Rumour: Super Smash Bros. Leak Claims Shulk, Bowser Jr. And Others Are Playable

By Ishaan . August 25, 2014 . 8:01am

Last week, a leak that originated on imageboard 4chan claimed that Shulk from Xenoblade, the dog from Duck Hunt, Bowser Jr. and Dark Pit will be included as newcomers in Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U. The leak also claimed that characters such as Falco and Ness would return in the new game.

 

At the time, we weren’t convinced of the legitimacy of the leak to consider reporting it on Siliconera, but since then, videos that appear to confirm the leaked characters have emerged on YouTube, showing a number of them in action.  You can watch these videos below. (Thanks, Smash Boards)

 

 

 

 

 

 

The player in the allegedly leaked videos uses the name ESRB0083, which could indicate that these videos were meant to be submitted to the Entertainment Software Rating Board, in order to procure the game’s final ESRB rating.

 

In addition to revealing new characters that will be included in the game, a 4chan leak also claimed that Lucas, Wolf, the Chorus Men (from Rhythm Heaven), the Ice Climbers and Snake (from Metal Gear Solid) will be released as DLC.

 

Keep in mind that this is still strictly a rumour for the time being, so all of the aforementioned information should be taken with a grain of salt, even though the idea of Shulk in Smash Bros. seems quite likely and Dark Pit has already been teased once before.

 

Super Smash Bros. will be released for Nintendo 3DS this October in North America and Europe. The Wii U version will be released later this Holiday.


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  • FivePointedTheStar

    Whoever had console #83 is in unbelievable amounts of trouble.

    • KingGunblader

      Yep, if this is real then this person is most definitely fired.

      • http://www.facebook.com/MHKogath Kogath

        Fired and sued.

  • Manny Being Manny

    “Keep in mind that this is still strictly a rumour for the time being, so all of the aforementioned information should be taken with a grain of salt”

    I dunno, when you have actual videos covering about 3-4 minutes of gameplay, thats about as confirmed as it gets to me. That would take some pro level trolling to get away with.

    • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

      Sadly, some people have nothing better to do with their time. Fake “leaks” over the years have gotten incredibly convincing. There was once a time when creating fake magazine scans was considered too time-consuming to bother, but now it happens all the time. It’s always better to be safe than sorry.

      • Kaetsu

        For all we know this could be a modded version of Project M.

        • KingGunblader

          Running on a 3DS though?

          • Kaetsu

            Never is it shown in any of these videos that he’s playing on a 3DS.

          • Sentsuizan_93

            Explain the dual screens, then.
            Cause only the 3DS version shows damage % on the bottom screen.

          • KingGunblader

            He does have a point, kind of. It’s worth keeping in mind that we can only see the screens, and not an actual piece of the 3DS hardware.

          • Kaetsu

            It’s easy to edit two screens on top of each other. He could easily be recording a monitor with a video that has two screens edited together. Never do you see a 3DS machine with the circle pad or face buttons. You also don’t see a 3D slider on the side. This looks pretty fake.

          • http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/mgbenz mgbenz

            Do you even know how Brawl mods work or are made? A lot of the things in these videos (like everythign about Bowser Jr.) are impossible or will literally take months or years to accomplish and that would mean that the guy who made all these is a time traveler since he should know all of these info in advance.

            You people are so extremely in denial it’s depressing actually.

          • FivePointedTheStar

            Unless the entire “leak video” is actually just a movie and the dude isn’t actually playing.

          • http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/mgbenz mgbenz

            I’m actually surprised that people here in Siliconera are the most in denial about these leaks. Even people at Kotaku believe it.

          • FivePointedTheStar

            Kotaku. lawl

            Anyway, the volume is too low that you don’t hear anyone pressing buttons. Everything beyond the “screen” is blacked out to the point where it’s only the implication that it’s the 3DS, not that it actually is.

          • Afternoon Intergalactic

            You’re right that the video doesn’t show the 3DS clearly so we shouldn’t jump to conclusions. However, it’s safe to say that this isn’t a variation of Project M. Baby Bowser’s model and moveset are not made of content recycled from brawl.

        • andref

          That is true considering they have added in characters and new character skins

  • Prinny Dood

    I hope its true dood! Btw im going to be revealed soon dood!

    • Kevin

      If only it was true, then maybe a certain character could also be the star of this game.

  • ivanchu77

    No Waluigi no buy

    • Ava1on

      Signed in just to downvote this.

    • jugss

      AT 4ever!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/MHKogath Kogath

    Looks like Shulk has some of Marth’s moves. Also, what’s with the end of the Team Battle focusing only on Shulk instead of the whole team?

    • KingGunblader

      Well, it’s the 3DS version and everyone has their own screen. So if you were the leader of the winning team, the camera will focus on you. I guess.

      • Bobby Jennings

        This is correct.

      • http://www.facebook.com/MHKogath Kogath

        Makes sense.

      • http://www.facebook.com/MHKogath Kogath

        Actually wait, take a closer look. That Shulk is a CPU player!

  • Daniel Jeanbaptiste

    If the Leak being legit means we got more frisking MARIO CHARACTERS
    GOOD LORD!

    Mario
    Luigi
    Peach
    Bowser
    Rosalina
    Bowser Jr.
    Dr. Mario

    Two wasted slots that could had been Golden Sun or Advance Wars.

    Since both franchise has nothing related to them confirmed yet

    • Strain42

      The concept of wasted slots or characters somehow stealing away from other potential characters is but a myth. Even if you removed the last three names on that list from the game there’d be no way of knowing that any character would take their place, much less from some other game.

  • http://www.facebook.com/MHKogath Kogath

    The Bowser Jr is the one that really gets me. Only thing I could remotely
    think of would be sprite rips from some of the newer games with him but that’s reaching.

  • KingGunblader

    Hm, those videos look pretty legit. It would take quite a bit of work to create fakes of this quality.

    Looks like Ganondorf is still a Falcon clone, which is really disappointing. Also, Dark Pit? Really?

    • J_Joestar

      yeah, DP is the very definition of a palette swap clone…

    • Jero

      Sakurai made kid icarus, I’m pretty sure he can make pit ii work. The game has a huge variety of weapons (good choices for pit ii: Pandora claws, darkness bow, a club…).

  • Adrián Alucard

    if rumours are true and the game have (paid) DLCs, I Won´t buy

    Sakurai said no clones and no DLCs

    • http://www.facebook.com/MHKogath Kogath

      Gotta love his reasoning behind Lucina not being a clone…

      • KingGunblader

        His ‘reasoning’ could apply to every clone character in the entire series! (Here’s looking at you Ganondorf, Falco, Toon Link, Luigi / Dr. Mario, Roy et al)

        • http://www.facebook.com/MHKogath Kogath

          “Dr. Mario isn’t a clone because he tosses pills instead of fireballs!”

          Yeah, I expect something like that…

        • andref

          In the defense of clones, for some like falco or luigi, it would be harder to make totally new movesets rather than altering their moves to make them a little different than their counterparts

          • Herok♞

            Luigi is enough of his own character at this point that the clone title doesn’t really fit him anymore

          • andref

            That is true, though for others, IMO ganondorf is the only one that really needs to be different

          • Herok♞

            I like that he was a slower Captain Falcon to be honest but I can see why someone would want him to be his own thing

    • AuraGuyChris

      He said nothing of the sort about clones, and he disliked the idea of DLC.

      However, since he’s kind of small compared to Nintendo, it’s Nintendo’s final say.

    • Tonton Ramos

      Maybe the WiiU version they will be unlockable but DLC on 3DS version lol!

    • AkuLord3

      If these were true, the guy put a HUGE work on things…i think its fine if he did just add in clones just for a big roster for people (and some people wouldn’t mind). If he made Duck Hunt a real thing…i wouldn’t complain but once again i doubt it be true.

  • SonicRulez

    The dog from Duck Hunt? And I’ll have to pay for Snake? God damn it, Nintendo.

    • http://www.thejaystack.com/ Jon Stachewicz

      HOW IS ANYBODY MAD ABOUT DUCK HUNT DOG

      • SonicRulez

        He’s a waste of a character spot. Plus there’s no character in all Smash that I’ve never lost a match to. Eventually I’m going to lose to the stupid Duck Hunt Dog. That’s dumb.

  • Codename: D.A.V.I.D.

    I want to smash with Ice Climbers (;△;)

    • Ava1on

      Paid DLC according to the leak.

      • BalmungX

        Did they said paid DLC? Damn,i was hoping for free dlc

      • Herok♞

        Every other cut, from the main roster I am fine with but Ice Climbers who was a normal unique character being replaced with characters who easily could have been skins rubs me the wrong way, unless the dlc is free then I will be fine with it. But if its Paid DLC it better be really cheap then I will be really annoyed

      • Mojoy Scourge

        It just said DLC and never said Paid DLC

  • César H. Sandoval

    Sakurai Give Snake plz

    • Traveler

      with a not so easier to abuse recovery move

    • Spirit Macardi

      You mean the character Kojima begged to be included, and then afterwards kept putting in games only for the systems of their competitors? Yeah, I’m sure they feel all sorts of loyalty towards him.

      • César H. Sandoval

        Haha I doubt the people actually making these games are that much into “ConsoleWars” as their fans are.

        When they put Snake in the last smash game, he was mostly modeled after MGS2 and MGS3′s designs, wich were exclusive to other Non-Nintendo platafforms at the time instead of reusing the Nintendo owned Twin Snake’s model… and as far as I know, Kojima is still in good terms with Sakurai.

        • Spirit Macardi

          Personally I just think if they’re going to have a Konami rep then it should be someone who has a more solid link to Nintendo platforms. Someone like Simon Belmont or Goemon. Or hell, Sparkster!

          And even if we do get another Kojima character, I think Raiden in his Revengeance form would be far more fitting from a gameplay standpoint. Give him all sorts of sword attacks, maybe a parry that works like Fox’s shield or Little Mac’s dodge, and for Final Smash: “JACK IS BACK!”

          • César H. Sandoval

            Tons of people mained Snake in the last game, While I do agree he doesn’t fit SmashBros as much as let’s ay, Goemon, the Contra dudes or Simon Belmont would do, bringing back a character they already made fully-playable would be easier for them and a lot of fans would like it.

            Also, after Raiden in the dissapointing PSAS, I really wouldn’t like him to be included instead of Snake, we already had a lot of Swordsmen (And women) in the game anyway.

          • Shippoyasha

            Snake did play very well. Really unique moveset as well. It’s really fun watching what pros can do with him.

  • Asura

    Damn. Ganondorf’s a clone again. :(

    • BalmungX

      Yeah,i wanted something different like the hyrule warriors Ganondorf

    • Misty Dawson

      Uhhh.. it’s just a rumor… just because there’s a video doesn’t mean it’s real. Everything can be edited nowadays.

      • Asura

        That they were taken down by Nintendo indicates it’s ligit.

  • rinalicat

    Okay now I really need Shulk to be in this game. Xenoblade Chronicles is the BEST~!

    • Asura

      Check the footage. He’s in.

      • rinalicat

        Oh yeah I know but I legitimately need this to be confirmed, even if I see it with my eyes I really need to have confirmation as well. No idea why but…I guess it’s so the nervous feeling in my gut goes away…

      • Daniel Jeanbaptiste

        Which would rather take
        Nintendo’s confirmation or some random leak

    • Junko Enoshima

      Hated Xenoblade, so I’m never playing as Shulk.

      • Kaetsu

        I didn’t like Xenoblade much either but I’m still going to play as Shulk :D

        • Junko Enoshima

          I’m personally gonna stick with ness, but I hope he gets a better up and down smash!

  • http://www.thejaystack.com/ Jon Stachewicz

    duck
    hunt
    dog
    thank
    you
    nintendo

    • https://twitter.com/polaritymanx StarFang

      At least players around the world will finally beat the hell out of that pesky dog.

  • SetzerGabbiani

    …Damn leaks :/ Anyway at least Shulk will probably have a nice intro video, so all the excitement is not lost.

    Reyn has to be in the final smash. He has to say “It’s Reyn time”…it’s too iconic to pass up.

    Break > Topple > Smash!!

  • Tonton Ramos

    HYPE DESTROYED! I’M OUTTA HERE! Still buying the game though Shulk is in. Seriously Snake shouldn’t be DLC should have been Professor Layton to be DLC.

  • Tonton Ramos

    Also both 3DS and WiiU version will have the same roster lol I wonder if those characters will be DLC only to the 3DS version while the WiiU version they are unlocked?

    • Taedirk

      Same roster, different stage list.

  • nick_54g

    >trusting /v/

  • Daniel Rossevelt

    Hmm I would like to believe this (except the possibility of paid DLC), it would be cool though if someone went through all that work for a troll leak

  • http://linkapics.tumblr.com/ Linka

    Man, I dunno. I watch these videos, and something just feels… Wrong about how Shulk and Bowser Jr. move. Bowser Jr. especially, it feels like the wrong skin on something else. I can’t buy it.

    Also, I still doubt the leaks are legitimate mainly due to the DLC claim. Sakurai might’ve not said no to DLC, but he said he wasn’t going to even start to think about it until both games are done. You think the guy’s gonna want to put down even more arguably unnecessary work after the health problems he’s had?

    • http://www.thejaystack.com/ Jon Stachewicz

      Bowser is Tron Bonne in dinosaur form, that’s okay with me

    • 3PointDecoupage

      I recall him also saying no clones.

    • raygunner659

      Certainly from what I saw Shulk had a lot of moves that seemed similar to Marth’s, or Roy’s in Project M (the recovery, the down smash, the thrust), and the only thing that seemed new was the Monado mode changing, which is just shulk standing around while the characters flashed. Either way, if this is fake, it’s a very impressive fake nonetheless.

  • Strawberry Starlet

    Although the videos are convincing, I find the characters chosen for DLC to be a bit odd. Chorus men? Lucas? Ice Climbers? These aren’t exactly the most popular characters in the world (AFAIK). I would think they would choose a few that people would be willing to pay for, unless, of course, these are free DLC.

    • 3PointDecoupage

      Theyre not there to make money. Theyre there to make old fans happy while still being able to fit what they want in the game.

  • Kaijumaster

    I was seriously wondering why Shulk hadn’t already been included, so this is great!

  • Spirit Macardi

    Seeing as it’s 4chan, the butthole of the internet, I’d take this with a grain of salt… Actually, I’d take it with enough salt to cause organ failure and hallucinations.

    Plus, I’ve been let down by supposed leaks in the past:
    http://i.imgur.com/3GFORua.jpg

    • Tonton Ramos

      Nooooo! Klonoa is an Assist trophy :(

      • https://twitter.com/polaritymanx StarFang

        Damn them! I’d loved to play as Klonoa and his throws-based style.

        • Spirit Macardi

          Wouldn’t even need to be just throwing; give him his arsenal of different weapons from Klonoa Heroes and Namco X Capcom. Have each button combo cause him to pull out his wind sword, hammer, shuriken, spike ball launchers, etc.

    • Jero

      Nah, 4chan is pretty legit tho, they are the first ones to deny any leak. I mean people posts leaks every single day and this one is by far the most believable.

  • wahyudil

    my favourite characters, snake and ice climbers as DLC??? well, at least they returned … I am happy for that

  • http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/mgbenz mgbenz

    The DLC list is fake. The first two leakers confirmed it and the third just posted it to troll 4chan.

    • BalmungX

      Really? So the leak is true but the DLC list is fake?

      • http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/mgbenz mgbenz

        Yeah the third leaker was also responsible for that “disablad” debacle to throw people off.

  • Zer0faith

    Chorus men confirmed?! Aw Yeah

    http://www.thevipconcierge.com/images/UploadedEventPhotos/Two-and-a-Half-Men.jpg

    Totally what came to mind when I read that part.

    • AkuLord3

      Eww

    • AndyMAX

      I would love to have Charlie Sheen as an Assist Trophy, throwing white snow and getting people all dizzy would be his attack.

      • Zer0faith

        I can just imagine him right there in the middle of the ring shouting “Winning!” over and over again even as your character gets pummeled to death for bringing him out.

  • Kevin

    idk I call shenanigans. the top screen and bottom screen have no degree of separation like what would be present on actual hardware, so in order for this to be real it would need to be played on a monitor and the fact no hardware is shown in the video only adds further suspicion.

    • Misty Dawson

      That is exactly what I was going to type in! Has no one played on a 3ds or something?! This is totally not what it even looks like!

      • Kevin

        Thank you, sir and/or madam.

  • Pyrotek85

    Doesn’t look like it’ll happen in this game, but I’m hoping Castlevania will feature in a future Smash Bros. I could easily see them using Simon, Richter, Maria, Alucard, Dracula, etc. Plenty to choose from I think, and they all had subweapons and special abilities that would be cool to implement.

  • ALL HAIL KING BIMPY

    i hate shulk. hes such a boring 1 dimensional character with no personality. its like no soul went into his characterization

    • http://LevelUpGeneration.blogspot.com/ KALiverin

      I don’t know, I liked him personally. I liked all the characters in the game, but then again, it is hard to dislike characters that have no character development or personality traits beyond the ones they start out with.

  • Misty Dawson

    It clearly states RUMOR, people! Sheesh!

    • ALL HAIL KING BIMPY

      theres lots of rumors for fighting games…. people make fake pics and mods. dbzb3 has ssj5 mod. sf4 has a Nova skin mod. people will claim their real

  • kylehyde

    citing neogaf “Against the Odds, We Choose to Hype!”

  • Freud_Hater

    This looks fake to me, but I gotta admit that it’d be cool. I don’t like Shulk as a character but getting to use the Monado in SSB would be really cool.

  • http://LevelUpGeneration.blogspot.com/ KALiverin

    I don’t buy this…at all. A huge sign of a typical leak is blurry, obscure looking footage, and that’s basically what this is. I especially love how all of the videos are titled “leak” and not something else. Seems kind of lazy if you ask me.

    Off topic a little bit, I always thought that Shulk would be an odd choice for a Smash character because I’m not sure how his abilities would translate into a fighting game. Then again, they put Pac-Man and some other weird characters in there, so they’d find some way to make it work. It’d be a smart way to bring a little more exposure to the new Xenoblade.

    • Shippoyasha

      It’s blurry because it’s a 3DS game. As in that most people don’t have capture devices for handheld games and settle for hand cams or phone cams.

    • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

      The quality just isn’t there to me, either. I mean, aside from the blurriness, some of the actual quality seems a little low? I don’t know what I’m saying. I just don’t buy it though. >u<

  • Dexterino

    Seems legit. There’s a video with sounds. Final Roster. But I remember the leaker saying how he wished IC Wolf Snake and Chorus Men to be in as DLC. I don’t believe the DLC Part. Unless there was another 4chan looking post thats theu are confirmed dlc

    • Heisst

      Final roster? Not sure about that:

      • zferolie

        is this supposed to be hinting at a bigger roster? I mean i am sure its not the final since there were many empty spots in the character select screen

        • Heisst

          All Star mode isn’t unlocked till all the characters are.

          • zferolie

            AH! I forgot that. Pretty awesome.

            Plus this confirms you need to unlock characters, which is good news to me. I love unlocking characters in these games

  • AuraGuyChris

    You’d think Siliconera would use another picture to hide the surprise…

  • Dexterino

    SAKURAIIII?! Please look at the leak and your thoughts on it please.

    • Tonton Ramos

      Please understand…

      • Dexterino

        Post on the MiiVerse site. LOL

  • KanjiLikesBoys

    It’s REYN TIME!

    • https://twitter.com/polaritymanx StarFang

      I hope he’s a Support in this game.

  • raygunner659

    I’m still leaning on the fake ruling (mostly for my own sanity…) but I’ll have to admit if this is a fake, it’s a very impressive fake. I’ll just have to say Shulk looks like he has a lot of cloned moves from Marth or Roy from Project M (the recovery, down smash, the thrust) and that’s really not very impressive to me, fake or otherwise, Ganondorf looks exactly the same as before, I’m so sure Bowser’s flame looked like it fanned a lot larger during the SDCC tournament, why doesn’t the shulk leak show the cpu level? and I’m just nitpicking, aren’t I >_>

    • Kaetsu

      So far I’m pretty sure all of the leaks have been fake except Paleutena and even that was an easy guess. I wouldn’t believe in this one.

      • Manny Being Manny

        Since the game is out in a couple weeks in Japan, its likely already gone gold and there are people who have access to the game who can leak it. Its a lot more reliable now then leaks from 6 months ago

        • http://linkapics.tumblr.com/ Linka

          Considering they were still adding skins literally right before these leaks came out (Zero Mission ZSS skin, for instance), and made a comment that it was still basically crunch time, I feel like it hasn’t gone gold, at least at the time these leaks first came out. This might just be me, though.

          • Manny Being Manny

            Are we sure they’re not just announcing things they already added in a while ago though? To reach a release date you normally have to be finished with it about a month beforehand to give time for all the production.

          • http://linkapics.tumblr.com/ Linka

            While this might be true, I think it’s as much reasonable that while they’ve probably FINISHED a lot of the base work, they’ve still been having to polish the game up to a certain point. And once finished polishing, they reveal the stuff.

          • Manny Being Manny

            Maybe some of that stuff will be in a day 1 patch. But at this point you really need to have the game done for production or you’d never be able to hit the September 13th release date in Japan.

          • http://linkapics.tumblr.com/ Linka

            Well, as another side of the argument, while the Japan side would be done, why aren’t all of the leaks of the Japanese version of the game? Why would this be of the English version, which might still need translation work done and localization done, since it’s coming out a month later? Especially since it’s very likely that they’ll be taking whatever immediate feedback is made of the Japan version and adding that as quickly as possible to the base game in the West, and otherwise would, yeah, be in a patch.

          • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

            My suspicion is that this is being leaked by someone in QA who has access to the game. If the game hasn’t gone gold yet, it’s likely in the hands of QA, where dozens of playtesters get to test it out. Anyone in the QA process could be behind the leak.

          • http://linkapics.tumblr.com/ Linka

            Wouldn’t the question there then be, “why do all of the leaks say that the player is named for ESRB?”

          • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

            Perhaps the QA guys are the ones that record the videos that are sent to the ESRB for rating? After all, they’re the ones that spend the most time with the game.

      • Akemi Homura

        Even the Palutena leak from a while ago was fake. The model didn’t match up with what we got. Fortunately for the leaker, the info was still correct.

  • ParrotProphet

    Are you kidding me? Ganondorf fights the same fucking way? He’s a swordsman and a mage and he’s big, so why is he using NONE of these moves? I…3 games and we still don’t have a proper moveset for the guy.

    That is, IF this is real. Which it is looking fairly real now.

    • God

      His humanoid form doesn’t even fight using his body (knees, fists, legs, elbows)!

    • PreyMantis

      It can be summed up like this: change it, people complain; don’t change it, people complain.

      • David García Abril

        Pretty much.

        Unfortunately, Sakurai designed the character into a corner.

  • Kornelious

    HOLY CRAP! That….that’s Awesome! I know it’s just a leaked rumor and all but it looks pretty damn real to me! It looks like he can change the sign of the monado so he can use different moves…..Awesome! At this point, after all the foreshadowing Shulk doesn’t get announced then MANY people are gonna be disappointed, so right now I”m just waiting to see his reveal trailer and see what stage they will add for him! =D

    As for the rest…..Bowser Jr. is definitely likely, The dog from Duckhunt…..Well it’s certainly unexpected :P and as for the DLC characters…..well all those characters seem a little fishy, especially having veteran fighters like The Ice Climbers as DLC seems kinda strange……But I guess like always we will have to wait and see! :D

  • ZEROthefirst

    I don’t see Isaac so I say BS. He deserves to be a playable character more than Shulk.

    • Kaetsu

      He’s already an assist trophy. So far no assist trophy has ever become playable and if it were to happen it should be Isa Jo or Ray.

      • Heisst

        Little Mac.

        • http://linkapics.tumblr.com/ Linka

          I think they were specifying not being playable, if they’re an assist in this game, not a previous game.

          • ZEROthefirst

            That’s what I’m guessing, but so far Isaac has yet to even be showed as an assist trophy. He was one of the assist trophies I would have assumed would be showed during that Smash Direct a while back, but he wasn’t and has yet to be seen at all so I’m still hopeful.

          • Heisst

            That can’t be the case, since Isaac hasn’t been shown as an AT in this game.

      • ZEROthefirst

        Isaac has not been shown or confirmed as an assist trophy in the new SSB games so I’m not sure what the point of this is. If we’re talking about Brawl-wise yes he was an assist trophy and so was Little Mac, and obviously one became playable this go around.

    • JTN07

      That’s exactly what I was thinking! The summons from Golden Sun would be perfect as the Final Smash! Imagine Judgment appearing then blasting the whole stage!

    • Skye Johnson

      ‘Deserves?’ I don’t know about that. They’re both characters that would be fun to play as equally, and both, imo, both equally deserve a slot. The thing is, using Shulk over Isaac is probably a way better move from Nintendo at this point. Dark Dawn’s sales did terribly IIRC and no new game is yet on the horizon.

      However, a new Xenoblade game IS being made and marketed. Having Shulk in would be a pretty good form of advertising.

  • FivePointedTheStar

    If these videos were taken off of a 3DS… shouldn’t there be a bar in between the screens?

    • Dexterino

      Or a hinge to show they are playing on a 3ds or XL. Unless they are playing on a projector screen that shows both the top and bottom screens closely together.

  • FFmax

    I’m praying that Ganondorf gets some kind of change but seeing that footage fills me with dread, after 3 games there really is no excuse.

  • chroma816

    I’d like Shulk, but I’m not cool with Dark Pit (especially if he’s a clone, and because the KI series isn’t big enough for 3 reps yet) or Dr. Mario (not being a skin, anyway). Seems like wasted character slots when we’ve yet to get some returning champs like Ganon, Ness, and the IC (to name a few).

    • https://twitter.com/maxiburger maxiburger

      I find it hard to accept myself, but we all need to stop thinking that slots are an actual thing. There is no set number of possible characters in the game. Like they won’t go “sorry there’s no more space for Snake because we already put in Falco, Wolf and Dark Pit”. You could argue that time and money is limited, but that just means you wouldn’t get more unique characters anyway. Clones are cheap and easy though.

  • Dascylus

    Is anything from 4chan legit? That’s like the grainiest salt you could ever take.

    • Cazar

      I don’t see what that has to do with it’s legitimacy. It makes more sense to post a leak on an anonymous image board with heavy traffic than signing up for some forum, exposing yourself through social media, or posting in the comments of some news site like so.

      Plus, 4chan users are some of the biggest skeptics on the internet and it wouldn’t be the first time that legitimate leaks originated there. It seems like a lot of people here are just eager to take jabs at 4chan without really understanding it; probably assuming that all of 4chan is like /b/.

  • NeptuniasBeard

    OMG! Is this real!? I wanna believe it but… I don’t know… You can’t tell what’s real or not these days on the internet.

    Am… am I real?

    • Dascylus

      Skepticism is a sign of being human… so yes, you’re real.

  • Ziko577

    This I think was confirmed to be fake. Nintendo will probably say something about it soon so wait for them to make a move.

  • http://www.truegamerrevolution.com.br/ Bruno Magalhães

    Man, a lot of stuff has been leaked! I never saw something like this before in Super Smash Bros. franchise. o__O

    • Manny Being Manny

      In this day and age, its almost impossible for anything thats popular to not get leaked. I kinda miss the days when we’d go into games and didn’t already know everything about it.

      • 하세요

        Those days are long gone :/
        Hell, companies themselves don’t even care anymore. I used to love getting a new RPG and having no idea what’s to come outside of maybe a gameplay video for battle systems.

        Now, companies show 200+ image batches of screenshots. Like, what the hell else is there to be excited for anymore? I see the whole game right here.

        “Just avoid it then” is a dead argument too as long as you have fellow friends that play games too as news spreads way too damn fast nowadays. I’ve been more into action games now because gameplay is the focus so images / videos don’t do it for me in that genre.

        • http://www.truegamerrevolution.com.br/ Bruno Magalhães

          I agree. I also don’t like to see a lot of images and videos about upcoming games or things, but it’s kinda difficulty. XD

      • Shippoyasha

        Konami has largely done a good job keeping a lid on Metal Gear and Silent Hills. Nobody saw PT coming.

  • phayroent

    Are they going to change this now that it’s possibly been “leaked”? They removed the story mode they first had because of leaks.

    • http://LevelUpGeneration.blogspot.com/ KALiverin

      It’s too late to change it. It’s coming out just over a month from now.

      • 하세요

        Less than at this point. Less than 3 weeks.

  • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

    I don’t entirely buy all of that. I would love for Shulk to make it, but I worry about his chances. The two that are frustrating are Bowser Jr. and the Dog from Duck Hunt.

    Bowser’s children have been making their way into the spotlight lately so I can see why that may come to fruition, but I would be kind of annoyed by that addition actually. (Bowser Jr. before Daisy? Or Kamek even?)

    The Dog from Duck hunt just wouldn’t even make sense. As much as Pac-Man makes me a little huffy, he makes sense and is genuinely a classic character and deserves a spot. The Dog of Duck Hunt? Not so much.

    I guess we’ll see where this goes though. . . ;u;

    • Heisst

      Daisy is just a Peach palette.

      • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

        Sure, but what about Kamek?

        • Heisst

          Smash Run enemy/Assist Trophy at best, him just being a magikoopa (common mario enemy) with a name doesn’t help.

          • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

            He has quite a role throughout the Mario franchise though and is the main villain of the Yoshi series, so that’s more than Bowser Jr. to me. Ultimately, this comes down to a problem with the Mario series and its handling though. x’D

            Either way, I think he has larger potential than Bowser Jr., but it just comes down to being my opinion. Really, I’m just frustrated that we may get another Mario rep/character. I know it’s Mario and all, but goodness.

          • Heisst

            Naturally the ”villain” (actually just a lackey that always gets thrown off in the end) of a spinoff series gets less rep than villains of the mainline series.

          • Shippoyasha

            I think the issue with Kamek is that he flies, making balance pretty tough. They will have to find ways to make his flying antics less broken, I suppose. I think it could be because Nintendo may want a baby character as well.

      • 하세요

        She actually differs from Peach in attitude, character, and what she does in sports games. She could have such a great moveset. Daisy is to Peach as Luigi is to Mario who at this point have completely different movesets (shared Specials but catastrophic difference in properties), but no, let’s have a direct clone like Dark Pit |:

        I’m still excited for this game, but I’m really disappointed in the roster choices if this is true. Mario Kart 8 all over again.

        • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

          Even though I agree entirely, sadly, a lot of people don’t see it that way. ;n;

          I feel the same though. As excited as I have been for the game, for once, I am just not excited about the roster. Mega Man made me happy but after that? Nope. Don’t care.

          • 하세요

            It went from

            - Mega Man: “Aw shit, yes!”
            - Wii Fit Trainer: “Oh okay, only you Sakurai :D”
            - Little Mac: “Hehe, that’s an interesting choice.”
            - Mii Fighters: “Oh…kay…”
            - Dr. Marth (Lucina): “Oh you have got to be kidding me.”
            - Dark Pit and Dr. Mario: “u wot m8.”

            If he did it reverse, I think it would’ve went much better PR-wise.

          • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

            Lol, that is literally how I felt. Admittedly, I was still kind of excited about Wii Fit Trainer, but definitely more amused. But yeah, there was this degradation after that. ouo;

            Hmmm! That would have been much better. At least the frustration would have eventually become excitement.

          • NeptuniasBeard

            I’ve felt the opposite honestly. Characters like Lucina, Mac and Robin got me pumped, while I’m more indifferent to Mega/PAC Man. Even Wii Fit Trainer looks awesome. Not that Mega and PAC aren’t cool additions

        • Heisst

          Leave that to alt movesets, all of the sports games are already represented by Peach’s side smash and Waluigi’s AT. That’s why she always has been a Peach palette in SSB games.

          Bowser Jr actually has SOMETHING to take moves of his own from, like how he uses the magic brush and the clown car.

    • ivanchu77

      sorry man, but Dog is a absolute classic , way more iconic and more deserving to be in this game that any other of the leaked characters,

      • http://gentlerobot.com/ Gentle Robot

        Indeed. Everyone knows the dog. I’m hoping Shulk’s inclusion will spur a re-release of Xenoblade.

      • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

        But how relevant has it been? Pac-Man is classic and has hung in there. Most of the other characters are still relevant too. If we were going for classic but no longer relevant, that should open the floodgates and frankly, I’d be miffed about others that couldn’t make it. (And what is the Dog going to do?)

        • Shippoyasha

          Dog has been really iconic though. A lot of people had the game packed in the NES console release and he had a long presence as a gaming meme.

    • raygunner659

      I have a similar opinion (and this is just my opinion) of Rosalina on the Bowser Jr. and Koopalings issue actually. Technically Rosalina has been in only one main series Mario game (if you don’t include her cosmic presence in Galaxy 2) and yet they shoved her into all the kart games and into Smash (okay, I’m only really mad at MK8 for Baby Rosalina – really undermines her ‘backstory’ from Galaxy). Please don’t misunderstand that as my hating on Rosalina (I think she’s a very interesting character in the Mario universe, at least compared to other characters), it just feels like they have some sort of agenda with her, and the Koopalings for that matter.

      EDIT: Oops, forgot 3D World. Still have the same gripe though. Sorry ’bout that

      • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

        Oh, man. I love Rosalina; but I agree. I have been thinking it for a while too. As much as I love her inclusion in things, they’re forcing it too much. I guess they have to if they want her to have a lasting presence, but it is stretching it.

        The Koopalings are a little mixed for me. I don’t care for them, so their being included to me is usually a mixed bag. They’re not even Bowser’s children (anymore) so I don’t see the point in them being added all the time (especially since there are other characters in the entire franchise that people like just as much if not more).

        Good point about Baby Rosalina undermining her backstory though~! It’s cute, but yeah.

      • Shippoyasha

        I love Rosalina. Don’t understand why people are so up in arms over her. Mario Galaxy series has been the best Mario has been in the modern gaming era and she has more of a relevance than people give her credit.

        • raygunner659

          Personally I think the problem mostly has to do with my own perceptions on Rosalina as a character. There might be a part of me that thinks she should be too good or have better things to do other than racing karts or wearing cat suits. I certainly think she deserves to be in Smash; it’s just if Ice Climbers are out because she’s in (again, irrational), or if the Bowser Jr. and Dr. Mario leak are true, then I’d feel like the variety of Smash characters took a hit (which probably isn’t true given the ratio of Mario characters to others per Smash game). I still do think their inclusion of her in everything shows too much of an agenda.

          • Shippoyasha

            I get where you are coming from. I mained Ice Climbers too.

            I don’t think the agenda is anything malicious or anything though. She does have some fans these days. Especially when she had more of a story role than usual Mario secondary characters.

    • Shippoyasha

      I can see why Daisy won’t be there. She is not a major representative of her games (as in she needs to be in more modern Mario games) and she is largely a secondary princess until she gets more of a game for herself and maybe she won’t be distinct enough as a character. While Duck Hunt dog is a pretty exciting curveball and he will definitely play very uniquely if he’s in there.

    • Mecha_the_Hedgehog

      I myself am shocked JR and Duck Hunt Dog made it in. JR doesn’t seem like he has many fans in fact it almost seems like he is completely hated by the fanbase. Also I would greatly prefer a Daisy clone of peach over Dr. Mario return or Dark Pit I mean he’s more of a color pallet swap then Daisy is.

      Also anyone really annoyed that the Zelda franchise has no new reps at all. One of the most longest running and beloved franchises only gets five reps and two are just clones and one is a transformation being separated yawn. I mean come on Midna and Skull Kid is just a assist trophy that’s just wrong.

      • Shippoyasha

        But I liked Jr… at least he was more of a definite character than the Koopa Kids.

        Maybe this game needed one more year in the cooking to have more reps with more unique movesets. Having 4 or 5 other reps with wholly new fighting styles doesn’t seem feasible without more dev time.

      • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

        I was wondering if he had many fans. I know he’s liked, but I didn’t think that much. And yeah, I don’t see how Dark Pit could be less of a clone than Daisy. x’D

        Yeah, that’s also frustrating and especially so if the leak is true. I know Zelda isn’t as popular in Japan, but it is quite loved otherwise/internationally. I would be fairly miffed if that was all for LoZ and yet we still get more Mario (and Duck Hunt. . .).

    • ZEROthefirst

      Personally I don’t care about Shulk, as long as Isaac, a much more deserving character gets in. Not going to lie if Shulk gets in and no Isaac, I’m going to be huffy.

      • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

        I have no history with Golden Sun but love Xenoblade and like Shulk, so I’d be disappointed if Shulk weren’t in; but I do feel that Isaac deserves to be in there more than Shulk. x’D

        This is kind of what bothers me about how they decide who gets to show though. Sometimes I feel there is a genuine logic to it (history, iconic/classic, relevant) and at times, I feel it’s just for the sake of things (ZSS, Sheik).

    • Judgephoenix

      Its Nintendo they always surprises us ^^;

      • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

        You’re right, and that part makes me happy and sad! x’DD / TTuTT

        I love your avatar, by the way. ♥
        So creepy yet cute, than Nanika.

        • Judgephoenix

          Thanks I make wishes come true :D “Kay”

    • mckun

      I agree….considering that there are better characters than the Dog from Duck Hunt.

      I can image him as a joke trophy but not an actual character.

      • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

        Yeah, this. As a trophy makes sense, but a character? I understand the game is important and he’s iconic. . . but really?

    • lemon

      Duck Hunt is definitely more widely known than Ice Climbers and they got in. The laughing dog is pretty much iconic at this point.

      • Kaihedgie

        And now it’s returned to laugh at the world

      • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

        It is more iconic than them, but they also did more than snicker. I just feel there’s way too much extrapolating to go on with the Dog to justify his inclusion. But then my point goes back to if they’ll include something purely because it is iconic and old, then that changes a lot of things and I expect to see a lot more characters in the future.

    • PreyMantis

      Nintendo just took down the videos due to copyright infringement, so the legitimacy of those films just improved. If they were fake, I doubt Nintendo would bother to do anything. They just created a streisand effect on the ‘leaks.’

      • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

        They probably are real, but I still don’t want to buy it. I also cannot follow Nintendo’s logic at times, so I won’t make too jumps in assumption just yet. x’D

    • NeptuniasBeard

      No disrespect towards you, but the only part of this post I have to question is why you think Daisy should get in before Bowser Jr., or anyone really. Daisy is older, sure, but she isn’t anywhere near relevant. She’s barely above Waluigi. Bowser Jr has at least been in more main Mario games, and is even in an RPG

      • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

        Haha, that’s not disrespectful~. It’s true, he has been more relevant to the story, but they go out of their way to include her elsewhere, and if they know they’re hurtin for (legitimate) female reps, it wouldn’t have been a bad choice. Especially since they know people like her so much.

  • subsamuel01

    Am I the only one worried that they still haven’t released the Wii U launch date. All of these supposed leaks are from the 3DS version too, really hope it doesn’t get delayed.

  • KoRLumen

    I want to think this is fake, but those videos look extremely legit. It would take some extremely talented people with a hell of a lot of time on their hands to legitimately fake something with this level of detail.

  • M’iau M’iaut

    Guys please note how we have and still dealing with this news. Throwing up massive lines of some other board’s posts or pictures is not proof one way or the other. Let’s not treat them as yay or nay…yet.

    • Akemi Homura

      I apologize. I was mostly just trying to give the people here as much context as possible so they can decide for themselves. Wasn’t trying to prove anything.

      There are more leaked pictures coming out as we speak, so as they say “the plot thickens”.

  • HonoraryCMC

    I question the legitimacy completely on the fact that dark pit is among them. Shulk has been the topic of some debate for a while and I don’t see why he wouldn’t be in. Dark Pit however is EXACTLY like Pit and that is established in Kid Icarus Uprising. Sakurai sad only if a character is different in some way would they get their own place. As an alternate skin sure, but dark pit will not be his own character. IF the duck hunt dog is included it will be as an assist trophy, there isn’t enough information to make a full character out of him in a game like this. Bower Jr. would have enough unique traits going for him to make a playable character so that one has enough to be plausible. Overall Smash is only a month away effectively at this point WHO CARES?? We can find out who’s in the game then.

    • Kaihedgie

      “I question the legitimacy completely on the fact that dark pit is among them.” We already have Lucina replacing Roy as the Marth clone and apparently Ganondorf plays just like Captain Falcon. Dark Pit was also hinted at in Palutena’s trailer

      • HonoraryCMC

        Sakurai has addressed Lucina saying she may have similar if not the same moves but she is more accessible in that she deals consistent damage. He said if they play differently in ANY WAY they get their own slot. Dark Pit is an EXACT clone of Pit meaning he has NO differences from Pit at all. Ganondorf lacked Falcon’s speed and had increased power. And Sakurai has been having fun with the smash fan base for a while, just because he was in the Palutena trailer means nothing. It makes much more sense to be a colour swap for pit or even an alternate appearance with his own voice pack.

        • Kaihedgie

          Dark Pit isn’t exactly identical to Pit. He doesn’t require the aid of a deity to use his own powers and thanks to Pandora’s influence, has unlimited flight. They can easily give him the Dark Pit Staff as a secondary weapon as well. There will always be differences between two characters, even if they have the same weapons and abilities

          • HonoraryCMC

            Did you not finish Kid Icarus Uprising. Dark Pit cannot fly on his own. That was taken away from him. Also in game, Dark Pit never uses the dark pit staff. And if they actually were different characters in the same universe yes they can be different. But the game clearly defines dark pit as an exact duplicate of Pit, the only difference between them is their personalities.

          • Kaihedgie

            You do know they can take liberties for Smash Bros, right? Such as Captain Falcon inexplicably being able imbue his physical attacks with fire when neither the games or the anime gave him that, In fact, many crossovers take liberties

            At what point did Dark Pit lost his powers is irrelevant. That does not mean he can’t use them here.

          • HonoraryCMC

            I will give you captain Falcon only because he is a character from a racing game. But smash tries to stay true to the original character, only taking liberties with character who don’t fight regularly enough to build a move set off of. Taking liberties with a character who has defined powers wouldn’t be a good idea. Dark Pit lost the ability to fly on his own, making him, once again, identical to pit!! Why the hell are you arguing this? If he is an alternate skin for pit with his own voice pack he’s basically in the game! The ONLY weapon he actually prefers aside from pit is the silver bow that’s it!

          • Kaihedgie

            Stays true?

            Then why is Wolf a feral clone of Fox when they could have easily given him an arsenal of weapons to choose from and use his Wolfen instead of giving him a recolored Landmaster? Why put Mr. Game & Watch in the game and turn him into a shapeshifter for the sake of referencing not only his own games, but others as well? Why is Snake a demolition specialist instead of relying on more on stealth and CQC? Why is Mewtwo so weak and frail when in his source material, he’s among the most powerful of creatures? Why is Young Link carrying the Fire Arrows if he is his OoT incarnation (evident by the use of the Kokiri Sword and Deku Shield)? Why is OoT Adult Link using the boomerang when it was explicitly stated in that game he lost his most significant items from his childhood when he made the timeskip?

            Why is ROB as a playable character a thing?

            We’ve seen time and time again that Nintendo can do whatever they want with their characters, whether or not they choose to “stay true” to their original character. If they could turn a peripheral for an old console into a playable character and make it a tragic protagonist in a story mode, then anything is possible

          • HonoraryCMC

            Oh my god you ignored half of my fucking comment. I am actually getting tired of this.
            I said if they don’t have enough to go in their source material only THEN do they take liberties. Fox, Falco, and Wolf are identical in their respective games, so its likely that they made wolf a stronger but slower version of Fox only because they weren’t sure what to do with him, so just stayed with what they did for Fox and Falco. His strength was either a contrast to Falco being faster, or to reference that a wolf is a stronger species then a fox or falcon.
            Game&Watch is a reference to that entire series of games, his name is the name of the console they were on for fuck’s sake. Just like how pacman will be a reference to Namco’s history as opposed to just his own. He’s in the game because he played a large role in Nintendo’s history.
            Snake is likely more weapon and explosive based because of how poorly a stealth focused character can work in a fighting game. No to mention he is based off of MSG2′s snake which lacked the octocamo of MGS4 meaning he couldn’t just disappear, and he has CQC but they probably wanted to give him an extra punch with his attacks so they involved explosives, which he has been shown to be very proficient with.
            Mewtwo cannot be a god among smash characters because that throws balance out the fucking window. If he’s strong so he much have short comings. Not to mention his defences are actually terrible when compared to his special attack and speed in his actual stats in pokemon. That’s right, in his own source material, the GAMES, he is frail with only decent strength, good speed and great special attacks, that’s it!
            ROB was a joke character based off of a peripheral for the NES and was given moves relevant to the peripheral and to a robot.
            Once again, holy shit why do I have to keep repeating myself, if there is not enough to build a character off of they take liberties with move sets. ROB was a joke character and its likely due to how forgot he was that he was given that tragic story, its a dark joke! So where is your argument?

          • HonoraryCMC

            I’m going to retract the very last sentence. That was certainly uncalled for.

          • Green Shadow

            85% of Ness’s moves are actually Paula’s. Whereas Lucas, a sort of clone, actually has his own moves from his own game

            P.S. Ness is also the best.

            You are invalid. Bye.

          • Kaihedgie

            Didn’t know what to do with Wolf? Strange considering that in Assault, he was the fastest and strongest playable character in Assault and his winpose has him dual-wielding assault rifles and considering his occupation, that should give them more than enough incentive to make him different from Fox and Falco? He has his own personal space outpost filled to the brim with loyal minions carrying heavy firearms. There was a lot from Assault alone that they could have used for Wolf to make him perfectly distinct from his rivals.

            And yet we have Pac-Man using his own enemies as his Smash attacks. Even though we have a stage dedicated to him where they can freely appear.

            Balance wasn’t exactly the first thing that came to mind when Meta Knight entered the fray. Or Captain Falcon being amongst the fastest and hard-hitting characters yet is still middle-weight. Heck, now we have Palutena, an actual deity, in this game as a playable character as well as Rosalina, who is considered the cosmic goddess of the Mario franchise. And then we have Lucario, who literally gets stronger the more damage he receives. And Little Mac has the ability to instantly KO anyone once his personal gauge fills up.

            Stealth CAN work in a fighting game. Just look at Reptile and Arakune. Snake usually doesn’t get explosives up until the halfway/end point of the game and even then, there are very few of them.

            You ask why, but then I’m left asking why you don’t seem to question Ganondorf copying Captain Falcon, when Falcon is the one here who had to be given liberties to operate in the series. Yet Ganondorf is never given his various spells to work with.

          • HonoraryCMC

            I’m done.

            I don’t know why they did what they did with wolf, but I do know that companies WILL cut corners when they can and I guess they figured they would with wolf. I DON’T FUCKING KNOW! And again balance, Wolf can’t be superior to both Fox and Falco, he needs to balance out.

            Pac-Man uses a lot of influence from his own games yes I know, I don’t know why those are more apparent than the rest of Namco’s presence in his move set. It’s likely because Pac-Man is his OWN character while Mr. Game&Watch isn’t, he’s just a reference to the games.

            Balance is always on their minds, for all their strengths they have short comings. I don’t know why meta knight was so strong, maybe because he was hard to handle at first. FUCKED IF I KNOW!

            Captain Falcon is fast, his only really powerful attack is his falcon punch which has a ridiculous start up time, he is vulnerable during, BALANCED!
            You… are a fucking idiot. Their “role” in other games mean SHIT in smash bros. Palutena is a Goddess in Kid Icarus, she will be nothing special in Smash. She is just a new character. Same goes for Rosaline who likely will be very weak to compensate for the cannon fodder she can use to deal damage.
            Lucario’s damage only marginally increases with his damage, it is so insignificant it only becomes a noticeable increase when he can be 1-shot killed.
            Stealth does not work for those 2 though! I’ve played blazblue almost religiously and Arakune’s stealth is WORTHLESS!! I can always see him after he uses that skill and it turns off the minute something hits him. And I don’t care WHEN he gets explosives! For an E for everyone game that cannot portray guns, explosives are easier to work with, with a rating system. And yes among those few he gets all of the ones shown in smash. RPG-7, C4, land mines, mortars, grenades, smart missiles, he gets ALL OF THEM!
            Ganondorf does not have enough to build a move set on, DO NOT LOOK AT GANON! GANONDORF does NOT have enough moves of his own. Why they copied Falcon’s move set and reduced his speed in favor of power I don’t know, I personally think that one is stupid. Hopefully this time around he will draw more influence from Demise.

          • Kaihedgie

            Meta Knight in Brawl remained extremely powerful back then and now. Nothing’s really changed.

            Game&Watch actually is his own character in his own games, so no.

            Falcon Punch isn’t the only hard hitting move he has and even then, people know how to time it just right. He still has a slew of other moves like his Knee of Justice and Meteor Smash.

            You say their roles in their own games doesn’t mean anything in Smash, but then what about Mewtwo?

            Not enough moves of his own? Strange considering that teleportation and projectiles are his most common techniques. Plus there’s the trident from his Ganon form and since the Wind Waker, and especially Ocarina of Time, can dual-wield swords. Ganondorf is possession of the Triforce of Power, which should give him a massive pool of powers and abilities to draw from, even if they aren’t from the original games. After all, Link got the ability to use his own Triforce as a super attack when the powers of his piece has never been revealed.

          • HonoraryCMC

            I will give you all but Mewtwo. I don’t care anymore.
            Mewtwo’s “role” in pokemon is as a powerful legendary pokemon, that’s it. That role means nothing, since, Pikachu, pichu and jigglypuff can beat him in Melee depending on the player.
            I’m actually agreeing with you mostly for Ganondorf, I’ll admit I’m really tired and forgot about the wind waker battle. I would like to see Ganondorf completely redone to be unique.

    • ronin4life

      I don’t agree with your take on Bowser Jr, at least not how he is represented here. One would think he would take after his Sunshine appearance, which would also lend better to SB than a vehicular style anyway. Agree with Dark Pit and Duck hunt though.

      And Shulk as seen in these videos has several of Marths Animations. I can’t see this being real for a second.

      • HonoraryCMC

        I actually haven’t watched the videos. I don’t care for leaks. I’m saying as a whole Bower Jr. has enough unique traits about his character and battles to make a completely new and unique character out of. And again I meant Shulk overall, not in the videos. I can see Shulk get in to smash, that’s all I meant.

  • Ric Vazquez

    I’m hoping that Shulk being in the roster is true.

    • Dexterino

      With the vids taking down. Seems like Nintendo is on damage control at this point

  • Cephrien

    SHUUUULK!!

    This has to be real– it just HAS to be. ;_;

  • http://www.truegamerrevolution.com.br/ Bruno Magalhães

    I’m curious about Dark Pit.

  • Kaihedgie

    Oh Clown Car, how you never fail to terrify me

    • gulabjamal

      Seriously. The second I saw it I felt traumatized again. That battle frightened my childhood to its core

  • Ying

    The only way I’d believe this leak is if they announced a Smash Bros direct with reveal trailers for all 4. It would have to be 4 different trailers because these guys don’t relate to one another in any way. Shulk is the only one I can believe getting in

    • lackofstyle

      yea but remember the capt falcon and robin trailer?

      • Ying

        What about it? It showed two people from the same game being revealed alongside an old veteran. That is not the case here at all. These are 4 different characters from different franchises.

  • Samuel

    You guys did notice that Shulk moviments matches link,and that this is probally fake right?

    • Sakurazaki

      What moves are like Link? His moves look very different… The only one I see that looks similar is the spin, but that’s just one move I see. He does like 3+ other moves.

      • Guest

        He does Link spin.

    • ZeroZmm

      To me he looks more like Marth.His Up B looks the same and he has a Down B counter that also looks like Marth’s. And it kinda looks like Shulk’s buffs are summoned with Marth’s taunt.

    • ronin4life

      He matches Marth perfectly, and when he doesn’t his animations seem low quality and even lower FPS.

      This is fake.

    • AuraGuyChris

      Well, most swordsmen in this game look the same in movements…

  • Reiswindy

    Still hoping for a Bomberman announcement……(I can dream :( )

  • Dexterino

    Wasn’t it last monday that this guy released pics of the leak? Since all-star isn’t unlocked I saw posts characters such as Ridley, Mach Rider, Mewtwo and Dixie are the remaining characters.
    After all this release I’m starting to not believe it. Where are them character trailers Sakurai?
    Last week pix of roster, today are vids. Getting out of hand.

  • mckun

    Confirmed DLC?

    LOL

    Nanomachines son confirmed for DLC roster!

  • Dexterino

    There goes the leaks all taken down.

  • Kaitou21

    All the vids are down…….

  • gquain

    I only trust leaks with some kind of proof.
    This will do: http://imgur.com/a/PzeCw#s8WYgs5

    • Dascylus

      Spectator gambling… now that’s next gen shit right there.

      • http://twitter.com/#!/kaishou Kaishou

        salty bet ver smash bro

      • Heisst

        That was already in Brawl.

    • lackofstyle

      half of these pic are them looking at female trophy ass………..this is totally real! yay for shulk!

  • 하세요

    Bill and Reggie have been unleashed.

    A wild leak has appeared!
    What will Reggie do?

    Scratch
    Johns
    > Take Down
    Leer

    Activated – Copywrite (all Normal type moves are now Dragon)

    It’s super effective!

  • AuraGuyChris

    Well, I bet Nintendo is blasting heads off after noticing this.

    Suddenly, I don’t care the Japanese get the game three weeks earlier than us. :D

  • Buitronthecrazy .

    THE VIDS ARE DOWN!!!!! NINTENDO ITSELF KILLED THEM!!! THEY ARE REAL!!!

    • Manny Being Manny

      Yeah, pretty much confirmed now.

    • Kaetsu

      That doesn’t mean anything.

      • AuraGuyChris

        I don’t think so. While there are many other fake videos, they decided to take these down specifically.

        • NeptuniasBeard

          Maybe they didn’t want people handing out false info about their game?

          • AuraGuyChris

            Which they didn’t do prior taking these videos.

        • TalesOfBS

          When the fake looks pretty legit, you can’t expect them to just watch people spread fake information.

          Also i should remember you people that we are talking about Nintendo here. They are very careful (and paranoid) about everything that leaves their headquarters in Japan, specially when it comes to their games.

          What we see here could be just one of the many concept versions they could have developed before officially confirming the remaining slots.
          I think everybody should be a little more careful, specially about ruling out and confirming your favorites. Remember Sakurai’s words: “Please keep in mind though, that the games are still under development, so anything in the game footage you’re about to see could change.”

          As much as people can leak, Sakurai still can troll us too.

  • Dexterino

    With the videos taken down, pretty suspicious can mean anything at this point.

    Real or Not more characters in the game is better. Pack as many as you can. That 6 year gap between brawl and 3DS/Wii U deserves it.

  • Jettythesunfish

    Welp, they’re pretty much confirmed real now that Nintendo has played their hand.

  • Jero

    I saw it last week on /v/ and it looked pretty real but I didn’t want to believe because Lucas :/ I recall people saying the Dlc leak was just miss information.

  • mike dickson

    lol videos don’t work because copy rights from Nintendo of America sorry but this is legit if nintendo steps in to get it removed

  • NintendoPSXTheSecond

    Why?! Mario can get 7 reps no problem, Kid Icarus suddenly get’s two new reps and Fire Emblem is pushed to 4 but Zelda can’t get a God damn new rep worth shit! Wtf man, 5 Zelda characters, technically 4 because I still don’t consider Sheik a real 5th, and just no new Zelda reps. There is so much potential between Vaati, Ghirahim, Midna, hell even Fi or Groose. But nope. No one. I’m okay with this list, truly I am, I’m just super miffed everyone get’s something new in some way and Zelda get’s shafted.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RiOWnujhhPs Also there’s a remaining video.

    • PowerSerg

      Zelda doesn’t really have a 5th character that is important to the series beyond one game. I think Vaati would be a really good choice and Impa would be a perfect fit but apparently Sakurai doesn’t.

      • NintendoPSXTheSecond

        Impa could also be a choice, though knowing Sakurai she’d be a Sheik clone -_-
        Anyways, I think Zelda has a lot of character potential even if they were in only one game. I mean, look, Shulk one game. Ice Climbers one game. Pit before Uprising was just two. But eh, I guess I shouldn’t expect much from Sakurai who lives off asinine decisions.

        • PowerSerg

          They however repent a series with one game. Characters represent what a series is about or an aspect of it. Zelda is about the main three heroes, id love to get more zelda characters but yah.

    • 하세요

      Mario is the largest video game franchise of all time. It shouldn’t be that surprising. Is it fair? Not so much, but to act confused is a little over the top.

      Plus Japan don’t give a shiz about Legand of Zorldo.

      • NintendoPSXTheSecond

        That doesn’t matter. Japan doesn’t care about Little Mac but he’s here. Japan cares a TON about Takamaru even topping most wanted lists and he’s still relegated to an assist trophy. That doesn’t really matter in Smash Bros..

    • Manny Being Manny

      5 characters is a a lot for a series that Japan doesn’t really care about. Its not like its a Mario or Pokemon which Japan is crazy about.

  • Weeb

    Seriously? Dark Pit? I can’t believe palette swaps get their own slot on the roster now. Like the game didn’t have enough clones already.

  • ネオフォトン ~ Neo

    Not too pleased with the possibility of DLC, but I guess it’s also inevitable as well.

  • jugss

    I would’ve prefered Daisy over Bowser Jr. At least Shulk is in. I’m starting to hate clone characters. Wtf is that dog thing anyway? They’re saying some characters are still locked. I think it was because All-Star Mode is still locked.

    • Manny Being Manny

      “Wtf is that dog thing anyway?”

      It makes me feel old that modern gamers have no idea about the laughing dog…

      • Ali

        I literally had no clue what that dog was. Then again I haven;t had the foggiest Idea what or who Mr Game & Watch was either.

        • Shippoyasha

          You should try getting into some of those classics. They hold up surprisingly well. You might even find a Game & Watch in vintage stores.

      • Keiji Johnson

        I know right? I mean I’m 18, and even I know about the goddang laughing dog.

    • Buitronthecrazy .

      that dog is from one of the oldest games ever, duck hunt, show some respect (for the game, but not for the dog, fuck that dog!)

      • Manny Being Manny

        I actually thought he’d make a great assist trophy. He could pop up and do his snicker and knock the characters away. I never imagined he’d be a full character though.

        • Buitronthecrazy .

          but now we can beat the shit out of that freaking dog! finally! we can have our revenge!

  • Tom_Phoenix

    Personally, I’m kind of disappointed that Isaac from Golden Sun hasn’t been featured yet. I mean, he was kind of like the Shulk before Shulk showed up.

    • Prinnydoom

      All the yes for Issac.

    • Sentinel

      If Issac isn’t in, then there isn’t going to be much to remind people of Golden Sun’s existance. That’s just sad.

  • Niceneasy92

    I’m not saying it’s all fake, but the picture that shows the roster with everyone in it also has Mr. Game and Watch’s arm clipping through the character portrait next to him. So at least that one is fake.

    • Ty Austin

      That’s actually Wario’s shoulder. If you look closely, it doesn’t match up with where Game and Watch’s hand should have been if it had clipped through.

      • Serge

        https://38.media.tumblr.com/d5421bdf87f80efaefd053b37c0ab720/tumblr_navl9oSe7g1rs8m25o1_500.png

        But where are the Miis? D:

        I’m not saying everything is fake, but the full roster is clearly weird.

        • http://s1.zetaboards.com/Espada_of_Alexandria/index/ konpon568

          There is a picture of the Mii Fighters being in their own screen, apparently. But it might not be related to this “leak”.

        • Ty Austin

          Possibly not the finished select screen? Either way, the game and watch doesn’t look fake. You can tell it’s Wario’s shoulder, it even looks the same color on his opposite shoulder too.

          You can fake screenshots, but I’m not sure how you can fake gameplay video taken off screen. Not unless you somehow got a hold of a version of the game and modded it.

  • MrGlitters

    You might want to change the article title to something more spoiler free…

    • Manny Being Manny

      Fighting game rosters are spoilers?

      • Guillermo Oliva III

        Yes?…. this is unofficial announce and not only, illegal for whoever leaked this information.

  • jugss

    LoL Nintendo Direct on Friday!!!

    • AuraGuyChris

      It came from a fake Twitter account. So, it’s fake.

      • jugss

        Oh ahahahaha!!!

  • CozyAndWarm

    Kinda hoping Snake doesn’t end up in the game at all. After all the blatant snubs Kojima/Konami have made toward Nintendo systems when it comes time to release games, putting Snake in Smash is pointless and frankly really insulting.

    • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

      I agree~.

    • Sentinel

      I agree. Screw Konami.

    • Kaetsu

      Despite that I find the Snake oddly fits in with Smash very well. I would even like to see Raiden in the game.

    • http://s1.zetaboards.com/Espada_of_Alexandria/index/ konpon568

      Yes, no more Snake. We need Bomberman, instead!

      • chosen105

        Im honestly surprised Bomberman hasnt been in it yet

        • Twilleppac

          He’s owned by hudson which has been absorbed by konami last I heard.

          • http://s1.zetaboards.com/Espada_of_Alexandria/index/ konpon568

            Hudson is no longer. Konami owns all of their property now. Hence, the absorption, of course.

    • triablos

      I really liked snake in smash. I thought he fit, as much as samus fit. I know some of you guys are bitter because of kojima’s lack of releasing games on Nintendo consoles and that’s completely justified.

      • Eder García

        what’s the point on allowing a company to put one of its characters in smash after ignoring your systems? are you going to give free advertisement to games that are not in your systems? that’s not ethic

        • Guillermo Oliva III

          Get your facts before you think what is not ethic.

          • Eder García

            so promoting a game for Playstation and Xbox without getting something for WiiU in exchange is fine? smh

          • Guillermo Oliva III

            Obviously, Konami is not making good $$$ ,since they do not make huge sales like they always do around the Playstation 2, Xbox, GC era :/

        • triablos

          I meant he fit as in he didn’t seem out of place. People usually think that realistic characters don’t fit in smash Bros, where most characters are cartoony.

          And I just said that snake not being in is justified, I think you read my comment wrong.

    • Snorlaxation

      I would agree with you, but i’d also feel bad for letting characters go. I’m of the mind that more is more is better, when it comes to games like these (especially when in a series), but you’re right, it would make sense to cut him…. and his fantastic HD ass.

      • Guillermo Oliva III

        You are ridiculous to state that ,since one of the guys from nintendo is good friends with the guy from Konami. So, you are just stating an opinion of your dislike and it is really not up to your decision to think other-wise on how these two-friends do a friendly agreement with character license and such. Moreover, what is wrong with Snake’s HD ass? I can say as much about Samus’s Zero suit and I dont get bother with that because the characters body part is irrelevant ,since the core of the game is the main focus compare to the rest.

        • Snorlaxation

          Your rant sounds dumb.

          But seriously, I like Snake’s ass. It was a compliment. OBVIOUSLY. The designers did what they wanted in his design, and made him look as true to his original Solid Snake self, and those outfits are very tight. I don’t generally have a problem with it.

          But No, they aren’t irrelevant.

          Samus’s Zero suit is also revealing, but makes some sense in context. Her new space heels? no. Not really.

          And this is a place where opinions thrive, the internet, and siliconera in particular. I’m not sure how my comment confused you, but obviously it did so, and very much. Nothing about your comment even says anything about mine. Please re-read it and see how I was REGRETABLY agreeing with how it makes sense that Snake might not make it back into the new SSB, but that i’d still WANT him to.

          • Guillermo Oliva III

            You sound like a complete jerk.
            First, I an not tell on how you meant your comment ,since it has no voice expression or anything to sort out its context.
            Second, opinion are opinions ,but you should think otherwise about how other players would not mind or want Snake to join Super smash bros. again.
            Third, they can re-change the character roster or not release any of the promising characters if they wanted too ,although business-is-business….. Nintendo or any other company that allowed a character-license to be used for this mash-up fighting game is making $$$ along with the project.

          • Snorlaxation

            You’re right, I did sound like a jerk.

            Yes, you did comment on what I meant in my comment, by saying that it sounded ‘ridiculous,’ since two people from those companies are friends and whatever else, and that my comment was just based on dislike.

            Maybe I wasn’t as clear as I could’ve been about how much I appreciate Snake’s well defined ass, but considering how I described, and considering No one else has ever had trouble understanding a statement like that from ‘me’, I felt it was pretty obvious. Plus, it’s not like I actually want to lose Snake. Having more characters in a fighting game is never a bad thing (unless they suck).

            Your comment came out of nowhere, and annoyed me, and really made no sense with what I was actually saying to Someone else. But I guess it’s all just a matter of misunderstanding.

          • Guillermo Oliva III

            Its ok, I am not upset at your or have any negative feeling towards you and I just want to avoid strange arguements or any hateful manner within conversation ,but it is ok to express what you dislike…. just be cool and ease with your expression! ;)

    • Guillermo Oliva III

      Well, I understand your point of disliking to see Snake in the game ,but you are not the one making the game or deciding on the roster. So, just stick with what we get XD

  • Prinnydoom

    Either way, if it is true great, shulk and the others will make great additions (and good returns) and if this isn’t true then meh. Based on what I am seeing though………I am. thinking. this. may. be. legit.

    Only the trolly one will tell.

  • Ali

    Why on earth isn’t Ganondorf replaced with Demise? Geez, replace that clone or at the very least, give Ganondorf his own movesets.

    • AuraGuyChris

      Ganondorf is far more recognizable than a one-time villain appearance who’s basically him except in a spiritual body.

  • triablos

    My biggest issue with this is dark pit. I don’t want a palette swap to be his own character. They could’ve put Magnus in if they really wanted another Kid Icarus rep.

  • chosen105

    It would be awesome if Chrono or even some FF characters from 6 and down made the cut sense they were some of Nintendo biggest rpg’s at the time. To bad its never gonna happen though….

    • Dexterino

      It would be awesome if Goku, Sailor Moon, Shenmue, Idolm@ster, Bayonneta, Cammy, Chun-li, Ryu and Darth Vader were in. I hope you’re being sarcastic bro.

      • Guillermo Oliva III

        Nah, he is not and Nintendo could add those characters if they seek permission to be used, although that is not possible due to “Geno”.

        • Dexterino

          Sorry bout that lolz. I take back my comment. All the leak being fake got to me. (It’s real though)
          5 characters to go though Who could they be?

          • Guillermo Oliva III

            Its ok and Nintendo could add Final Fantasy, Street Fighter, Star Wars, or any other Sega characters if they asked permission to use those licenses. Over all, it is harsh to add “Geno” or any other Final Fantasy character ,since SE are being dicks about lending the license of “Geno”, therefore……. it is not easy to promise fans when something falls apart or a plan does not work out as you thought it would : /

          • Guillermo Oliva III

            Either way, I think SE should be owned by Nintendo.

      • Misty Dawson

        Uh.. Ok.. The characters the other person was referring to were from games that debuted on Nintendo consoles. Square didn’t change to playstation until WAAAAAY later, so that is definitely plausible. Just like how Snake was put in.

  • http://s1.zetaboards.com/Espada_of_Alexandria/index/ konpon568

    Apparently, the leak has been up for almost 2 months now. Only, there was no photographic and video-recorded proof about it. Until now.

    http://i.imgur.com/UYZLJTw.jpg

  • ivanchu77

    It seems this leak was made by a nintendo employee that has been already sued and fired by the company, so i guess this is definetly official and not fake

    • SaiyanJedi_Trunks

      If the rumor is true, then this person just ruined his/her life.

      Per “GoNintendo” – unconfirmed of course…

      “- Nintendo have identified the leaker
      - the leaker has been fired and is being sued.
      - he was an employee of NoA who was sending materials to the ESRB
      - the leaker still has a copy of the Smash Bros 3DS game in his possession
      - he also has one of the 3DS systems used for internal ratings”

      Either way, I’m getting the game and am not picky about the roster, but you don’t screw with confidentiality agreements. :)

      • Guillermo Oliva III

        Yeah and not only…… Nintendo company is very rich and successful. So, you do not mess up or do anything that goes strictly against their rules. Over all, this person releasing secretive surprising data is just kinda of a jerk move to do ,since this was suppose to us later :/

    • Dexterino

      Where is the statement coming from, is there a link to it? I hope its not a fake twitter acct or other outlet. Its gonna be funny for him getting sued.

  • raymk

    Yeah, I’m glad the roster was leaked. Sorry for the guy that may have lost his job, but oh well. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.

    • Ty Austin

      I wouldn’t be sorry for him/her. They knew exactly what they were doing and what would happen. Good luck with them ever getting a job with a company that requires a confidentiality agreement ever again…

    • Dexterino

      He did a good job. Taking one for the team. I salute him. Lolz

  • Dave Cain

    dark pit is such a waste of slot… he is an alternate color

    • Guillermo Oliva III

      I agree too at some terms ,although ….. we could say the same for Doctor Mario and Mario at first ,although they have different move-sets and maybe, we can expect the same from Dark Pit, can we? let us just try not to think negatively about it :)

  • Weird Al Yankovic

    All the videos are gone. Have any other videos of supposed leaks been taken down like this?

    And as someone who wants roster info asap (though I can understand why companies wouldn’t want to disclose this right away and I don’t hate them for it) I am thankful for any early news and feel bad if someone gets in trouble for it.

    Still looking for confirmation on this particular leak, though…

  • Seth Rich

    The Ice Climbers (possibly) getting cut already hurt, but Dark Pit (possibly) making it in is such a kick to the nads.

    I have a feeling he may not be a clone though. Sakurai might give him other weapons from Uprising that Pit presently doesn’t have. Still, I hate his character. He’s a jerk, he’s cliched, and all he does is brood. Also, the leaker had it coming.

  • Snorlaxation

    Damn it. Wish i’d seen the vids sooner. Oh well. I’ve always had a preference for actual approved reveals. They have more ‘oomph’. I feel kinda sorry for the guy that apparently spilled the beans and got to taste the wrath of Nintendo, but like that old saying goes, ‘You reap what you sow.’

    And really, if all the characters in Smash (Wii U and DS) are gonna be in both versions, and the DS is coming out in a couple months, what kinda Bone Head does this?? And gets caught?!

    • 하세요

      There are multiple re-uploads if you look around. And the 3DS version comes out in about 3 weeks in Japan.

      • Snorlaxation

        That only makes the actions of that person even dumber! And yeah, i figured, but I don’t think I’ll watch them. Either way, thank you.

  • ShawnOtakuSomething

    But Shulks Monado Ver 1 doesn’t hurt people

  • darryl scott

    sorry but the leak is officaly consider true.

  • RagingTiger44

    If these characters are in, I hope we still get some cool trailers for them. Sure we know they’re coming, but I’ve enjoyed watching the reveal trailers.

  • dez112

    At this point, I think this is true.

  • Dexterino

    Yeah I say it’s true too. Videos were taking from a connected screen.
    After seeing Carl and other celebs play at SDCC. Look at how the setup
    for the 3DSXL were done. So the ESRB viewer or leaker had a similar view and recorded it as such.

    Who could be the final 5 characters though?

  • Hero

    Still no Krystal from Star Fox, so I don’t care.

  • Manny Being Manny

    http://i.imgur.com/jz6fbBQ.jpg

    Tharja finally is in Smash, even if its only a trophy. I love how half the pictures there are taking pics of girl trophies from various angles

  • SetzerGabbiani

    At this point, I’m convinced the leaks are legit. Someone is in serious trouble, though…Anyway, Tharja!!

  • zferolie

    Wow, nintendo went all how showing the sexy side of their ladies

  • http://linkapics.tumblr.com/ Linka

    At least this time, he learned how to spell “Disabled”. Of course, the fact that it isn’t consistent gives me even /more/ doubt.

  • http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/mgbenz mgbenz

    That guy who did the disablad thing was a different person.

    There were 3 leakers just so you know.

  • http://linkapics.tumblr.com/ Linka

    I knew there were 3 leakers, but everyone seems to be generally taking them all as one set, so it’s hard to sort out the differentiating elements between them for me.

  • https://twitter.com/polaritymanx StarFang

    Where these pics are posted? I want the link.

    I hope the presence of a skirt angle (the reason behind Melee and Brawl).

  • Eder García

    “…premium members of Smashboards…”
    Smashboards wants every smash to be like melee or close to melee lol

  • Akemi Homura

    Not that I care much about Smashboard’s philosophies, but does that really matter here? Several users with good reputations are vouching for its legitimacy. It’s possible they’re all being duped as well, but there’s next to no chance Smashboards has a hidden agenda here.

  • Guest

    https://imgur.com/a/PzeCw There.
    Also: smpuRWq.jpg
    This better be in HD on the Wii U version.

  • TalesOfBS

    https://imgur.com/a/PzeCw There.
    Also: smpuRWq.jpg
    This better be in HD on the Wii U version.
    (goddammit Disqus, you need some spoiler tags.)

  • https://twitter.com/polaritymanx StarFang

    Thanks you kindly, checked them already.
    So good.

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