the English dub for this one.

  • Amagidyne

    Cool, nice to know Atlus hasn’t forgotten we exist over here. I’ve seen a bit about this game here and there and thought it seemed interesting, never expected it to get a release in the EU (because Atlus) so I’m happy we actually are. Would’ve liked to add that funky box art to my physical collection, but I guess you can’t win ‘em all.

  • Kazekage Gaara

    I am so glad I live in America :D No offense Eurobros.Hope you guys get SMT IV soon……..

    • Arizato

      It’s nice to see some people that aren’t saying stuff like: “No one cares about Europe anyway. Import a console and the game if you want it that bad!”

      I like you alot, good sir!

    • shadowind

      I agree with Arizato in that its nice to see someone here who’s not acting like a complete douchebag towards European gamers just because we’re upset at Atlus for not offering a choice of format for a game here.

  • shadowind

    I guess I’ll be importing the Vita version through Videogames Plus then…

  • Neppygear

    Atlus, you don’t really have to try anymore, we all know you hate our guts. Just let NIS handle it, mmkay?

    • Romored

      I couldn’t have said it better myself.
      And I’d say the same thing to Aksys, as well. I already was let down by them when I found out they published Muramasa Rebirth in EU only on PSN. Now Mind Zero, too.
      I’d like to understand one thing: if these American companies don’t want to expand in other countries by opening their official brances and/or to make an actual effort to find some distributing partners (like NISA did, God bless her), why don’t they just remain in America and let other publishers (Rising Star, Pqube, Zen United, Ghostlight, NISA) in Europe handle the work, instead of encroaching on territories they do not belong to?
      And now vote me down as much as you want, I don’t care. Why I should be happy to be treated so differently by the same company? If this was a decision of another company I could have understood, but as it’s Atlus itself then I can’t help but seeing this as a mere “concession”.

      • shadowind

        I agree with you in that it would be nice if American-based niche game companies could make more of an effort to have their games released in Europe, especially in physical form.

        For example, I imported Ragnarok Odyssey as I had a feeling that it was going to be a download-only game in Europe and I was proven right.

  • cklambo

    so no demo for europe?

  • Ninten

    1) Why is Persona 2 missing from the list?

    2) DDS1 came out in 2006 in Europe, not 2005.

  • Michael Richardson

    Not trying to make a contest out of who usually gets the short end of the stick. Just pointing out that America does not always “win,”

  • Barrylocke89

    Sounds like she’d make a fine waifu then!

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