Geez, don’t tell me I’ve been wasting my time with a noob after all.

How many times do I have to say this, IT IS NOT THE SAME GAME!!! This port had many problems which the original didn’t.

Let’s see: Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Big, Amy, E-102, Eggman, Tickal, Chaos, Super Sonic, Emerald Coast, Windy Valley, Casinopolis, Ice Cap, Sky Chase, Twinkle Park, Speed Highway, Red Mountain, Sky Deck, Hot Shelter, Lost World, Final Egg, yup, looks like the same game to me. Same gameplay + same levels + same characters = same game in my book.

Wow, how desperate are you. Let me make this cystal clear, BOTH SONIC ADVENTURE GAMES RECEIVED HIGH SCORES FOR THERE GAMPLAY(as in specifically for the gameplay), that is a FACT. You say they didn’t, why exactly? You’re making facts up now , how pathetic.

And both Sonic Adventure DX and Sonic Adventure 2 Battle got bad scores and they’re the same games as their DC counterparts.

Off-topic: I love both both 3d, and 2d Sonic games, so I can enjoy both the next-gen games, and games like Sonic Rush. Hell, I even kinda liked Sonic Rival. I guess I’ll keep enjoyed the best of both worlds, and newer games, whiles all you can really enjoy is Sonic Rush…ha.

You say enjoy, I say suffer.

Uhh, riiiiight.

“Yes I did read your little comment on Sonic DX, but doesn’t matter, it’s still the same game and therefor, my comments apply. A review on a re-release is like a second review on the original game.”

How many times do I have to say this, IT IS NOT THE SAME GAME!!! This port had many problems which the original didn’t.

“it was meant to be bad in the first release and the only reason it got a good reviews at first was due to everything BUT good gameplay.

Wow, how desperate are you. Let me make this cystal clear, BOTH SONIC ADVENTURE GAMES RECEIVED HIGH SCORES FOR THERE GAMPLAY(as in specifically for the gameplay), that is a FACT. You say they didn’t, why exactly? You’re making facts up now , how pathetic.

Off-topic: I love both both 3d, and 2d Sonic games, so I can enjoy both the next-gen games, and games like Sonic Rush. Hell, I even kinda liked Sonic Rival. I guess I’ll keep enjoyed the best of both worlds, and newer games, whiles all you can really enjoy is Sonic Rush…ha.

P.S. Viva la Dreamcast!!

You lose, cheers. *awaits for importer to “rewind and playback what he previously said”, because he nothing else to base an argument on*

OK, critical rule on Internet debates, saying things like: You see, can’t win this argument. and You lose is pretty much considered an automatic defeat for the guy who posted that.

But you know what, I’m having so much fun with you that I’m willing to put that aside. Yes I did read your little comment on Sonic DX, but doesn’t matter, it’s still the same game and therefor, my comments apply. A review on a re-release is like a second review on the original game. If it sucks on the 2nd review, it was meant to be bad in the first release and the only reason it got a good reviews at first was due to everything BUT good gameplay. Point is, even if they would to re-release it again and fixed all the bug, it would still be an inferior game while a game like Majora’s Mask would still be considered a classic.

Off-topic: SEGA should just keep Sonic on the DS, at lease there, the Hedgehog can run freely in 2D.

I’ll say again, majority opinion>the importers. You see, can’t win this argument. The facts speak for themselves. So ,enough with the crap about, ohh the pretty graphics, the fact they it was the first good 3d sonic game, or that is was a launch title, was why these games are great. Because if you read some of the reviews, then you would realize that both games didn’t get great scores because of the reasons you keep telling me. Seriously read some reviews, cause if you do, you’ll see one reason why these games got high scores is BECAUSE OF THE GREAT GAMEPLAY, yes, the great gameplay(the most important thing in a game).

“I’m pretty sure you did, but just to make sure, I’ll try to hide an insult in one of my next reply to you and see if you spot it.”

Normally I would have no problem reading a wall of text, but since you wrote it…uhh…I seriously didn’t. Believe me or not, it doesn’t matter. Your last post was shorter, which is why I read it all. lol

You lose, cheers. *awaits for importer to “rewind and playback what he previously said”, because he nothing else to base an argument on*

Well that’s not very nice, I take the time to read what you wrote.

Just ask yourself, would Ocaraina of Time, which got a perfect 10 on IGN, still get a perfect score today? Of course they wouldn’t give it a perfect score again, cause standards for games have been raised. Just because a port of a 5 year old game didn’t receive good reviews, it doesn’t change the fact that the original was great for it’s time. And just because you didn’t like the 3d gameplay, it doesn’t mean it was bad, because if you look at the reviews for both of the original Adventure games, you’ll notice, they both got a $hit load of great reviews. Yes, the camera would occasionally get in the way of playing, but it wasn’t a big issue, considering IT DIDN’T really hurt the great scores they received. The camera wasn’t even a serious issue at all to ME, btw.

I don’t need to ask myself why, I know why. Let’s take GameSpot since it’s an easy site to get reviews from. They gave OOT a perfect 10 back in in 98′ when it came out on the N64. The Wii version in 2007 (over 8 years later) got an 8.9. This makes a big difference when comparing Sonic Adv. for two reasons:

1- Going from 100% to 89% is still a very good score. Going from 92% to 57% (both scores from GameSpot) is a good sign that perhaps the game was just a hype.

2-Although the Dreamcast died before the Cube came out, both of these systems are from the same generation. Sonic Adventure DX got ported to the Cube less than 4 years after it’s Dreamcast release and got this degrading score. OOT on the other hand got ported 2 generations later (over 8 years later) and still got a decent score.

I’m not even sure why you brought up Sonic Adventure DX up, since it was a 5yo port, and the game has problems which the Dreamcast version DIDN’T. ex. slowdown(in both gameplay and cutscense), and other glitches. Those problems don’t surprise me though, since they ported the original Sonic Adventure game engine to the gamecube.

OOT is pretty much the same on the Wii minus the rumble, still, GameSpot didn’t give it such a low grade.

All in all, both of those games are great, and the overwhelming majority of reviews, and gamers disagree with you opinion. So it should be pretty obvious to you(if not read all the endless positive reviews) that Sonic in 3d DOES WORK, extremely well….whether you accept it or not. I.E. majority opinion>the importers opinion.

Guess I need to rewind and playback what I previously said

-Launch Title
-First official Sonic game since the 16bit days
-The Graphics were unlike no one had seen (back then)

Add these 3 facts and you got yourself a good score. The same way a classic movie is still good to watch even 20+ years later (Back to the Future), a classic game should still be as good as it was back when it came out (Sonic 1). I’m playing Power Stone on my Dreamcast (it’s on pause), a game I haven’t played since 2001. You know what, 6 years later, it’s still a freaking good game. I didn’t even bother buying Sonic Adv. because I know that I would have ended regretting spending $5 on it. I bought it back in the days because it was Sonic, but even back then, the game annoyed me. The only good memories I have of this games is the soundtrack, specially the E-102 tune.

I’m not going read everything you typed, simply cause I don’t need to.

I’m pretty sure you did, but just to make sure, I’ll try to hide an insult in one of my next reply to you and see if you spot it.

I’m sticking by everything I’ve said. I’m also of afraid that you’ll end up ranting like you did in that manhunt blog from yesterday. lol

Who was ranting, all that stuff came from the heart. Hell, Sonic Adventure is like the game of the year compare to these POS.

Sonic Adventure DX (4 years later): 63% on Game Ranking http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/589413.asp?q=Sonic%20Adventure%20dx

Now how can this be, it’s the same game, a great classic never dies! The answer, it was never meant to be a classic, it was a hype and the reasons I gave you in my previous reply pretty much tells you why.

Also, no, it’s not because Sonic went 3D that it’s bad, most games made a goods transition into the 3rd dimension, it’s because the formula no longer works. When playing the old 2D Sonic, do you ever recall running real fast and dying because you couldn’t see the hole or cliff in front of you because of bad camera angles? I sure don’t. What about dying at a boss because an object that was suppose to be behind you is blocking your view?”

I stopped reading after that. Just ask yourself, would Ocaraina of Time, which got a perfect 10 on IGN, still get a perfect score today? Of course they wouldn’t give it a perfect score again, cause standards for games have been raised. Just because a port of a 5 year old game didn’t receive good reviews, it doesn’t change the fact that the original was great for it’s time. And just because you didn’t like the 3d gameplay, it doesn’t mean it was bad, because if you look at the reviews for both of the original Adventure games, you’ll notice, they both got a $hit load of great reviews. Yes, the camera would occasionally get in the way of playing, but it wasn’t a big issue, considering IT DIDN’T really hurt the great scores they received. The camera wasn’t even a serious issue at all to ME, btw.

I’m not even sure why you brought up Sonic Adventure DX up, since it was a 5yo port, and the game has problems which the Dreamcast version DIDN’T. ex. slowdown(in both gameplay and cutscense), and other glitches. Those problems don’t surprise me though, since they ported the original Sonic Adventure game engine to the gamecube.

All in all, both of those games are great, and the overwhelming majority of reviews, and gamers disagree with you opinion. So it should be pretty obvious to you(if not read all the endless positive reviews) that Sonic in 3d DOES WORK, extremely well….whether you accept it or not. I.E. majority opinion>the importers opinion.

I’m not going read everything you typed, simply cause I don’t need to. I’m sticking by everything I’ve said. I’m also of afraid that you’ll end up ranting like you did in that manhunt blog from yesterday. lol

Cheers

Secret Rings could’ve been perfect if not for Sonic running on his own and can’t seem to back up. Until I got the “upgrades” and control down, the first 15 mins in the tutorial frustrated me to no end. Well, I’m excited about this Sonic RPG if it’s like what Square did w/ Mario.