The Phantom Pain And Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes Are Two Separate Games [Update 2]

By Ishaan . March 27, 2013 . 7:31pm

Earlier today, Kojima Productions announced that Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes and The Phantom Pain together make up Metal Gear Solid V. This made it sound like the two are the same game, but this isn’t actually the case.

 

We got in touch with Konami to ask just what the deal is with the two titles, and the publisher’s Director of Public Relations, Jay Boor, informed us that they are in fact two separate games.

 

Ground Zeroes and The Phantom Pain are two separate games,” Boor clarified to Siliconera via e-mail. “GZ will be a prologue to The Phantom Pain.”

 

Meanwhile, on Twitter, Hideo Kojima writes: “’Ground Zeroes’ is a prologue of ‘MGSV’. 9 years after that event will be ‘The Phantom Pain’. MGSV is constructed w/ prologue and main game ‘TPP’. The game play demo I presented today is the opening of ‘TPP’ which is tutorial that starts from crawling.”

 

Update: When we pressed Boor for further details and asked if both The Phantom Pain and Ground Zeroes are for the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, he replied: “Can’t comment on the SKUs unfortuantely [sic]. TPP is definitely 360 and PS3 though.”

 

Update 2: We got in touch with Boor again, this time asking if the two games will be part of the same package or on the same disc. He replied: “Can’t confirm at this time”.

 


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  • Nitraion

    Whatever let me play them!!!! D:

  • http://youtube.com/miyabigaming 水木

    They are? i’m confused even more now

  • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

    They should quit calling it a prologue that is just confusing people/

  • colorblindnightmare

    OMFG…..I want so badly…….two games….and the teaser trailer made my inner techy gasm all over the place. :D

  • generic-user-name a.k.a GUN

    I don’t know what’s real anymore. Are you happy now Kojima?

    • Juan Andrés Valencia

      To be fair… it’s not as bad as Hideki Anno releasing a trailer for The End Of Evangelion which is basically live action footage of a woman walking around Japan with an umbrella or the 3.0 trailer which was a piano playing itself.

      • Brandon001

        But thats eva…

        • Juan Andrés Valencia

          I was comparing just how confusing this is to another series of confusing trailers and statements. Sorry if I didn’t make it clear.

          • Brandon001

            im just pissed that these two titles apparently arent one in the same, dont mind me

          • Juan Andrés Valencia

            Well, you can call it Metal Gear Solid 5: Ground Zeroes Of The Phantom Pain plus the subtitle of the enhanced version. Although it still is confusing as hell, that’s like calling each campaign in RE6 with different names while also sharing the same title.

          • Ouch My Head Said Dionysus

            The rest of the web seems to think that they are the same game, with Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain being akin to the tanker and Big Shell chapters of MGS2.

          • Mohamad Faizal

            the article fool you, you know that?
            Ground Zeroes is a prologue, to separate it as a full game?
            get real.

  • マッシュー

    So.. Both are included and just play the Ground Zeroes before Phantom Pain, lol.

  • http://strictlyapathy.comoj.com/ SoulArbiter

    The plot thickens!

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/EnvyMizuhashi Garyuu of Spades

    So then it’s either two games that will have a massive release gap or it’s a Pokemon Red/Blue release. *shrugs*

  • Brandon001

    COME ON, SERIOUSLY?

  • Altritter

    Kind of confusing and vague, but for now I’m just going to assume they are both on the MGS5 disc(s) and work like Tanker/Plant. That’s what it’s sounding like, anyway.

  • Brandon001

    what is going on…., looked at my calendar and it isnt april 1st yet.

  • http://simplephilistine.wordpress.com/ Arla

    Unnecessarily confusing. The wacky teasing can get fun but then it just gets stupid with stuff like this.

    • Brandon001

      its funny, my excitement just fell a bit.

      just when we all thought it was all clear.

    • D H

      Not really. I imagine it’s nothing more confusing than MGS2, with the Tanker Chapter and the Plant Chapter.

      • http://simplephilistine.wordpress.com/ Arla

        The difference being there wasn’t an MGS: The Tanker and MGS 2: The Plant.

  • Solomon_Kano

    Wut. So it is two games? Okay then, yay! Until the next update says they’re really one game lol.

    Edit: Wait. Wait. WAIT!

    They said The Phantom Pain is definitely for PS3/360… but they can’t confirm the SKUs of its prequel? The game that comes first, they can’t talk about it’s platforms? Well, it obviously won’t be next gen if the sequel is current gen so… I’m calling it now. Ground Zeroes on Vita at E3, The Phantom Pain for home consoles.

    If I’m wrong, I’m wrong, but nothing’s certain with Kojima! That Transfarring talk wasn’t for nothing, I just know it!

    • http://s1.zetaboards.com/Espada_of_Alexandria/index/ konpon568

      Ground Zeroes is for 3DS, sorry.

      • Solomon_Kano

        But what about the Neo Geo X???

        • M’iau M’iaut

          I think an NGPC exclusive will be just fine.

          • Solomon_Kano

            Only if they port it to WonderSwan Color later.

          • M’iau M’iaut

            I actually think I had a reserve on a WonderSwan back in the day. Better go ape s*it since it got cancelled!

          • Solomon_Kano

            Dood, now you can’t collect your pre-order bonus!

        • http://s1.zetaboards.com/Espada_of_Alexandria/index/ konpon568

          Maybe as a Final Mix/Turbo Edition kind of game.

          • Solomon_Kano

            Will it have a new secret movie to unlock?

  • SirRichard

    Now you’re just blowing my mind, here.

    EDIT: Wait wait wait, I see now. He wasn’t deceiving us when he said Ground Zeroes isn’t MGS5 last year, not even in a “not by itself it isn’t!” way, it actually isn’t MGS5 strictly. Phantom Pain is MGS5, it just carries directly on from Ground Zeroes, which acts as a prologue/set-up to Phantom Pain.

    But then, if they’re both 360/PS3 (from what we’ve heard about each) releases, how far apart can they really be? Surely it’d be better to hold Phantom Pain off for the next generation, with Ground Zeroes as a send-off for current consoles or whatever?

    Maybe it’s just all been communicated poorly, maybe Konami don’t know what the hell they’re doing or saying (wouldn’t be the first time). Maybe they’re separate “games” in that they’re the one release, but two different sides of a game?

    I’m confused again.

  • dark zios

    Wait first he said ground zero was ps3 and 360, now he says he can’t comment, now he say the phanthom pain is ps3 and 360… what?

    • Peeka Chu

      Maybe some next gen porting, I’d wager. I’m not a big MGS fan and to be honest this sounds like a confusing mess. But that’s just my take. Props to all those who love the series.

    • Magus KilIer

      This game is a pain to follow,isn’t it?

  • anarchy_panty

    “Can’t comment on the SKUs unfortuantely [sic].”

    Ground Zeroes confirmed for iOS.

    • Solomon_Kano

      SKUs? Plural?

      Ouya version also confirmed.

      • anarchy_panty

        Siliconera’s reaction when this turns out to be true.

        • http://www.cubiz.tk/ Auragar

          Which it will never be so… crisis averted.

        • Solomon_Kano

          GAF’s reaction. Team CG will be heartbroken.

    • http://www.cubiz.tk/ Auragar

      Poor attempt at a joke.

  • Brandon001

    HOLD UP, this just means that Ground Zeroes is the prologue to the PP, much akin to how the virtuous mission was to Snake Eater, but they will be on the same disc

    • Solomon_Kano

      Except they were part of one game. The way this is sounding is more like Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Parts I/II. They’re both make up one larger story, but you have to experience them separately.

    • http://s1.zetaboards.com/Espada_of_Alexandria/index/ konpon568

      Then, the game will cost $120.

  • anthony apduhan

    So if Ground Zero’s ending with a Snake collapses or fake death after the final boss fight and his comrades or members thinking him he’s dead then that means to be continued in Phantom Pain?

    • Solomon_Kano

      Now that you mention it… would the part of the trailer where Big Boss gets shot and slips into a coma be the end of Ground Zeroes and him waking up in the hospital the beginning of TPP? Kojima does love his spoilers, after all.

  • Jahred Down

    Kojima’s doing this to punish all the #TeamCG people xD

  • StarWarudo

    So there ARE 2 MGS games? Hey, the more the merrier.

  • Scratch90

    ..You know, two games in one isn’t surprising (MGS2 anyone?) meaning that GZ episode will be like Solid Snake story in MGS2 (I mean in length)

    Of course, my idea debunked quickly on Kojima’s comment on ‘can’t confirmed GZ platform release.’

  • DesmaX

    Oh, Two MGS games now? The more the merrier for me, and Hayters gonna Hayte

    • M’iau M’iaut

      But there are no longer Hayters around to Hayte.

      • DesmaX
        • https://twitter.com/A_Beast_of_Prey Equinox K

          I’m pretty sure using clips to point out that there was a joke happening is going to become a thing around here :P.

  • https://twitter.com/A_Beast_of_Prey Equinox K

    I want Kojima Productions to confirm we will be getting panoramic shots of round and firm booty like with most MGS games. Right now Mistral has the best butt in the whole series.

    • Curan_Altea

      You misspelled Snake up there. :U

  • http://epiclyamazing.wordpress.com/ AzureNova

    Why are you messing with my mind Kojima!? >_<

  • http://www.cubiz.tk/ Auragar

    Me trying to understand what is going = head exploding.

  • benhofb

    I (oddly) hoped one of the new Metal Gear games would come to the Vita or something. But meh. Looks like I am going to have to invest in a PS3 or Xbox 360…

  • AlexanderPappas

    If you ever checked the phantom pain GAF thread then you would see that the phantom pain logo had lines sticking out the top that indirectly spelled Metal Gear Solid V.

    • Solomon_Kano

      … That’s in the MGSV trailer as well.

  • M’iau M’iaut

    The Gamestop, AMZN, Newegg, Best Buy and Target retailer-exclusive DLC revealed!

    • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

      Sir, I would like to inform you that such trolling is against our rules.

      (…I clicked the upvote, too)

      • M’iau M’iaut

        Did I forget to mention those are all on disk?

        • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

          That’s it, time for boycott.

          • anthony apduhan

            LOL you moderators have some fun time after all. *BTW I fainted at the news*

          • M’iau M’iaut

            Thanks. I’m glad it seems the community understands what I was doing with that post. We love you guys and gals all too much not to throw you a smile every now and again.

            NOW OFF TO FIND SOMEONE TO BANHAMMER FOR NO REASON AT ALL!

        • LynxAmali

          Over the line!

          That is IT!

          I AM DONE!

        • SunOatBoatMatadorQuattro
          • Tom

            That gave me an idea. How about a DLC or on-disk unlockable where you can wear bandages as Snake like in MGS4, he had many faces.

          • SunOatBoatMatadorQuattro

            It would make the story really weird. There is already a dude with that look in Phantom Pain who may or may not be Big Boss’ imaginary friend since he never helps the guy.

          • Tom

            Yeah, it’s true there was already a guy in the game. Maybe that’s why they chose the look of Joakim’s bandaged face. But wasn’t it weird when Snake had his MGS1 pixelated face in MGS4? :)

    • https://twitter.com/A_Beast_of_Prey Equinox K

      I like how the Best Buy box says “junk” on it xDDD.

    • Juan Andrés Valencia

      I’d honestly like an actual cartboard box as a pre-order incentive.

      • M’iau M’iaut

        It would be nice to see someone in the PR department smart enough to see how that would be an amazing gift.

        And just how expensive would it be to make up a small cardboard box with two eye holes and pupils glued inside? Something to hold in your hand is all that would be required.

  • Suzaku

    Sounds more like Ground Zeroes is a Tanker Chapter / Virtuous Mission while The Phantom Pain is a Big Shell Chapter / Operation Snake Eater sort of deal.

  • Go2hell66

    Metal Gear Solid 5: The Super Long Acid Trip

  • Devilgunman

    I’m not sure if this Jay Boor actually knows what he’s talking about. It’s sounds like he only knows Ground Zero is a prologue and he makes assumption that it is a separate games. Kojima said it clearly that MGSV is constructed with Ground Zero (prologue) and the main game TPP.

    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/ldp1im

    They are in the same package.

    • Armane

      If they are in the same package and Ground Zeroes is the prologue, why does TPP need to start with a tutorial?

      • Devilgunman

        The prologue and the main game don’t necessarily need to be in chronological order. MGSV could start with TPP event in the hospital and flash back to Ground Zero to explain what get BB into that situation.

        • Armane

          Good point.

    • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

      Nobody from Konami has said they’re in the same package. We specifically asked Boor this question and he wouldn’t confirm.

  • noctis_nox

    HYPED!!!!

  • Wake

    Curiosity and excitement building up. Damn it. Time travel. Cryosleep technology. DAMN IT. Somebody do something!

  • Anonymous

    So, Both of them are like, 2 parts of the same game?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephen-Mc-Devitt/100002626261475 Stephen Mc Devitt

    So Ground Zeroes will be the name of the prologue chapter in MGSV?

  • Setsu Oh

    yeah, like ff10&10-2 i figured

  • Cameron Ward

    so wait im confused…..

  • SunOatBoatMatadorQuattro

    Weird marketing decision. This reminds me to the .hack games. People will have to buy two games to know one story and Ground Zeroes might as well be filler since the trailer already shows that it ends with Big Boss falling unconscious in a helicopter in front of Master Miller. I believe The Phantom Pain is what everybody will want to play since it brings back Ocelot and it’s less a Peace Walker alike.

    Another weird thing is that Big Boss has become the protagonist of Metal Gear. He has been the lead in more games than his son: Snake Eater, Portable Ops, Peace Walker, Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain. Snake has been the lead in Metal Gear, Metal Gear 2, Solid, a quarter of Sons of Liberty and Guns of the Patriots. Meanwhile Raiden is down there with Sons of Liberty and RIsing.

  • isfuturebright

    Ok so TPP will come to x360 but Ground Zeroes might not? But isn’t TPP after ground zeroes? o.O

  • SunOatBoatMatadorQuattro

    Hayter confirmed he is not working. Might have to do with this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-Se5UHIjIfc#t=242s

  • Leonard Norwood Jr.

    To me it doesn’t even matter at this point, as far as I even can throw at it, MGSGZ and MGSV will still play out all the way to the events leading to the very first Metal Gear game. Big Boss’ life has been full of guns, blood, and death. Now he got himself more than bruised up, he’s missing a freaking arm and he was out of commission for 9 years. Coming back to see even more action and more messed up stuff for him to deal with. it’s also good to see Kaz and Revolver Ocelot too in this game. Also in mind is still Paz, oh Pacifica Ocean I mean, I still question her supposed demise, obviously the answer will come soon.

    • Solomon_Kano

      The original Ground Zeroes trailer revealed that Paz is alive.

  • KnifeAndFork

    So is this game about Solid Snake or Big Boss?

    • SunOatBoatMatadorQuattro

      Latter.

  • Saher

    oh well…back to forgetting about this game.

  • Vash bane

    hm so that one guy was right about ptantom pain …..oddly he looked at the…er….rump(yeah that) and was able tell who it was lol just wow

  • Tang_35

    Despite how confusing this sounds When its release time I can promise you it will get less confusing :P but for now it will be confusing,

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