• Slickyslacker

    I…nearly shed a tear upon reading the last few words of the first paragraph.

    I understand that it’s profitable, but for how much longer are they going to continue turning out turgid smartphone games? Where are these supposed profits going, simply paying off their debts?

    I’m sure my fellow Siliconera readers and this site’s staff are more than bored to death of whining brats like me, but it’s a shame to see IPs spent like this. I can easily imagine “Dragon Sky” being the next, massive, home console-based franchise, but that’s evidently not happening.

    Hell, it’s not as though this game is going to see beyond Akihabara anyway.

    • Aoshi00

      It pains me every time I see these beautiful illustration used for these smartphone games :(..

      • ElAbuelo69

        Those illustrations are so generic though. SE is a joke now.

        • Shippoyasha

          Really? I think they look very nice. Would be nicer to see those designs better represented in-game.

          • Lucky Dan

            It looks similar to Bahamut Lagoon back in the SNES era

      • Juan Manuel M. Suárez

        Check any browser game and you’ll find art of equal if not better quality. It’s pretty standard / generic quality by now~.

    • brostar

      I wouldn’t call you a “whiny brat” because that would make all Square Enix fans whiny brats.
      Square Enix is pulling a Capcom and trying to shoot for a market that they cannot win at and all it results in is alienating their fanbse.
      Square Enix is successful because of their fanbase and that money can only keep them safe while alienating their fans for so long. Of course if Square ever gets in trouble they’ll just remake FF7 to please the fan boys.

      • Slickyslacker

        I see your point. I wouldn’t discount them as being so ruthless, but on the same hand they’ve definitely lost touch.

        Well, if you want to start an argument about VII being remade, there’s a much larger struggle there than it serving as a last resort in the case of imminent bankruptcy.

        • revenent hell

          Oh, I couldn’t agree more about them having lost touch at least as far as non mobile gamers go.

          I think the problem is that they have unrealistic selling goals for their console games so they want to bulk up income with mobile games since they sell like hotcakes in their country. Frankly the XIII trilogy has had a systematic decrease in sales from the first game on and while I don’t think *all* their console/handheld games are a fail I think they overestimate a games worth or think more highly of it than they have a right to so to them all they see is a loss to make up for.

          Hence the mobile games. Cheap and easy to rush out the door and can bring in a lot of money in a short time span. Even if it is just in Japan that they sell well it obviously makes up for them having to make a “real” console or handheld game.

    • Saphiren

      >”I understand that it’s profitable, but for how much longer are they going to continue turning out turgid smartphone games? ”

      Until they’re not more profitable. It’s more easy and it’s working. :

    • http://blackstar2661.deviantart.com/ SilverSpades

      I read “Akihabara” and thought of Log Horizon, lol.

    • Mnstrzero00

      See I don’t get that. If you read most of the article and liked it then why would the game being on a smartphone ruin it for you. I don’t think it is impossible to have a decent game experience on a phone and it pointless to blindly lump all these games in with the trash just because of their platform.

    • Fen Y

      Well, basically Smartphone games are rubbish that you can just churn out without any effort – pay a few artists for female characters with little clothes, make some of them rare, done. Just look at the UIs and the entire design, they are clones. It’s what you get when lawyers and psychologists design games, game design clearly takes a back seat. Just “Play” some of these games, and you’ll see what I mean. They look better just from snippers than what they actually turn out to be. There is literally no difference between them, they’re just glorified slot machines. The gameplay isn’t there to be fun, it’s to mask that it’s a slot machine.

      The problem square may be in is that they lost so many actual game designers that they *can’t* produce a proper, real game outside of their few remaining franchises (which likely bind up every single good designer they have left). Look at the talent they lost this decade, it’s sad.

      Honestly, they probably are dead in the water already, as far as new IPs go – promising new designers avoid SE like the plague, after all, and I can’t blame them. They might simply lack the capacity for actual new videogames for a new IP.

      You need a lot of people for a good game, and if you don’t have them, all you can do is cannibalize old mobile games for a quick buck.

      • yomachaser

        That is such bs, all of mobile doesn’t follow that philosophy at all and it’s clear you’ve never looked into it or given it a fair shake.

        • Hector Velar

          the majority do. and yes all so called F2P are glorify slot machines where you pay real money for a small chance to win something. So they are really pay to win.

          • ishyg

            “glorify slot machines”

            Well, it just shows that the pachinko-addict inside most Japanese people are apparently what makes them F2P games profitable lol.

            *glorified

          • Hector Velar

            japanese? how about USA and Latin america, as well as Europe and the rest of the world, this is a global epidemic here, people are throwing tons of cash to this, and on their defence when I have confronted them they say “well when you go to a restaurant you also spend over a $1000 dollars easy on a fancy meal”, I’m like what planet you come from? People come so addictied, they come out with the worse excuses for their irradical behavior of compulsively expending thousands on P2W games. I think it is more about the glory of beating thousands of people by expending all their paychecks. Which brings up the next topic, should this be illegal? Companies purposely making people addicted to an unhealthy level (just like lets say, cocaine), then taking advantage of their addiction by ripping them off (by gambling means)? gambling and self destructive addictive drugs are illegal in most USA… so why not this games? seems like there is no one stepping up, even thou many sited cases of people getting ruined over them. My hopes are that more companies will do this until the mobile P2W bubble will bursts and people will realize they have been wasting their time and money on them.

          • ishyg

            Point taken.

            Then again, it’s their money they are spending.

    • yomachaser

      The profits are going back into more mobile games because that is Japans real market now. I’m personally not sick of the complaining but I just don’t like seeing people living in false hope because make no mistake because of their commuter culture mobile is for sure now their future bar a few crazy companies like From and indies.

      Capcom’s new 4 pillars for instance doesn’t even mention console games and puts mobile first so this isn’t a money grab or a fad this is reality and we all need to make choices about how we deal with that.

      I personally think the mobile space over there will evolve into making something closer to traditional games but not anytime soon.

    • Ric Vazquez

      I know your feels all too well, death to dlc and mobile.

    • ViSyne

      There’s always a chance that if it does well at mobile it’ll appear on other platforms.

      Unlikely because this is Square, but I’m hopeful.

  • Nekksu

    Or they could always, you know, stop making mobile games?

    • Lilith

      And you could stop posting.

      • brostar

        That was uncalled for. You may want it but the majority do not want mobile games from Square.

        • Lilith

          Keep up with the program. Majorities don’t matter anymore.

          • yomachaser

            Nonsense the majority want mobile games, doubly so in Japan where

            1. They are a commuter culture so it’s hugely convenient.

            2. Many see owning a console for gaming as being nerdy as hell for an adult.

            3. 6 day work week for most leaves little time for big traditional games.

            Do you seriously think they’re resisting the wishes of some hidden vast majority of the fanbase? It’s a different era and different games are attractive right now. Not the end of the world.

          • Nekksu

            You’re entitled to your opinion. I apologize if you didn’t appreciate mine. I disagree with your argument that majorities don’t matter. It all depends on the perspective you’re looking at. Big publishers who deliver the “AAA” games, as the industry puts it, do respond to the majority opinions and look for those massive numbers in game sales. If they don’t get those massive numbers, then they are much less likely to publish a subsequent game from a particular series. Smaller developers and publishers are less concerned with these huge sales figures, but the fact remains that they still would like mass appeal and to see that their game sold plenty. I understand that mobile games are low risk and easily developed while not putting other console titles on hold, so it makes sense for them to make these games. I also won’t deny that there are mobile games that are a blast to play. I recently played Brave Frontier for a while and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I also know that there is definitely a market for smartphone gaming. However, on forums like these, the majority of people are console gamers first and mobile gamers second (from what I see). For those people that are pre-ordering collector’s editions and going to midnight releases (which, in many cases, are the individuals checking out gaming websites), I think they would rather hear about the next console game than something for mobile.

        • iamtehultimatepwnage .

          unfortunately for us hardcore gamers SE only is interested in mobile games which give them more money i guess. its rly sad if you think of the many good games they developed in the past ( not to say mobile games are bad, but you cant rly compare this game to something like ff lX, dq VIII etc…)

          • revenent hell

            Mobile games are cheap and easy to make en mass hence why they do it. Plus they sell better than candy in Japan so as long as they are making easy money why would they stop?

        • Landale

          The question is, is it really a majority or is it a vocal minority? Perhaps the majority do want phone games, or just don’t care one way or the other.

          • brostar

            I’d say it’s the majority. Because so many people across so many sites are complaining about it. To get true statistics you’d need to do a survery and that would be difficult.

          • Landale

            “So many people across so many sites”? And there’s no possibility to you that in many of those cases it’s the same people over and over?

          • brostar

            It’s a possibility but based off what we know of the current fanbase of Square. What they buy and why they buy it. Then you take in to account the general attitude to mobile games taken by the group of people those fans come from. It’s a pretty safe assumption that the majority don’t want mobile games.

          • Landale

            You’re running off assumptions and generalizations without statistics. Logically, when you look at the results, it’s safer to assume those who do not want phone games are the minority against those who do and those who are neutral otherwise the business wouldn’t be reasonably sustainable.

          • revenent hell

            Personally in a locale where phone games aren’t popular i’d have to say the majority do dislike SE focusing so much on them. Besides a good few of these games don’t or wont get released outside of a few Asian countries so people do have valid points in complaining because even if they would buy the game they can not.

            A few Asian countries will mostly see SE mobile games, there demographic is to sell for Japan and its trend of mobile gaming and if people cant see that they are being selectively blind.
            Im not saying they, mobile games don’t sell elsewhere or aren’t a trend but in most countries SE’s phone games aren’t even released.

          • brostar

            Of course I am because there aren’t statistics I can use on this. But still. Can you honestly think that the SE fans who don’t want mobile are the minority? Really?

          • Landale

            I do think that actually. I also believe that people who want them specifically for phones are also a minority. The neutral ones are why I assume the others to be the minority, especially fans of the company itself rather than any system or series. That sort would simply take what they can get, and the company can provide on phones more readily than for other systems so phones would be the ideal system to develop for.

          • brostar

            I disagree. The neutral ones probably are just indifferent to these games.

          • Landale

            You’re equating neutrality to opposition, which doesn’t make sense unless you’re Zapp Brannigan.
            They’d be no more indifferent to these games than they would games on any other system.

          • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

            None of square’s old games do particularly well, its all new ips that find life on phones

          • brostar

            For sure. I wonder if these games though will sell well on phones. Most of the popular mobile games (in Japan as well) are games that just wouldn’t work on home consoles or handheld devices as standalone products but on mobile phones they fit and work great in the medium. Such as puzzle & dragons and Angry bird.s Hell that’s why they added so much new content to Puzzle & Dragons for the 3DS remake.
            I wonder if this is the kind of game people want to play on their phone.

          • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

            I doubt it. Square will learn soon enough

        • popo123

          Majority of the hardcore gamers who are used to console games do not want these mobile games. But casual players dig these games and they are the main market for them, they are also much bigger and larger than hardcore gamers.

          • brostar

            But casual gamers aren’t interested in hardcore RPGs.

          • revenent hell

            Japan digs mobile games. Otherwise in my country they aren’t that popular unless its angry birds or candy crush………..

        • revenent hell

          I have to agree here. Most gamers want console games from SE not phones ones.
          Sadly they sell really well in Japan so until they stop caring about them we will continue to read posts about SE’s newest iphone/android game….

        • Kumiko Akimoto

          No correction the majority of western fans don’t want it, the japanese have always been fine with it and it’s been going on for years. Quite frankly they are still producing big games so if you don’t like the mobile games don’t play simple.

        • Mnstrzero00

          There are plenty of brilliant games on mobile devices. I really don’t understand why instead of pulling for square to make a good game on the platform and show gamemakers how its done, consumers are throwing out blind hate. This game could be really fun.

          • yomachaser

            Not a popular opinion on this site at all, but I fully agree with you.

        • yomachaser

          You need to add “in the west” to that surely. Their whole industry is moving to phone/tablet so yeah the majority of gamers do want the mobile games.

          This sites members are in fact a vocal but super tiny minority of Japanese gaming as a whole.

    • icecoffemix

      Not going to happen sadly, it’s low risk, has low development time compared to traditional and very very big in Japan.

    • Saphiren

      When, you know, people stop buying them.

  • klkAlexar

    But I’m not a dude.

  • http://forums.rpgmakerweb.com/index.php?/topic/25050-farm-mapping-contest/#entry239430 Chaos17

    Again ?!

  • Lilith

    Looks nice, I hope it gets a western release.

  • Saphiren

    The designs look really nice.

  • Ferrick

    the artwork looks interesting

    the game however, well, all the bravest

    • yomachaser

      Seriously is that the standard all releases will be held too? No hey it might be great like Chaos Rings 2 or Drakerider or FF Dimensions?

      I know ATB sucked balls but jesus it isn’t the only thing they did in mobile.

      • Ferrick

        chaos rings 2 doesn’t have ATB though

        and yes, the don’t make ATB only games for the phones, however, apart from ATB RPGs, they made a rhythm game (demon’s score), card games (with some gimmicks), and then, there’s the all the bravest

      • Juan Manuel M. Suárez

        Chaos Rings isn’t particularly great. Nice story, awful ending, non existent difficulty, sub par graphics, great music. That’s it. It baffles me that the game got such high scores, it’s good. But not great~.

        • yomachaser

          It’s ratings come from a loooong time ago so it stood out as being a pretty great entry back when.

          • Juan Manuel M. Suárez

            An ending will be awful despite of time, same with difficulty. Graphics were subpar when it was released, KH: BbS and FF Type-0, both belonging to the PSP, a system that was already showing its age at the time, were superior to CR by leaps and bounds~.

  • Earthjolly

    How do you play an RTS on a phone…………

    • Ferrick

      tap tap tap tap tap tap swipe swipe swipe swipe and throw your phone to the wall in frustration

  • revenent hell

    SE how a bout making a new IP for something other than phones?
    Oh well this still looks interesting I suppose *if* it gets a western release I’ll do the vita mobile thing like I did with chaos rings….
    Though I have to say I dislike how most phone games play on a phone but on the Vita Chaos Rings wasn’t so bad. Knowing I don’t have to actually use a mobile makes it more tolerable… Now the downside happens to be most of the cooler looking games for mobiles aren’t released worldwide so I think the chances of being able to play this while understanding it may be slim at the moment.

    • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

      New ip’s thzt get popular on phones are great for porting.

      • revenent hell

        Don’t even need a port really. The Vita comes equipped to play and download mobile games by SE….. I think it would be good if the mobile game articles mentioned that…. Since I think people haven’t quite realized that yet…….
        All the real worry involved is *if* it will actually see a release in whatever country one is in.

  • Demeanor

    Aside from all the mobile drama, I’m not particularly digging the art style, I mean, it looks a bit… inconsistent to me, like a mish-mash of character designs from many different rpgs, new and old. Like… FF V meets Romancing Saga meets Tales of Hearts meets Goth Loli fashion.

    • Nanaki

      I feel similarly concerning the art style.

    • Morricane

      Mesh it all together, so at least one thing will certainly suit the taste of every potential customer! :)

  • Unlimax

    Smarphone games and each one of them ripping off the other with the same aspect over and over and over and over ……..

    When will this nightmare ends ?

    Square Enix – Capcom …. i’m speechless !

  • Aqua King

    No. Not more smartphone games. :/

  • Kumiko Akimoto

    This smart phone gaming complaining is getting really old

    • revenent hell

      If SE held off on them then I would have to say most wouldn’t complain as much as we do.
      No one begrudges them their cheap and easy income but at this point when nine out of ten articles is dedicated to a mobile game its irritating.
      There are console and handheld games people want and to hear about and they wont even remark upon those games yet SE have no issue throwing out mobile games like its rice at a wedding.

      If they took half the incentive they use with creating new IP’s for consoles and handhelds that they do on crop dusting Japan with mobile games than they would probably have a ton more happy fan base/consumers.

      • Kumiko Akimoto

        No if western gamers would get their heads out of the sand and put their crosses and holy water down before starting a witch hunt every time there’s something about mobile games there wouldn’t be anything to complain about.

        I’m sorry to tell you, you don’t always get what you want just because you whine about it. Square is making continuing to make games for consoles and handhelds they aren’t a mobile only market but the fact is that japan has always been big on mobile games and if you don’t like too bad.

        And please stop acting as if this site and a few western gamers are the major fanbase for square.

        • revenent hell

          Number One=
          I never claimed that this site or its *few* western gamers where the major fan base for anything SE. That’s your own interpretation of comments and frankly you can take that condescending attitude elsewhere. If the western market didn’t make an impact on SE’s business than they would be an eastern only company. Obviously the westerners money matter just enough. Which entitles us to….

          Number two=
          Considering SE is NOT a Japan exclusive company its just to bad for them that the *few westerners* will complain about their mobile market appearing to be more important to them than selling games *we few* can play in our country.

          You are aware most of their phone games do not get a universal or even “out of their country” release? Its a little hard to play a game when the chances of it being localized are reduced simply because the device its on is not a popular gaming media in countries other than eastern.

          Yeah, it sucks to be us *few* given this but then we will just make it suck by complaining about the mobile games so it can ruin everyone else’s day, just as news of the game being released by SE is another mobile and ruins our hope of being able to play a new IP.

          Number Three=
          * We few* hardly go on a witch hunt about the mobile games but *we few* definitely get tired of seeing word of a promising game getting put on a phone because as I stated previously the chances *we few* can play it are reduced by this.

          Again,its irritating for *us few* to see mobile game after mobile game being rolled out in quick succession, as I have stated before as well, without so much as minimal words about other games *we few* are interested in even being acknowledged or regarded by SE even minimally.

          Sure, us *few* westerners may not be the majority of SE’s fan base but if they want to cater to certain countries by means of a mobile gaming trend then they are going to also have to take in to consideration gamers and fans of theirs that DONT happen to live in countries that are not a fan of that market. And while the few of us may not be the majority there are definitely enough of us that SE should take our voices in to consideration and apply it.

          Sure , sell your cheap to make mobile games but at the same time they shouldn’t ignore what their other fans and consumers look forward to as well and that just so happens to be non mobile games.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            One:If we did have as much impact as their home country and main audience then maybe they would take your whiny complaints seriously. and no if you don’t understand how the market works then you aren’t entitled to run your mouth off every time you don’t get your way.

            Two: I honestly don’t understand what not getting localizations for the mobile stuff has to do with anything we just now started to get more things in terms of localization and for things we didn’t even think would pass for localization here.

            It’s also super easy to import on a mobile platform, so it’s not like you can’t play it.

            and lastly all your doing is making SE weary of bringing over mobile games. They aren’t going to stop making stuff that has been just fine in japan for years now. So again if you don’t like it then don’t read about it and ignore it. Them making mobile games has nothing to do with them making new games or adding on to their existing franchises to consoles or handhelds.

            Three:
            Again bullcrap, complaining about the fact that you can’t play it just because it might not get localized is really stupid.and makes no sense considering how many games aren’t translated on sony,microsoft and nintendo platforms.

            They also definitely do not have to take your feelings into consideration because it doesn’t affect you. So no they shouldn’t take your stupid opinion seriously, when you don’t even know what your talking about.

          • kthanxyousuck

            I think the arguments here are more against Square Enix. I’m not saying that they shouldn’t make mobile games, I don’t care if they do.

            But when they crank out mobile game after mobile game but we can’t even get a release date for KH3 or any info at all about where in development they are.. A game most console gamers have been waiting 9 years for, you can see where the frustration is.

          • revenent hell

            No this person cant since that’s basically what I said in my first post. Its useless trying to get certain people to see a side other than their own viewpoints.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            >Even though a game is being heavily developed and there hasn’t been a release date because of obvious reasons like I don’t know them trying to work hard on it so they don’t fuck it up the first time around.

            >Must mean that they are spending to much time on mobile games despite SE having many departments and being a large company that divides its work evenly

            That totally isn’t an unreasonable thought or total bullshit at all.

          • revenent hell

            You call my opinions stupid and I will thank you to know yours mean less than that to me.
            Also if you don’t like reading the complaints take your own advice and don’t read them =]

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            It’s too bad that’s all you get when your on these things.

        • Fen Y

          You’re taking criticism Square gets way personally. Do you overidentify a bit much with them – or are you paid by them? Cause if you aren’t, it’s getting really weird.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            Square needs criticism for a lot of things but being angry at them for making games for a market they’ve always made game for is retarded

    • Fen Y

      Square Enix making crappy Smartphone games is getting really old.

    • megaten666

      We complain for a reason.

      • http://twitter.com/#!/kaishou Kaishou

        Square Enix isn’t making a game catered to you…when I mean you I meant you personally?

      • Kumiko Akimoto

        Not really, it’s mostly just whining about something you don’t understand.

    • Juan Manuel M. Suárez

      This complaining about smart phone “gaming” complaining is getting old too~.

      • Kumiko Akimoto

        If one goes away the other goes.

        • Juan Manuel M. Suárez

          So what you are saying is that if mobile games go away people will no longer complain? Fair enough, let’s cross our fingers then~.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            Aahaha I would never suggest something that stupid.
            If you people stop complaining others wouldn’t complain about the retarded logic they use to justify their whining.

          • Juan Manuel M. Suárez

            You are going in circles now, and whining about whiners is kind of cute~.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            Sorry I can’t help it when i see stupid reasoning being used all over the place I just have to call it out

  • Unknown

    I wouldn’t have a problem with mobile games… if they weren’t absolute garbage. 99% of them are shit and by the looks of it no effort was put into it, and the few that do have effort put into them, also have a chance of being crap (Drakerider). If comapnies would actually put some effort into these then I probably would try it, but doubt it.

    • Ferrick

      imho, drake rider was fine, though it took a while for it to build up

    • Anewme…Again

      99% is exagerating, but yeah, a huge majority of mobile games are garbage or carbon copy of other smartphone games with just a new skin.

      • yomachaser

        But that’s every platform really from the nes to now most of what I saw on shelves was junk with a few gems.

        I think people forget the insane scale of whats happening in mobile where more games are being made than ever before so yeah the shit seems endless but the ratio seems to hold IMO between shit and gems of any system before.

  • http://gamgambit.tumblr.com/ Thespian Thief ♢

    *sees first pic*
    Oh, a mobile game right?
    *scrolls*
    Yeeeeep.
    *Moves to other article*

  • Callonia

    Lemme guess, it’s not coming to usa amirite? x.x

    • Judgephoenix

      That seems like another issue to that most from other countries have we can’t play it so what’s the point. Also they have no main games this year coming out except Brave.D. I think the console games are slated for early 2015.

      • Callonia

        okay

  • Hound

    Android and iOS platforms should find a way to start milking these companies for big profits. The market’s getting huge.

  • Sylveria Shini

    New IP was a phone game. Called it.

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