Comments on: Izuna 2 is less frustrating than Shiren, but still a good challenge http://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/ The secret level in the world of video game news. Tue, 06 Dec 2011 01:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: John H.http://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-530006 John H. Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:52:50 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/#comment-530006 The thing about roguelikes that people continually misunderstand is that frustration is supposed to be part of the game.Roguelike games, in their purest form, are not games you <i>expect</i> to win. They're games you play for the sake of playing, and if you win then hey, you must be pretty good. Most RPGs these days have lost that aspect, especially since they more prominently feature stories that the player might feel cheated if he doesn't see to completion.Because of this, Shiren is easily a much better game than either Izuna. (And it's not actually -that- hard, not its main quest anyway, although the game will quite readily punish for mistakes.) The thing about roguelikes that people continually misunderstand is that frustration is supposed to be part of the game.

Roguelike games, in their purest form, are not games you expect to win. They’re games you play for the sake of playing, and if you win then hey, you must be pretty good. Most RPGs these days have lost that aspect, especially since they more prominently feature stories that the player might feel cheated if he doesn’t see to completion.

Because of this, Shiren is easily a much better game than either Izuna. (And it’s not actually -that- hard, not its main quest anyway, although the game will quite readily punish for mistakes.)

]]> By: John H.http://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-692376 John H. Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:52:00 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/#comment-692376 The thing about roguelikes that people continually misunderstand is that frustration is supposed to be part of the game.Roguelike games, in their purest form, are not games you <i>expect</i> to win. They're games you play for the sake of playing, and if you win then hey, you must be pretty good. Most RPGs these days have lost that aspect, especially since they more prominently feature stories that the player might feel cheated if he doesn't see to completion.Because of this, Shiren is easily a much better game than either Izuna. (And it's not actually -that- hard, not its main quest anyway, although the game will quite readily punish for mistakes.) The thing about roguelikes that people continually misunderstand is that frustration is supposed to be part of the game.

Roguelike games, in their purest form, are not games you expect to win. They’re games you play for the sake of playing, and if you win then hey, you must be pretty good. Most RPGs these days have lost that aspect, especially since they more prominently feature stories that the player might feel cheated if he doesn’t see to completion.

Because of this, Shiren is easily a much better game than either Izuna. (And it’s not actually -that- hard, not its main quest anyway, although the game will quite readily punish for mistakes.)

]]> By: John H.http://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-692377 John H. Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:52:00 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/#comment-692377 The thing about roguelikes that people continually misunderstand is that frustration is supposed to be part of the game.Roguelike games, in their purest form, are not games you <i>expect</i> to win. They're games you play for the sake of playing, and if you win then hey, you must be pretty good. Most RPGs these days have lost that aspect, especially since they more prominently feature stories that the player might feel cheated if he doesn't see to completion.Because of this, Shiren is easily a much better game than either Izuna. (And it's not actually -that- hard, not its main quest anyway, although the game will quite readily punish for mistakes.) The thing about roguelikes that people continually misunderstand is that frustration is supposed to be part of the game.

Roguelike games, in their purest form, are not games you expect to win. They’re games you play for the sake of playing, and if you win then hey, you must be pretty good. Most RPGs these days have lost that aspect, especially since they more prominently feature stories that the player might feel cheated if he doesn’t see to completion.

Because of this, Shiren is easily a much better game than either Izuna. (And it’s not actually -that- hard, not its main quest anyway, although the game will quite readily punish for mistakes.)

]]> By: Louisehttp://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-527157 Louise Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:41:02 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/#comment-527157 @jeffx: The screenshot isn't from my game. Either the person who produced the screenshot is REALLY good, or maybe they went through the beginning of the game and unlocked everyone while playing another character. As for me, Izuna is currently my strongest. @jeffx: The screenshot isn’t from my game. Either the person who produced the screenshot is REALLY good, or maybe they went through the beginning of the game and unlocked everyone while playing another character. As for me, Izuna is currently my strongest.

]]> By: Louisehttp://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-692372 Louise Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:41:00 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/#comment-692372 @jeffx: The screenshot isn't from my game. Either the person who produced the screenshot is REALLY good, or maybe they went through the beginning of the game and unlocked everyone while playing another character. As for me, Izuna is currently my strongest. @jeffx: The screenshot isn’t from my game. Either the person who produced the screenshot is REALLY good, or maybe they went through the beginning of the game and unlocked everyone while playing another character. As for me, Izuna is currently my strongest.

]]> By: Louisehttp://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-692373 Louise Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:41:00 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/#comment-692373 @jeffx: The screenshot isn't from my game. Either the person who produced the screenshot is REALLY good, or maybe they went through the beginning of the game and unlocked everyone while playing another character. As for me, Izuna is currently my strongest. @jeffx: The screenshot isn’t from my game. Either the person who produced the screenshot is REALLY good, or maybe they went through the beginning of the game and unlocked everyone while playing another character. As for me, Izuna is currently my strongest.

]]> By: Pichihttp://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-525604 Pichi Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:16:30 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/#comment-525604 Will buy it when I can! Love Izuna! ^o^ Will buy it when I can! Love Izuna! ^o^

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-692374 Anonymous Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:16:00 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/#comment-692374 Will buy it when I can! Love Izuna! ^o^ Will buy it when I can! Love Izuna! ^o^

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-692375 Anonymous Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:16:00 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/#comment-692375 Will buy it when I can! Love Izuna! ^o^ Will buy it when I can! Love Izuna! ^o^

]]> By: EvilAkitohttp://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-525540 EvilAkito Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:04:34 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/#comment-525540 I still haven't beaten the 7th dungeon in the original. I have Izuna at level 99, but things still get pretty brutal on the upper floors. I'll probably jump right into Izuna 2 soon though. I still haven’t beaten the 7th dungeon in the original. I have Izuna at level 99, but things still get pretty brutal on the upper floors. I’ll probably jump right into Izuna 2 soon though.

]]> By: EvilAkitohttp://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-692370 EvilAkito Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:04:00 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/#comment-692370 I still haven't beaten the 7th dungeon in the original. I have Izuna at level 99, but things still get pretty brutal on the upper floors. I'll probably jump right into Izuna 2 soon though. I still haven’t beaten the 7th dungeon in the original. I have Izuna at level 99, but things still get pretty brutal on the upper floors. I’ll probably jump right into Izuna 2 soon though.

]]> By: EvilAkitohttp://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-692371 EvilAkito Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:04:00 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/#comment-692371 I still haven't beaten the 7th dungeon in the original. I have Izuna at level 99, but things still get pretty brutal on the upper floors. I'll probably jump right into Izuna 2 soon though. I still haven’t beaten the 7th dungeon in the original. I have Izuna at level 99, but things still get pretty brutal on the upper floors. I’ll probably jump right into Izuna 2 soon though.

]]> By: jeffxhttp://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-525536 jeffx Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:00:14 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/#comment-525536 This is indeed an excellent game and I can't praise Atlus enough for localizing it. Hardcore roguelike fans like to scoff at the level grinding in this series... but they don't have to play it! Also the story and setting are definitely charming. Finally how did you unlock all these characters with Izuna still at level 10? This is indeed an excellent game and I can’t praise Atlus enough for localizing it. Hardcore roguelike fans like to scoff at the level grinding in this series… but they don’t have to play it! Also the story and setting are definitely charming. Finally how did you unlock all these characters with Izuna still at level 10?

]]> By: jeffxhttp://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-692368 jeffx Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:00:00 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/#comment-692368 This is indeed an excellent game and I can't praise Atlus enough for localizing it. Hardcore roguelike fans like to scoff at the level grinding in this series... but they don't have to play it! Also the story and setting are definitely charming. Finally how did you unlock all these characters with Izuna still at level 10? This is indeed an excellent game and I can’t praise Atlus enough for localizing it. Hardcore roguelike fans like to scoff at the level grinding in this series… but they don’t have to play it! Also the story and setting are definitely charming. Finally how did you unlock all these characters with Izuna still at level 10?

]]> By: jeffxhttp://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-692369 jeffx Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:00:00 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/2008/08/06/izuna-2-is-less-frustrating-than-shiren-but-still-a-good-challenge/#comment-692369 This is indeed an excellent game and I can't praise Atlus enough for localizing it. Hardcore roguelike fans like to scoff at the level grinding in this series... but they don't have to play it! Also the story and setting are definitely charming. Finally how did you unlock all these characters with Izuna still at level 10? This is indeed an excellent game and I can’t praise Atlus enough for localizing it. Hardcore roguelike fans like to scoff at the level grinding in this series… but they don’t have to play it! Also the story and setting are definitely charming. Finally how did you unlock all these characters with Izuna still at level 10?

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