Mugen Souls Z Trailers Show Off The Game’s Battle System

By Ishaan . May 8, 2014 . 5:01pm

NIS America have released two English-language trailers for Mugen Souls Z, both focusing on the game’s battle system. You can watch the two trailers below.

 

 

 

Mugen Souls Z will be available in North America on May 20th and in Europe on May 23rd.


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  • Atwa

    Nope, don’t support censorship.

    • KuroNathan

      Again, it is not a matter of protecting the audience or open mindedness. It is a matter of legality as Canada and parts of Europe have strict laws against child pornography that extends to drawn characters as well. If you have an issue with that you should bring it up with law makers rather then punish the localization team.

      • chibidw

        Oh man, and good luck winning THAT particular battle.

      • Kumiko Akimoto

        The problem with that is those laws shouldn’t apply to something non sexual.

        • M’iau M’iaut

          Then again, call your legislator or other representative — the thread is not the community soapbox on this matter.

      • seiya19

        Can you explain to me then how Dance in the Vampire Bund and Strike Witches managed to be released uncensored in the US and UK (and from what I’ve heard, can also be bought in Canada), despite including loli nudity and sexual overtones ? After all, the laws you’re referencing would also apply to anime/manga, not just videogames.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dance_in_the_Vampire_Bund#Censorship

        Besides, even if you’re right, the decision to localize these games was theirs from the beginning. It’s still their responsibility, and up to the consumer to decide whether to support it or not with their money, as with every other game.

        • M’iau M’iaut

          In part because manga and anime are not released before going before an industry ratings board like the ESRB. And that far as I was aware, changes have been made in Bund in both their manga and anime forms.

          • seiya19

            Aren’t the FCC, MPAA and BBFC equivalent to the ESRB, despite their differences ? I would think so…

            Besides, the ESRB was not a part of KuroNathan’s argument, and by the link you provided above we know NISA didn’t even try to submit it unedited (for reasons I personally disagree with).

            As for Dance in the Vampire Bund, do you have a source for those claims ? Wikipedia states the anime was released uncensored, and this can be verified through Anime News Network. I don’t know about the manga though, I haven’t checked yet.

          • M’iau M’iaut

            They did what I previously noted and they reported — discretely inquire as to what the result would be. American anime releases are generally not rated by any industry agency and the government doesn’t get involved ahead of time unless broadcast over public airwaves are involved. Any release of a console game requires an ESRB rating and none of the console manufacturers have allowed an AO rated game to get their required license.

          • seiya19

            I don’t see anything in your link that states that. Just that they avoided submitting it to the ESRB in case of potentially (emphasis on that word) getting an AO rating, for the reasons stated there. I’m fully aware of what that rating means for a console release, but the very least they could do is try, in my opinion.

            As for the rest, Dance in the Vampire Bund is rated TV-MA in the US, from what I see in imdb and other sites.

            http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1586814/parentalguide

            And i’m also finding claims that the manga, published by Seven Seas Entertainment, is also uncensored, although I haven’t fully verified it yet.

        • darke

          Just as a reference, Australia who randomly rates Atelier games as 18+ gave an uncensored version of Dance in the Vampire Bund a 15+ according to this review: http://www.otakustudy.com/anime/2011/09/dance-in-the-vampire-bund-review/

          I do wonder sometimes if companies are just jumping at shadows. :? (The monster monpiece one especially.)

          • seiya19

            Thanks for the link. ^_^

            And I agree with the last part, which is something I find to be quite worrisome. It seems like many publishers are actively avoiding controversial content even before being challenged, and despite having to deal with said media on a regular basis. Self-censorship is becoming a bigger obstacle than any actual imposition from the outside… And it just makes no sense.

          • darke

            Honestly, probably the reason they would have done it is simply profitability, regardless of any other reasons.

            Spending legal and non-legal person hours on this would have probably increased the minimum number of discs required before breaking even to making a profit even if there was no challenge. If there was a challenge it possibly would have pushed the cost of releasing it higher then they would have expected to make in returns.

            Whether it not people choose to believe their stated reasons for this, this was probably an additional factor even if it wasn’t necessarily their primary one for not releasing it uncensored.

            It sucks, but that’s life sometimes. People should think of it as a good excuse to learn Japanese so they can experience the real game without shortened-to-fit English translations and random ‘necessary’ or ‘unnecessary’ censorship. :P

          • seiya19

            Oh, I’m sure profitability has a lot to do with this. I just don’t find it to be a valid excuse. As a publisher, they know the rules of the game beforehand. They should be prepared to afford the costs required to function as such.

            Or, alternatively, don’t bother with the game in the first place. I know many disagree with this, but there are plenty of games in Japan to localize that would not have this issue, and I would prefer not to see more precedents of censorship being added to the list. And I find it hard to believe these games are their only choice.

            Besides, isn’t it a contradiction to dedicate yourself to a niché like this one while trying to get around it at the same time ? And wouldn’t it be in their own benefit to tackle these issues now for the long run, if they’re planning to stick to said niché in the future ?

            Learning Japanese would indeed be a solution, but it’s clearly not for everyone. I for one have already learned one foreign language before (the one we’re using now), so I know what’s that about… I’m still not sure if I have the time and patience to get into a 3rd one nowadays…

        • Lynx

          The first didn’t get an uncut release immediately though. There was a whole uproar about Funimation using the TV masters, or was it the DVD masters, thus censoring all the nudity and not having the fixes the Japanese BDs had.

          Plus there’s also the case of the two different entities overseeing ratings.

          DotVB had the the the Canadian rating of MA anyway with the manga having 16+.

          • Landale

            Different rating entities, different standards between media in general, different context between the two things in general. There are a lot of variables to consider in why things would be rated as they are and why laws would or would not apply.

          • seiya19

            I see… Well, regardless of what happened before, what matters here is that it eventually got its uncut release. So we know at least that certain amount of loli nudity with sexual overtones can be considered lawful under the right circustances in these countries. And while we can only speculate whether Mugen Souls would be somehow considered to be above it, we do know that the same laws regarding child pornography apply to both media. So my point here is that it’s just speculation, as we have enough evidence to put it into question.

            In any case, it all comes down to the ESRB and PEGI anyway as you need their approval, and I really doubt they would be capable of giving a pass to something unlawful. So, we end up with what NISA stated, which as I said before, I don’t personally consider to be enough.

      • Shippoyasha

        I think many of us understand the reasoning behind it. It’s just that so many of us are fed up about it.

    • KH1989b

      Support NISA and niche jrpgs because it’s very possible that we never get these games if they keep selling bad. and I buy these game for the game as in gameplay and characters not to see some soft porn and child nudity.

      • goodanimugoy2

        looks like my post was deleted by puritan mods

        >child nudity
        and exactly what is ‘child nudity’ about a swimsuit?

        • KH1989b

          Look let’s not get technical here whether you call it nudity or not, I have seen the video for both Mugen Souls and Z where you ‘power up’ the girls by washing them in mini bath games and it’s extremely suggestive the clothing while there it’s made in a way that it looks they are naked, and washing their rear with white-creamy soap and rubbing between their legs with banana? Yeah it’s not going to be allowed in USA or Europe. Also I read your deleted post, I guess it’s more funny considering I am not American right? ..

          • goodanimugoy2

            are you forced to use the banana in that manner?

            and no, none of the swimsuits were made to look naked

            sorry

      • Astralwyrm

        Bad games that give JRPGs a bad name… yeah i’m not going to support that. I’ve played enough of them to know theres nothing of value to me in any game they make. Cross Edge is the only game i had some enjoyment out of and even that game was far from great. I sit here trying to think of a compile heart game i actually really liked and all i can come up with are games made by gust….

    • Kamakuma

      Geez can this all stop? Sure a lot of people don’t care for censorship (myself included) however do you think every time the game shows up there’s a need to post something like this? If you don’t want to buy it just import( again like I have) then get it when it’s like 5-10$ When it’s in the bargain bin as it will as most games seem to end up after a while.

      Or you know you could become a politician and campaign on getting that standard most places besides Japan has removed demolished w/e. And good luck with that last one btw as I doubt many people would follow that one anyhow. *Shrugs*

  • DesmaX

    When Nisa wants to make bad trailers, they make bad trailers

  • revenent hell

    Trailers are not meant to make games look bad …… But I kind of think that after watching these to be honest.

  • Draparde

    Already pre-ordered!

  • ivanchu77

    Day 1 :D

    • Joshua Myers

      For sure XD i still hate how they censor it fking bastards

      • KuroNathan

        Again, it is not a matter of protecting the audience or open mindedness. It is a matter of legality as Canada and parts of Europe have strict laws against child pornography that extends to drawn characters as well. If you have an issue with that you should bring it up with law makers rather then punish the localization team.

        • Joshua Myers

          lawl how am i punishing them? I already know its the ESRB’s fault >.>

          • Towel

            I feel some of the fans of these niche titles have a bit of a complex where if you’re not 100% committed to their echo chamber of unwavering praise, you’re against them.

          • Joshua Myers

            I am committed to them even if it was censored to living hell i would still buy it because i love all of the games NIS publishes so far.

          • http://hatintime.com/ ShadowFang

            Thank You!

            Protip: Avoid the page comments for Bullet Girls and Senran Kagura Shinovi Versus. Ugh. The vocal minority have those games on lockdown – you either dig the creepy lolicon stuff, the blatant sexualization of little girls – like the creators’ intended – or YOU’RE the outcast.

            It’s not the gameplay – no fan cares about that. But they best not censor the panty shots and the rubbing minigames and whatnot! THAT’S WHAT’S IMPORTANT TO THE INTEGRITY OF THE FRANCHISE! *facepalm*

            I thought that those communities only hung out on Sankaku Complex or something.

          • goodanimugoy2

            NISA hasn’t been clear about who’s to blame the whole time. When it was revealed, they said it was for “company morality”. In a webcast a few days ago, they just mentioned the ESRB

            Quite frankly, I don’t believe anything they say. Probably just saying anything to save their ass now

          • Maksim Tsirulnik

            NISA directly said that the ESRB would have rated the game an AO if the minigame was kept in. That would have prevented the game from even being allowed to be sold…at all.

            If you don’t want to believe having actual confirmation of ESRB telling NISA that they would have rated the game as such…I don’t know what to say. It’s your call i guess.

          • goodanimugoy2

            link that they mentioned asking the ESRB? Because all I’ve been reading is that they “informally asked people in positions”

          • M’iau M’iaut

            And that is how it is done. Rather than waste time and money putting the game forward, a member of the board is casually asked, what happens if THIS remains in the game? In such a case, the smart play is to make adjustments before the AO of death is slapped on the product.

          • goodanimugoy2

            and I’m asking where’s the link that says they did that

          • M’iau M’iaut
          • goodanimugoy2

            That’s the original, but I assume the situation is much similar

            And I still don’t see where they consulted the ESRB directly and asked questions.

          • KuroNathan

            I don’t know how the ESRB works but usually for these kind of regulation boards they tend to be rather conservative on these kind of materials and will hold previous reviews against you.

            Now they didn’t actually formally ask anyone at the ESRB but given that NISA is a fairly well established and experienced publishing company they can probably predict what kind of rating they’d get with a fair amount of accuracy, so rather then risk the chance of an AO review (along with the bad press generated by it) it makes more sense to avoid taking a losing step in the first place.

            Is it self censorship? Yes technically, but considering that the alternative is the game not being able to be published at all then it seems like the correct choice to me. The alternative would be to write to the ESRB, lawmakers in canada and select european countries (it varies between which country, but some have anti loli laws and some don’t) or to learn japanese and import the original.

          • darke

            How is a high rating a negative or bad press? Atelier games seem to regularly get an 18+ in Australia and they’re reported here, before common sense and a boot to the head kicks in and they get re-reviewed at ‘only’ 15+.

            It’s usually ‘good’ press as well since the last few times I recall it happening it was the first notification of release of the Plus versions…

          • KuroNathan

            I’m not exactly sure how it works in australia but it sounds like to me 18+ is the equivalent of M in the US. AO is a completely different level all together and retail stores will refuse to even carry the game if it gets an AO rating.

          • darke

            The new 18+ rating has been in existence since June 2012 from memory but the first game to be released as 18+, Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor’s Edge was only released last month I think. EB Games (basically the Australian branch of Gamestop in the US) apparently stocks it; but 18+ is the highest classification you can get before ‘banned’, so it’s the equal of AO.

            Also essentially all European 18 and American 17+ games come into Australia rated at 15+, almost all uncensored (they don’t like using real world drug references (morphone in Fallout 3 from memory) or beating people to death with dildo-bats (Saint’s Row) mainly). So having 18+ as M-in-US would simply make me giggle even more when yet-another 18-only european game comes into Australia as being acceptable for high-school students down here. Clearly Australians have far more mature children then elsewhere in the world. :)

            I recall most American films that get rated R tend to come into Australia as 15+ as well (despite the fact we’ve had an 18+ for flims for years), if that matters at all.

            Anyway, I guess the long and short of this is that “naked, flat chested, short-bodied females are fine in Australia, certain people wishing otherwise notwithstanding”.

            As far as Atelier goes, as I recall, the initial reviews seem to be misunderstood on descriptions of events without context; so they get ‘corrected’ when shown the relevant scenes.

          • KuroNathan

            but the thing is, that receiving an AO rating is the equivalent of being banned form a business point ov view. AO games are the equivalent of taboo and companies bend over backwards to avoid getting an AO rating cause it means no store will carry the game. Amazon, gamestop, eb games, they’ll all refuse to sell it.

          • darke

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_video_games_in_Australia

            By the look of things the only way you can get banned completely in Australia post-mid-2012, 18+ addition is is incentivising real-world drug use (which is solved by… renaming the drugs; how moronic), or scenes of sexual violence involving minors.

            Apparently sexual violence involving adults is fine though, but it does give you an 18+: http://www.kotaku.com.au/2014/03/watch-dogs-re-classified-as-r18-due-to-newly-added-scenes-featuring-sexual-violence/

            And for reference, Watch Dogs is being sold pretty much everywhere, so 18+ has no relationship what so ever to AO in America. (Again, ebgames.com.au, the equalivant of gamestop in america, has it on it’s shelves.)

          • goodanimugoy2

            Australia is a mess. It’s what they get for having government hacks run their rating board

          • Shippoyasha

            I think it’s horrific that AO is not allowed for distribution or sale. It’s a failure of the system + a chilling effects form of censorship. You are afraid of the ratings, so you self censor yourself. That’s the mindset of some companies.

            None of that sits right with me. Just makes my skin crawl at how disgusting it is.

          • Anime10121

            Only argument I agree on. AO is pointless if console manufacturers/retailers wont allow it.

          • M’iau M’iaut

            All of the console companies have the right to say no to AO — since saying YES to a dirty JP video game means they must say yes to some fly by night behind the green door adult video company looking for a few extra bucks.

          • Shippoyasha

            I think it could be workable if at least they pass the rudimentary tests of it being a viable game by a renowned game company.

          • goodanimugoy2

            and more choice is bad….how?

          • Maksim Tsirulnik

            Wow, there’s been quite a few comments. Sorry for being so late.

            Anyway, here’s the link you asked for. It’s a live stream that they did showcasing the game and also talking about various business stuff. I’d recommend listening to the whole thing if you manage to find the time as you get a better idea of NISA’s relationships with other companies, how they go about with their localizations, etc.

            Regardless, the part you want to go to starts at around 01:53:38.
            http://www.twitch.tv/nisamerica/b/522753121

          • goodanimugoy2

            Interest statement if sincere, although they are kind of talking out their rear about being against all censorship now after 2 years of publically playing the moral high ground and calling out their own products as containing pedophile material. Gonna need another year or 2 to get trust back.

            Oh well I can’t be bothered anymore to get worked up about it, especially since there’s no shortage of JRPGs this year, and I can finally start the Arland series with Rorona+ being relelased. Maybe I’ll look at again in the used bargain bin

        • RawrWata

          You shouldn’t have a problem with it though, :|

  • Junko Enoshima

    “Fetish Poses” are a bit…???????

    • Joshua Myers

      Theres nothing wrong with them >.> dont jump on the train to get that removed too…

  • http://takopako.tumblr.com takopako

    can male characters captivate?

    • biskmater

      its looking syrma exclusive.

  • Firion Hope

    hahaha the first trailer had me laughing so hard

  • Kornelious

    SO MUCH MOE!…..I think at least, that feature always confused me :P
    Only less than two weeks to go….With this and Drakengard 3….I CAN’T WAIT! :D

  • TheLoliGod

    Time to put this together with the jpn copy… in my “special material” bin.

  • Abysswalker90

    ………………………….didn’t this game come out already? (in EU/NA I mean)

    • darke

      No? Later this month it should be released I believe.

  • Tiredman

    I just hope the ship power up mechanic is fixed in this game. I grinded 3 times through story mode after beating it the first time and my ship still couldn’t handle enemy ships in the mugen field when my characters were blazing through there in non ship battles. It literally took 100 times longer to power up the ship than your own characters and that kept me from bothering with the mugen field after a certain point.

    • flandre

      there’s a pretty awesome feature in MSZ you can unlock that lets you fight enemy ship battles onboard which is a really nice shortcut for mugen field grinding.
      ____________________________________
      about the enemy ships themselves, MSZ’s mugen field ship battles are going to be much more stronger than the previous game but it’s actually much easier to win since it’s more predictable and pierce is heavily nerfed so you win most ship battles as long as they don’t 1 shot you. you can actually make use of your other ship commands and use strategy.

      • Tiredman

        Thanks for the heads up. I am still getting it because even if I am a bit bored of Moe in general, the stories are usually good for more than a few chuckles.

  • Masa

    Looks like another terrible game……

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