Why Is The Final Fantasy X World Melancholy After Final Fantasy X-2?

By Spencer . March 24, 2014 . 2:18am

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Final Fantasy X started off with a sad world, but Spira was in a better place after Tidus and Yuna’s journey. Then Final Fantasy X-2 came along and the pop motif made everything feel happy. However, a melancholy tide came in with the Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster radio drama and the novel Final Fantasy X-2.5 from story writer Kazushige Nojima.

 

When Siliconera spoke with Final Fantasy X producer Yoshinori Kitase we asked him why Spira is such a sad place again. "We met with the original script writer, Kazushige Nojima, for Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster and we were brainstorming about the world after X-2. We wanted to have the story continue as a direct opposite of Tidus and Yuna’s happy story in Final Fantasy X," Kitase replied. "Sin is a character we created as a symbol of natural disasters like a typhoon. He brings disaster and sadness to the world. And, Spira resides right next to death."

 

But, why bring back Sin at all? I talked to Kitase about how the entire journey of Final Fantasy X was breaking the cycle of Sin and bringing Sin back as a character kind of erases all of the work Tidus, Yuna, and the player achieved.

 

"Similar to how Sephiroth’s role in Final Fantasy VII, Sin plays a very important role in Final Fantasy X and we wanted to keep Sin involved [with the story]," said Kitase. "We can’t say what happens to Sin after the radio drama, we wanted to leave something up to the player’s imagination," said Kitase.


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  • Monterossa

    Good. If X-3 is going to happen, it needs the seriousness X-1 had again. and the series will end with a happy ending at the end of X-3 anyway. remember how people whine about XIII-2 ending? now LR ended the trilogy with a happy ending.

    • Chip

      Serious=/=good.

      • I-Cronus-I

        Seriousness! X-2 is so childish, everything is too happy and lovely :D

        X-1 is my favourite Final Fantasy! I bought the HD Remake only because of it. I don’t think I will play X-2 ever again.

        • Chip

          Your loss. I can’t stand stick-in-the-muds.

        • Arz

          I think the right wording is ‘less cheesy’

        • Shippoyasha

          All they need to do is tone down the cheese factor from X-2 and it’ll be fine.

          Besides, X was not exactly a dour game 24/7. It had a rather colorful world with people wearing very expressive, colorful clothing, people living a happy life (before the plot turns at least), and the works.

          I think they should just make the feel of the story more varied, like in FF7 or 8, where it can go from being a happy story from one moment to something extremely serious the next. A nice balancing act will work well as long as the core story makes sense.

          • Chip

            Balance is boring. Bring on the wackiness.

        • http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/mgbenz mgbenz

          Yeah events like everything that happened in the Den of Woe was so happy and lovely. Just look at all the girls killing each other! That was so fun!

      • Gigaknight

        I wish I could upvote this comment a hundred times.

        I’ve seen this belief held for years–that happy, positive stories can’t be good ones. Apparently, only misery, suffering, and hardship are the only things that can make up a “good story”. And stories, for just as long (if not longer–which is likely the case), have reflected that.

        Look up “Oscar bait” if you want further examples and proof.

        I have had enough negative things in my life to last me a long time, as I’m sure many others have, as well; the only difference is that I don’t have some masochistic *need* for it to exist even in my entertainment.

        • Kumiko Akimoto

          They can be good but I’d perfer something soul crushing and realistic

          • Gigaknight

            If that’s your cup of tea, that’s fine.

            The problem comes when content creators and the like try to pass off “soul-crushing” as the only thing that can be “realistic”.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            What is life?

          • KoRLumen

            Life is a lot of things.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            I figured most of all it was soul crushing anything that doesn’t end with a little hardship just doesn’t feel real to me

          • KoRLumen

            Then I feel sorry for you. Like actually.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            People don’t have hardships in their lives?

          • KoRLumen

            No, but when a person thinks that only hardships are representative of reality, it’s a little pitiable. Not in a good or bad way. Just pitiable.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            I think that having only sunshine and rainbows would be weird. If I wanted mlp I’d watch mlp

          • KoRLumen

            My point is that neither extremes are representative of reality. A story only about suffering and hardships is just depressing.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            Ahh you can have good times and good moments in it too. Can even make it bittersweet.
            Key’s vn tend to be soul crushing but they have a nice amount of sweet and funny moments in between and they usually end bittersweet or somewhat happy towards the end.

      • FivePointedTheStar

        There is some kind of laughable “phenomena” occurring in the world of writing, where people are continually believing that the most uncouth, saddest, depressing story is the only story worth telling. I remember running into several contests about who could make the most emotionally traumatized main character ever. Not just online, but in writing clubs, courses for creative fiction… the idea is slowly spreading and I find it disgusting.

      • googleisfriend

        X-2=/=good

        There, I said it.

      • Ric Vazquez

        Agreed

    • Kenny Loh

      as long as the gameplay is fun like X-2 i would be playing it

    • Ric Vazquez

      Amen brother

  • 3PointDecoupage

    1. Spoiler warning!
    2. That’s such a big screw you to the fans. Investing 30 hours into a game to kill that bastard and finding out that not only was it a waste of time, but every character you’ve grown to love is doomed. That’s like JK Rowling writing a short story about Voldemort coming back to life and killing Harry Potter in his sleep.
    3. Now they HAVE to make a sequel. You can’t just leave that story unresolved!

    • Nice Boat Quatro

      Yeah, that was a huge tease but I’m afraid of what are they going to do to the cast after the whole novel fiasco

    • Ric Vazquez

      Your argument is so damn valid,I mean it.

  • Bakuryukun

    You should have asked why they made Tidus’ kick a bomb by accident and explode. Seriously it’s weird.

    • 3PointDecoupage

      When did that happen? Did they kill Tidus?

      • http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/mgbenz mgbenz

        It’s in the novel not the audio drama.

        That thing’s nothing but one huge fanfiction.

    • Ric Vazquez

      Oh God, don’t remind me of that trauma LOL

  • Nice Boat Quatro

    My question would be why they made Yuna such an annoying person. I mean she basically cuts Tidus’ face. Also, that damn novel. Does Nojima hate Tidus in secret?

  • FFmax

    Man I hope they know what they’re doing if they are going through with this sequel, FFX is one of my favorites and it sounds like they’re trying to make this plot worse than XIII’s.

  • Alexander Aubert

    yeah go ahead, always leave it to the player’s imagination

  • Gigaknight

    Good thing that I don’t have this version.

    I can just pretend it does not exist…unless a cash-grab sequel is produced and released.

  • Ouch My Head Said Dionysus

    Why’s Sin back? Lazy writing.

    • Shippoyasha

      Well, by the lore, it definitely should come back if its cycle of trying to destroy the world isn’t broken. Maybe Sin has a persona or someone else is beckoning it again.

      • Nice Boat Quatro

        I just hope it isn’t something dumb like “No Tidus! You are the Sins!”

      • Ouch My Head Said Dionysus

        In the new supplementary novel and audio drama, doesn’t Sin come back within a year?

        That big convoluted quest, just for one year of peace?

        IIRC Yuna’s father managed to curb Sin for a decade.

        But shouldn’t this not even be happening anyway because they defeated Yevon?

        • Rogerrmark

          It shouldn’t exist anymore after Yu Yevon’s defeat.

          There’s that Beckoning stuff happening on the Farplane too, but it wasn’t fully explained yet.

          Doesn’t make much sense till now, I really hope they don’t leave a story that was once finished, open again.

          • Ouch My Head Said Dionysus

            Doesn’t seem much point to it, unless they’re planning to do a sequel, which sounds like it would be a pointless retread through covered ground.

        • Wait what

          I’d say if we ever get a continuation of the story from here, it’ll be revealed that it’s not the real Sin. While I don’t really like what the 2.5 novel and the audio drama are doing (they both create two different pointless break up moments for Tidus and Yuna that are really forced for obvious drama to be resolved later), they DID establish that the people who are “beckoned” are somehow “off”, and not like they were when alive. I’m guessing whoever the villain of any potential new works is has beckoned Sin, but it’s as fake as everyone else being beckoned. Probably still able to destroy everyone, but not the “real” Sin.

          • Ouch My Head Said Dionysus

            That is soooooo tired and arbitrary, though. Like Tales of Symphonia 2: OMG WHY LLOYD IS EVIL NOW? Oh it’s not really Lloyd.

            In fact, I think we already saw this in the X universe with Shuyin, didn’t we?

          • Wait what

            Yeah, I’m not thrilled about it. But it’s better than Sin actually returning.

    • Gemlit

      Perhaps it is that X-3 will explore the Zanarkand Sin is originally created in.

      • Ouch My Head Said Dionysus

        I’d love to play a prequel based on Braska’s pilgrimage, but unfortunately the sequel audio drama and novel have revived Sin for shaky reasoning.

  • Daniel Bui

    Honestly, even though the story for X-2 was mediocre, I was happy with the ending. Throwing that radio drama in was like a huge troll. After doing all that to bring Tidus back, Yuna just rejects him, and now Sin is back. Its like Spira will always be doomed.

    • Anewme…Again

      It didn’t sound like the she rejected him to me, it sounded more like she pushed him to keep him away from danger.

    • Steven Higgins

      According to the novel, Tidus was different after coming back from the Farplane, from what heard it sounds like he becomes reckless with his life, taking almost suicidal risks convinced nothing can hurt him. This causes Yuna concern. Eventually, on an unnamed island they get into a fight and Tidus kicks a half buried bomb, disguised as a blitzball. He dies and she manages to bring him back again but they break up because hes no longer the Tidus she fell in love with, which sets up the events of the audio drama.

      So it’s not like it came out of nowhere.

      • Daniel Bui

        I know what happened in the novel. It makes it all the more ridiculous that they decided to make it. I’m even more appalled that it was Nojima who wrote it. Of all people, I had hope that he’d be able to write a good story. I only hope that if they do make FFX-3, that Nojima can actually explain what the hell is going on and that it doesn’t disappoint the fans in the end.

      • Johnathan Lenig-Lopez

        So… Tidus, who while always kinda overconfident and dense, at least realized how serious death was, decides he’s immortal and takes suicidal risks for the hell of it. Then, because he sees something half buried, he decides to kick it just because and dies. THEN Yuna’s somehow able to bring him back to life because reasons. Then they break up because his idiotic risks are too much of a strain.

        Yeah, I’d say that all came out of nowhere.

      • Nice Boat Quatro

        It actually does come out of nowhere. You are reading a mistranslation. He doesn’t even kick the blitzball or act tough. That’s not how Tidus acts. When Yuna says Tidus is different is after the whole explosion cr!p but even in the audio drama, Tidus acts mature and he even wears his father’s bandana.

  • Jesse

    I wish that stupid novel would just go away so I don’t have to keep hearing about it. Good thing that’ll never get brought over(officially, anyway).

    Thank god most ignore it as canon.

  • Anewme…Again

    The audio drama was a huge piece of shit imo

  • MasterScrub

    I’m perfectly fine with the series ending with X-2, that way I can pretend the novel and radio drama never happened.

  • Alexandra Cordes

    Everything they went through was for nothing. All of that development… boom, gone. Or at least a lot of it is with Tidus and Yuna’s relationship.

    Sigh… Why couldn’t they have just let it end…

  • fairysun

    JRPG needs to have more ending variations, like FF X. I play a lot of JRPG and they are always ended with main Hero and Heroine live happily ever after . So, imagine my surprise with FF X ending ….. until FFX-2 is released :(

    • Nice Boat Quatro

      Then the audio drama is released and cut!

    • Time Sage

      FFX ended with Tidus coming to shore…. the exact same scene that was exteded in X-2 to show Yuna and all their freinds waiting for him. Nothing changed except context was added.

  • Bobby Jennings

    So wait, Sin is back?

  • Jonah Paley

    Why Is The Final Fantasy X World Melancholy After Final Fantasy X-2?
    (spoiler alert: the answer is “because we want to milk this cash cow with an unnecessary third game $_$”)

  • Thrasher429

    Hopefully the seemingly inevitable FFX-3 is several years off in order to give me time to erase my hatred at the idea of Final Fantasy sequels which was cause by FFXIII from my brain.

  • Kaihedgie

    Sin isn’t even an actual character. It’s nothing more than an armor for its real puppeteer, and that thing was killed at the end of X. Why bring it back?

  • Eilanzer

    let’s be frank guys…FFX was never a great and without holes kind of story…

    A tradition in SE since this game unfortunately…like it or not…Even FFVIII had a more concise history.

    • Kaihedgie

      Your story will never be concise if it’s about time travel

  • http://gamgambit.tumblr.com/ Thespian Thief ♢

    Welp, Sin coming back makes me as dissapoint as Advent Children bringing Sephiroth back.

    • Nice Boat Quatro

      But that was an awesome fight… Unless you believe even Sin will “sexually harass” Tidus

      • http://gamgambit.tumblr.com/ Thespian Thief ♢

        If by awesome you mean a terribad of excuse of his return, yeah. Is as bad as Sin respawing from the Farplane, literally just as bad.

      • http://gamgambit.tumblr.com/ Thespian Thief ♢

        The sexually harass part it has to do with Sephiroth’s bad dialogues.

        And will you follow me on every Advent Children opinion I give? :V

        • Nice Boat Quatro

          Sin’s new avatar: I will make you suffer kid.
          Thief: Bad touch! The guy is a stalker!

  • James Williams

    Novel/Radio drama is non canon fanfiction to me, clearly the guy has no damn clue on how to write anymore so he can stay clear away from it. Gonna boot up the HD collection now and bask in some nostalgia.

  • https://twitter.com/Ni_Go_Zero_Ichi Project 2501

    Yeah uh, how does bringing back Sin not totally defeat the entire purpose of FF X’s whole plot? That is not a satisfactory answer, Kitase.

    Here is one, though: Nojima’s lost his touch. Time for a new writer.

  • AuraGuyChris

    Yes, it’s up for interpretation…whether the radio drama story is true or fake. I’m leaning to fake.

  • Rocco

    It totally doesn’t make no freaking sense that Yuna turned from the X-2′s butt-kicking-pop-star-wannabe-go-getter girl into the let-me pray-24/7-in-the-now-defunct-fayth-room in the audio drama after she finally brought back Tidus at the end of X-2. Square Enix, what are you doing!? Stop ruining my favorite final fantasy already…

  • Ronldbx6

    This is my first time playing FFX/X-2 and glad I get to experience them in HD. I’m really enjoying the game, it’s so much fun. I’m glad decided to give it a shot because originally I was on the fence thinking it would be complicated. My god though, learning Blitz ball was so frustrating but now I’m getting better at it and I like it. I played FFX half of my spring break and can’t wait to get back to it when I go home on the weekends. Looking forward to FFX-2′s battle system. I heard the story isn’t that good. I’ll be excited if they make a FFX-3.

  • revenent hell

    Based on what ive heard of the radio drama I am just going to continue to pretend it doesn’t exist.

    As far as I am concerned Sin was vanquished in Final Fantasy X if not it would have appeared in X-2.

    Is it not good enough that they completely and absolutely demolish stories of current Final Fantasies must they really go back in time and kill the others as well?

    I seriously hope they don’t plan to make any more sequels to anymore Final Fantasy games especially Final Fantasy X… X and X-2 was and is enough they don’t need to annihilate those two games by making an even worse X-3.

    I would think the XIII trilogy would have taught them something about how shitty their story lines are as of late and they don’t need to fix what’s not broken . Leave any FF before XIII alone please, ruin your future games and let me keep my fond memories of the past ones.Thanks.

  • KaiYamato

    Why can’t they just stop beating a dead horse?

  • Dan Lieo

    I actually liked FF10-2 Rikku looked better but yuna was no exposed considering her personality in 10

  • Ni ~Algidus~

    they were inspired by the looney toons

  • Barrylocke89

    I read the stuff in this thread and seriously thought it was a joke and I was being gullible ol’ Barrylocke. It really does sound like fanfiction tier storytelling.

  • Zero_Destiny

    @DwillXXII @Ferrick @Out_of_Matador_Quatro

    We’re all done here, drop it. It’s off topic now, and we don’t really need to sit here getting super personal with each other over this stuff. Move on, and drop all the name calling too while you’re at it.

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