Slow Wii U Sales Still A Thorn In Nintendo’s Side

By Ishaan . May 7, 2014 . 1:29am

Sales of the Nintendo 3DS and Wii U platforms did not reach their projected levels, and as a result, Nintendo’s net sales took a dive during the fiscal year ended March 31st, 2014, the company announced today.

 

Back in January, Nintendo lowered their Nintendo 3DS sales forecast from 18 million to 13.5 million by the end of March 2014. Unfortunately, they only managed to move 12.24 million 3DS units by that point.

 

Meanwhile, their Wii U forecast was lowered from 9 million units to 2.8 million units, but the company only managed to move 2.72 Wii U consoles by the end of March 2014. Wii U software missed its mark as well. Instead of moving 19 million units of Wii U software, Nintendo only managed 18.86 million.

 

As a result, Nintendo posted net sales of 571.7 billion yen and losses of 23.2 billion yen, compared to profits of 7.1 billion yen last year.

 

On a brighter note, Nintendo 3DS hardware sales have reached 43.33 million units worldwide, and Nintendo say that the platform represents a large enough userbase upon which to expand software sales, moving forward. The company cited strong sales of Pokémon X/Y, The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds and other 3DS games as points of note. Going forward, Nintendo say that they will strive to generate “robust profits” from the Nintendo 3DS, by releasing key titles throughout the next year.

 

Meanwhile, in the case of the Wii U, Nintendo pointed to the Wii U GamePad’s NFC functionality as part of their strategy. Details on this front are expected at E3 this year. The company also pointed to Super Smash Bros. and Mario Kart 8 as titles that it hopes will stimulate its Wii U business, alongside the Nintendo eShop and the release of Nintendo DS games for the Wii U Virtual Console.

 

For the fiscal year ahead, Nintendo are projecting net sales of 590 billion yen and profits of 20 billion yen. The company hopes to sell 12 million Nintendo 3DS systems between April 1st, 2014 and March 31st, 2015. Meanwhile, Nintendo hope to sell 3.6 million Wii U consoles during the same period.


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  • Crevox

    “their Wii U forecast was lowered from 9 million units to 2.8 million units”

    Ouch. They really expected much more…

    • Kari

      We all expected much more .. from the system and games..

      • Haganeren

        Not me to be honest… It’s like having a Gamecube all over again ! Just replace “3rd party physical games” by “indies digital games” i suppose…

        • Audie Bakerson

          But what indie game could hope to be half as good as Gotcha Force?

          • Haganeren

            Half ? I hope A Hat in time. Full ? Hum… Don’t see it i suppose.

  • gulabjamal

    This time I feel the Wii U will have a chance once the AAA titles come out. But frankly if it could only move 2.8 million since launch, I don’t think even these titles could sell that same amount in a year much less 3.6.

    But here’s to hoping. Long Live Nintendo!!

  • Griever_Zero

    They actually came pretty close to the hoped numbers.

    But hey its Nintendo, they will turn the Wii U somehow like they did with the 3DS, or it will just be another Virtual Boy.
    It’s not like they haven’t failed before.

    I just hope they will consider a Super Smash Bros. Bundle with Console and 1 or 2 pro controllers. Shame that Smash Bros. is first at December.

    But I can dream^^

    • http://linkapics.tumblr.com/ Linka

      I can definitely see a bundle happening at Christmas, that’s for sure. Smash Brothers is a system seller game, they’re not gonna pass that up.

      • Griever_Zero

        If we look at previous Smash games I’m don’t remember that has existed any Smash bundles before.

        But Mario kart has had a few bundles to this date.

        So if Nintendo are dumb, they will not release a smash bundle like they have always haven’t

        • http://linkapics.tumblr.com/ Linka

          Yeah, but let’s be honest, the climate that the previous Smash games have been released in haven’t been as necessary to push consoles. I mean, even with the Gamecube, it was right after it came out, so there was no point in making a bundle so soon. And the Wii did great, so no point there either.

          Here though? Yeaaah…

    • Juan Manuel M. Suárez

      The Wii U is as doomed as the PSV is. Both systems failed on their first year and now live with a stigma they just can’t shake off. In both cases the market has proven to be quite unforgiving. Truth is, the Wii U has some awesome first party titles now [W101, Pikmin 3, SMWU, DK, WW HD, Zombie U, etc] but it took them too long to get the good games out and by that time, people already had this image that the Wii U has no games. It’s the exact same thing that happened with the PSV, Nintendo should’ve taken notes from Sony’s mistakes in order to avoid them themselves~.

      That, awful marketting and the awful decision of launching a system that is simply not on part with the competition hardware wise. In the mobile market, they can get away with it. But on home consoles, you can’t come out with weaker hardware and expect to profit on account of some first party games. Yes, I know, in the past weaker hardware…but this is the present. And nowadays, for better or worse, specs mean a lot to people~.

  • malek86

    Wii U aside, even the 3DS is slightly worrying now. They missed even the revised forecast, and yearly sales at this point have been well down from even the GBA. It has done decently enough, and it will allow them to sell more games which is good, but what does it says about their next platform? Can they afford to make another similar handheld console? I’m pretty sure they will have to change things.

    • awang0718

      I personally believe 3DS will ultimately outsell GBA, but that is only because GBA lost almost all software support after 4 years, thus killing hardware sales prematurely. I expect the 3DS to sell about 95 million units lifetime, assuming Nintendo’s next handheld is released in 2017.

      As for Nintendo’s next handheld, it should be a handheld-console hybrd, in my opinion. That way, the device will attract handheld gamers and casual home console gamers. Nintendo’s next handheld should also have dual analog sticks, HD 720p graphics, no 3-D, $30 games, and more western-oriented titles. These are all measures Nintendo should take in order to convinve everyone that their next handheld isn’t just a handheld; it is a handheld-console hybrid.

      As for the Wii U, it is currently a complete flop. If Mario Kart and Smash do not boost Wii U sales so that it can meet Nintendo’s sales forecast, the Wii U will never recover. At that point, Nintendo should simply drop the Gamepad, sell the Wii U for $200 or less, hope that casual gamers buy the console due to a cheap price, and focus all of their first party efforts on to the 3DS, which is currently a success. That could push 3DS lifetime hardware sales above 100 million units.

      As for the Wii U successor, Nintendo should drop the “Wii” brand name, make a competitive console with a normal controller, improve their online infrastucture while making still online free, add a fully unified account system, and more western oriented games (Metroid Prime is a start). In other words, Nintendo needs to fight in the console war, along with Microsoft and Sony.

      Wow. That was a long post, but I feel my points need to be made.

  • Shady Shariest

    Let’s just wait for the Mario Kart. Can see it sell a lot.

    • John Diamond

      mario kart is(was) topping amazon charts a lot

      • Shady Shariest

        Now we just wait if it will be enough to get system sales. If they release a bundle, it could very well overwrite their terrible marketing.

        As in… Parents realizing it’s for kids. With Mario. And stuff.

        • http://gentlerobot.com/ Gentle Robot

          There’s a bundle.

          • Shady Shariest

            God Bless them.

        • John Diamond

          there’s a darn good bundle going about.
          one wii-u, wiimote, wii wheel, and one free game

          • Shady Shariest

            Huh. Well. That alone should get them pretty close to the… 3 million was it? quota of selling.

  • http://linkapics.tumblr.com/ Linka

    While this is definitely painful to see, I sure hope this year’s a better case for them. There’s quite a few highly anticipated games in the wings for Nintendo, the biggest of them being Smash Brothers, which is more than guaranteed to push sales.

    I entirely expect bundles for both the 3DS and the Wii U during the respective Smash Brothers releases, and we’ll see the 3DS one announced during E3.

    Also, at the least, there is definite evidence of strong titles being released more often. Kirby is a pretty good release, and Mario Golf (which not my usual taste), does fill in the extra space. Tomadachi Life is coming in June, and their Direct alone will have gotten them at least some sales for it. We’ll have Smash Brothers either in July or August, too.

    As for the Wii U, Mario Kart 8 is definitely big, and people are gonna pick it up due to the great deal they’re doing with it. We’ll most likely hear about other big games during E3, and I almost bet they’re gonna push out the DS VC games right after their own announcements are done– Nintendo loves doing those surprise releases, after all. Zelda U is almost guaranteed to be shown next month, and I’m hoping that the X game and Bayonetta 2 get more solid dates.

    Overall, godspeed Nintendo. Please push your consoles and games more and make them more obvious for the people. I don’t care if you want to focus on the Gamepad or anything, just make consumers realize this is a system, not an upgrade.

    • Sav

      heres a hanky..

    • malek86

      I don’t think the whole “people think it’s an optional controller” is really valid anymore. At this point, I’m more willing to think that casual Wii owners know that the Wii U is a new console, but they just don’t care, since they get their fix elsewhere.

      • TalesOfBS

        Their Wii still works and it still gets Just dance.

      • http://linkapics.tumblr.com/ Linka

        Considering I actually have testimony from someone who worked at Toys’r’Us that basically most of the people who came by didn’t know that the Wii U was a system… It’s a little dire to hear.

        Until things get heard differently, public average consumer knowledge (meaning, people who do not regularly check news sites or do in-depth research) is going to have a big impact on this.

  • https://twitter.com/Onyzora Ony

    I just want a Metroid by Retro Studios :(

    • hng qtr

      I just want a sidescrolling Metroid ;_;

      • Freud_Hater

        I just want an awesome Metroidvania ;_;

      • TalesOfBS

        I want both.

  • shuyai

    they are way over their head with the invent a new controller thing. on the wii the wii controller is simply revolutionary which is why everyone bought one but they wanted to replicate this success again, but by the time wii-u comes out motion controll already lost it novelty and majority simply perfer a traditional controller. i think that the wii-u controller is the single major factor which undermined the wii u. simply put it is uninterested, clunky and worst expensive to make which in turn mean lowed grahic perforamnce on the wii u to cut cost.
    If only wii-u release with a traditional controller or wii remote and the wii-u tab controller as a accessory like kinect to xbox360

    well Nintendo is invincible with mario/smash bro/Zelda and some other. but dam as someone who cant afford game at full price, Nintendo is the bane of my life since their game never drop in price.

  • CptPokerface

    I liked the Wii and the Wii U is getting better and better..but i think it’s high time they drop the whole “Wii” name branding. It only really worked out the first time out with the Wii,and after it made its outstanding sales it basically came to a standstill.

    Their next console needs a completely new name and a different image..one that appeals to families AND gamers alike. And they need to MARKET it. A LOT. Taking region locks out of their systems would be great too.

    I love Nintendo and i want them to do better and better. I love my 3ds and im sure i’ll love the Wii U, too.

    • Haganeren

      Unfortunately, i think it’s too late now. Changing the name will only confuse consumers more. But, the next console shouldn’t have a “Wii” on his name i absolutely agree !

      • CptPokerface

        Yeah haha, that’s exactly what i meant. Should have made that clearer. For better or worse the Wii U should remain as the Wii U.

      • Eder García

        SONY changed the name Playstation 3 (with that Spiderman 3 font letter) to PS3 and it worked, Nintendo should get rid of the Wii name and keep the U at least

        • Otto Cerqueira

          Sony did it because PS3 is shorter and easier to remember. How would they call the Wii U? ‘U’? Doesnt work. It needs to make sense.

          • 60hz

            names don’t have to make sense… XBox One makes even less sense than Wii U and yet it’s not a complete failure… yet… why? MARKETING.

    • TalesOfBS

      That is just stupid.

      • Anime10121

        Why do ya think so? I also believe that the next console should get rid of the Wii moniker…

        • TalesOfBS

          Nevermind, i read it too fast and thought he was saying they should rename the Wii U. lol

          • Anime10121

            Lol, ok, I was like wut :/ :P

      • CptPokerface

        How so?

  • LonelyGuardian

    Better software that isn’t a remake or Mario would help a lot. I just want the GBA games that the WiiU is getting available for my 3DS, cause those aren’t going to sell a WiiU, so why have them only on one system?

    • 60hz

      they did have better software (wonderful 101 springs to mind) but they sell dismal because all nintendo supporters buy are the sequels…

      nintendo needs to train their fan-base to be more open to new-IPs. Sega had a really open fan-base, IPs like shen-mue, jet set radio, space channel 5, chu chu rocket, skies of arcadia, were eaten up by their fan-base. Sega was popping out the new-IP maybe to a fault, so perhaps somewhere in between Sega past direction & Nintendo’s current direction lies an answer…

      • Aaron K Stone

        How can you train the fanbase?

      • LonelyGuardian

        Wonderful 101 is a good example, but the problem is that that has only been 1 game within a year… Nintendo has created somewhat of a vicious cycle in regards to producing sequels for franchises. The upcoming X game and FExSMT are promising, yet more info should’ve been given already to keep any hype. Hopefully, there will be some info on both at E3.

  • transferstudentx

    RIP wii u bury that corpse already it started to smell and start focusing on the 3ds nintendo

  • Ricardo C

    Nintendo wont have my money for this system until Fatal Frame comes out for it. Im just not interested in any of the games on it besides that and Smash Bros but whats the point when I can play Smash Bros. on my 3DS BEFORE the Wii-U version.

    • Hexodious

      Same story here, expect that i’m waiting for Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem crossover, which isn’t even near to a release date.

      • Ricardo C

        Oh dang that sucks, at least you got time to save up right?

    • pokeroi

      The point it it’s not even the same game.

  • Adrián Alucard

    I’m still waiting for first party games (not mario games)

    I bought the MH3U bundle a year ago and I still haven’t buy any game. I can’t see anything interesting

    SMT X FE: missing
    X: no date

    • Anime10121

      Better than me, I bought one at near launch (a week later) and still dont have a game, at least you got a bundled game :/

      Still waiting on

      Smash U
      SMT X FE
      X
      Bayo2

      • Vanadise

        You sound like the kind of guy who would like Wonderful 101.

        • Anime10121

          I was hyped for it, tried the demo, HATED it, and now am still afraid, even at 20 bucks to take the plunge :(

          • PreyMantis

            The demo gives no justice to the full game. After playing both, I can tell you that the demo should just be remove from the eShop since it gives false impression of the game. The full game is fun and challenging with great combos like these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alBdlMRQEbM

          • Anime10121

            I keep hearing the demo was a horrible indication of what direction the full game took (heck its the only reason I’m afraid, which means I still potentially wanna try it, vs outright denying its existance), and those combos do indeed look awesome, but the thing is, would the average player be able to pull off even half of those types of moves…?

          • pokeroi

            If you can play bayo, I say you shouldn’t have any problem. At least even you can’t do combo like this, you will still enjoy the game.

          • Anime10121

            Bayo was pretty much a reskinned DMC, this (well at least from the demo) seems to be an entirely new play style. I could play Bayo from my experiences playing DMC so it was quite easy to pickup and master, this on the other hand would take time to master… And with the already giant list of games I currently own that I know I want to play through… its kinda hard to justify buying into a game and dedicating it to a game I’ve partly experienced (through a less than stellar demo) over things I know I’ll love that I already own.

            If that makes any sense :P

            I still kinda want the game, with me being the Platinum fanboy I am, but dat backlogue + that negative demo experience :/

          • pokeroi

            We are not forcing you XD you can still buy it cheap from a bargain bucket somewhere 2015

          • PreyMantis

            Just like any other game before it, there will be a learning curve. And just like many games before it, the game has tutorials on how to do these. Also, just like other games that came before it, it’s only a common sense that crazy combo chains are for people to explore. You can either experiment and explore them yourself, or you can watch tutorial videos on Youtube like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bya_kIINBfQ

          • Vanadise

            What was it that you didn’t like about the demo? I played the demo and thought it was pretty so-so, but I bought to game anyway to support Platinum, and I was surprised at how much better the full game was.

          • Anime10121

            I honestly cant even remember since its been so long since I played it, I just remember playing the demo, unplugging my Wii U putting it in the closet, and replacing it with my Wii after playing it until the Sonic Lost Worlds demo came out which hilariously enough, made me do the same thing (although in Sonic’s case, it was looking pretty bad from the trailers before it released, so I had reservations about it anyway), where it resides to this day waiting on Smash, or Bayonetta 2 whichever come first (not including SMTXFE or X as I know neither of those will release before the other 2 :P).

      • rurifan

        I feel for you. I bought the original Wii for two games (ToS2 and Fatal Frame 4) and both sucked, then it collected dust forever. Not letting that happen again.

        • Anime10121

          Yep, and did it twice at that… although in the 3DS case, it wasnt anyones fault but Capcoms… (for announcing a demo only to cancel it a couple months later).

    • pokeroi

      If you never played pikmin, you should definitely try it. I never played one before pikmin 3, and now I’m a fan.

      • Adrián Alucard

        Pikmin it’s not my type, I played the first 2 games on a friend’s GC.

        • pokeroi

          Oh I see. Forget it :)

    • Pyrotek85

      Yeah I’m not surprised the outlook hasn’t changed yet since they still don’t have their major releases out. I’m confident things will improve somewhat at least, but the longer it takes the harder it will be. They really should have had at least Mario Kart or Smash Bros ready when it launched in my opinion.

  • Zer0faith
    • http://gentlerobot.com/ Gentle Robot

      Don’t forget – there’s no “killer app”!

      • Audie Bakerson

        As opposed to either of the other 2?

        • Tatsuya1221

          Couple of things to point out, this will be a long post, and is somewhat heavily opinionated, but these are my ardent beliefs.

          One could argue that third parties makes up some of the differences, i’d say this biggest issue is the fact that nintendo has not put forth anything that is out of the ordinary for nintendo, also there is the fact that many of the wii-u’s upcoming games, despite their popularity, are still not something that the average non nintendo fan may want to play.

          Take mario kart 8 and smash 4, both popular franchises among nintendo fans, but they do not have the appeal outside of the fanbase that for instance, bayonetta 2 or X could have, the point here is nintendo needs more than mario and zelda to attract people from outside of their fanbase to the wii-u, as someone like me, who has owned every nintendo console and handheld (sans the virtual boy) up until the gamecube, i can make it clear why i bought each console.
          Nes:obvious.
          SNES:Final Fantasy
          N64:was given to me, actually the start of my doubt of nintendo.
          GC:skies of arcadia legends and phantasy star online.
          GB:megaman mostly.
          GBA:phantasy star collection, LOZ:LttP and final fantasy 1 and 2.
          DS:Devil survivor, SMT:strange journey.
          3DS:Tales of the abyss, SMT:IV and Bravely Default.

          My point here is, nintendo’s own tried and true IP’s aren’t enough, they need new ip’s that aren’t either platformer, or a nintendo sports type game (mario kart, smash).

          Bring back metroid prime, that can bring some of the FPS crowd.
          Get some good rpg’s on the console, x is good but whether it will be enough is another question.
          A few good action games besides bayonetta 2 would be a good idea as well, as bayonetta can be a pretty divisive series.
          Fatal frame is a good idea as well, but it’s only a start.

          Basically what i’m saying is, nintendo needs something new, their old ip’s may please the nintendo fans, but most of the people who grew up with nintendo have moved on from them, and the average age of gamers today is in their mid to late 20′s, i loved super mario world, but i’m tired of the plumber which at this point has turned into hate for the plumber, which in turn makes me turn against the parent company, which is pretty common for many people who turned against nintendo.

          Also, there are some ip’s they should revisit for their fans obviously, F-Zero and star fox for instance.

          I will get a wii-u for X, but as of right now, unless sonic boom is a masterpiece, it and SMT X FE will be the only 2 games i get on the console.

          Also, side point, but iwata’s planned DS E-Store sales are going to be hurt significantly by the fact that the games are tied to the consoles and not an account, i have not bought a single thing from the E-shop for that very reason, if my console dies, so too do i lose my E-Shop purchases.

          This is what i believe honestly, it may be heavily opinionated, but it’s the truth from my standpoint.

          • Symbol de Au

            Well first off, that isn’t really a long post.

            Anyway I highly doubt this is a problem, but this isn’t why I’m responding to this post. The reason is because you mentioned X and Bayonetta 2. Those games are practically nothing. Most people have never heard of Xenoblade or Bayonetta. What the heck is a non-Nintendo fan? Answer: no one cares. They’re also practically nothing. These games and these people mean next to nothing. They aren’t going to help sales. F-zero? Star fox? The only reason I know about those is Smash Bros. They’re not important at all. They wouldn’t sell consoles. They don’t need to resurrect them for the fans.

            Do you really think anyone cares about the twenty fans of those games that said they weren’t buying another Nintendo console until they announced a new one?

            Fans are weirdos. Weirdos are rarities. There are people who buy the consoles and people who don’t. There’s no reason to cater to people calling themselves non-fans. Normal people don’t say “I started to lose faith in Nintendo at this point” normal people don’t talk about their faith in the company. Either they want it or they don’t.

            Some of that is even bold-faced lies or irrelevant. “Most of the people have moved on”? Really? Then why have sales numbers increased(or at the least remained constant)? More kids playing? Even if it is more kids do you think they care who’s buying? It doesn’t matter.

            The reasons you’re buying the console also don’t matter. You’re not representative of the average consumer. You’re weird. The people who bothered to click on this article are weird.(yeah me too) Only weirdos care about the Wii U sales numbers. Do you think any of this matters? It doesn’t. I don’t know what the Wii U needed to sell better but it certainly wasn’t any of the things you mentioned.

          • Aaron K Stone

            I wouldn’t call xenoblades sales nothing. It do nearly a million and that was on the wii during its last few months.

          • Symbol de Au

            A million seller isn’t a system seller when 20 million sellers apparently aren’t.

          • Aaron K Stone

            Never said it was a system seller, but considering how well it did at the time it was released and zero advertising I think it did ok for itself and it certainly got Monolith Soft some notice, which can only be positive now since X is getting some attention.

          • TalesOfBS

            It did pretty good, especially after NoA denying it for america and later practically killing the sales by making it Gamestop exclusive.

          • Tatsuya1221

            I think your missing my point, my point is simple, they need new content, relying on their old franchises isn’t going to cut it anymore, look at the wii, what made it so successful?

            It wasn’t the games, it was the casual crowd, which nintendo will not get back, right now the wii-u is looking to be the same as the gamecube, and the reason nintendo sold so little consoles when it came to the gamecube is 2 things, proprietary disc type that limits the game (which the wii-u has btw) and a lack of diverse content, where was devil may cry? Zone of the enders? Final Fantasy X?

            The path to profitability is simple, but not an easy road to take, look at the vita, sure the console may not sell very good, but it’s profitable, why?
            Lots of jrpg’s on it, and as a jrpg fan, i can tell you that jrpg fans are some of the biggest spenders, in other words, it has a niche that makes it profitable, nintendo’s ip’s aren’t doing that for the wii-u, the gamecube had that little niche with some of the third party ip’s that went to it, the wii-u doesn’t.

            Then there is their other option, compete with sony and ms, for this they need 2 things, more third party support, and games exclusive to the system that will draw in crowds from their competitors, sony has uncharted, killzone, infamous, little big planet, twisted metal and so forth, covering multiple styles of games and multiple age groups, nintendo’s games while enjoyable by adults, does not draw new people to the wii-u, just as it didn’t draw people to the gamecube.

            Basically, nintendo needs to either fill a niche, or they need to compete directly with sony and ms, otherwise i do not see the wii-u ever being profitable, the system specs aren’t what’s holding it back, it’s nintendo’s, or i should say iwata’s, overall intent with the wii-u that’s making it struggle.

            Oh and do not underestimate bayonetta 2 and X, especially X, xenoblade sold around 860,000 units worldwide according to vgchartz, 400,000 of them in north america alone(which is ironic as the game was only sold at nintendo stores and gamestop exclusively in north america, which limited it’s success), it may not be a million seller, but people will buy the system for it, and right now nintendo needs to sell systems, not just games, after buying the system, it’s alot easier to justify buying a game for it.

          • planetofthemage

            VGChartz numbers are notoriously bad, FYI.

          • Tatsuya1221

            I’m aware of that, however even nintendo said it sold the best in north america, either way it exceeded nintendo’s expectations globally.

          • planetofthemage

            Oh shoot — I misread your comment. I thought you were commenting about them being low.

            The numbers from VGChartz are much lower than the reality, I’m pretty sure.

          • Symbol de Au

            um yeeeeaaahhh. Do you know how many times I’ve seen that line? I’m pretty sure their old franchises are gonna cut it, and there’s no evidence to the contrary. Their old franchises have been enough for over 25 years and nothing has happened to change that. Well maybe it has and maybe there is evidence but I don’t see it. People said the same thing about the 3DS but it seems like the games were never the important thing in the first place.

            The way I see it, it wasn’t the games that sold Wii’s, it was the controller. Maybe you’re right about Gamecube but I have no idea why the Gamecube sold badly. I don’t really care either.

            I’m pretty sure the Vita is only profitable to the developers and not Sony so I guess if Nintendo wants to make money for other people they can find a niche. Yeah sure they can develop a niche title and make sales but if it sells less than their main titles what’s the point?

            What you don’t understand is that most people who like these niche titles don’t only like these niche titles. Just because a niche title sells 800k doesn’t mean that there will be 800k new buyers. Most of the 800k would have already bought for different reasons. Maybe you’ll get 200k more buyers for a niche title like Xenoblade but that’s likely being overly generous. I wouldn’t know though I ain’t no sales expert.

            I actually had a lot more written before I realized what you were trying to say, I still think you’re wrong though. If you’re talking spanning multiple genres to call in multiple crowds Nintendo already does that. You can argue that they haven’t yet done that for the Wii U but they did do it for the Gamecube and that still sold poorly. I doubt the variety is the problem. To be honest though? I just want the Wii U to sell better so people will stop talking about it. I don’t even understand why people care so much…Epiphany!

            From all I’ve read and heard of people talking about it I realize why they care. It’s just a reason to get onto them for not catering to them properly. It’s the “I was right I knew if you kept doing things the way I don’t like everyone would turn against you” type thing. From Journalists to commenters that’s exactly what’s being said. I’m not trying to offend I just really just realized, it was starting to bother me that so many people cared. Then there are the huge fans of Nintendo that care because they’re huge fans but that was obvious.

            Hahaha well now I know and can stop caring myself XD. I don’t even have a Wii U. I wanna get one for Mario Kart, Smash Bros., X and some other things. Also the Mario Kart deal entices me to get it sooner. I’m just me though.

            Back to your argument. I don’t think you’re right but you might be. Like I’ve said before I’m not an expert on sales or what makes sales.

          • Tatsuya1221

            If their old ip’s were working, they wouldn’t be losing money, i really do not have the time to explain this again so i’ll just say it like this, their old ip’s are not enough to keep them profitable, licensing to third parties, is what makes all 3 consoles profitable, which is why the vita is doing fine, and sony is making money off of it.
            Nintendo does not have enough third parties making wii-u games to make it profitable, and while smash 4 and mario kart 8 will probably make them profitable for the fiscal quarter they come out in, they will not sustain the wii-u throughout it’s lifetime.

            As for the wii, well i just point to wii sports and the most profitable new ip of the wii’s lifespan, wii fit.
            Nintendo cannot count on games like this sustaining the wii-u indefinitely, the people who played wii sports have moved onto the mobile market, and aren’t really interested in the wii-u.

            That said, i agree, it may be best to just agree to disagree on this topic.

          • Symbol de Au

            Can you link me to the article or interview that says Sony is making money from Vita? Because the closest thing I found was someone saying developers were making more than they do on mobile but nothing about Sony themselves making money…which is pretty much what I said without mentioning mobile. I also found a few from 2011 saying that Vita would be profitable day one next to others saying Kaz expected it to become profitable within three years.

            Oh this explains it. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/111004-Sony-Sends-Mixed-Messages-on-PS-Vitas-Profitability

            But where did you read they’re actually making money?

          • Tatsuya1221

            Unfortunately i cannot find it either, i know i read it in january but the only thing i can find is that each vita console makes money.

            That said, just ignore that part of my post, if i can’t find the news story i can’t prove it.

          • Aaron K Stone

            So what are you saying? That Nintendo are screwed if they rely on tried and tested franchises to try to boost sales and that they’re screwed if the release anything new?

        • http://gentlerobot.com/ Gentle Robot

          I thought we were being sarcastic

      • pokeroi

        Depends on for who.

    • TalesOfBS

      Doesn’t sell because Iwata. He is failing miserably at adding and showing the value of the console.

      • rurifan

        To be fair, he has a tough sell to make. Weak hardware and consumers don’t care about the gimmick this time.

        • TalesOfBS

          > Weak hardware
          That just killed any sense your comment could make.

          • rurifan

            Go ahead and deny reality. Try “LA LA LA I CAN’T HEAR YOU!”; it’s a popular refrain for Nintendo fans.

          • TalesOfBS

            Oh i see, you are a total retard.

          • rurifan

            Keep singing, maybe by the time you unplug your ears Nintendo will have a competitive console out.

          • Eder García

            the UK is demanding next gen graphics from Nintendo, so that comment is valid at some point
            (i am not from there, but i chatted with UK guys)

          • TalesOfBS

            If you want “next gen graphics” then just get a PC.
            But if he mean the Wii U being exactly on pair with the Xbox One and PS4, then yes, i was expecting that too.

            Iwata thought that the gamepad itself would sell the system. They haven’t even showed a game that actually makes it completely necessary for playing.
            They taking so much time to announce a new Fatal Frame, and not even announcing it worldwide on a ND is just another proof of that.
            The idea was awesome, the execution was horrible.

          • rurifan

            Well we can agree on horrible at least. :)

    • landlock

      I haven’t brought a WiiU game since The Wonderful 101 many months ago and until Bayonetta 2 is released don’t think I ‘ll be buying another. :(

      • Juan Manuel M. Suárez

        There’s MK8 this month though, assuming the franchise appeals to you~.

    • transferstudentx

      http://www.ps3hax.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/PS3-Slim-Black-01.jpg
      ps3 says hello oh wait this is a LAST GEN console my bad but this still beats the wii u hands down in pretty much everything but power ( slightly better specs) it’s not just because of marketing

      • Guest

        The same exact argument could be made for any seventh gen console, Wii, DS, PSP, Xbox 360; they have advantage due their time on the market.

        • transferstudentx

          hmm thats not exactly my point why should we as consumers buy a next gen system thats weaker than the other next gens systems,no decent games for it yet and in the end some people just blame the lack of sales completely on marketing

          • Anime10121

            Wait…please tell me you’re not suggesting PS3 has no gamez =/ (for real, I’m literally not understanding your comparison here, I thought you just posted the pic cuz they’re both black :/)

          • Guest

            i am comparing the wii u to the ps3 here

          • Anime10121

            But they arent really comparable…
            as when the PS3 first came out it:

            While it had all that (in the image) + region free gaming, it DID sale well (constantly and consistently selling overall more than the 360 did on a year by year basis) it just failed to sell as well as its predecessors…which is looking extremely likely that NO home console will ever be that successful again (PSone OR PS2 wise).

            And on your actual text, PS3 was the strongest of the last gen consoles (in comparison to Wii U which is the weakest of this gen’s). It did have a slow start to getting good games, but it still had 3rd party support which got it some pretty decent games the first couple years (Wii U isnt really getting)…

            So again, I’m not really getting the comparison…

          • ronin4life

            Uh, PS3 did NOT sell well…
            360 regularly tronced it everywhere except Japan, were it sold decently.

            I’m pretty sure even WiiU did better by this point.

          • Anime10121

            Yes, it actually did, it sold well everywhere except for the US and the UK, it lead saleswise generally everywhere else for generally the entire generation :/

            Also, no, the WiiU is not doing better, its been out for 18 monts and hasn’t even hit 7 million. The PS3 at that point had already surpassed 12 and was inching on up to 13 at 12.85 million at this same point in its life :/

            http://www.shacknews.com/article/52692/ps3-sales-top-12m-units

          • ronin4life

            PS3 was behind 360 in your article. It was posting behind 360 WW its entire life, and most likely still is. I have been hearing for at least 3 years now that it had started “Beating” 360, but sales reports and software trends imply otherwise. PS3 was always “Last”, and I stopped believing otherwise when I quit going to N4G.

            But My WiiU comment was a grossly inaccurate estimation. That WiiU is out-performing PS3 in Japan respective 1st years, coupled with poor PS3 perception during that time for itself made me wrongly assume it was doing better overall. Woops.
            ^ ,^;;

          • Anime10121

            Ps3 came out a year after 360, the fact that it even caught up to the 360 at all means that it was performing better than the 360 during its life cycle. It was last sales wise for the majority of its life, but it also was the last console to release. It performed better yearly than the 360 on average. Now software wise on most multiplats, sure the 360 generally sold more, but hardware saleswise, the PS3 performed better World wide.

          • ronin4life

            Yet it is still yearly underperforming 360 last I had heard.

            And further, with PS4 and ONE Ps3 sales have plummeted in the states, which I hadn’t heard of 360 to such an extent. People still want 360s, but are opting for a PS4 for Playstation.

            Xbox is synonymous with last gens gaming as PS4 seems to be this gen. Which, in retrospect, is funny considering Wii will never be beat by any of these hardware or software… and is treated like a disease.
            >ͺ<;;

          • Guest

            Who cares about power? The millions that bought the Wii didn’t, myself included.

            Freshness on software/hardware is the most important thing to conquer the demanding mainstream market. And they, as Symbol de Au said, “either they want it or they don’t”. But that ship is long gone for all consoles. Neither has a appeal to the masses.

            Marketing is here mainly the tool to fool people like us, “gamers”. And it’s being discussed it because that’s the only lease on life for consoles of the eighth generation, to catch people like us and make us spend money on them.

          • phayroent

            Devs care about power. Gamers care. If fresh software is the most important, then why are people still talking about Mario games? And Zelda? Those are the oldest franchises around. Maybe the stagnant Nintendo characters are why no one is buying the Wii U, if I use your “logic” that fresh software is what’s needed. But W101 was new, and it failed too. So what are your really trying to say?

          • Guest

            In short to answer you: Developers will go where there is money to be made. Gamers are a niche. Yes, it is. And ultimately the answer is PC if the primary concern is “power”. Fresh software doesn’t mean exactly ‘new settings’, in this rich medium it could mean new game mechanics. The Wonderful 101 is aimed to ‘gamers’, a stagnant market, it was never aimed to the mainstream.

            Now to explain it to you, read first the comments I reply. Raw specs weren’t the bigger issue here. Which is the target market and how is approached is the industry problem.

            I didn’t even touch the “no decent games for it” part as it’s quite subjective.

            And marketing is usually the object of discussion, as it’s the opportunity for Wii U to pull a limited sales success like PS4 or even 3DS among the small market.

          • ronin4life

            Devs don’t care about power. Power costs money.

            They like to talk as if they care about power, because it make them look better in the eyes of the people they cater to. This includes belittling anything that isn’t “On par” with their target market’s expectations too. It is all part of their marketing set-up.

    • ShawnOtakuSomething

      Marketing problems
      Naming it the Wii-U was the bigist issues *
      releasing to early *should have waited and use better hardwere*

    • subsamuel01

      Marketing is the Wii U biggest problem, people I know still think the Wii and Wii U are the same thing.

      • 60hz

        true, but i have to admit Wii U is a WAY better name than XBox One… which i still get confused about every time i hear it mentioned…

        • subsamuel01

          Yea, but Xbox 360 became the main console last generation which is why people just automatically jump to the Xbox One. Plus third parties are only supporting the X1 and PS4 right now, with the exception of Ubisoft.

    • neo_firenze

      Or you could rewrite the meme and include the significant downsides to the console instead of conveniently ignoring them:

      Has underpowered hardware, poorly implemented online strategy, no interesting third party games, odd gimmicks that are hard for developers to take advantage of, no semblance of meeting industry standards for user account functionality, all for a cost that’s still significantly higher than the similar power PS3/360 and not that much lower than a PS4?

      Doesn’t sell because… isn’t it obvious?

      • rurifan

        But wait, this almost sounds like you’re suggesting that Nintendo themselves might be at fault for releasing a bad product.

        • Morningstar

          Never realized that Nintendo was a Sacred Cow.

      • ronin4life

        Except the hardware really isn’t as under-powered as it is being made out to be, as if that were ever an important point anyway(DS, Wii, PS2, 3DS), the online strategy isn’t too far fro its competitors and is free, has just as many exclusives as it’s competitors including 3rd party original IP, the “Gimmicks” are present in PS4 and ONE and are just as easy to ignore should a dev choose, and all at $100 price difference which is NOT something to shrug off if the economy is as bad as we all seem to think it is..

        The only thing that is true here is the account functionality. Going forward, they plan to fix this. Still won’t help sales though, because that isn’t part of the problem at all.

        IMAGE is the only problem, and it is an image that has been growing with them since the 64. And based on how the industry is run, there isn’t any way of escaping that.

  • pokeroi

    Hope Nintendo can find that differentiation that they need

  • Anime10121

    3.6 mil for the coming fiscal YEAR doesnt instill a lot of confidence for Wii U…
    Hopefully they still plan on at the least, releasing X and Bayo2 this year (not mentioning Smash as it has already been pegged for “this winter” though that could mean anywhere from December to March)…

    • ronin4life

      I could see them internally “expecting” twice that and still forecasting what they did.

      The fact they are projecting more sold YoY with how bad sales have been is pretty big in and of itself.

      • 60hz

        i’m sure internally they “expecting” 100 times that amount lol

  • Hexodious

    The region lock is the reason why I still haven’t brought a Wii U yet. But the main reason is simple because the Wii U doesn’t have that many JRPGs and RPGs that I like.

    • rurifan

      Many? Any?

      • Hexodious

        Barely to none.

      • http://gentlerobot.com/ Gentle Robot

        I can’t think of any. Not even virtual console games. I think Child of Light is the first RPG on the system.

        • TalesOfBS

          He wouldn’t buy the system even if it had tons of them.
          Basically just another hypocrite.

          • Hexodious

            I own a 3DS with tons of RPGs on it. Your argument is invalid, jackass.

          • TalesOfBS

            and yet owned a Vita with nothing to play.

            Duh. I see your standards.

          • Hexodious

            Nothing to play on? I have got enough games on my Vita to play on. Games which I enjoy, not what you enjoy.

            If you’re trying to be a retarded Nintendo fanboy just because I don’t want to buy a Wii U at the moment than you’re doing horrible job at it. Try harder or fail trying.

          • TalesOfBS

            You are the one being the retarded fanboy with the same old comment “doesn’t have the games i want” no mater how many good are and there WILL be on the system. Yet, lol PS4.
            Double standards much?

          • Nightmare637

            A game can be good and still not catch someone’s interest. >_>

            I don’t like Pokémon very much, the games more or lees don’t interest me(minus the ruby/sapphire remake) I still consider them good games though.

            and you shouldn’t use the word “retarded”, It’s offensive and makes you like a child.

            that goes to both of you by the way. :P(I’m not typing out two separate replies)

          • TalesOfBS

            Sorry but i hate when people act like hypocrites. Tired of reading the same “excuse” all over the internet.

          • Hexodious

            Oh really? I did the same with the 3DS, I didn’t bought the 3DS until it had more RPGs were released on it based on my tastes, and It did.
            Same story with Vita, especially with the current western line-up of this year, which i’m liking so far.

            Fail trying.

        • Aaron K Stone

          Earthbound.

          • http://gentlerobot.com/ Gentle Robot

            oo. yeah.

    • TalesOfBS

      Says the dude who buys a PS4 with Killzone and Knack.

      • Hexodious

        Says the dude who buys a Xbox One with CoD: Ghost and Titanfall.

        • 60hz

          Says the dude who buys Ouya for towerfall. (OK i just felt like we should keep this thread going!)

          • ronin4life

            How do they know what each other bought?

            O.o;;

          • Nightmare637

            Nanomachines, The answer is always Nanomachines.

          • Hexodious

            Says the dude who buys a pepsi machine with N64 emulator built-in.

    • NimbusStev

      I totally agree that region locking is awful, and I respect you if you’re simply just boycotting the Wii U out of principle… but let’s be honest. Are there really any worthwhile Wii U games that we can’t get due to region locking?

      • Hexodious

        Nope, there isn’t. I just hate region locks in general. I’m already disappointed enough with the Shin Megami Tensei IV stuff not being brought over here.

        • NimbusStev

          Ah okay, you’re from Europe. I don’t blame you at all then!

  • TalesOfBS

    12m 3DS, 3.6m Wii U. One year.
    I think it is safe to say that Iwata is giving up on the Wii U in favor of the 3DS (and probably that QoL stuff).
    I hope they at least keep Zelda, X, SMTxFE and Yoshi on the Wii U instead of delaying them so they can make and release 3DS versions first like they are doing with Smash Bros.

    • pokeroi

      That’s a wrong interpretation. 3DS is released a year before Wii U, and 3DS received more 3rd party games than Wii U, so of course 3DS will sells more. Nintendo focused much more on Wii U than 3DS recently, so they are not giving up on Wii U.
      And about SSB, where did you pull the information that they delayed the Wii U version to release 3DS version first? When did they announced that both game will be available together?

      • TalesOfBS

        3DS version getting more content and getting released first.
        Wii U version getting less content and a vague “winter”.
        Yeah, totally not delayed.

        • pokeroi

          Nope. Who told you 3DS version has more content? From what I learned, both 3DS and WIi U has unique mode. Plus, Wii U version has better visual, better music, different arenas. In addition, let’s be honest, a 3DS game takes less time to create than a Wii U game. So no, the game is not delayed.

  • CozyAndWarm

    I don’t see good things for Nintendo systems after Wii U. It’s gonna be the Gamecube–>Wii demographic shift all over again. Wii U’s been outputting mostly “core” games (two Platinum games, Xenoblade 2, Monster Hunter, Pikmin, Fatal Frame, SMTxFE, etc), but those games take a LOT of resources to make, especially when they’re released as complete games with no DLC to make cash later. Siliconera seems like the perfect demographic for these sorts of games, but based on these comments no one here cares.

    I still remember the Gamecube days. Despite “core” exclusives and amazing first-party quality (along with amazing hardware), the thing was shunned by gamers and developers alike. People moaned and complained whenever it had a good exclusive, refusing to buy the system DESPITE having game(s) they wanted. It’s the exact same situation now, except while people claim they’re picky about the library or waiting for that ONE game, they’re buying up PS4s en masse, despite having a library of essentially nothing but western multiplatform games, and paid online and tons of DLC to boot!

    Nintendo’s next console, whatever form it takes, is definitely going to try to appeal to the mass market like the Wii. And then gamers are going to moan and complain about that too, even though they moaned and complained even when Nintendo DID develop/fund the kinds of games they say they want.

    I just don’t get it. What am I missing here? /rant over

    • Anime10121

      Youre missing the fact that none of those games you’ve mentioned besides the Monhun 3 port (which can also be played on 3DS) and Pikmin 3 (which never was a “core” game that people outside of Nintendo’s core audience wanted) have actually RELEASED, or even have release dates as of yet. We have NO information on any of them outside the fact that they are coming :/

      • Aaron K Stone

        How is Pikmin 3 not a core game despite not being a casual game.

        • Anime10121

          Didnt say it wasnt a core game period, just that it wasnt really all that important outside of Nintendo’s core audience. Evidence is that even Nintendo admitted to it (along with tW101) failing to increase hardware sales or the fact that the game as of yet (which is where the problem lies, the Wii U is seemingly capturing a majority of only the big N’s core audience much like the Gamecube), has failed to ship a million units, whereas games like Mario and the Zelda remake did so in the span of a few months…

          Not saying its a bad game (even though I never cared for them), or its a casual game i.e. its not, just that its not important to people outside of Nintendo’s own Pikmin fans.

          • ronin4life

            That was an argument made during the GC days…

            you only proved his point…

          • Anime10121

            Which only inadvertently proved my own considering thats exactly what I said :/

          • ronin4life

            The thing is, what is a “Pikmin” fanbase? How are they not appealing to “non-Nintendo” gamers? What makes a “Nintendo” gamer different from any other?

            These are ages old arguments that have been contradicting themselves for nearly 2 decades now, and are never levied against Sony or MS brands/hardware. Because at the end of the day, they are incredibly nebulous and make no real sense.

      • CozyAndWarm

        The PS4 and XB1′s big hitters being way, way off hasn’t stopped tons of people from buying and praising them…

        • Anime10121

          They have better graphic versions of Call of Duty and Assasins Creed, which is all a lot of folk need to justify it :/

          They also have a noticeable difference in graphics for the few quality exclusives they have. Wii U in many cases look like HD Wii games, at worst and a tiny bit better than PS360 at best.

    • TalesOfBS

      Not “exactly” the same thing, the Wii U games people want are coming out too late. Yes, the PS4 and Xbox One are selling on Hype and
      >FPS games
      but Nintendo screwed up it too hard. If they really started working on the Wii U in 2010, with dev kits ready by 2011, then these releases should all be ready by now.
      They probably thought that HD development was a piece of cake while the history showed something completely different, with a lot of third parties redirecting their Wii/DS profits to the struggling PS360 HD development.

  • ギャビン

    I just want a new F-Zero and StarFox game…

  • SaiyanJedi_Trunks

    Nintendo has done a terrible job marketing and giving a reason for people to want to invest in the console while they can either stick with their last gen consoles or for a little more investment upgrade to a PS4 or Xbox One.

    Mario Kart 8 and SSB arrive this year as well as Bayonetta 2, Hyrule Warriors and hopefully X. MK8 is trending very popular right now so I hope it can help Nintendo gain some momentum for the system. As an FYI, I own a WiiU and do love it.

  • http://people.ign.com/rob1610 rob1610

    Well, if Smash Bros can’t put a dent in the sales, then I’m afraid this is the Gamecube all over again…

    • pokeroi

      Hopefully it will be GC all over again, because GC was at least profitable.

    • Christopher Nunes

      Gamecube wasn’t profitable? I remember LOVING that system and the games it came out with. Like Custom Robo, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles (they need to bring this to the Wii U’s Virtual Console), Smash Melee, Pokemon, Sonic Adventure, Soul Calibur 2 (I think the Gamecube version sold the most).

      Kinda find it hard to believe it didn’t do so hot. I can understand the PS2 being the king during that era, I loved the PS2 and the games it had on it as well, but I thought the Gamecube did well on its own.

      • Guest

        It was profitable. In fact, Nintendo made more net profit with the Gamecube than what SCE did with the PS2. So yeah, it was good financially for the company.

        • Christopher Nunes

          I see, but why does everyone talk about the Gamecube like it was Nintendo’s biggest failure? I thought it did great, unlike the Virtual Boy which I wasn’t aware of it until only a month ago.

          • Guest

            Good question. In my opinion Gamecube did well serving the ‘gamers’ with amazing titles, a complete step up from the 64. And it was a great juncture to realize many things that will serve to achieve the Wii, like realizing which market they got to direct their attention.

            But Gamecube’s raw sales numbers next to PS2′s aren’t as impressive by comparison and people go overboard failing to notice other stuff like the reasons of the sales, attach rate and situation of the market at that time.

          • Christopher Nunes

            I see, that’s interesting to know. How was the Xbox during that time?

            I had both the Gamecube and PS2 and I loved both of them and the great titles they both had to offer, Xbox I wasn’t aware how much of a console it was so I didn’t get one (or my brother got one) until near the near of it’s life.

            I think the Wii U is great but the small Memory Storage is what kinda killed it for most as the PS3 started with 50GB and I upgraded to 500GB for HD space and the Black Wii U had like what? 30GB of space? Kinda bad especially in this day and age with digital download which take up a lot of memory space.

            And the lack of major titles at launch and the low game titles for the Wii U is what’s killing it. The PS4 and Xbox One are also like that (what the heck is wrong with developers not launching their consoles with big time game titles? You can’t expect a game console to sell well on Launch Day if you don’t have something amazing to go with it).

            I see the PS4 and Xbox One getting very good games soon while the Wii U which came out first and had a good amount of time to get a head start is now falling behind.

            Not that I don’t like some of the Wii U titles (I have a PS4 and only 3 physical games for it and 3 digital ones, FFXIV: ARR, DCUO, and Outlast) and have a few but Nintendo really needs to market their console a bit more and have concrete release dates for their games. Right now, not even looking at Wii U titles.

          • Guest

            Xbox? Pure losses :p They are still in red numbers overall. The first years I believe is unsurprising as they invested in R+D, marketing, an online infrastructure, etc. then the 360 came early, but yeah red numbers everywhere, I think they begun reporting profits since the merger (?) with the Entertainment & Devices Division as that includes Windows Phone, tablets, Zune and what not.

          • Christopher Nunes

            And yet everyone complains about Nintendo’s Gamecube… OK then. Not sure how the Xbox One is doing (except the first announcement for it… very bad impression on the system) though I wonder if it’s doing better than the Wii U at the moment.

      • http://people.ign.com/rob1610 rob1610

        Maybe it did. As far as I remember, the Gamecube did horribly in Australia. All I remember is buying my Gamecube(s) and most of my games from Singapore where I lived at the time, then importing once I moved back to Australia because I couldn’t find or play the games I wanted. Also, it doesn’t matter how much we love the games. If the console does poorly, it does poorly. I say this because some of my most precious memories as a teenager were spent playing the Dreamcast and Gamecube.

  • Kornelious

    This whole situation has been worked to death. All’s we can hope is that Super Smash Bros. brings up the sales…….

  • lordsofskulls

    X and Monster Hunter only reason I am buying console this month and maybe Mario games as well

  • Earthjolly

    I told people 3DS sales were’t THAT good.

    • Guest

      3DS’ sales are the best any dedicated gaming console will see on this generation. That’s what happens when companies restrict themselves to a single (niche) market.

    • http://www.segalization.com/ Kuronoa

      But it isn’t a failure either. Pretty normal all round.

      • rurifan

        So normal Nintendo grovels to shareholders and promises the fix the situation…

        • http://www.segalization.com/ Kuronoa

          Grovel about the 3DS? Because of the two, Wii U is the one that is in trouble.

          • rurifan

            The 3DS keeps failing to meet (event their revised) sales predictions. Did you read this article?

          • ronin4life

            Failing to *Just* reach revised forecasts that were too high at first.

            3DS is still the best selling console WW. Investors know this too. If they are disappointed, it would be in the industry as a whole and Nintendo’s bad forecasting before the 3ds itself.

          • Aaron K Stone

            That doesn’t mean it’s doing badly though.

  • $51888021

    The worst part is that this is gonna make it very hard for me to find someone to borrow a Wii-U from when Bayonetta 2 comes around.

    • SaiyanJedi_Trunks

      lol! borrow? I understand you must not have money to invest in the system, but I have never heard anyone say it like that. I hope you get to enjoy it one day though.

      • darke

        I expect the ‘borrow’ is because it’s insanity to buy a system for one game, since it sounds like that’s the only game Retrobrigade wants to play.

  • NeptuniasBeard

    I don’t know, all those numbers seem just shy of their forcast(though I guess they are just shy of forcasts that were already cut lol). But I guess big-wigs are sticklers for that kind of thing. Still, getting 18.86 out of 19 doesn’t really sound that bad… sounds like a solid A effort to me.
    Will WiiU make a complete turnabout? I doubt it, but I hope it can at least do well enough to lighten up people’s perceptions a bit, like the GameCube.

    In the end though, it’s all about the games Ninty, keep giving me what I want, and you won’t hear a complaint outta this guy! But ummm… it’s been about 3 months since you gave me a retail release, and NES Remix can only last so long…

  • ShawnOtakuSomething

    The gamecube of this gen :( hopefully Smash bros will pick up sells

    • Nightmare637

      I actually liked my Gamecube, it had some fun games.

      I’m not really interested in anything on the Wii U though.

  • LustEnvy

    Time for a new Nintendo console. Yes, it sucks that the Wii U is failing, but trying to stop a sinking ship stuck between to massive battleships (ps4/xb1), is futile. Cut your losses and make a system EVERYONE wants. Something to compete with the big boys and bring back 3rd party interests. It’s not like the Wii U is Ninty’s only failure. They can bounce back.

    Also, for the love of god, drop the Wii name. And DS for that matter. Bring back the Gameboy name for whatever portable comes next, and maybe call the next system simply a Nintendo, Like Neo NES or something. Go back to the roots.

    • TalesOfBS

      They aren’t Sega. They will keep supporting it for the next 4 years or more, even if you guys hate that fact.

      • LustEnvy

        Not disagreeing. I know they will. They will continue to lose money for 4 more years because of pride. Unlike Sega, pretty sure Nintendo can bounce back. They have killer IPs like Mario, Zelda, MK, and Pokemon. Sega only really had Sonic.

        Like the Virtual Boy, consider this a loss, and make the best system they can make, NOW.

        • TalesOfBS

          You are forgetting one thing: It is Nintendo, they are japanese jews.
          HD development takes time and it is expensive. They already wasted a lot of money adapting their studios to it and making the Wii U. They are going to keep it alive until they can recover it.

        • ronin4life

          Sega died trying to force themselves into a comeback, piling mistakes upon mistakes and rushed developments on rushed monetary expidenture.

          Nintendo will be back to profits soon, regardless of how WiiU continues. Just like they were with GC.

          Pride has nothing to do with it.

          • TalesOfBS

            - Nintendo not experiencing a loss from hardware anymore

            Hardware business is already back at profit. Confirmed today by Iwata.
            Also

            - Iwata: not hopeless or at a loss in coming up with something new, but until existing users are satisfied, we cannot release next hardware

    • http://www.segalization.com/ Kuronoa

      The time it takes to develop the console will remain the rest of Wii U’s cycle though.
      Relations with 3rd party is pretty complicated, there is no telling if they will return full force. Even Gamecube had trouble and that was ‘normal’ in release specs.

      • ronin4life

        GC was better actually.

        Probably similar to WiiU<One actually.

    • Aaron K Stone

      I’m sure everyone who bought the Wii U would be thrilled to hear Nintendo is dropping support for the console so soon and will be lining up in droves to buy the next console.

  • Ric Vazquez

    Now that’s a shame :(

  • neo_firenze

    NFC functionality to be part of E3? Hmmm… perhaps this has to do with the trademarked Pokken Tournament/Pokken Fighters (just registered this week in EU, registered last year in the US)?

    Skylanders/Disney Infinity style toys + game with Pokemon? Or even beyond just Pokemon with a “Nintendo Infinity” type game. Seems like a pretty good way to make Wii U sell…

    I guess I’d wonder a bit if between Disney/Marvel and Skylanders if that genre isn’t already getting a little fatigued, and maybe Nintendo has already waited too long. But at this point, might be one of the few things with the potential to save the WiiU – underpowered hardware and no third party support sure isn’t going to do the job.

  • NimbusStev

    Sooo does this mean we’ll get another price drop? ;D

    I really want to buy a Wii U but it’s just sliiightly more than I’m willing to pay.

    • rurifan

      For $200 I’d buy it for Bayonetta 2 then not mind it collecting 5″ of dust.

      I wonder if anybody sells it used without the pad for cheap. Must check ebay…

      • Anime10121

        Buying it without the “dumbpad” would be the dumbest thing ever… since you know, you need the thing for the system to even work :/

        • rurifan

          You can’t launch games using a real controller?

          • Guest

            Gamepad is a controller.

          • Anime10121

            No eShop no system funtions/settings, and only works on the few games that accept it as a controller scheme…

          • rurifan

            Ugh, guess I don’t want B2 that badly.

          • http://www.segalization.com/ Kuronoa

            You can live with using the Gamepad for a moment, most games I have use the Pro.

          • rurifan

            The idea was to pick up a cheap used wiiu with a missing/broken pad to avoid paying for something I never want to use. (It offends me having garbage shoved down my throat when I just want to play games.)

  • Samsara09

    Don’t give up,nintendo!You can do it!

  • 60hz

    the industry is changing, nintendo is just the first casualty, there will be more. The real question is, if nintendo can’t meet the challenge, can we REALLY expect m$ or sony to?

    • rurifan

      Nintendo bet that they could sell cheap hardware at a premium price, and lost that bet. MS and Sony are making a different bet, so I wouldn’t compare their prospects.

    • Guest

      If there are casualties it will be those which are in red numbers overall. And Nintendo isn’t one of them.

      • 60hz

        they are in the red. they just posted a loss.

        • Guest

          Not in red numbers overall, they still got the profits from previous FY.

          Plus this year it comes from the investments Nintendo has being doing in new facilities and R+D, unlike at 2012 when it came purely from operational losses. And let’s not forget the buyback from Yamauchi’s shares.

        • ronin4life

          Overall, often and for many, many years.

          MS, Sony, EA are constantly/continuosly losing money.

    • ronin4life

      Nintendo isn’t a casualty. They have been excluded entirely, but remain a force of their own. Like a reverse NES era situation…

      The way I see it, In the “Core” gaming world, The major pubs will fall first, followed by the platforms that rely on them. If that class suit against EA holds up, they could be gone in a few years… the rest when the market shrinks to the point inflated marketting isn’t helping at all, rather than just being neccessary to survive.

  • http://LevelUpGeneration.blogspot.com/ KALiverin

    The best part of these types of articles is reading comments from people who know nothing about business who apparently know how to sell the Wii U better than Nintendo. I’m not saying they’ve been doing a good job, but most of the suggestions I see people make on how to improve sales are silly or ignorant. Not to say there aren’t some educated opinions out there, but it’s kind of irrelevant in the end because nobody at Nintendo is going to read them and it’s not going to influence anything.

    Also, the general public is far bigger than anybody who reads this site or any other gaming site. Many suggestions I see from people are applicable to that crowd and not the larger public. Those people don’t care about specs, and historical data suggests that’s usually the case. The reason the so-called casual crowd probably isn’t into the new system is because they already have a system that suits their needs, which is the Wii. Why buy a whole new system to play Wii Fit when you already have a version of it? Doesn’t make a lot of sense. Not to mention that these types of experiences aren’t usually sustainable for a long period of time. While Wii Fit sold extremely well, how many of those people continued to use it regularly after buying it? My girlfriend told me her aunt bought it, stuck with it for a few weeks and then gave up.

    There’s also the third-party problem, but I believe the real reason why nobody buys third-party games is because the types of people that buy Nintendo consoles don’t care about the types of games that third-parties, especially Western ones, make these kinds of days. Let me tell you, the only Ubisoft game I have any interest in is Rayman Legends. Nothing else interests me, so I’m not buying those games for any of my systems. I hate being told that I’m the cause of the third-party drought because I don’t buy third-party games, when the reality is that third-parties aren’t putting forth any effort into creating unique software anymore. Call of Duty isn’t selling the Wii U to anybody because the it’s a misfit in terms of audience. The people that like Call of Duty already have a system to play on.

    As for Nintendo first-party and why it isn’t helping to lift the system up, the only thing I can come up with to explain it is, again, people don’t want to buy a whole new system to play games that are similar enough to the games they own on other systems. While I thought Super Mario 3D World was an excellent game, it’s a very similar game to Super Mario 3D Land, and the price of that game plus a 3DS is much cheaper than buying a Wii U and 3D World. Wind Waker can’t really do anything because it’s just a remake. Tropical Freeze is basically Returns with better graphics. Mario Kart 8 looks the most distinct among them, but it’s still just another Mario Kart game and there are a variety of cheaper systems it’s available on. Even if it does help, one game can not carry a system by itself. I doubt a new Star Fox or F-Zero can get sales rolling. While they would be nice to have, at least in the case of Star Fox, that franchise has been diluted enough with too many mediocre games, so I don’t really have a lot of faith that they’d bring out something better.

    Wow, that went on a lot longer than I thought it would. Those are all just my thoughts and opinions. I don’t believe I have the answers to help the Wii U. Nobody does. It could be argued that it doesn’t have a chance at ever becoming a mainstream system. But in the end, it doesn’t really matter. The thing will flop, it’ll still get some noteworthy games and they’ll just come out with a better, more marketable console. Maybe, maybe not, but it’s not worth worrying about. I have one and I love the games for it, so I’m content enough to not worry about it.

    • Aaron K Stone

      It didn’t stop MK7 selling well even though many people had likely previously played the DS one.

    • Lilburrito

      I agree with almost everything you’ve said except for your statements in the last two paragraphs. It’s a given that a sequel will have a lot of similarities to it’s predecessor, but newer iterations of these games shouldn’t be written off because of it. Your argument could be applied to just about every game with a sequel on another. Uncharted 4 is just another Uncharted game, Halo 5 is just another Halo game. Yet despite that, people will STILL buy these games despite already having their very similar predecessors or knowing they’re already available on a cheaper console.

      I honestly think the main issue here is the demographic, the media and of course, the internet. Let’s face it and say that a majority of the gamer’s that came with the last generation to this generation aren’t the same as the one we older gamer’s grew up with. The media and the more outspoken “fans” out here on the internet have somehow managed to create a “stigma” when it comes it to Nintendo. To the point of which these newer breed of gamers will write off a game before playing it because of how it “looks” or out of fear of being made fun of because they enjoy a game for “children”. As a result of that, genuinely great games get disregarded because no one wants to give it a chance.

      And finally, even though it’s almost two years in, I think it’s still too early to call this console a flop. It certainly is a struggling console. And I think that it’ll most likely end up in third place by the end of this generation. But to call it a flop now is ridiculous , at least that’s the way I see it. The same applies to the VITA, I still have high hopes for both of these consoles. And despite their underselling I know that they will have games that’ll be right up my alley for sure. :)

      • http://LevelUpGeneration.blogspot.com/ KALiverin

        True, althought I was mostly going by the large discrepencies between sales of previous games in the Mario Kart franchise against current sales. While Mario Kart 7 and the New Super Mario Bros. games still sold extremely well, they haven’t sold nearly as well as their predecessors. Whether they can catch up to those numbers overtime remains to be seen, but it is possible that there might be a little franchise fatigue going on. But everything I said was just speculation anyways. I do agree that the demographic is a bigger problem since we’re still in a rough economy and we have tons of choices as to where we can play games now.

        I also agree it’s too early to call it a flop. I miswrote what I meant and really meant that it might flop, but even if it does, it’s not the end of the world. People are just making a big deal out of nothing in that regard. A console’s success isn’t defined by how much it sells, but by how well it sells for the company. Only Nintendo can define what it successful to them, not the media or the internet hate bandwagon.

  • ShadowJetX

    Does anyone else agree that the game pad maybe might not have been the greatest idea?

    I’ve only played the wiiU at a demo station at toys’r’us, and it kinda wasn’t all that great IMO. I’ve also heard that it doesn’t work nearly as well as intended, I remember someone saying they weren’t able to play through the game pad throughout their house, whereas the PS Vita allows you to play your PS4 from across the globe. But lets leave comparisons at that.

    I also remember hearing about how nintrendo forces developers to use the game pad in some way or its a no go, which would probably turn some off automatically. Though, if I’m wrong someone correct me.

    • ronin4life

      Nintendo doesn’t force devs to use the pad. At all. They don’t force 3D on 3ds either, which is another common misconception.

      As for the performance of the GamePad, it works very well. I believe it does noticeably better than Vita. However, the Range is limited to ~20-30 ft and poorly through walls. That said, I can use it in my loft bed(a bunk bed without a bottom bunk) in my bedroom directly above the living room the WiiU is in without problem, yet cannot use it outside through the back glass door a seemingly shorter distance away…

      For what it does and can do, it works really really well. It is more that no one seems to care.

      • rurifan

        Citation for these claims about what Nintendo requires of WiiU and 3DS developers?

        • ronin4life

          Looked and looked. Wadded through piles of Negative Anti-Nintendo bull for the last ~25 minutes on Google: couldn’t find it(I remember seeing an interview confirming it).

          All I can say is it may have been Bill Trinen who confirmed there is no policy forcing any kind of feature on 3rd party devs, And that even Nintendo doesn’t force their own studios to use the Gamepad/3d.(Donkey Kong/PokemonXY)

          EDIT: there is also quite a bit of visable evidence outside of direct confirmation: Epic Mickey 2 displayed nothing on the Gamepad in the WiiU version, showing a verifiable case of a 3rd party game being made without it.

          • Aaron K Stone

            This. People should really do research before making such claims.

  • Yan Zhao

    Most of those projected sales werent even that off from the mark, i dont see why its such a big issue.

    • ronin4life

      I agree with the sentiment, however we should also remember that these were downgraded forecasts That still couldn’t be overcome.

      On their own, I’d say Nintendo made some good estimates. But they are still off Hundreds of thousands, and are only this close due to lowering original expectations.

  • wahyudil

    no Wii U for me before Super Smash Bros U … so whatever you say nintendo, release that game first

  • Anime10121

    Kirby, Smash, and Monolith are it for me as far as first party goes. And I agree that third party support on ANY console is the most important piece (honestly not a fan of hardly any first party game series barring a couple from each manufacturer).

  • TalesOfBS

    Basically you play everything that doesn’t have a Nintento seal on it and don’t want any games made by them.
    Yeah… nice trolling there.

  • Anime10121

    I along with most people who’ve played it, respectfully disagree.

  • Anime10121

    I can agree with the narrative not being that great in comparison to Monolith’s previous Xeno games, but it was never meant to, as Takehashi said from the beginning it was going to focus more on gameplay than plot… Heck to be honest, I’m surprised it got that much of a plot to begin with, and even saying that, the story was better than most slop (and I’m a fan of the jrpg genre) put out in most jrpgs.

    And as far as Blue Dragon goes, the only thing it had going for it to me was that it played like an HD SNES FF game…only with less plot.

    Different strokes for different folks though I guess…

  • meiam

    Damn that’s pretty sad! I avoid it since I heard it was essentially an off line mmorpg. Guess that was true.

  • Rick

    You really know nothing about writing if you think Xillia is better written than Xenoblade. I love both games but Xenoblade is clearly the superior game here. Xillia’s generic, predictable, stuck in molasses for 20 hours plot was absolute garbage. Not to mention the obvious from the start “twist” with Milla where the writers desperately want you to believe she is really Maxwell and tell you so over and over again despite the fact that anybody with a brain knew that she wasn’t. And then there’s the incredibly forced and hollow romance between her and Jude (not to mention Jude himself is generic and boring), give me Shulk and Fiora’s platonic relationship over that drivel any day. The only thing that saved that game story-wise was the characterization of the characters and their interactions. Xenoblade gives you a solid story with a few amazing twists, and a fantastic climax. Was it’s story on the same level of Xenogears or Xenosaga? of course not, it was never going to be. But it is 1000x better than Tales of Xillia. And let’s not even get into the soundtracks, Xenoblade’s is better by a few hundred country miles.

  • Anime10121

    It wasnt. FFXII was more an offline MMO than Xenoblade…

  • meiam

    Well I hated FF12 and never even finished it, so even it being in the vicinity of FF12 was enough to turn me off.

  • Guest

    xb had far more fetch missions

  • Anime10121

    Welp XII’s no where NEAR my favorite, I kinda had to force myself to finish it (hell I might even like the original XIII over it) but I still loved Xenoblade. At least give it a try if you’re able…

  • rurifan

    I played it and found it mediocre at best. I think starvation for actual games slanted the opinion of many Wii owners.

  • Anime10121

    May have, but it didnt sway mine, I had a PS3, PS2, PSP, and a DS with countless games for each in addition to my Wii (which I couldnt even fill up one hand the amount of games I owned for it) and still found it one of the best console JRPG of the generation.

  • Aaron K Stone

    And I say rubbish to that.

  • Aaron K Stone

    Except it scored well with a lot of reviewers too. Reviewers which in all probability had access to other consoles and games for comparison. Perhaps it’s beyond you to realise that some people liked what you didn’t.

  • TalesOfBS

    You are wasting time with a troll.
    Back when the Wii was alive and kicking, people were bitching saying the jrpgs were dying yet the system was getting a lot of them, and later received the best rpg of the generation.
    It is easy to spot hypocrite people who actually never owned one.

  • http://LevelUpGeneration.blogspot.com/ KALiverin

    I know this has nothing to do with the actual article, but it seems like some people (not all) who believe Xenoblade is the greatest RPG of the generation, let alone ever, missed out on some of the great RPGs coming out for handheld systems. I know that, for whatever reason, people like to dismiss handhelds as not “real” systems, but because I’m nowhere near as jaded as some people and had no reason to think the genre was somehow dying, I approached Xenoblade with a neutral perspective and I found a game that was really good, but with some glaring flaws that people like to ignore for some reason.

    For starters, the game is ridiculously bloated with so many pointless, tedious side-quests that aren’t fun to complete. You can say I’m crying for no reason because I should be happy there’s lots to do, but I’d rather have fewer side-quests that are way more involved and less generic. More isn’t always better and I personally hate and don’t appreciate having my time wasted. I also don’t like the user interface, as I find it to be confusing with too many things to keep track of. Also, is it a revolutionary game like the critics described it as? Not really. It’s just a typical JRPG with a linear storyline that takes place in a large world to explore. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but that alone doesn’t make it revolutionary since it really didn’t do much to move the genre forward. It’s more or less just copying MMO gameplay styles and inserting them in a JRPG environment.

    I liked the game a lot, so I’m not hating on it, but don’t go labelling people trolls just because they say they didn’t find it to be anything special. I personally didn’t find it to be anything special either, but it was still a great game. There’s nothing wrong with acknowledging the fact that maybe, just maybe, the game has a few flaws that could be easily fixed in the next game.

  • Aaron K Stone

    Which were for the most part optional.

  • Aaron K Stone

    I disagree they weren’t fun to complete. They may have been tedious to do, but they fleshed out the worlds characters and made me invested in the little goings on around the towns.

  • Aaron K Stone

    How can you say Xenoblade was cliché and generic and then say two of your favourite first party is Pokémon and Golden Sun?

  • http://LevelUpGeneration.blogspot.com/ KALiverin

    To you, maybe, but I did as may side-quests as I could and literally can’t remember a single NPC in that game, aside from one who told me to go find his kids when they were literally just a few feet away from him. Stuff like that pissed me off and added absolutely nothing to the world. Being told to go collect x number of things does not flesh out a game’s world to me and really just tells me that the NPCs are lazy, so I shouldn’t even waste my time helping them.
    I respect your views, but I’ll never look at the side-quests in the game and see them as something that fleshed out the game’s world and didn’t waste my time.

  • Aaron K Stone

    Fine.

  • Juan Manuel M. Suárez

    That’s a fanboy for you~.

  • Guest

    Yeah, TOX1 was pale in comparison to other installments of the series.

    But then TOX2 happened. Destroyed Xenoblade’s scripted rear so hard it’s barely recognizable, and then it tore it apart again even with that cameo battle and godalmighty kongman skin fest.

    Why urgence of this fittest contest between us jrpg fans? It’s like your life can’t be at rest until you prove your opinion is better than other’s.

    But I think a response reacts at how you deliver it first-hand. This ‘harshed’ statement regarding TOX2-Xenoblade was intentional (And i didn’t even state why while sounding childish). I know for sure your response would consist of downgrading TOX2 to oblivion and workshipping Xenoblade till jizz. It’s a psychological chemical process you know–It totally affects the objectivism feature when brain-storming the opinion-making process of yours.

    Weeeell, I will be a little childish–Xenoblade’s ost is SHIT compared to Sen no Kiseki’s. Go and listen to it ASAP.
    WAIT, your expectations escalated ridiculously as I wrote crap to your heavenly Shimomura, Mitsuda, Ace+ misse-masche. Yep, more freudian pathos revolution going crazy up there again. In the end you will be despising Sen no Kiseki’s OST no matter what.

    Sorry if I brought all this gibberish up but I have this diehard interest of deconstructing BIAS, the so-called “meta opinions”, and such. Please ignore me from now on.

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