Marie Takes Center Stage In Persona 4 Arena Ultimax’s Latest Video

By Sato . July 24, 2014 . 2:56am

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The “Tsundere Poet of the Hollow Forest,” Marie, is back to show what she can do in her debut video for Persona 4 Arena Ultimax.

 

 

The video starts out with her saying, welcome back, I haven’t forgotten about you all this time. She then explains to Margaret that while she can’t go into details due to the Velvet Room’s rules, as she might know herself, something disturbing is happening in town.

 

She is shown using various trick moves, including a present bomb from her bag. We also get a glimpse of what appears to be her Kusumi-no-Okami form, for her instant-kill attack, which brings out fog and thunderbolts.

 

Marie will appear as a DLC character following the release of Persona 4 Arena Ultimax in Japan on August 28, 2014, and later this Fall in North America for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.


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  • BizarreJelly

    Is it just me or does Margaret look more white haired in that video? I always remember her looking more Blonde.

    • thrak

      All Velvet room people have white hair, from what I’ve seen…

      • SeventhEvening

        All the attendants do. Belladonna, Nanashi and Akuma-Eshi all have black hair. Marie does as well, although you could argue she’s not a “velvet room person” since she’s not a servant to Philemon.

        • thrak

          I totally forgot about that! And I should’ve known since I played persona 1 and 2!… Well, I always thought that those others (Belladonna for sure) are not human. In my mind, even though it is just my own speculation, all human attendants are white-haired…And those who look more like..demons can look different?… It makes no sense because Demon Painter looks really more human than Elizabeth or Margareth…Who are they anyway?…I don’t know…(Except that Painter is Kaneko, right?) XD
          P.S. all I said here is simply my own thoughts plus I am not really sure about them. If you want to argue, that’s really not the right time…I don’t know myself!

          • revenent hell

            Well, I think its just a trend they started in P3 for the attendants. And Elizabeth, Margaret and the dude who could be in there from P4G for the female MC are supposed to be siblings so it makes sense they would have “similar” features of a sort….as in the white blonde hair.

            I really don’t think what manner of “creature” they are really matters, ultimately.

            Though I kind of like the attendants previous to these games.. Its like they had backgrounds not related and I found them more interesting.

            Elizabeth and Margaret (and dude who’s name I can not recall) kind of seem like total mysteries which I could go on about but wont since I get long winded…

          • SeventhEvening

            It’s implied that the Elizabeth, Margaret and Theo aren’t human. Especially Elizabeth. During their social links, they’re completely ignorant of human society and culture, as if they’ve never even interacted with humans before. The white-haired attendants treat Igor like he’s their master, but the others seem more equal to him. It could be that the white-hair attendants were created by Igor while the other were created by Philemon. But that’s just a theory.

          • thrak

            I agree with you, there is no better explanation anyway.

    • revenent hell

      I just replayed P4 and, while I agree with you, I think its the same.
      They all appear to have white blonde hair so I think its probably the different angle they present her at that makes it appear so…….at least for me.

  • Kornelious

    Her Persona looks so cool, Definitely gonna pick her up! Can’t wait for September!….or whenever this game is released :P

  • ivanchu77

    Hopefully her being DLC means she has no relevance in the story, i want to dealt with her and her mary sue shit as less as possible

    Really tired of the forced push Atlus is giving her, at this point i won´t be surprised if she ends becoming Persona 5 protagonist or something similar.

    • James Reilly

      Teddie mentions Marie in his trailer and we are seeing brief pieces of Marie’s role in the story in this trailer. Story relevance is one of the main factors to get into this game (Reason why P3 Protagonist was omitted in last Arena game and STILL in this one) so try to piece two and two together.

    • Prinnydoom

      Something Tells me she’ll be the next attendant in P5. Atlus have done to much work to keep her around to throw away her character now.

      • alhamega

        That’d be stupid. How can she possibility being an attendant after what happened in the epilogue of P4G?

        • Prinnydoom

          Jesus I made one suggestion. Chill.

          • alhamega

            I’d prefer you answer me a reasonable argument rather than telling me to chill (I’m perfectly chill) but whatever.

          • Prinnydoom

            I was basing my comment on the fact that marie was still in the velvet room in the trailer. I played P4G and saw that she became a weather reporter or whatever. She clearly has a link with them even if she isn’t a resident doesn’t seem so unreasonable to assume that she would be a part of it even if it was just in a support capacity.

          • alhamega

            The P4G epilogue happened after P4U2 (I assume you didn’t watch P4G epilogue, correct?) so this will be a different case for her.

          • Prinnydoom

            Fair enough.

      • thrak

        Please no

      • SeventhEvening

        That would be incredibly unlikely and extremely out of character of Atlus. She could, possibly, maybe, unlikely appear as a cameo or secret boss. But even that is a rather extreme stretch.

    • alhamega

      “she ends up becoming Persona 5 protagonist”

      You’ve lost all your sense.

    • thrak

      *GASP* Marie as Persona 5 protagonist?!!! Don’t scare me like that…

    • scdk

      Do you get upset over things like TES “canon” too?

      The nice thing about fictional fantasies is that they’re complete bullshit, and your own personal fiction doesn’t need to match what someone else feeds you.

      If ignoring Marie becomes a terrible, unbearable life burden, there’s always the option of just not playing games with her in it, although that’d take some level of self-control.

      Maybe they should get rid of the “Mary Sue” MCs too, what with their flawless personal confrontation, ability to control multiple Personas, make friends effortlessly, and become social and combative demi-gods.

      • thrak

        Yu and Minato were the cornerstones of their respective stories. Everybody likes strong characters. But nobody likes ‘last minute insert’ characters. Nobody likes ‘I am a goddess, BY THE WAY’ characters. Nobody. Unless they are wearing hot over-the-knee socks. And Atlus aimed exactly at that. Those socks are the reason of Marie’s existence. Not that I dislike Atlus…For the most part, their ideas are great…

      • SeventhEvening

        I feel like most of the people calling her a “mary sue” don’t know what that means.

        • revenent hell

          I was going to ask what this “Mary Sue ” crap was…. I swear people have to much time to make stuff up….
          I’m not at all a fan of Marie, the main reason being is she wasn’t in the Persona 4 game I played so I could care less about her.

          • SeventhEvening

            A Mary Sue is a media trope. A Mary Sue is almost always an author insert character, although sometimes just an author favorite, that is really powerful and appears all over the place. They’re usually the best and most important character in the story and get used very heavily.

            Marie, on the other hand, is an unplayable, optional social link who appears in a couple of optional scenes. I think there are a total of two events you can’t avoid Marie.

          • revenent hell

            Ah, see I had kind of thought that but I don’t really see why people…. Oh never mind, its really not worth thinking about to much.

            Thanks for explaining it though!

            She still seems to be kind of an optional character here. No one is being forced to buy her….. To be honest I don’t like DLC but its really grating when its done so far before the games actual release so I tend not to buy it on principal….

            I really don’t see why people are as mad over her being included when everyone can …just not purchase her…..

          • Lynx

            I think you’re confusing Mary Sue with self-insert.
            They’re seperate things, although a Mary Sue CAN be a self insert and vice versa.

            Marie isn’t a self insert but if you take her content, does in fact display some aspects of what Mary Sues sometimes have, just not the obvious ones.

          • SeventhEvening

            No, I’m not confusing anything. Read what I wrote again. The first thing I said was that they’re not always a self-insert, but they usual are. The term originated from a self-insert character and it has traditionally been applied to character who are self-inserts. That doesn’t mean all Mary Sues are, which is the first thing I said.

            Please elaborate. Marie isn’t very important. She adds context to the existing main villain. She’s not powerful. She’s not particularly smart. She’s not playable. She doesn’t disrupt the balance of the game. She doesn’t become the main focus. She’s entirely optional. She isn’t idealized compared to other characters. In fact, she acts fairly childish and mopey. While some people like Tsundere characters, that by itself isn’t an idealized characteristic. Her physical design isn’t more idealized or more fanservice than other characters (Chie is the tomboy, Naoto is the megatomboy with bonus giant breasts and mild tsundere, Yukiko is the nadeshiko arctype, Rise is… oh come on).

            Is Marie not as well developed as others? Yes.
            Is she a ret-con character? Yes

            Was she shoehorned into the story? Yes

            She’s a ret-con character.

            Is she more skilled than other characters? No.

            Does her arc damage the protagonists arcs? No.

            Is she an author insert? No

            Is she idealized? Not in comparison to the others, No

            Is everything about her? No

            Is she forced on the player? Not really. You have to see her in the velvet room and in the opening. I think she’s shoehorned into one more scene somewhere. Other than that she’s optional.

            Is she pure and lovable? No

            Is she able to anticipate everything in the plot? No

            Does she fix anything in the plot? No.

            Is she unnaturally loved by the other characters? No, not even this. The other characters are curious where the hell she came from and if you spend massive amounts of time with her where she spends time with all of your party, you unlock a some extra scenes where she’s treated like a friend in a reasonable way. The party frequently rescued characters they spent way less time with than her.

            If you still disagree, I’d love to hear your argument. Marie barely possesses any of the traits that Mary Sues sometimes have. She just seems to be a character people don’t like who was ret-conned in.

          • Lynx

            -She adds context to the existing main villain

            Context that was in the game to begin with.

            Did you not pay attention to the lecture that’s given on the Port Island trip? That’s really enough to get the villain’s context. Some things are better off left vague, because sometimes, vague is better.

            Hell, the fact that Souji/Yu’s starting Persona is Izanagi is enough context to the main villain. Marie, while not forced, still took away from the mystery in the end.

          • SeventhEvening

            I see your point. And I more or less agree with you. Marie was unnecessary. She removes a little of the mystery, I’d say you’re right. Maybe she makes the true ending slightly easier to obtain. You make a pretty good point. But that doesn’t make her a Mary Sue at all.

            It’s similar to if we worked together and had a co-worker named Bill who stole your lunch. If you said, “Bill stole my lunch, so I don’t like him much,” I’d say, “What a jerk,” and agree with you. If you said “Bill stole my lunch, so he’s a racist,” I’d have issue with your argument.

            I don’t like Marie very much, but that doesn’t make her a Mary Sue. Hell, I’d say Atlus has done much worse thing to Megaten over time.

          • Lynx

            Aspects of a Mary Sue =/= a full blown Mary Sue.

            She has aspects of one but as a whole, she isn’t. That’s my point. Heck, Yu’s more of a MS due to main character syndrome.

  • James Reilly

    “Don’t cry thank you baby”

    feels like a subtle jab to the haters lol

  • Prinnydoom

    Don’t really like Marie all that much, actually I find her annoying, but she looks………interesting (?) in this. Hell if Rise was made playable why not her right.

  • SeventhEvening

    I’m not a huge fan of Marie, but I don’t understand all the hate she gets. I’d rather see someone like Nanjo or Fuuka appear instead, or even something really wild like Vincent appearing, but a new character is a new character. She looks fairly fun.

  • Jeremy Lafferty

    I must be one of the few people who actually like Marie. Then again, I also like difficult, conflicted and kinda b*tchy girls in my anime and games. Ah well.

    • Zak Ledward

      You’re not alone, I also share the love for Marie

      …I also wonder as to why she gets so much hate from populace. Apparently “bitchy” “tsundere” is too new of a thing

      • SeventhEvening

        Marie seemed less bitchy than Yukari to me.

        • Zak Ledward

          Didn’t even play P3, sorry (awaits the stones)

          She’s not even that bitchy compared to what I’ve seen…

          • revenent hell

            Trust me out of most games I have played (didn’t play P4G just regular P4 so no Marie in my game there, just added this for some clarity I suppose because I haven’t experienced “Marie”.) Yukari takes the cake, in my opinion.

            I wish you could in game just fling tampons at her when she walks by. She’s just so…..I want to say rude or mean about it.

            I suppose some of it could be overlooked and I wouldn’t mind if it came across as funny but it doesn’t, to me and since she is unavoidable in the game….. She’s amongst the few in P3 I would have enjoyed avoiding.

          • Alexander Marquis Starkey

            Go play P3…well, P3P had better social links, and FES extra story, while setting up P4A, Is not really much fun to play, unless you just enjoy fighting. P3P also let you control your party if I recall…so yeah, if you’ve got a PSP, get Persona 3 Portable, play both the male and female’s story, then look up Fes on Youtube. P3, had the better story, P4 had better social links, and P3P gives you the better package…plus Wiping All Out is the shit.

        • thrak

          Who is bitchier – Marie or Yukari?…*I am so conflicted!!!… To be honest, I was replaying P3 these days and you know what…Yukari kind of (only kind of) grew on me. Mainly because of her father. She really tried to fullfill his last wish. She is still bitchy, but I can’t help but respect her because of how great of a person her father was… And Marie..aka ‘the queen of the hot springs fanservice’…nope, just nope.
          P.S. I know, I know episode with Yukari in the shower really bothers me also…But at least she had her drama really tied to the main story!… It wasn’t deus ex machina!.. She is bland but Important!(Kind of) So still…Marie wins in baseless bitching

          • SeventhEvening

            To me, the big difference if that you can just ignore Marie if you don’t like her. She was added to one or two scenes, and other than that is an optional SL and optional bonus dungeon. In a 60+ hour game, you encounter her for about 4hours tops, even if you were hunting her down.

            Yukari, on the other hand, is chained to you for almost the entirety of Persona 3. Even if you avoid her, she appears in every event scene.

            To me, Marie just not that big of a deal.

          • thrak

            Valid point. And still can you really ‘Ignore Marie’ if SHE DIES if you didn’t finish her dungeon?…. Lack of ‘True Golden Ending’ +Marie’s death (I don’t want her to die, even though in my opinion she is a bad character) – you pay a certain price for ignoring Marie and this price is big. You can’t really say you can ignore her because you won’t get Golden ending otherwise.

          • SeventhEvening

            Except that entire “she’s going to die” scene is removed if you don’t clear her social link. You can’t enter the secret dungeon unless you spend all that time with her. She just disappears if you ignore her.

          • thrak

            Are you sure she doesn’t die?… Because I think she does… You just will never find out about it or something like that. She mentions it to you in a dream because you have some ‘bond’ but if you don’t have such bond, she still is ‘a container for the fog’, don’t you remember?… Even If you haven’t finished her social link, she still is a slave of Izanami.

          • SeventhEvening

            She probably dies, but you don’t know that. Similar to how Kurono dies regardless of if you complete her SL or not. Or Ozawa’s father dies even if you pick Matsunaga as the Sun arcana. Arguably that is sadder since Ozawa might not recover if you don’t complete her SL but if you choose her Matsunaga may never gain confidence and continue to flounder. You can’t really feel guilty about her death if you don’t know about it, just like if you haven’t completed both SUN arcanas, you wouldn’t know about those events.
            If you ignore her, you do miss the epilogue and a bulk of Golden’s new contents, but for players that hate Marie THAT much, it might be worth it.

          • NeptuniasBeard

            It’s pretty safe to say that if Marie still disappears, it’s because she died. Kurono’s different because she’s an old lady, so she obviously she doesn’t have much time left for this world. And Ozawa’s dad only dies if you get to that point in her SL. And unlike Marie, the dude is a one-scene character in a minor, optional character’s story, nobody would really care either way.

            It’s kinda funny how you pull the “ignorance is bliss card”, in a game with Persona 4′s aesop. But yeah, don’t do the social link, and that chick gets Ryoji’d (dies and gets wiped from everyone’s memories.)

          • SeventhEvening

            It’s thematically fitting right? But which is worse, stating that ignorance is bliss in accordance to a consistency with a character many don’t like? Or claiming that some Social Links progress inevitably while others don’t based purely on what is comfortable? Why would the optional Marie social link progress without the player, leading to her death, while other social links wouldn’t?

            I know as a game mechanic her father’s death occurs at that point when you progress to that point in the SL, but how can you be sure it doesn’t happen at all? How does that work? The main character doesn’t murder her father. The protagonist alters events, but I don’t think time and space bends just because he doesn’t finish a social link. The only reason the characters events more or less freeze in place is for the players benefit from a mechanical perspective. One of the key aspects of the social links is that they follow schedules independent of the protagonist’s actions, but without forming that bond, they can’t grow or change. If those characters don’t stagnate and suffer without that interaction, then the point of social links existing at all is moot.

            And Ozawa’s father’s death isn’t the tragedy in her arc. It’s her inability to handle it or move on. Same with Kurono’s death. It is sad because you get to know her, but without the protagonist’s interaction she dies alone and in self-loathing. The Dojimas never get closure regarding Chisato’s death.

          • NeptuniasBeard

            Well, in Marie’s case, her fate is decided by your actions in the plot, not her social link. She’s probably still alive in the bad ending, even though that means everyone else is about to die. I was half kidding about the Ozawa thing. It’s like Shu’s birthday. Obviously, he still has birthday’s, but when it is is linked to when you get to it in his SL. And whether Ozawa’s dad dies in October or February is completely up to the player. His life is kinda in your hands. And if you go music club, he more or less doesn’t exist at all. He’ll still die, but when it is, you don’t know, and you have no reason to care because you have zero connection to him, and aren’t even made aware of his existence.

            As oppossed to Marie, who sticks around because she’s a part of the main plot, and you do interact with her on some level. She’s unnavoidable, and her survival is canon. Yumi’s life is ultimately inconsequential, she barely appears in the anime.

            But I guess this is one of those “It’s been seen, now it can’t be unseen” kinda dealies. Once you know these characters stories, it’s kinda hard to not imagine what happens to them when you’re not around.

          • SeventhEvening

            Except her fate is decided from the two combined. If you don’t max her social link, the events that lead to the optional dungeon and rescuing Marie. You only interact with Marie a couple of times if you ignore her social link. You can play Golden and get the True Ending without really interacting with Marie. Now, to get the “Golden True Ending” you do need to interact with her, but you don’t really need to do that if you don’t want. She’s completely avoidable. The only reason her survival is canon is that she appears in Ultimax.

          • Steven Higgins

            You can also fast forward scenes in the game, So If you want the Golden ending, but don’t want to deal with Marie, you can just fast forward through all the scenes containing her, pausing only to make S.Link sections, and get the Golden ending with minimal Marie contact.

          • Herok♞

            Yukari is still a horrible person to last possible moment of P3 in the answer she is the one who basically causes everyone to fight since everyone else is willing to talk it out except her and then even when you beat her, she won’t just accept the fact that she lost and still tries to steal the key from you, just because she had a one sided love for the Protag,when everyone else was coping with his death well. Marie on the other hand didn’t do anything bad at all in the first place.

    • Steven Higgins

      I love Marie especially her “ShutupIhateyouyoustupidjerk” outbursts.

      • thrak

        You do?…God, there is really no two humans alike in the world. For some, ‘you are important for me’ is enough… For some ‘IhateyoustupidclownyoujerkIkillyou’ is like music to their ears..Alas…

        • Steven Higgins

          It’s because of the way the makes the words run together. It looks hysterical. Never fails to make me crack up. And besides, she’s a tsundere, she can’t be honest about her feelings.

          Going back to her speech, making the words run together also shows how embarrassed and flustered she gets when her feelings are close to being revealed. It’s kind of cute.

          • Alexander Marquis Starkey

            No, Tsundere can be honest about their feelings…in fact I’ve seen Tsundere that are way better written and don’t have a certain character trait that is played up for laughs.

        • Land of Green Pasture

          in tsundere language.. it’s “I’m so happy I wish I could marry you know”

          • Guest

            There was an ad. If you think I am tsundere for some stupid spammer, you are thinking wrong about me ;D And by the way, if I really acted tsundere towards someone important in this discussion, people would already notice that and tell me outright. So, that’s not tsundere, pal…that’s *whispers*… casting mamudoon…

          • thrak

            Haha, ignore my previous comment – I totally misunderstood what you said, rofl. Thats what you get when you answer too many comments! But you all probably understand by now I am not really a big fan of tsunderes (Being a fake tsundere doesn’t matter in this case lol) and tropes in general. I prefer unique characters and not those based on tropes.

    • Yan Zhao

      She topped Rise as my favorite haremette in P4G, just sayin.

    • Brimfyre

      She is basically the entire reason I bought a Vita and Golden. You are certainly not alone in Marie love.

      And I’m a Rise guy through and through.

    • Hound

      Hm.. I wonder. Does the same pose true for Ai Ebihara? She’s the Moon Arcana from 4.

  • Ecchitori-san

    Those are some cute moves! Possible new main? or should I stick to my Yukiko?

  • Ecchitori-san

    Those are some cute moves! Possible new main? or should I stick to my Yukiko?

  • Dede Ogbe

    Don’t really get the hate for the character, maybe because Golden was the first game i played in the series (Such a freaking good game)as such it felt like her character belonged there. Anyway glad to see her relationship/crush on Yuu is canon now. The guy’s a serious lady killer :-D

    • Alexander Marquis Starkey

      You didn’t play the original. where everything felt pretty cohesive with out her being there. Apparently, it’s very noticeable how she was thrown in.

  • Mirai

    Well I have no interest In her gameplay as I won’t be getting her DLC. I just hope now that she’s in the story that she’s going to do more than act all tsundere around MC and write poems.

  • DeadLineDance

    Maybe the Marie hate has almost nothing to do with her personality and everything to do with her being forced into a world and a cast of characters that was wonderfully designed, cohesive and complete as it was.
    If Marie made sense in Persona 4, she would have been in the original game.

    • SeventhEvening

      Like that stuff that was inserted into both Persona 2 PSP ports? Or that time Dante was suddenly added to SMTIII when it was re-released? Or that time that Raidou was added to SMTIII when it was re-re-released? Or the additional dungeons in final fantasy re-releases?

      Marie was an unnecessary addition in a long, long line of unnecessary additions to ports used by companies to try to get fence-sitters to double dip. That’s it.

      • DeadLineDance

        I suppose. Although I haven’t played those (yet! I want P2 and Nocturne sooo badly) and certainly didn’t play them before they added those things. I played Persona 4 before all the additional content and hype started, so I remember it before Narukami had his own personality, we had an anime, fighting game, etc. So maybe it bothers me more than people who played Golden first. I still think she cheapened the experience (you whippersnappers, get off my lawn, etc.).

        • SeventhEvening

          See, I feel more strongly about Narukami having a personality and there being an anime version than I do against Marie. I think Narukami getting a name and personality cheapens it more than Marie, but I get what you mean.

          • DeadLineDance

            Yeah, it does suck that new players feel like the P4 protag has to be a certain way and have a certain name. It’s supposed to be an avatar: the protag is only who you make him to be. Again, messes with the game experience for people who never played it BEFORE all this happened. I suppose it’s inevitable, but it still sucks.

          • Tienron

            if the persona mains are meant to be an avatar they did a very very bad job of making it feel that way, cause most of the choice did not reflect the player and you couldn’t even choose who the main character liked in gender sense, the only thing that came near to that was persona 2.

          • Pdugna

            Persona 1/2 has characters more of blank slates then P3/4 3 your fate is already decided for you, 4 is the same. Yet with P1/2 you actually choose different endings and paths and who actually joins your group and other things. The reason that Tatsuya even has a name is because of how P2 was structured.

            So in the case of P4 Narukami is always going to be narukami no matter how to play because of how there is only one true ending. Same with P3

    • thrak

      You know, I was meditating at the quite beautiful picture at the header of this thread and guess what…I imagined what if Marie indeed was something to look forward to?.. It would have taken a bit of work, but it was possible…No stupid fanservice. No ‘stupidjerkihateyou’. No idiotic poems. All they had to do is to include her in the original P4. Make her more sympathetic. Playable. To tie her more neatly with other characters. More hints about her special fate, not random gatherings at Junes. To make her REALLY a ‘goddess’, to prepare us for this grand revelation…Then, maybe…

      • DeadLineDance

        And yet they didn’t. They didn’t even think of her until they were making a re-release and, in typical Japanese pandering fashion, they go, “Design a new girl character we can insert so we can sell more copies.”

        • thrak

          Yes, and thats what I am getting at. She would be interesting if she WAS a character in the first place. But everything about her just screams ‘fanservice’, sadly… That very fact it is a GIRL, heh…(There is no shortage of females in this game. Most of the social links are females. Temperance, Death, Priestess, Empress, Sun, Justice, Aeon, Chariot, Wheel of Fortune, Lovers, Moon…90% of social links are female, lol. And 70% of them are hot)

      • SeventhEvening

        Part of that is translation. The poems sound much better in Korean and the “stupidjerkihateyou” is played out in a more palatable way. I’m not sure about the Japanese version, but part of her being disliked may stem from translation issues rather than core problems. Marie doesn’t translate very well.

        But, you got me on fanservice. I have no excuse for that.

        • thrak

          You know, I always felt that Marie is translated badly. I had a feeling I am missing something or there is something I don’t understand. It is interesting to compare her translation with how other Persona characters are translated. Marie indeed is a fanservice character and maybe I shouldn’t complain because this is the first time Persona franchise has a real fanservice heroine. I understand that they need money, too. They can’t ignore the demand for such heroines on the market!

    • Dede Ogbe

      Seriously? This happens in ALL the portable ports. Hell there’s even elements of it in the main Shin Megami Tensei series. This isn’t really new. At the end of the day you get to spend more time in the universe. But yeah i would’ve liked some PROPER scenes with her as well. Not just Junes

      • DeadLineDance

        Yeah, and I think P3P’s female protag is non-canon as hell (the game was painfully never designed for anything but a male protag [side note: they better have male and female protags in the first place for P5]) and that preventing the deaths of Chidori and Shinjiro also cheapens the plot (a game about death, and they don’t die? seriously?).

        • Dede Ogbe

          Never played that side precisely because of it. P3 was a brilliant game and i wanted to leave it at that. Yeah if they introduce that in P5 i think that the male and female MC should have completely different story lines whilst existing together. In other words the female MC should have her own story and own group, not a recycled one from the Male MC. The two of them should coexist in the same universe, then have an event where they by chance meet or something (school trip?) That makes more sense in my opinion. It also gives them more characters to add to the eventual fighting game spinoff

          • DeadLineDance

            That would be cool, though I dunno if they want to put in quite that much work… at very least, the story and rest of the characters need to work with either gender of protag. Rather than a bunch of awkward dudes and a harem of girls designed to be love options.
            (not that I don’t freakin’ love P3 and P4′s casts, because I do)

          • Steven Higgins

            Maybe do what Tales of Xillia did and have the same story told though each ones perspective with a few stages exclusive to each one?

          • DeadLineDance

            Now we’re talkin’.

          • Steven Higgins

            Okay, for example, one exclusive stage could be character dungeons. I’m going to rip this right out of P4 for context since we know nothing about the dungeons in P5 but say, if there where P4 like dungeons the female protagonist has to enter the male protagonists dungeon while the male has to do the same for the female but each protagonist’s own dungeon is completely absent from their own story, having been replace by the other protagonist’s.

            Or the party get’s separated at some point and each protagonist has to take a different route to the same destination.

            Something similar to either of those.

          • Dede Ogbe

            Exactly. It also needs to have a predetermined role for each MC at the end. Like i said no recycled bullshit. The female character shouldn’t just be something that’s nice to go back to and fuck up the male mc line, like in P3P. She needs to stand on her own legs and have an independent role. So at the finale, her role needs to be as important and as special as the male one. Think Kingdom hearts birth by sleep, where everyone had their own role to play which was just as important as the other. In the end, they shouldn’t rewrite whats happened in the previous play through. Rather give a different perspective of the ongoing events. The second play through should show the potential effects that were happening elsewhere due to the choices that were made by the player with the other MC.

    • Brimfyre

      After playing Golden I don’t really agree with this. After Xmas the game just kind of drops off like they didn’t really know what to do. Her new scenes fit perfectly in and fully build out the entire story. Her back story also makes the final villain not as 1 dimensional as she was before.

      • DeadLineDance

        In the original game, there was nothing after Christmas. It skipped to your last day in Inaba. You’ve caught the murderer, you have no reason to think it’s anything but the end of the game. Unless you’re clever enough to find Izanami.
        You’re exactly right. The months they added after Xmas are pointless and should not have been done. It was only there to shove Marie in.

        • Brimfyre

          Izanami felt completely tacked on. Marie made her an actual character and not some random element that bookeneded the entire story.

          And considering Izanami kicked off the entire Megaten universe she deserved a little more attention and respect. Which she got in Golden.

          • DeadLineDance

            If you say so. I think Marie just makes it more confusing and deprives Izanami herself of any real impact.

          • Alexander Marquis Starkey

            Not exactly. Persona Universe =/= Not Megaten universe.

          • Brimfyre

            Tired argument based in denial from people who want to create a divide between the series.

            Same frickin universe, specifically stated within the game canon, whether you like it or not.

            SMT IF… -> Persona -> Persona 2 -> Persona 3 -> Persona 4

            No matter how you slice it, they are DIRECTLY related with carry over characters. Arena even hints at Persona 1 and 2 characters taking an active role as Shadow Operatives. There is no divide.

            Seriously, people really need to get over this.

          • Andrew Boyce

            Whether they hint at P1-P2 characters being Operatives or not, that doesn’t confirm the two universes together, lol. Pretty sure Persona is described as “a spinoff of the Shin Megami Tensei Series”.

          • Mc-kun

            I just wanted to point out that Izanami wasn’t in Megaten as far as I know with the same role as in Persona. It was the giant yellow head and the giant disco ball along with Megatron.

          • Brimfyre

            ACTUALLY, *pushes non existent glasses up nose*

            She is in the book that started the entire series, and the video game sequel. The main female protagonist is a reincarnation of Izanami, which basically what Marie is. It’s full circle.

            The name Magami Tensei literally means Goddess Reincarnation and is directly refering to Izanami being reincarnated.

          • Mc-kun

            But the question is: Is it canon to the SMT with Alpeh? Considering that there is speculation that there are only ‘certain paths’ that are canon and the other are just side stories its really hard to say at this point. I know what Megami Tensei means that but as far as I know Izanami only appeared in the original source and outside of P4 had no major role in the main series as an antagonist or a protagonist so far. Its mostly been giant disco ball and yellow head, with the except of Desu 2 which was Polaris. In fact Yellow head has been a major role in almost all SMT games or Lucy for that matter with the exception of Desu 2 because SMT main focus was really heavy religious matters while Persona dealt with society issues such as bullying, self blame, suicide, sexuality, gender roles, etc.

            Also Persona is a side story. Its not in the same universe as SMT. Its similar but not the exact same universe. I’m not saying Persona has nothing to do with SMT at all but it has no connection to SMT I-IV by Word of God. Only SMT IF and that’s a side story of a side story. If you want further proof in SMT4 there isn’t any connection between that and Persona 4 or any of the Persona series. Only some hints from the previous SMT games. Someone made a giant ass chart on how Persona was related to SMT in general outside of IF but I can’t find it.

        • SeventhEvening

          Why is it better to not use those months and to suddenly fast forward? Why wouldn’t the Main Character enjoy time with his friends? Or why would it be completely cut? It seems abrupt in the original.

          You might be interested to know that if you don’t rescue her she is erased from the characters memory. It meshes much better if you consider that the original PS2 is a universe where Marie wasn’t saved and thus is erased from everyone’s memory. From a conceptual point of view, that’s kind of cool.

          • DeadLineDance

            Why would you? You completed the plot. The point was to catch the killer and solve the mystery. You beat the game. It’s epilogue after that point.

            That’s kind of interesting. Still smacks of a convenient “out” to me, but I guess it’s a clever retcon.

      • ShinobiBrown

        You are trying to imply that Marie wasn’t put in for fanservice reasons alone and just a way to try to push Golden sales? Let’s be honest with the Persona series here. It’s gotten to the point where these games are more about pandering than quality writing and it’s because of the entire “pick your waifu” aspect of the games (something I really don’t care for). I love Atlus, but it’s pretty obvious what they are doing here. Marie is a character who could have been handled better, if they had actually bothered to include her from the get go. She represents Atlus’s pandering to otaku culture and “waifu” obsession. Megaten fans basically hate her because of that and it doesn’t help that she’s forced into shit even though people don’t like/care about the character. Furthermore, she’s a terribly written tsundere character in general.

        • Brimfyre

          That is certainly your opinion.

          • ShinobiBrown

            Some of it is my opinion, yeah. But Atlus’s business strategy is clear as day with it’s current handling of the Persona series. You’d have to be blind to miss it. Old school Megaten fans (aka fans pre P3) aren’t the main group who they are catering to because the Persona 3/4 crowd is getting them more money.. Atlus’s marketing is clear dude. The “pick your waifu” angle hooked otaku culture and they are rolling with it since the money is there. Unfortunately for me, I don’t like otaku culture and it’s waifu obsessions so the dating sim part of P3 and P4 were more a chore than they were enjoyable.

          • Brimfyre

            Conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy.
            Whatever man.

          • Ash_Riot

            It’s not that hard to see, I’m one of those rare few that like both the pre-Persona 3 games and everything that has come after. But it’s plain as day – Atlus have to make money somehow and they’ve found a good market. P5 might take the series in a bold new direction yet, we’ll have to see on that one, but it’s doubtful considering how well financially the format is working for them.

            Oh, and I have no opinion about Marie since I just stuck with the main cast in Golden. Maybe on my next playthrough.

          • ShinobiBrown

            This isn’t conspiracy. This is business. Atlus has to make money and the otaku market makes it easier for them because Persona 3 and 4 are a lot easier to market to that group than any of their prior works with the Megaten series. Japan doesn’t even like Kazuma Kaneko’s art and his art used to be the face of everything Megaten. Nowadays, Soejima has taken over because his style is a lot more marketable to otaku.

        • Andrew Boyce

          Marie is just a tsundere, and nothing to it. That is why I dislike her, she’s just a pretty generic stereotype.

    • KanjiLikesBoys

      Nah. she’s rude and abrasive and the devs try to play that off as cute and like mischievous or something. Then, in order to get access to max Aeon personae I have to FORCE her to except help while she angsts out for EVER.

      Also I just really get bored watching a character slowly figure out a mystery that I figured out hours ago. “HEY DUMMY, YOU’RE A MAGICAL JAPANESE MYTH, DUH!”

  • MrJechgo

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand we still don’t get why Marie’s eyes went from light grey to bright green… Seriously, that’s a little annoying to let pass.

    Yes, her true nature changes her eyes, but NOT permanently IIRC.

    • Snorlaxation

      I hate it when crap like that happens. They’ve done it to Rise several times now. Reddish eyes in P4 artwork, yellow eyes in Dancing all Night, I mean seriously…

    • ShinNeoGranzon

      Her eyes are still grey in the story scenes, I guess they only turn green when in battle and she’s channeling some of her true power and then turn back when she’s not fighting.

  • Kamakuma

    Welp found my main~ :33

  • http://shadious.tumblr.com/ Vince

    https://31.media.tumblr.com/fef9c5729accd62f72865cc8eb77b0fe/tumblr_n97w3ewTDb1rl0d01o1_500.jpg

    I believe this is as far as we get on having a fighting Igor.

    RIP Isamu Tanonaka.

    • Land of Green Pasture

      The Nose deals piercing damage, and the eyes… pierces….

      through your heart…

  • MSJ

    Gonna be spaming dat Igor nose like MAD

  • Ric Vazquez

    DLC only (T.T)

  • KanjiLikesBoys

    *tries to think of something nice to say about Marie*

    At least her Persona looks really cool

  • Afternoon Intergalactic

    Anybody know her Japanese VA? She reminds me of Linda from Golden Time and Lucy from Servant x Service

    • Jake

      Kana Hanazawa, I believe.

    • Tim Young

      Kana Hanazawa.

    • Satoshi Ookami

      Linda – Horie Yui = Chie
      Lucy – Kayano Ai mimicking HanaKana :P

      Anyways, SO CUTE SHE IS!

  • Shade DMessiah

    I liked Marie. Come at meh.

  • Dkmariolink

    Yes…

    Looks like my efforts were not in vain.

  • Mc-kun

    Came here to read the comments. I was not disappointed. I can’t stop laughing. EDIT: Dammit now I’m involved when I said I wouldn’t be.

  • thrak

    Die.

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