Here’s Nintendo of America’s Response To Operation Rainfall

By Ishaan . June 29, 2011 . 6:01pm

Following a fan campaign dubbed “Operation Rainfall” to get Nintendo of America to be more forthcoming regarding the release of Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story and Pandora’s Tower, NOA took notice of the movement and promised an update “soon”.


Today, they provided one. Here’s the statement, right off their Facebook page:


“Thank you for your enthusiasm. We promised an update, so here it is. We never say “never,” but we can confirm that there are no plans to bring these three games to the Americas at this time. Thanks so much for your passion, and for being such great fans!”


Before you decide to go wild in the comments, keep in mind that the extremely common “no plans at this time” response is exactly what it says — no plans at this time. Nintendo of America may very well have plans to release these games at a later date, especially considering the first half of that line.

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  • That’s a little disheartening. :(

  • I just read this about ten minutes ago and I’m seriously disappointed by Nintendo’s modus operandi. I don’t own a Wii, nor do I plan to, but as a huge fan of JRPGs, I like having other people having the ability to enjoy them. I know “no plans at this time” means “at this time” but Namco, Konami and even Working Designs (RIP) said the same thing to me when I emailed them, asking if they planned on releasing certain games in the United States.

    For shame, Nintendo. For shame.

  • No plans “at this time” 99% of the time means never.

    • As long as the steins;gate exist, that 1% might be what we need,

      El… psy… gongroo

      • Historiata

        Let’s pry some info from Alpaccaman!

    • Actually, that isn’t true at all. 

      • LastFootnote

        Well, they’re certainly not going to release them after the Wii U comes out in 2012, and if they have no plans “at this time”, that doesn’t leave much of a window.

        • The 3DS is out and they’re still releasing DS games. The only thing to do at this point is wait it out or import Xenoblade from Europe. We’ve been through the “not at this time” routine so many times before now. If these games are coming, they’ll announce them when they think it’s most beneficial to them. Atlus did the same with Catherine.

          Buuuut, that said, yea, this was a colossal screw-up on NOA’s part. They shouldn’t have said anything in the first place if this was going to be their response.

      • WonderSteve

        Another way to look at it:

        It was considered impossible for Mario and Sonic to appear in the same game 15 years ago. But look now

        Be patient I guess??

  • godmars

    Sounds like a technical “never” to me… :(

  • Yikes. And after all that effort…

  • DanteJones

    Ehh, I was expecting a bit more from Nintedo to be honest. Oh well.

    • BK0000

       Really? It was pretty obvious that Nintendo had already made up their minds not to release the games in America. Nothing was going to change their minds.

      • DanteJones

        True, I hate the whole beating around the bush thing though, what with other games in the past (Another Code: R and Last Window), I’d rather they just flat out said “Nein!”.

  • imaguni

    Ahh… Well, I’ll try to focus on the “at this time.” Remember Catherine!

    • SolidusSnake

      Good point! I remember that very well. It was kind of an embarrassing moment for the Atlus fans of the world. Then again, that was a one-shot comment to some guy on a practically unknown website, and this is straight from the horse’s mouth. Still, there’s no need to give up hope. Operation Rainfall proceeds as planned.

  • hahahahahaha, this made me laugh xD.

    But seriously, better this than nothing. I’d prefer them to tell this than being silent.

  • I’m incredibly disappointed with you, Nintendo.  

  • I think its too much to expect all three. Further it is just baffling to even have Iwata Asks in English of Xenoblade, release date, and even a bundle for it in English Speaking regions other than NA and for them to say “not at this time.”… Its hard to remain hopeful for it for 2011, when looking across the Atlantic…especially considering some titles never came over…

    • I basically agree with this. I would be THRILLED if Nintendo of America localized any one of these three titles, as it would imply they weren’t entirely ignoring Operation Rainfall and the fans’ cries. If they ignore ’em all, though, then fair enough, that tells me to take my money elsewhere, y’know?

      I mean, I’m trying to be mellow about it, but I’m pretty disenchanted with Nintendo lately.

  • SolidusSnake

    Hopefully they will change their tune later on. Personally I am more interested in quality RPGs than 3D effects and giant controllers with screens.

  • 0_o

    bad, bad Nintendo, no soup for you!

  • Suicunesol

    Fans would be more understanding if you explained why, Nintendo.

    • Exkaiser

      No they wouldn’t.

      • WonderSteve

        I would understand if they say no to Pandora Tower. That one is risky.

        But I don’t believe the sales of Last Story and Xenoblade can be that bad. It won’t be Call of Duty, but it should still make them money.

        • But as much money as ever green titles and repackaged mario titles? I think theyve let money get to their head and are just releasing the cheapest to make games or focusing all efforts on 3DS titles. I cant really see either of those titles doing more than say Mario Sports Mix…

          • WonderSteve

            I think the correct strategy of console makers should be about getting the system in as many people’s hands as possible and make most of the profits from games.

            Some titles may not sell super well, but if it gets the core gamers to buy the system it could be worth the risk. A core gamer can buy 20+ more games than a casual gamer each year.

          • Caligula

            I believe Nintendo would have to respectfully disagree, considering the Wii has been the most successful out of all the consoles this gen by far and primarily so because it catered to millions of casual gamers.

      • Suicunesol

        Yeah you’re right. >_>

  • Code

    Not surprised opo; I remember Mother 1+2, Mother 3 and Earthbound on Virtual Console, campaigning days opo; Nintendo rarely has an interest in budging on this kind of stuff. What makes it more curious is why is this targeting Nintendo themselves? Do they specifically own the rights to these games? Shouldn’t it be directed at other companies?  

    • Xenoblade and the Last Story are both in Nintendo’s court. Not sure about Pandora’s Tower, though.

      • Code

        Ah alright, I wasn’t specifically sure, and I was much too far into eating these delicious donuts to look it up at the time opo; But good to know, I’m surprised though another company couldn’t get localization rights to them. I mean Sony’s done that before. But still that might be outside Nintendo’s interests. 

        • Honestly, I suspect if a niche publisher could acquire the rights, they’d localize Xenoblade and the Last Story in a heartbeat, as they have better sales potential than much of their usual fare.

          Contrast, say, XSEED localizing Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky on a system that is effectively dead in the water in the US, or NISA localizing Gust’s games despite their OVERWHELMINGLY Japanese design philosophies and aesthetics. Nintendo is just fiercely protective of their properties, even with the galling intention of allowing them to rot.

          Is it reprehensible? Well, yeah, kinda, because it seems more selfish and vindictive than simply not localizing the games personally, as opposed to Sony allowing Atlus to take a gamble with Demon’s Souls instead of personally sticking their necks out.

    • Quite sure Xenoblade is a first party title developed by a Nintendo first party developer, and published by Nintendo.

  • Hours

    How is this an “update”?

    It’s exactly the same as Nintendo’s standard brush off responses they give in all their interviews and emails.

    NoA is a truly wretched company. I loathe them.

    • Caligula

      You must hate most video game companies, then, since their response isn’t different from any other video game company being queried on localization prospects.

  • nyoron

    Hahaha, expected as much from Nintendo. What a joke they’ve become.

    Whatever though, as long as they come out in English somewhere I’ll be playing.

  • Jirin

    So…they lied in their earlier statement that Xenoblade was being released here?

    How do you mod a Wii to be region free again?

    • WonderSteve

      I am researching how to mod 4.3U right now…but I don’t have any of the games that’s needed to mod the system…

  • badmoogle

    Regardless if these games come to America or not,i think this act that united so many gamers gave at the very least a boost to the psychology of the developers who worked on them…which is something that can give them just a bit more confidence in their future projects.That’s why i don’t think “it was all for nothing.”No wonder Mistwalker’s response ended with the word “tear”,i feel they are a studio that had a hard time in general up to this point.If you see this situation from the perspective of the developers i think it’s very touching.

  • Historiata

    I guess they’re fully confident in LoD and the other remake titles or something..?

  • Lexaus_the_Alchemist

    Well that sucks. They say “there are no plans to bring these three games to the Americas at this time”, but looking at their release schedule for the rest of this year, the Wii has no big (hardcore) hitters other than LoZ and Kirby (in NA at least). Sigh… And let the pestering continue.

    Oh, and does no one have any love for Earth Seeker? That makes me sad…

  • Steven

    I’m incredibly disappointed by this. I realize it isn’t a straight-up “no”, but it doesn’t leave me feeling very good about the situation. I’m a huge Nintendo fan, and this is pretty hard to swallow.

  • PrinceHeir

    sooo that’s it?

    lol they’ve been saying that even before the campaign.

    come on nintendo :P

  • IceRomancer

    Such an upbeat sounding message for something that’s so disappointing :/ Blehh I gave up on Nintendo a while ago, not really surprised.

  • I dunno, that answer strikes me pretty much as industry speak for “no”.

    It would be nice to get a “why”, but as with all denials like this, we won’t. Should I wager a guess though, I’d say it’s because they figure that these games will suffer the fate of all Wii games that aren’t Mario or some subset of Mario, and it just won’t sell. Which Nintendo knows themselves is bogus because their ad campaign for MH Tri got it to 700k sales… so I don’t even know what to think!

    What baffles me more is that Europe is getting it, yet it’s being passed here. It’s like salt in the wound.

  • WonderSteve

    Man feels like Nintendo of America just give me the finger for buying the Wii on launch day

  • No plans at all means that the chances of localization are there, but they aren’t the best.

    Sorry, I had my share of dissapointment with NOA already. I’m a Wii owned ever since the system launch. I like the wii for some great games, but I hate NOA atitude towards the hardcore gamer.
    For Last Story and Pandora’s Tower the situation is better: From a “no” to “no plans yet”. But for Xenoblade, that was confirmed for US, is just plain bad.

    I’m hacking my Wii and giving my money to Nintendo of Europe that’s publishing all those games in multiple languagues. The last thing I will buy from NOA for the Wii probably will be Zelda.

    • Shinji Kazuya

      Let’s just hope they will act differently with the Wii U and be more thoughtful towards the more hardcore gamer, like they said they will.

    • Caligula

      You say this as if the lack of serious games for the Wii is some kind of new thing.  I don’t remember the Gamecube’s game selection being much better.

      Handhelds are where it’s for Nintendo as far as I’m concerned.

      • The lack of games was horrible with the wii. But still, even if a few months didn’t had nothing you could get another 3-4 games later for the Wii that were great. Gamecube I can’t say much because I didn’t bought many games at the time, so I didn’t had any problems with it.

        Nintendo doesn’t having nothing else for the Wii until the Wii U besides Zelda and maybe Kirby. My biggest problem is they ignoring those 3 great games and their fans that are begging for those.

  • Shinji Kazuya

    I’m really disappointed at NoA guys! I will be playing Xenoblade in 2 months thanks to NoE and all but NoA shouldn’t have really that much work to do since NoE did mostly all already. It’s really sad.
    I hate piracy but when certain game we would love to play don’t come to us I have to resort to it like I did with Arc Rise Fantasia. I was happy when I heard it was coming to NA. I tought since it was coming to NA, the chance of it coming to Europe as well was good. But look at it. Thanks to my friend’s modded Wii I managed to play it and I had a great time. Over 150 hours, did everything including the battle with Saki, Vanessa and Lucia. Such a great and fun RPG that never came to Europe. :<

    Since this doesn't mean for sure that they will not do it, I'll be hoping you guys get Xenoblade Chronicles at least 'cause I know very well how that frustration feels.

    • Arcm

      Honestly, I just modded my wii just seconds after hearing nintendo’s response and preordered the EU limited edition of Xenoblade and the Dragon Quest 1 – 3 collection just now.

      Now I play the waiting game for the game to release. : )

      • Shinji Kazuya

        Wow already? I have been looking at Amazon UK and GAME UK and still nothing. :<
        I guess it must be a NA store since you must be from NA and all.

        • Arcm

          Yeah there is a mom and pop store down the road from where I live that handles imports. They usually give me better deals then GAME or ShopTo which are the only two online stores I usually import EU games from.

  • puchinri

    Lol, does anyone else think that the games are actually coming here at some point? I think at least Xenoblade will. But even if we say that they could just use NoE’s translation, we don’t know what they’ll do for it or any of the titles.

    I’m just going to keep hoping and being a realistic-optimist rather than a pessimist. (Or a whiner, or an angry fan, etc.)

    • Shinji Kazuya

      Yeah. I have learned to be realistic-optimist as well, in these times that we are.

      • puchinri

        It certainly is a lot better for my mind and heart, and I think it pays to be. There’s plenty of games I didn’t think we’d ever see, but now, we’re getting them. (KoF13, ToGf, etc.)

        Someone taught me that when you go around being negative and saying “itll never happen!” you’re putting it out there yourself and making it a reality. I’d rather say “it’s a possibility” than just give up. (Especially over something that isn’t a no.)

  • Worm88

    Even though this might be a little different, Namco said they had “no plans at this time” to bring over Tales of Graces to America, yet Passionate/Loud fans managed to bring forth a US localization announcement in a few months. 

    Basically what i’m saying is “no plans at this time” doesn’t mean that its never coming. 

    • Shinji Kazuya

      Yes, exacly. There is still some hope left.
      I had already given up hope for Tales of Graces. I remember the 1st time I saw it (back in 2009, 3 years ago!!!!) and I tought for myself: “WOW that combat system looks really FUN!” and ever since then been waiting impatiently for a NA/EU announcement.
      Then 2 years pass, no kind of announcement at all, I gave up. Then some months ago I come to Siliconera and WHAT DO I SEE? News about a weird site Namco Bandai put up on the internet and how it was some kind of puzzle for people to solve. Fans then solved it and my hopes rised again! It was something Tales related.
      The official announcement came and I jumped so much of happiness that my mom got pissed off at me for making to much damn noise which was making her listen to the soap opera impossible.

      So yeah, not all hope is gone yet.

    • WonderSteve

      I have a different opinion. It seems like they did mull over it for at least couple of days after this OpRainFall took off. There were probably some corporate discussions and the result is a “no”

      This is basically a PR response of “no” I think NoA wants to focus on 3DS and WiiU from now on.

    • kroufonz

      well in tales case not just few month tough, more like lots of months.

      oprainfall just started, if this operation can go long enough maybe NA will get at least one of those 3 games.

  • Wake

    What a way to sugarcoat a big middle finger to the fans.

    “Gee you got spunk but it’s not working out! Support us!”

  • Well, I am sorry to say, but I don’t think I’ll buy Nintendo Games anymore.

    A lot of companies just say things like “No plans at this time”.

    Unless someone is willing to give me a EuroWii, I see no reason to look on the bright side.

  • YoungTeeth

    I’m still upset. Nintendo needs to stop putting region locking into their consoles since they have a pattern of disregarding their American followers. I’ve followed monolith since Xenogears and I would have gladly ordered it from overseas, it’s as if Nintendo truly doesn’t care about their American fans. 

    • Aside from handhelds, consoles have almost always been region locked. Companies designed cartridges to be different so back in the day we had to use adapters like the magical HoneyBee to play games from different countries. 

      • WonderSteve

        That’s why we should give Sony credits for the PS3 being region free!!

        • Shinji Kazuya

          Yes! Very true!

        • The PS3 is looking VERY good right now.

      • Aoshi00

        I remember those days of using adapters for the cartridge slot, at least it was easier to work around it before.. and w/ GC there was freeloader disc, there was also one for the Wii until they did the updates.  And now 3DS being the first region locked portable (the DSi had only extremely few locked titles), it feels like the big N is really adamant in not wanting people play games not from their regions, even for those of us who spend hard earned bucks importing legit copies.  And even portables now, come on :(..

        And they are not localizing the games themselves despite the outpour of requests from dedicated fans, so it’s understandable why people are disheartened.. 

        I haven’t beaten Xenoblade yet, but I was thinking of doing my part by pre-ordering Monado on Amazon, I guess the big N is just too practical.. thinking the money is not worth it compared to casual games..  if they localize these games, even though they don’t might big bucks, it’s good PR and good will that money can’t buy.. that’s why I appreciate MS’s effort by bringing JRPGs earlier this generation, they want to get their systems into people’s hands… just like if Nintendo were to localize these 3, a lot of RPG or hardcore gamers would be thrilled and would buy the now cheap Wii in a heartbeat..

    • Exkaiser

      Region-locks don’t even really mean that much. In the end, there will always be a way around them. Didn’t stop me from playing my Japanese PS2 or Gamecube games, or people cutting out the tabs in their SNESes to play Super Famicom games.

      • DanteJones

        Yeah I agree there’s a way around it, on the flip side though it just seems kinda pointless, unless the region locks are there for more than just making it difficult for people to crack them. Wouldn’t they lose out on import sales by putting region locks on? Granted, I’m no business expert nor do I see how it works when you’re the one sitting at the top of the company but, I dunno, just seems kind of a profit killer to me.

        • Caligula

          There are two major reasons I know of for why region lock is enforced.

          One being that, despite American gamers b-tching and moaning about game prices here, games are actually much more expensive in Japan.  Without region lock, there’s nothing stopping a Japanese gamer from waiting a few months and then importing a cheaper game from the US.

          Secondly, suppose a company localizes a game in NA and has plans for localizing in Europe as well.  This generally takes a few months, so without region lock, there is absolutely nothing stopping Europeans from importing the American game in the meantime. A region lock ensures that that the game’s sales aren’t poorer than they should be in Europe.

          • Exkaiser

            Incidentally, Europeans importing the American versions is the same reason they either get stuff late or not at all. A vicious cycle.

          • DanteJones

            Ahh, I see. Yeah, I totally agree about the pricing, not that I complain about the prices here, but rather it’s much better than buying them in Japan. Aren’t the games there roughly $80~ or so in US dollars for what would be the US’s normal $60? And thank you by the way! That was a enlightening post. :)

          • WonderSteve

            Does reverse import really save people that much money? I am sure there are people that do it, but it is probably a minority.

            There is probably a 20-30 US differences in prices between US and Japan these days. One probably save 10-20 the most after paying the shipping and importer cost. I also think most Japanese gamers wouldn’t want to play a game in English, especially RPG. They may not want to save 10-20 dollars to play a game they don’t understand.

            Europe is always the loser when it comes to Japanese games. However, most major publishers like Square these days seem to try to close the gap. They will localize the games during the production stage.

            My point is, region locking give the core gamers an excuse/reason to modify the system. Once the system is modded, the owner may end up using pirated copies. The publishers end up being the ultimate losers in the end.

          • Caligula

            The region lock argument is much more compelling for preventing Europeans from importing, I agree.  But it happens. I don’t follow Kingdom Hearts that much, but I believe reverse-importing was an issue for that series.

            The overall value of region locking is arguable, certainly, but you can’t exactly blame companies for trying.

          • DanteJones

            You bring up a pretty good point. It’d be interesting to see what would be worse for a company: losing money on imports because there is no region lock, or losing money because there is a region lock and some people resort to modding and possibly pirating, like you said. I’d imagine the possible pirating would be worse, but I guess it would be hard to tell without some hard numbers to look at as well.

          • Aoshi00

            Like WonderSteve said, Jpn gamers importing US games are few and far between, except the very hardcore.  First they need to pay shipping from the US to Jpn so it’s not exactly cheap (unlike anime DVD/blu-rayss which are much cheaper in the US).  Say Gears of War 2, it took a year for Jpn to get it (Gears 3 will launch simultaneously worldwide this time), a few people couldn’t wait and got the US ver.  But most Jpn gamers wouldn’t import games from outside Jpn because they don’t understand English.. 

  • Standard PR response. Blah blah, can’t say anything yet, blah blah stay around so we can market some more etc. 

  • Guess I’m importing an EU Wii.

    • Yamaneko22

      Don’t be a mindless pawn and soft mod it… It’s not that hard – spare  a few minutes and search for tutorial in net.

      • Aoshi00

        W/ the systems being constantly updated now.. I stopped soft modding since the PSX days and just get systems from both regions, though DLCs that stick w/ the system or gamer tag poses a big of a problem (and they only let you switch license once a year)..

  • MrRobbyM

    Well, we will see how their plans go. And then we’ll see how my plans go when it comes to buying a WiiU.

    • Caligula

      You’re going to boycott it over just 3 games…?

      • WonderSteve

        What else do you want him to do?

        • Exkaiser

          Following his logic, I will go back in time and boycott the SNES because Mother, Sweet Home, and Megami Tensei were never localized.

          • WonderSteve

            Oh he could be in the SEGA camp back then. Who knows?

      • SolidusSnake

        Sure, if Nintendo is going to set this precedent of not localizing interesting Japanese games, why bother with the Wii U? Mario and Zelda get old after awhile, and many of us already have a PS3 or 360 to play Arkham City on.

      • Shinji Kazuya

        They aren’t just 3 games: They are 3 great, awsome and original games!

      • DanteJones

        I’ll say that I won’t boycott the Wii U, but unless they really do stick to their word and bring over more titles I don’t see much of a reason to pick it up. I don’t want to buy a system for just a couple games, ya’know?

        On the Wii for example, I picked up: Twilight Princess, Trauma Team, Rune Factory Frontier, Little King Story and… I think that’s it. Might be forgetting one or two. While these were good games to be sure, I know I’ve bought so much more for PS3 and whatnot.

      • I’ve no opinion on whether to buy a WiiU yet or not — I’ll most likely give in but these games aren’t just 3 games. Operation Rainfall was designed to bring these games to America, these great games that people want. This isn’t the first time NoA has skipped over games that plenty of people wanted, there’s Last Window, Another Code R, Disaster, Fatal Frame, Mother series etc. This just goes to show NoA isn’t about the fans, it doesn’t even show they’re about the money it just goes to show that they don’t want to bring “core” fans to their audiences.

        I hope eventually they’ll release these titles though, and possibly the others though I’m doubtful for any. Good thing DSi XL’s aren’t region locked, I’m importing Last Window for my birthday this year and that’s in about three weeks!

      • MrRobbyM

        Of course not. But Why would I buy a console if it’s not going to have many games I like?

    • Yeah…I have to say, it seems to not set good precedent for how they will handle international releases during their next generation. 

  • mikanko

    I’m glad The Last Story and Xenoblade are getting localized in English.  I just wish Nintendo wasn’t so gung ho in keeping their system region locked with firmware updates cancelling out uses of the freeloader etc.  In some ways it’s easier to mod a wii to play “backups” rather than import games, and I can’t see how that helps anyone.

    • Shinji Kazuya

      So those news on the french site saying it was coming to Europe in 2012 are true?

      • mikanko

        If it’s not I apologize.  Is there news debunking it?

        • Shinji Kazuya

          None that I know of. Just seems too good to be true. Xenoblade 1st then The Last Story? In terms of videogames, for the 1st time, I’m glad to be European.

    • Aoshi00

      Yea, I used the wii freeloader disc at first too to play imorts, it drove me bunkers when the Wii got firmware updates and my imports no longer work anymore, it was either play imports or VC.. later I just waited for a diff. color and imported a Jpn black Wii and get it over w/ (cuz I couldn’t have two white wiis sitting next to each other lol).. 360’s DLCs sticking to the system is a bit annoying though.. like I want to upgrade my Jpn system to the Gears LE.. but I have many DLCs on old Jpn system.. and they yearly limit of transferring licenses is annoying.. I never really figured out how it works.. because I have US DLCs and Jpn DLCs over the years….

  • Exkaiser

    Why was no one so upset when Metal Max 3 was never localized? Now that was a missed opportunity.

    I don’t understand the things people pick to get their feathers ruffled over. Life goes on.

    • SolidusSnake

      I think the guys who have stuck it out with Nintendo are pretty bitter that they keep missing out on all the JRPG action. Wii owners have to be content with just Arc Rise Fantasia, Gamecube owners just had Tales of Symphonia, Fire Emblem, and Skies of Arcadia when the PS2 was overflowing with RPGs, and the N64 had… Quest 64.

      • Code

        To be fair though JRPG’s really have taken a backseat on all consoles this generation; best systems for JRPG’s outright are DS and PSP xpx;

        @ExkaiserAlso 100% agree about Metal Max 3, hell Metal Max series in general omo;

        • SolidusSnake

          Yeah but there’s a difference between not very many games being made and games being made but only Japanese and European gamers having access to them. Plenty of big RPGs have been localized for PS360 like Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Star Ocean, Nier, Hyperdimension Neptunia, Ar Tonelico 3, Atelier, etc.

          I agree that handhelds are mainly the way to go if you want good RPGs this gen, though. And I still need to play Metal Saga one of these days.

          • I wouldn’t exactly call anything NIS, iF!, or Gust “big” they’re very niche games, even more then the 3 in question and while I enjoyed those series years ago the more recent entries don’t have the kind of spit and polish or production values that Ganbarion, Monolith and Mistwalker put into these three game.

            Thats actually what makes your point so much umm, pointier. These three games are great, a cut above games that are on more powerful consoles with bigger budgets and in some cases far more space available on the disc. I think the market NEEDS games like these instead of games that (despite my love of Ar Tonelico and Disgea) are somewhat generic and are lacking in spitshine.

            Sir, Metal Max is amazing, all of em. Very sad we never got them.

      • Caligula

        That’s their fault, not Nintendo’s.  If they’re a JRPG fan, they should have had known Nintendo hasn’t catered for JRPG fans for years and bought some other console instead.

        • SolidusSnake

          What? How is it anyone’s fault but Nintendo’s that Nintendo is refusing to localize the games that fans want to play? Are you trolling? Yes, of course if someone is really into RPGs they should know that Nintendo doesn’t care about them at this point (which is why I never bought a Wii personally), but that doesn’t make it their fault that Nintendo are being douchebags.

          Nintendo has recently stated that they are pushing to reach out to “core gamers” with the Wii U. And yet they are refusing to localize games that “core gamers” are interested in, making their recent statements cynical at best and blatant lies at the worst.

          • Caligula

            No, I’m not trolling.  I’m answering seriously and honestly.  It is not Nintendo’s fault that a JRPG fan bought a console from a company that has a proven track record of having no RPGs.  I don’t blame people for being disappointed that games aren’t being brought over, but if they’re bitter that these particular games aren’t being localized primarily -because- there’s no other RPGs on the console to play, that’s a consequence of their choice of consoles.

          • SolidusSnake

            Ok. It does kind of come off as trolling, though, since you just complained about someone deciding not to buy a Wii U based on Ninty’s decision not to localize these games. It seems like that person is just doing what they should have done a long time ago.

          • Caligula

            I can see how I came off as trolling when you put it that way, and looking back on it, I probably have responded prematurely to that post without considering the big picture.  I’m so used to “if X game doesn’t get localized, the entire company is evil and I’ll never buy from them ever, ever again” posts that I sort of jumped the gun.

  • Zonic505

    Still gonna show support. “never say never” & “at this time” seem to suggest that it’s not a flat-out “nope, sorry, it’s not coming”. I think if we continue to show support & get more fans, Nintendo will eventually see we want these games. We just gotta be patient (& civil).

    • Kris

      Sadly, patience and civility are two things that the internet has very little of :p

      I do hope that these titles are eventually brought to the states, but at this point, I won’t be terribly surprised if they don’t. Just gotta keep hope alive!

  • Interesting.

    I know this is Nintendo of America, not Nintendo of Japan, but I thought they were trying to restore industry ties and target “core” gamers.  This really flies in the face of that strategy.  In one fell swoop they are not only ignoring core gamers, but also forsaking Japanese partners.

    Pandora’s Tower didn’t do too well, even in Japan, so I can’t blame them for not wanting to localize that one, but people have been clamoring for Last Story and Xenoblade for a while. Still, even if they went in the red a bit, it probably could have paid off in terms of bolstering their reputation in caring for their fans and their stated goals of restoring connections. As it is, people are going to make a big stink about it.

    Perhaps it just has to do with logistics of shipping it around the country and packaging etc, so it wouldn’t turn a profit in the end.  But following the path they are taking, lets say the games are a success in the EU, and in turn, NoA sees their success and decides to release it in NA.  Core fans will have probably pirated the EU version, and the games will not meet expectations in NA, further reinforcing their mentality and marginalizing fans for these games (partly their own fault as well, for pirating).  It’s just a bad situation.

    This really curbs my enthusiasm for the 3DS and the Wii-U, if this is any indication of how Nintendo of America intends to operate with regard to the 3DS or Wii-U, especially because of region-locking.  This was really their chance to say “we’re listening” and they blew it. Perhaps its really a disconnect in communication and lack of synchronization between regional branches of the company.

    • DanteJones

      Indeed, I was hoping more from Nintendo when they said they were going to focus more on the core gamers, and am a bit disappointed with this recent statement. Don’t get me wrong, I’m still supporting the group that’s pushing to get these games localized, and I wasn’t really expecting Nintendo to come out and say they were going ahead with a NA localization when it’s only been about a week or so.

      What would be great, if not a little too optimistic, is if they saw localizing either Xenoblade or The Last Story as a sort of investment for their future titles and the Wii U. For example, let’s go with Xenoblade: Nintendo decides to release it before the Wii U comes out, while hopefully pleasing a good majority of their core gamer fan base. Even if there is a small to medium loss of profit, which is a little hard to believe seeing how much interest there is for it, I would think that giving a potential boost to sales going into the Wii U launch would more than make up for it. 

      Even if, say, a fraction of the people who bought Xenoblade also picked up the Wii U because it was localized, and perhaps with some announcements of games that will interest the core gamer crowd as it gets closer to the Wii U launch date, that’s a good chunk of money right there. I don’t think Iwata said there was a specific price for it yet, but he did say it’d be more expensive than the Wii’s original price which was $250 for the US market (I think it was the same for Japan and Europe, could be wrong though). As I said, it’s a bit optimistic, but it’d be great if Nintendo would take a chance on this. :) (and whew, that’s gotta be one of the longer posts I’ve typed, haha)

      • I agree with that, I wasn’t expecting them to cave in and agree to localize them anytime soon, that would actually be a little suspect, like it was some kind of home grown marketing campaign, like “aw shucks guys, sure we’ll localize them! yay!” But at the same time I wasn’t expecting them to shoot the movement down so soon either.  It indicates to me that they don’t want it to get out of control so they wanted to neutralize it fast and hope it blows over/people forget about it, etc.

        What it boils down to for me I think is, profitable or not, localizing these games is an investment, targeted toward a specific audience, an investment that could pay off in a number of ways, be it growing the audience itself, getting more people to buy your products, public relations, etc.  It’s like Microsoft in Japan, even if they are somewhat making fools of themselves and hemorrhaging money, they have the right idea in trying to foster and nurture an audience. It’s an investment. I really had hopes that the WiiU would be able to bring all gamers under its umbrella, and suit all tastes.

        What I am seeing here, is that Nintendo does not want to invest in this audience. Not even just that, but they aren’t even willing to invest in the products of their Japanese subsidiaries. For example, since Monolithsoft is working on a WiiU game right now, I am now wondering if we will even see that game stateside. All of a sudden WiiU is looking less enticing because I am no longer confident it will support the library I’d like to see. Reggie’s first words at the E3 2011 conference were “Listen. We Hear You.” But who are they hearing?

        • DanteJones

          Yeah, they definitely responded quicker than I thought they would. I was thinking it wouldn’t be until the end of the week at the earliest. It’s a little disappointing since the whole “we have no plans at this time” statement coming from Nintendo tends to lean a bit more to “we’re probably not gonna release it but don’t want to outright tell you” than the flip side, unlike say Atlus when they said they didn’t have any plans for Catherine (which I felt pretty bad for Atlus when it exploded in their faces, fans can be pretty harsh). I’m probably gonna hold out at least until it gets near the WiiU launch, then probably just try to forget about it, haha.

          I’d like to see them try to take a chance on core gamers as well and like you said, they are not doing a very good job of of drumming up excitement for the WiiU at this point in time for this audience. It’s a bit early to say that there -definitely- won’t be any games catered to the core gamers for the WiiU, but now it’s just going to be more difficult if these games don’t become localized.

          Also, say if they completely shift their focus on casual games, is the WiiU going to be as popular with casual gamers as the Wii first was? True, it’s got a new controller and better specs, but one of the better selling points for the Wii was it’s price, especially when the PS3 and 360 were more expensive, and if you’re trying to market it towards families or people who don’t play games too often. But if that casual gamer group loses interest for whatever the reason, what are they left with? A group who isn’t interested anymore and another who Nintendo decided wasn’t worth making games for anymore. This is more of a worst case scenario but I wouldn’t say it’s impossible, haha. 

          I apologize ahead of time if my post is difficult to follow, I tried to make it as coherent as possible but I tend to get distracted/scatterbrained easily. :P

          • Yeah, sooner or later they could come through.  I probably sound too pessimistic in my previous posts, but I think the best thing to do is keep it up and hope they really do hear, even if its a compromise of 1 or 2 titles rather than all three.

            I think the worst thing people can do is be overly rowdy, disrespectful, and pirate.  That is not a constituency worth working with, and makes Nintendo lose confidence in the games ability to sell.  Aside from that people really need to put their money where their mouth is.

          • DanteJones

            Nah, your posts are not nearly as bad as some on other forums like gamefaqs and whatnot lol, some people were going nuts over there. The guys who are heading “Operation Rainfall” are keeping a pretty cool demeanor over all this, so hopefully they can get other people to do the same. 

            Did you see the post about Xenoblade moving up to the top of the charts on pre-orders? It was the number one spot for a couple days I think, it’s pretty impressive even if they don’t charge you until the game ships. It even got some coverage on a Japanese yahoo news site, haha.

          • Caligula

            I don’t think losing casual gamers will be a problem for Nintendo, although it would certainly be a worrying prospect if what you suggested came to be.

            Although I didn’t really think much of the WiiU’s announcement when it came out, I think they’ll probably do fine as far as keeping casual gamers.  Nintendo’s made it pretty clear already that they don’t see themselves as competing with Sony or Microsoft; while they obviously like core gamers, they’re way more focused on making games for families and casual people than the other two companies are.  If they lose that market, they’re no different from the other two companies and their earnings potential is on the line.  You can bet they’re busy as hell trying to come up with something good to keep their dominance of that market lest they suffer some serious losses.  I might not have liked the Wii much, but I would be really surprised if Nintendo couldn’t come up with something creative again.

            That being said, I don’t really know why Nintendo can’t support both gaming markets. The Gamecube wasn’t so great for third-party games, either, even though its processing power was just as good as (was it better than?) the PS2. I’m not sure what the reason for their aversion is.

          • DanteJones

            It might seem different from what I’ve said in my previous posts, but I don’t want to see Nintendo go bankrupt or anything (not that you were insinuating, just wanted to be clear :D). I generally like the company, I’d just like to see them present more games that are not solely created with the casual crowd in mind. 

            I can understand from a business perspective that the casual games are going to make them the most amount of money and have less risk involved. It’s almost like they found this comfort zone of mostly casual games with a few niche titles here and there for everyone else. 

            I was actually surprised when Microsoft first started pushing out a few RPGs on the 360 since they make a ton of their money on the first-person shooters and sports games. It was enough for me to buy one to be honest with games like Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey, Last Remnant, Tales of Vesperia and a few others.

        • “It’s like Microsoft in Japan, even if they are somewhat making fools of themselves and hemorrhaging money, they have the right idea in trying to foster and nurture an audience.”

          Not to sound overly cynical or anything, but I wouldn’t say Microsoft are fostering an audience in Japan. The 360 has a few great niche titles in Japan, but that hasn’t done it the least bit of good. What’s happening there is that Microsoft are working in a space that’s more or less “exclusive” to them by lowering the barrier to entry for certain kinds of developers. It’s the only way they “can” compete.

          That investment is going to bring them absolutely nothing. Cave, 5pb and all of these other developers very much see the potential in being multiplatform companies and will eventually create multiplatform games which will likely sell just as well or better on other systems (Look at Steins;Gate’s PSP sales for instance). 

          Microsoft are a company that manufacture a billion different things. They can afford to wipe their bums with money because they have a lot of it. Nintendo are a games company for the most part, and don’t have that same luxury. 

          As for the “‘Listen. We Hear You.’ But who are they hearing?” — that was probably a subtle nod to the reception to Metroid: Other M, which NOA were expecting to sell somewhere in the range of 1 – 1.5 million units. Obviously, it did nowhere near those numbers, and if it ever does reach that point, it won’t be at full price.

          (Just so you know, I’m not supporting NOA’s “update” on op: Rainfall. It was very stupid of them to promise an update and then follow up with a standard PR statement that could be interpreted in a dozen different ways.)

          • You are probably right about the fostering an audience thing.  It seems Microsoft doesn’t get much attention in Japan one way or another.  But I wouldn’t say their investments are entirely fruitless.  Even if their software endeavours don’t sell, they have regardless been able to attract developers who otherwise would have probably gone to Sony, and this in turn weakens Sony’s base in other territories, while bolstering their own.  In this case I’m thinking of games like Lost Odyssey and Magna Carta 2 for example.  Last Remnant as well, only came out for 360, and yet people are still hoping for it in those famitsu most wanted lists.

            Yes, Microsoft is a huge company and as such can subsidize seemingly nonsensical operations.  But at the same time, Nintendo is a game company.  Is it so much to ask for them to localize atleast 1 of these games that are already being tuned for Europe?  Isn’t that their trade? What, is it because of piracy or something?  In that case, I can sympathize, but lately I feel like this “nintendo is just a game company” rationale is becoming an excuse for them to shut down anything that won’t make them a huge immediate profit, and justify a lot of lame moves and price gouging.  Nintendo clearly kicked everyones ass this generation, it’s not like they’re is suffering, is it?  

            But the wii doesn’t exactly have a lot lined up right now, and it shows.  Mega64 was even making fun of them very recently for it.  I feel like localizing even one of the games would pay off in the long run, whether it covers costs or not (I’m sure Xenoblade atleast would), it would have other effects such as renewing confidence for WiiU and 3DS, and show that they are interested in assembling a diverse library, and just save face in general.

            The “Who are they hearing” thing, I was just trying to ask which constituencies are they actually catering to?  Because this is already one group they are trying to brush off, and it doesn’t feel right considering their PR speak of representing gamers.

          • But that’s just it, right? They said it themselves in that statement — “we never say never” followed immediately by a “no plans -at this time-“. For whatever reason, they aren’t ready to make an official announcement.

            There could be many reasons for this. Perhaps they’re waiting for a time when they won’t lose money on the dollar, being a Japanese company. Perhaps NOA are re-dubbing the voices in “American” English. Perhaps they want to focus on Zelda and the other games they have coming out this year for the moment.

            This was a silly way to respond, I agree, but they didn’t say ‘no’. They just said “not at this time,” and I feel like people are jumping the gun, especially considering how many times in the past we’ve heard “not at this time” followed by a localization announcement months later. :)

          • DanteJones

            @Ishaan:disqus since it won’t let me reply to you.
            It’s a bit of a stretch when I think about it, but it’d be interesting if Nintendo’s statement was meant to test how sturdy the Operation Rainfall’s movement was. Like you said it could go either way so if support remained strong they could come out with an official statement and start working on a localization, or if it crumbled immediately they could leave it as “no plans at this time”, or even say “we won’t be localizing these titles” at a later date.

            Almost sounds like a sort of conspiracy theory, but it sounded cool in my head. XD

          • malek86

            @Ishaan:disqus I must admit, there are indeed some differences. When it came to Fatal Frame 4, Reggie outright said “we are not the publisher”, so that would have squashed any hope right away. But this time they only said “maybe”, so who knows. Perhaps they might actually do it.

            I still don’t believe it though. The Wii market is almost done for. Zelda and MP9 will probably be their last big efforts.

          • @malek86:disqus I think people are ignoring the fact that there’ve been a LOT of cases where we’ve heard “no plans at this time” in the past, only to have those games announced at a later date. Catherine’s only the most recent example, but the “no plans at this time” is a standard line for, say, Capcom, as well.

            I do believe both of these games are high-profile enough that NOA will bring them over at some point. Keep in mind that Dragon Quest X is next year, too, and there is zero chance that they’ll pass on that (if they continue to publish). 

            I think it simply comes down to their release calendar and spacing out releases according to revenue. The Euro is stronger and contributes more to a Japanese company, thus Xenoblade’s release is prioritized in Europe. In the U.S., they probably want to focus on games like Zelda and Mystery Case Files and the new Wii Motion (forgetting the title) game for this year, and leave these titles for next year when most development resources will have shifted over to Wii U and 3DS.

            @DanteJones:disqus I think the conspiracy theory might be stretching it. XD Nintendo’s a smart company, and they understand the market and demographics better than any other publisher; that’s why they’re successful. If a decision was made regarding these games, it was made long ago, and there’s little that can be done to change it at this point.  

        • malek86

          “It’s like Microsoft in Japan, even if they are somewhat making fools of themselves and hemorrhaging money, they have the right idea in trying to foster and nurture an audience. It’s an investment.”

          Last time I checked, japanese gamers, people on the web, and even on this very site, are pretty much laughing all the time at Microsoft’s piss-poor performance in Japan. Heck, I’d laugh too, if it weren’t almost sad that they couldn’t even make a dent even after getting all those JRPGs in the first few years.

          I don’t see how they had the right idea. And after 10 years of failures, it doesn’t even look like an investment anymore.

          • Yes, their numbers might be extremely weak, but they are establishing a base in a foreign market that they have never had, and forging bonds with business partners.  I think that counts for something, even if they aren’t making a monetary return yet.  It is the opposite of what Nintendo is doing on this occasion, ignoring a market and letting it diminish, the remnants of which will move to Sony or where-ever without a fight.

            For Microsoft, whether they have the right idea or not, whether they have been able to win over consumers or not, they HAVE been able to win over many Japanese developers, and that in turn weakens Sony.  I’m sure there are many games that Japanese gamers would have liked to play but were too stubborn to get an xbox.  Last Remnant comes to mind.  Microsoft is showing that they are willing to fight for an audience, and I find that gesture much less sad than what Nintendo is doing here.

      • malek86

        “Indeed, I was hoping more from Nintendo when they said they were going to focus more on the core gamers, and am a bit disappointed with this recent statement.”

        You guys misunderstood. When Nintendo said they were going to target the core gamers again, you immediately thought of Xenoblade and Last Story. Fat chance. Ten bucks says Nintendo was referring to today’s core gamers: the kind that plays COD on the 360 and PS3. Like it or not, that’s the new core. After all, if the 360 has the highest attach ratio in games, it means there’s money to be made with that kind of market.

        For comparison, JRPG fans are much more difficult to please: they want a good localization, they want dual audio, they want every game that ever comes out in Japan ever or they’ll boycott… not to mention, games like COD are made by western studios, so you don’t even need to pay for the localization.

        It would be oh-so-naive to think that the world still revolves around us (did it ever? Maybe fifteen years ago…)

        • DanteJones

          Man, I wish the gaming world revolved around us, then we wouldn’t have to worry about these kinds of things!

          Seriously though, I hope that’s not what Nintendo means when it says core gamers nowadays. While it’s great that they’d be expanding into a different genre that will probably make them more money, it’s sort of a… step to the side instead of forward. It wouldn’t help to justify purchasing a WiiU either in my case if it’s going to be mainly FPS’s, because that’s what my 360 is for. Hopefully they mean different groups of people when they say “core gamers”, FPS and RPG players alike. It might be a bit of wishful thinking, but it’s not a bad thing to hope for.

          I agree with you on the JRPG fans thing. Check out any topic about a JRPG coming out and nine times out of ten you’ll see someone complaining about one of the things you listed, haha.

    • so them saying no plans at the moment is slapping people in the face 

    • RupanIII

      “This was really their chance to say “we’re listening” and they blew it.”

      Didn’t they actually say something like that at E3? We hear you hardcore gamers!.. so here’s the Wii-U oh and btw, no JRPGs for you.

  • …what a GREAT update. /sarcasm

  • Crisis averted. For now.

  • I’ve been keeping as much hope as possible before the game was even released in Japan and while their “reply” wasn’t a straight up “No” , it still felt like they threw a giant rock at my head.
    You’d just think with everything going on now they would wait to comment until they actually had something to say.
    Still keeping hope, just felt like I got slapped in the face is all.

  • cj_iwakura

    Nintendo to fans: aww, you think we care? That’s cute.

    • Caligula

      Well, if you look on the bright side, at least they acknowledged fans’ efforts.  They could have just ignored you guys.

      • cj_iwakura

        This is no better than typical PR tripe. Atlus gives us Growlanser fans the same response. This is no acknowledgement. This is a slap in the face.

        • Caligula

          It is too an acknowledgement.  You think it’s a slap in the face and a non-acknowledgement because you didn’t hear what you wanted to hear, which was “yes, we’re localizing.”

          • cj_iwakura

            You don’t promise fans a response then just say ‘we’re not doing these games’ three days later. That is Louis Cypher-caliber evil. 

          • Caligula

            “No” is still a response.

          • since they never said no i dont get how there evil

            all this means is that there not ready to make a full statement on what the answer will be taking it as a no is all in your head as it could go either way

    • Aoshi00

      I could imagine the guys bouncing off the titles to Reggie..  Disaster, nah.. Last Window, naw… Another R, meh… Xenoblade, hm… nein, Last Story, non.. Pandora’s Tower, nyet.. but Reggie, the fans, no1 on Amazon, trailed off….  We got Zelda and Maro and Wii-insert name, who needs those games.. lol.. 

      I actually imported all of these games alrdy (I just bought a Jpn system and don’t care what Nintendo has to say), except Last Window.. is that a worthy sequel to Hotel Dusk and worth importing the European copy for? I think it’s a pity not more people could play ASH..

      • DanteJones

        I played my friend’s copy of Last Window for a couple hours and I liked it, although it felt like it was missing something that the original had. There’s a couple story things too that he filled me in on, but I’ll skip those since its pretty spoiler-ish. XD All in all though, if you liked the first one you’ll probably enjoy the sequel.

        • Aoshi00

          Thanks for not spoiling :), I do plan on getting it eventually.  I just thought I would wait the cheaper US version if possible instead of importing for $50, I guess it just ain’t happening like Another Code R.. it’s kind of sad the US got the first games but not the sequel.. Tracing Memory was evening an early DS title..   seems like Europe is finally getting a big break lol..

      • Well with only Nintendos evergreen titles selling well, why spend the money to localize those other titles that wont sell as much anyway…Though they are bringing that fortune street or something and another mario party…guess they want to appeal to everyone. 

        • Aoshi00

          Exactly, which means, like many others have said, Nintendo just doesn’t care about core gamers.  And if these are indeed not localized while they all have been translated to Eng and released in Europe, it just adds insult to injury.  And if they really are so adamant in not localizing these, then at least don’t go thru such lengths to region lock to block people from spending money and legitimately importing.

  • Translation: “We only care about Mario, Metroid, and Zelda.”

    • YsyDoesIt

      They clearly don’t even care about Metroid.

      • Well, we’ve gotten pretty much every Metroid game to date, so…

        • Bruce

          I’m pretty sure he’s talking about the “Metroid other M” incident . So many reboots , so many franchises ruined .

          • That game’s not even canon.

          • Actually had the most ties to the series’ canon. It also would make sense as a legitimate installment since Adam was mentioned in a few games (the first to come to mind being Fusion) and its not a bad game, sure she’s a whiny emo girl, and I wish it used the classic controller, its not a bad start. I wouldn’t say it ruined a franchise, and its not like Metroid hasn’t seen it’s share of reboots like Prime.

      • It’s true. It’s the 25th Metroid Anniversary, and look at what it gets.


  • Kaoro

    Extremely disappointing. Frustrating too :(.

    I think this hyper-conservative attitude is going to hurt Nintendo in the long run. I do not think the casual market that made the Wii such a success will move on to the WiiU very quickly. 

    Even if these games don’t yield stellar profits in NA, I think the good it does for your core users is important. Unfortunately when Nintendo refers to “core” I think they mean the CoD/Gears/Halo crowd.

    Ah well. I’m not really understanding how PAL games can run on NTSC Wiis with just a softmod, but apparently they can. Importing + homebrew to the rescue!

    • This is what I am afraid of.  If by “core” they mean the shooter crowd, then the WiiU will be pretty redundant in terms of its library.

      • Somehow, at some point “Core” gamers became people who buy less then 5 titles a year.

      • Caligula

        I don’t think anyone actually plays the Wii for shooters, so no need to worry about that :’D

    • Actually, in terms of first-party titles, I think “core” means Mario, Zelda and Metroid. Now, I don’t have a problem with either of those franchises.

      In fact, Zelda and Metroid are among my favorites, and Mario oozes with quality, but Nintendo of America seems set on believing that the North American market is satisfied with their various “Wii” series titles and the aforementioned series.

      I’m sure sales weigh heavily in their decisions on localization, but how they’ve treated NA this generation is somewhat insulting.

    • malek86

      If there’s one good thing off all this matter, it’s that people will now finally appreciate the greatness of homebrewing.

      Too often I’ve seen it slantered as just “hacking and pirating”. Now you can see what good it does.

      • Kaoro

        Yeah. Time to start learning more about the process… I have stayed away from the homebrew scene because I do not want to deal with potential problems with Wii OS updates. Homebrew sites all assure there is no risk, but I can’t imagine anything preventing Nintendo from releasing an update tomorrow that bricks or removes systems with the Homebrew channel installed.

        And if Skyward Sword requires that update, I’d nerd rage for weeks on end.

        • daizyujin

          Nothing bricks anything.  Nintendo’s new titles do not “unmod” or brick your system.  They merely delete a few ios files that some hackers use.  These can easily be reinstalled though after you finish playing the game so no loss and it won’t even touch the HBC so long as you have the latest version installed.

          In other news, if you have a fully hacked Wii that you use for things beyond HBC all you have to do with the new game is put it in your machine, and boot it with a booting program inside the HBC.  The game runs just the same and it bypasses the whole update necessity.

          Nintendo and the PiracyHatersAnon Group have done a good job of scaring people into thinking that softmodding a Wii is going to make it blow up.  I can tell you, I have known several people who have done it multiple times.  It is very safe so long as you have half a brain cell and READ THE DIRECTIONS!

      • daizyujin

        Agreed.  It is nice for me to be able to admit that I have HBC and not have everybody hide their wallets like I am going to go around pickpocketing.

        When will people ever learn that “opening” a system is NOT piracy.  It is about using the device you paid for in the manner you want to.

        Just remember all you Geohotz haters, installing the HBC in a lot of ways is the same thing as what Hotz was originally going for with the PS3 so if you have been drinking the Geohotz Haterade and you go for the HBC, you are a hypocrite.

  • HarryHodd

    Nintendo gave up the hardcore a long time ago. That said, proof is in the pudding for this RPG gamer. I will not buy another Nintendo console until they provide several JRPGs on the system in NA.

  • Nintendo’s pulling a Namco I see. I’m not surprised really. NoA just probably doesn’t think JRPGs will do well in America.

  • Well, I’m sure they haven’t ruled it out entirely, but the longer you wait the less likely it is to succeed. If they don’t change their minds and at least make an announcement before the year is up, I can’t see it ever happening.

    I modded my Wii last week because I intended to import the PAL version from the day it was announced, but I really hope that The Last Story gets localized in Europe as well. We should get a fan translation going ASAP, to be on the safe side. Valkyria Chronicles III as well. :P

    Still, even more than wanting to play the games myself, I feel awful for the rest of the fans that won’t be able to import. I also feel pretty bad for Monolith and Mistwalker, can’t imagine they enjoy seeing fans of their work get left out in the cold.

  • Yanchamaru

    The next step of Operation Rainfall should be convincing other publishers to buy the North American IP rights and release those games.

    • Perhaps hound Nintendo about region locking, would really help the Wii U.  A bit harder to accomplish.

      Push the titles that actually does get localized, so we don’t end up having to fail “tests”.

      Another good idea is perhaps convince Nintendo to make an imprint for niche and mature titles like Touchstone. A dedicated team working on such titles may help in the long run.

  • oh well then my 2 import titles still stand.

    suck’s to hear they have no plans but europ get xenoblade (lucky)

  • YsyDoesIt

    Nintendo of America can…oh, never mind. I’m actually looking forward to Modding my Wii to experience Xenoblade with British voice acting.

  • A friend just informed me that NOA also said “no plans at this time” in regard to Mother 3.  The GBA is pretty much dead, but the WiiU will have backwards compatibility with Wii games.  So which is it NOA?  Are these games never getting localized or what?

    • Im quite sure that there is hope for Mother 3! 

    • I hope not. I need these games to stay cool.

    • kupomogli

      The DS had backwards compatibility with the GBA.  Just like the DS, the Wii U is a new system and the BC is more than likely not there to release new Wii games.

      • 3DS is backwards compatible with DS games and we’re still seeing DS releases.

  • AzureNova

    I know they said “No plans at this time” which doesn’t mean never, but for some reason that statement still kinda hurt.

  • masuto

    “No plans at this time” means never because Wii-U is taking over. ><

  • It’s just like I said: Nintendo was taking its time to figure out how best to say “no” without getting its face ripped off.

    We have to take “no plans at this time” for what it really means: a euphemistic, PR-spinned “not gonna happen.” It’s ambiguous, yes, but Nintendo can hide in that ambiguity: if they claim “no plans at this time” and turn out to have no plans ever, then we can’t say they lied. This way, they feel they can say “no” and get away with it.

    That’s the thing, though. They aren’t. Operation Rainfall has yet to truly begin. If Nintendo thinks it’s seen PR fallout from their E3 gaffe, they haven’t seen anything yet.

  • *Sigh* NOA, you have disappointed me. I’ve fully
    supported Nintendo since the SNES days, but now I can see why so many
    have strayed from Nintendo to Sony or Microsoft. I don’t know why they
    don’t bring the games over considering the demand. “No plans at this time” is just a professional and around the bush way of saying “no plans at all”. Why did NOA have to go all Namdai on us!?

  • Damn.  It would be nice if The Last Story would be the swan song for the Wii… in America.

  • epy

    If I can count on someone dissapointing me, its Nintendo NA (..well, and Atlus USA, Bamco USA and of course SEGA)! Its nice to have something constant for years now in this world full of changes, even if that constant is vile and despicable.

  • Let’s all set fire to ourself in front of the NoA HQ, after we’ve softmodded our Wii’s and played the PAL versions.

    • malek86

      Meanwhile, at the NOA HQ.

      Employee: Mr. Reggie, those hardcore gamers are down there, and keep clamoring for Xenoblade and Last Story!
      Reggie: dammit. We’ll need to deal with them some way or the other. What are our options?
      Employee: wait a second… they are setting themselves on fire!
      Reggie: oh cool, that’s killing two birds with one stone. Ok guys, now you can get back to making Mario Party 9.

      • solbalmung

        LOL! I think Reggie last reply should be somthing like: Guys keep working on that Big Mama cooking or what ever localization, we don’t care about RPG’s or good games HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR!

  • Go for the homebrew channel guys! It costs as much as an SD card and a rented game in the worst case. And better preorder asap, those import game dealers are not sleeping on their pricing either!

    Nintendo of America is one huge joke of a company. I shouldn’t be this upset (PAL gamer), but I am.

  • banballow

    Reggie: The gamers of North America will look up and shout “Games please?”.
    … and I’ll whisper, “No”.

  • darkfox1

    yeah it makes sense they are gonna wait until the Wii COMPLETELY dies out…… I mean I don’t even know any Wii game that came out recently that is even worth mentioning, Hell I don’t even KNOW about any Wii games that came out. They should have already been making these games so if they were to come out let’s say tomorrow they can at least be the last good wii selling games…. But the way they say “no plans now” THEN WHEN WHEN THE WII IS DEAD?

  • its still a slap in the face to those who really dedicated time into this movement but it’s all good i will always support nintendo no matter what.  i ain’t spend much time on the movement just preordered monado on amazon is all

  • Kris

    I can’t think of a recent Japanese game released in North America that a publisher hasn’t had “no plans” for at some point or another. It’s a standard PR response that doesn’t necessarily mean much. While I agree that it’s a pretty terrible “update” given the excitement around Operation Rainfall, I certainly don’t think people should act as though all hope is lost. It seems unlikely to me that RPGs with such impressive pedigrees wouldn’t be released in North America.

  • I really don’t get NoA… The game comes out in UK, it’s already translated in english, how dumb can they be to not announce it in US. I’m really disappointed sometimes from Nintendo (I’m from Switzerland, PAL though), but it’s the same with the 3DS as well, why going back to regional protection again?
    I love their games really, but somehow I still think Nintendo’s only after the money and do not really think of the real fans and hardcore gamers… To release this three games would maybe not give that much profit, but it would be a sign to the fans.

    The best way is to learn japanese and import everything… :-/

    • vemir

      Arc rise Fantasia released in english in american, then why not realesed in the eu? (i’m  from hungary )Which are translated to English, why not to realesed both in eu/usa ? i do not understand this logic … 

      • Gelsa

        Because they would have to translate it to German, French, Spanish, Italian and whatever language a European country it wants it games in.

        • vemir

          I see most of our players are playing games in English only in hungary,  think it would be enough to release  English  language game in eu first place and later  translated into german etc …so we do not miss games like arc rise fantasia.
          And let’s say, very few games are translated in to our  language :(

          • Gelsa

            I’m assuming that Hungary doesn’t have a policy/rule/law to dub every media that comes into it (Germany dubs nearly everything, even porn). Germany however does have a policy/rule/law or whatever it is that everything must include German into it :/ And with politicians that refuse to change and it’s population of around 82 million people they can’t be ignored. They’re to big of a potential market.

            Personally I think it would be enough to simply remove the region lock so people could import the games they want to have without modding their console. Nintendos attitude towards region locking is exactly the reason I won’t support them with the Wii U or 3DS. I mean, you really gonna add a region lock to the 3DS when the DS didn’t have one? And when it’s a portable console and people travel the world more than ever?

          • Corvax

            That seems like sort of a silly law to me…  I could understand the rationale if German was a dying language like Irish, but it’s not.  Oh, well.  At least Germany is big, so the translation efforts don’t go to waste the way they would in a smaller country.

            To be fair, though, unlocking consoles would mean English-speaking Europeans would just import games from North America.  Most companies wouldn’t actually bother localizing for Europe, so non-English speakers would miss out.  I don’t think there’s any real easy solution for the region lock problem as far as Europeans go.

          • Gelsa

            Why can’t I reply to Corvax? Feels stupid to reply to myself.

            Anyways, the DS is region free. Same with the PS3, PSP and IIRC the PSVita has been announced to be region free as well and for the consoles that has been released, it has worked out pretty well.

        • and that’s beyond dumb..
          no offense, but gamer, before being gamers are person.. and nowdays if there’s a common-ground language that is recognized in all europe (and beyond) it’s english..
          So really playing in english should be the “norm” while localization should jsut be a sporadic “plus-value”..

          • malek86

            If you want to reach a bigger market, you’ll need to localize the games.

            You have no idea just how many people don’t know more than one language. In the forum I go to, there are many people who say “yeah, but does it have italian language? If not, I won’t buy it, because I can’t read english”. Other people can read english well enough for an action game, but not well enough for an entire RPG of dialogues. And mind, it’s a hardware-related forum, so people would be supposed to know some english due to their line of work.

            Overall, releasing a game only in english is like accepting to sell to a much smaller market.

            And besides, while that could be acceptable for smaller companies, NOE has always localized their games in multi-5 ever since the Gamecube era.

          • Sorry, but you couldn’t be more wrong… and more insulting saying it’s “beyond dumb”.

            Even if English is the international language, that doesn’t mean that you must (nor should) know it by default.

            And even if you do know English, the feelings you have from it are not the same that you get with your mother tongue.

            Famous Spaniard actor Javier Bardem spoke about this once. He said that he has said plenty of times the words “I love you” ever since he started performing in English, but that for him those words doesn’t have the same emotional impact that the Spanish version (“Te quiero”). He has way more life memories attached to the Spanish words than to the English ones. Hence, he needs to do an extra effort when he performs in English that he doesn’t need when he does in Spanish.

            And that’s true for common people too. When you read in a different language, even in one that you have some skill with, you have to make extra efforts that you are not supposed to make. Things like sayings, idioms, puns, etc… You need a REALLY high level of English that most people are never gonna get… and they don’t have to.

            I know that English native speakers have a REALLY hard time empathizing with this, but it’s just the way it is. You tend to give too much for granted when it comes to your language.

            Like malek86 says, if you release a game only in English, then you are self-limiting your market and the number of people you are gonna reach.

            The problem is that localization is VERY expensive and time consuming (at least, if you wanna do it right), so it’s kind of a vicious circle: you don’t localize because you don’t get enough sells, but you don’t have enough sells because you don’t localize.

      • Extra_Life

        There are more languages to translate to for Europe, that’s usually a costly issue.

    • thebanditking

      If rumor can be believed I was told NOA has a pretty strict policy on releasing games that have British accents and believe that people over here won’t accept the title because of it. Not sure if I by it but seems to apply here.

      • Rumor seems inconsistent then, NoA is localizing and releasing the last of the DS Layton games.  A series based in London.

  • vemir

    Finally europa gets an wii jrpg game, but I never thought that this would be xenoblade.I hope Nintendo europe realese  Arc rise Fantasia, Last story, pandora tower  too. 
    No worries american  gamers, we eu players never got xenogears,parasite eve 1, baten kaitos origins, tales games . 

  • malek86

    Honestly, this is the kind of answer I was expecting from the start. When has this kind of campaigning ever worked?

    • AdrianHeng

      The pressure fans put on Atlus and Namdai resulted in the localizations of both Catherine and a Tales title. Which, I suppose, gave hope to others that they could do the same with Nintendo. Tough luck …

      • malek86

        Atlus was probably going to localize Catherine anyway, but wanted to bid their time – it was just that fans had become paranoid due to all the lack of localization announcements from other companies, and so wanted a straight answer immediately, so Atlus retracted their previous statement (besides, come on… the 360 version should have been enough of a hint).

        As for Tales, maybe it worked… or maybe Namco just noticed that their previous plan of making western-aimed games didn’t work, and so naturally returned to localizing their japanese games. I’m not sure fans really had a hand on the matter like they believe.

        • I have to agree. Catherine had to have been worked on a way long time before fans were getting agitated about it. How fast did those trailers come out after its reveal, and press shots in english, etc. 

      • Catherine was always coming to America, Atlus subtly teased it even before the whole “no plans” comment, which was a standard PR response blown out of proportion. 

    • Tales of Graces F?

  • Crimson_Cloud

    Hmm, on that  ”Thanks so much for your passion, and for being such great fans!” should be replied with ”And thank you for being such a normal businessmen!”

  • XypherCode

    it’s their loss

  • AdrianHeng

    I wish NoA would be less of an ass and just answer with a simple “yes” or “no”. This fence sitting, “we’ll wait and see” kind of response really grates on my nerves. “No plans at the moment” is no better than a candy coated “no” anyway. And it was pretty much the answer I was expecting (and dreading) – with the Wii U around the corner, Nintendo seems about ready to pack up the Wii’s support and toss it in a basement. 

  • SirRichard

    How does it feel, America?


    Oh I’m sorry, not quite sure what came over me there. Er-hem.

    I’m repeating myself here but it is a shame that Nintendo of America seem completely dedicated to not localizing anything that isn’t a guaranteed million-seller. I mean, Nintendo of Europe’s already done the localization work (without using the same five voices everyone else uses, too), just lift that over.

  • Phlo

    This is exactly why I’m not touching a 3DS until I can be sure there’s a way to play import games on it. Obviously, I can’t trust Nintendo to do the smart thing and localize even their own damn games.

  • Hey, Nintendo, where did you ever get the crazy idea that I would take ‘no’ for an answer?

    I really don’t see how this is making a case for a pysical game market like Nintendo wants.  If I had a hacked Wii, I could download the games, not pay a cent, and never have to deal with any localizing crap ever again.  Nintendo, why again should I play it your way, if you’re going to fail me?

  • 128bitigor

    So that’s how Nintendo plan to cater to hardcore audiences, huh? 

  • Guest

    They need to add Zangeki No Reginliev and Earth Seeker to Project Rainfall but ah what’s the point NoA obviously doesn’t care

    • Earth Seeker is 3rd party, we have a better chance of getting that one.

    • Shinji Kazuya

      Yes, I’m really hoping for Earth Seeker myself. Looks like a really fun action RPG!

  • theoriginaled

    “Thank you for your apathy. We promised an update, so here it is. We
    never say “never,” but we can confirm that there are no plans to buy any more Nintendo hardware or software at this time. Thanks so much for your response, and for being steadfast in your refusal to listen to your fans!”

    • malek86

      Unfortunately, Nintendo fans have never been particularly good at boycotting.

      Reggie: we are never going to localize Xenoblade ever.
      Fans: damn you Nintendo! We are no buying no more games from you! No more!
      Reggie: by the way, here’s a new Zelda trailer.
      Fans: omg want! … well, it will be just one exception, got it?
      Reggie: also, some Super Mario 3D screenshots.
      Fans: we want this game so much! But… it’s just two exceptions! Just two!
      Reggie: and stay tuned for tomorrow, when we’ll have some Kid Icarus footage.

      • Nintendo fans have caught themselves in an elaborate scheme of the world of Nintendo…unless gamers get tired of Zelda and Mario.  Im honestly shocked Ninty just didnt just abandon their other properties this gen. 

        • thebanditking

          Agreed. It never surprises me how often Nintendo screws their biggest supporters over and after a small outburst they all go right back to kissing their rear. They will excuse anything, except anything, and consistently get the shaft and not just take it, but ask for more.

        • daizyujin

          Agreed.  I have a buddy that is a “video game nut” but all he knows anything about is Nintendo.  His knowledge of anything begins and stops with Nintendo.  It is embarrassing when he doesn’t even seem to realize that the “great new game” on his shiny Nintendo console is just a port or spinoff of something that has existed on a competitor’s console for years.  And then everybody just looks at him like he is insane.  He litterally looks like the elephant in the room every time he opens his mouth.

          It is odd when you have to constantly remind somebody that there were game companies out there before Nintendo.  Dude didn’t even hardly know where Activision came from and this is a guy that is older than me (31).

          The sad thing is he fully admits that the Wii has nothing on it he wants anymore, he admits Nintendo did a poor job on games he likes with the Wii, but he still is going to get Wii U, yet he has no 360 or PS3 even though both are getting several games that appeal to him and at least one is cheaper NOW than Wii U likely will be in a year.   I am not sure how a person can call themselves a “video game enthusiast” when they can honestly claim they have never owned any of the following systems.

          Atari 2600, Genesis, Playstation 1, 2, or 3, Xbox or Xbox 360, Saturn

          The guy has not owned even one of those machines.  It is like he lives in a “Nintendo Bubble.”  No matter how bad they treat him, he comes back for more punishment.  It is like he is the battered wife or something.  Punched in the face but show him a video of the 3DS and oh my god, it is like a battered spouse white trash reunion.

          It is sad when somebody lets nostalgia get in the way of their judgement.

          • Guest

            A lot of Nintendo fans are their own worst enemy. And Nintendo knows that.

  • I hope it is just sweeping it under the rug until they really do announce it later but doubt it.
    Makes me worry about their practices on the Wii U, if they cannot give us these there’s not much confidence for what they will do on the next console.

    This also hurts the company influence and respect Nintendo has, if Nintendo doesn’t want to release RPGs made by Monolith and Mistwalker what does that say to 3rd party where the recognition isn’t nearly as grand?!

    Oh and I want to softmod for import but I dunno if I can.  Console is half mine,  don’t like paying extra for the games or look online now that it is in demand (though I’ll bite in this case) and I tend to not trust these things even though my Wii is years old.

    • thebanditking

      This was the perfect time to announce this in fact E3 was. Xenoblade at least should have saw a Fall release because with Wii U coming sometime in the Spring exactly when are they going to “make” time to release this. From where I sit saying no now is the final answer.

  • Roses4Aria

    Sigh.  Isn’t this more or less what they’ve been saying all along?  So how is this update REALLY an update?  I’m disappointed, but I kind of expected it.  I’ll keep on hoping.  I’m not holding my breath, though.

    Yeah, thanks for being such great fans.  Here’s a kick in the teeth. :(

  • Equus

    I never say “never,” but I can confirm that there are no plans for me to purchase a Wii U at this time.

    • thebanditking

      Exactly like I said before Nintendo is clearly out of touch with the core market and have no clue how to properly support it. I am not buying a Wii U until these thick headed practices change, because if Nintendo can’t even localize a few titles for the core market how are they ever going to support a system designed to appeal to it.

  • Aiddon

    eh, not surprising. I’m disappointed that they don’t have any plans for them, but I can’t blame Nintendo due to the current economic climate as well the fact that they’ve spent a lot of capital on the Wii U’s development.

  • Just thought of something.  What if there’s a low print for Xenoblade and Last Story?  With the huge import demand and the fans living in Europe already, this is going to be a pain to buy for an American isn’t it?
    Also if everybody imports then the sales for the US version (if they actually bite later on) would be low…
    Ah dammit decisions decisions.  I already stated why I might not import it but wow what a way to screw a gamer over.

  • thebanditking

    Wow really Nintendo? This is a new low even for you, this was the perfect opportunity to throw your most loyal supporters a bone as a good faith effort. Would have done wonders for you come Wii U time, but no; you remain an unchanging dinosaur, content to only release titles that fit within your narrow view created by bean counters and focus groups. Sad really….”We never say “never,” (is that a Justin Beiber plug?)

  • darkfox1

    My Wii is Soft modded so I can import it. I can also download and burn it too. 
    *Evil Face* 

  • daizyujin

    Step 1:  Install the Homebrew Channel.

    Step 2:  Install Gecko OS for booting imports, it works great on my copy of Tatsunoko Vs Capcom I imported.

    Step 3:  Buy the game from Europe.

    Step 4:  Play the game while giving your favorite obscene gesture to the picture of Reggie of your choice (or whoever you blame for the game not coming here, I actually have a dartboard with a picture of Douchebag Director (aka Michael Bay))

  • I prayed for months and months {i think a year?!} and my prayer was heard for KOF XIII.

    Out of the blue nintendo might be like oh and Last story xenoblade and pandoras tower are coming out for the wii!

    Have some hope people………. i mean these games would be a good selling point for the WiiU maybe nintendo have a mad idea?? {or there just dumb}

    I live in the Uk[woah we got a good game for once ^^] if worst comes to worst i might just help you guys out by buying a ton of xenoblade copies and sending them your way……….

    Your souls as payment please:P

    • Guest

      Earth Seeker
      Zangeki no Reginliev
      Dragon Quest Monsters Battle Road Victory

  • thaKingRocka

    I don’t think being told that I’m getting nothing really deserves enthusiasm and exclamation points. I would expect more along the lines of an apology with solemn periods and such.

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