Discovered another WiFi map! It’s like a soccer field. It’s small, flat with no differentiation in terrain elevation, and is severely broken due to FTA(first turn advantage).

Current count of WiFi maps, a Castle one, Stump one, Harbor one, and Soccer one. Only Castle one seems playable. Harbor one maybe, but I would need to see it again.

EDIT

Finally saw last map. It’s like a circle donut plaza in the sky with a hole in the center, all around with differentiated yet similar and awfully close elevations.

And WOW, just realized each map has a name.
Castle one: Colosseum of Courage
Stump one: Colosseum of Wisdom
Harbor one: Colosseum of Technic
Field one: Colosseum of Luck
Sky one: Colosseum of Power

Seems like Colosseums of Wisdom and Luck are most broken, and only Colosseums of Courage and Power are balanced. Colosseum of Technic is debatable, for there’s fta in the center, but everyone else is in their separate corners so no severe fta; plus a stalemate from the chokey-ness can take a bloodly long time to complete the match.

All of them are certainly playable for casual matches, but for a tourny, but Colosseum of Courage is the most ideal map. If we’re too lazy (WHICH WE SHOULDN’T BE) to restart the match, Colosseums of Technic and Power are plausible but still have their faults. Colosseums of Wisdom and Luck are out of the question.

To be fair to all and have consistent results, I’d recommend having all matches being played only on Colosseums of Courage and Power.

Discovered another WiFi map! It’s like a soccer field. It’s small, flat with no differentiation in terrain elevation, and is severely broken due to FTA(first turn advantage).

Current count of WiFi maps, a Castle one, Stump one, Harbor one, and Soccer one. Only Castle one seems playable. Harbor one maybe, but I would need to see it again.

EDIT

Finally saw last map. It’s like a circle donut plaza in the sky with a hole in the center, all around with differentiated yet similar and awfully close elevations.

And WOW, just realized each map has a name.
Castle one: Colosseum of Courage
Stump one: Colosseum of Wisdom
Harbor one: Colosseum of Technic
Field one: Colosseum of Luck
Sky one: Colosseum of Power

Seems like Colosseums of Wisdom and Luck are most broken, and only Colosseums of Courage and Power are balanced. Colosseum of Technic is debatable, for there’s fta in the center, but everyone else is in their separate corners so no severe fta; plus a stalemate from the chokey-ness can take a bloodly long time to complete the match.

All of them are certainly playable for casual matches, but for a tourny, but Colosseum of Courage is the most ideal map. If we’re too lazy (WHICH WE SHOULDN’T BE) to restart the match, Colosseums of Technic and Power are plausible but still have their faults. Colosseums of Wisdom and Luck are out of the question.

To be fair to all and have consistent results, I’d recommend having all matches being played only on Colosseums of Courage and Power.

Also, we have to send you an email with our character levels, and the deadline is tomorrow. However, I plan to get my characters closer to 45 before the matches start (if I’m lucky enough to win). Is this OK?

Also, we have to send you an email with our character levels, and the deadline is tomorrow. However, I plan to get my characters closer to 45 before the matches start (if I’m lucky enough to win). Is this OK?

My Posts on pages 3 and 4(http://www.atlus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2428)

I think damage damage items should be banned, such as squib, bomb, flare bomb, grenade, dynamite, AND ESPECIALLY MANA MATERIAL. They are extremely broken and involve no strategy on the player whatsoever. If you don’t ban these, at least ban Mana Material, dealing 1000 dmg + 5 square AOE.

I think DrivePill, DriveSoda, AND ESPECIALLY DRIVE-MAX should be banned as well. A LVL 3 FD can demolish any unit or severely cripple them, without any effort or strategy on the player’s part.

All healing HP, MP, and status’ and causing various status’ items are fine. But the damage items and restoring DP levels are severely broken.

Some of the WiFi maps are slightly broken as well. I have only played on two of them(out of a number I don’t know) which were the castle one with a river in the middle (symmetrical) and another mountainous map where P1 had the higher ground. Because P2 had the lower ground, if 2 Fatimas were within each other’s Freeze Dusts, only P1′s spell would reach because of the height difference and P2′s spell would not be able to hit. Maps are decided upon randomly even with friend codes, and competitors should restart until the randomizer chooses a non-broken map.

Some of the WiFi maps are slightly broken as well. I have only played on two of them(out of a number I don’t know) which were the castle one with a river in the middle (symmetrical) and another mountainous map where P1 had the higher ground. Because P2 had the lower ground, if 2 Fatimas were within each other’s Freeze Dusts, only P1′s spell would reach because of the height difference and P2′s spell would not be able to hit. Maps are decided upon randomly even with friend codes, and competitors should restart until the randomizer chooses a non-broken map.

No limits/bans on equipment/lapis.

As far as the honesty thing goes, a simple picture of the victory screen can confirm the outcome of a match. ‘Victory’ only stays on screen for a few seconds and then it switches to what you won, and a picture of the items you won can also determine if you won. Winners tend to get high quality equipment/lapis, while the loser receives lowly lapis, equipment, and items.

Yes the game changes with these items (NOT lapis, all lapis/equips are fine), but for the worst. Case: pick the 6 characters with the highest AO + AO lapis + equipped with 2 Mana Material EACH. You can end the match before your opponent even gets to make a turn.

At level 45, most characters don’t even clear 1000 HP (and if they do, barely) without HP lapis, making mana material insta-OHKO. And what of the poor souls who don’t have HP lapis?

I’m not complaining; I can get all the Mana Material and Drive Maxes I want lol, but it sucks for everyone else. Trying to be non-partisan.

Yes, turn based strats like these should involve some strategy in equipping what equips/lapis and what not, but most of the strategy should come from gameplay. No strategy if a player doesn’t even get a chance to move. And I didn’t even touch on FTA yet lol. With one 1st turn you can already be winning with 6 chars to 5, and even worse depending on who you mana material’d and AO.

Played on another wifi map that was like a harbor with water everywhere. Quite choky. Teams split up in opposite corners. Map count: 3 so far? 1 castle map with slight fta, 1 mountainous map with terrain/height flaw, 1 choky harbor-ey one. All relatively symetrical.

You underestimate the power of Level 3 FDs. An Ayano with 349 ATK can deal 1498 dmg to Hero X from the front (2nd last guild quest) who has 245 DEF . Most chars at lvl 45 will have DEF < 245 and HP Mana Material, and/or awfully close to each other. Unless of course, you want us to invest in DEF lapis as well as your HP lapis. I chose Ayano because she can hit any witch (usually from any angle and if they bunch up to protect from hitting from behind the 3 range is nice), and if you don’t know why… shame on you.

Of course this all situational as it is conceivable that Roland or any other melee char can take down Ayano before she reaches her target, but Ayano can out run and go around anyone. And if there’s a very chokey point leading to a giant stalemate (like one of my WiFi matches on the castle map), spam the item and everyone has their LVL 3 FDs.

CanuckGamer: On the subjects of maps, I think the castle is the only real fair map.
It is the most open and does not force either side to make bad moves.
The harbor has too many choke points, if you don’t have someone like Sadie and Evil Undead Cat Pillow you can hold a line forever. And the forest is just borked.

All in all, FD MAX and Mana Material = broken and should be banned from a hopefully balanced and fair tourny.
(+ stump forrest map and if we’re really picky, harbor map as well)

Sorry, kind of a long read, but it really grinds my gears seeing a tournament go underway with the possibility of being exploited, broken, and simply unfair.

Thanks.
TheMute

My Posts on pages 3 and 4(http://www.atlus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2428)

I think damage damage items should be banned, such as squib, bomb, flare bomb, grenade, dynamite, AND ESPECIALLY MANA MATERIAL. They are extremely broken and involve no strategy on the player whatsoever. If you don’t ban these, at least ban Mana Material, dealing 1000 dmg + 5 square AOE.

I think DrivePill, DriveSoda, AND ESPECIALLY DRIVE-MAX should be banned as well. A LVL 3 FD can demolish any unit or severely cripple them, without any effort or strategy on the player’s part.

All healing HP, MP, and status’ and causing various status’ items are fine. But the damage items and restoring DP levels are severely broken.

Some of the WiFi maps are slightly broken as well. I have only played on two of them(out of a number I don’t know) which were the castle one with a river in the middle (symmetrical) and another mountainous map where P1 had the higher ground. Because P2 had the lower ground, if 2 Fatimas were within each other’s Freeze Dusts, only P1′s spell would reach because of the height difference and P2′s spell would not be able to hit. Maps are decided upon randomly even with friend codes, and competitors should restart until the randomizer chooses a non-broken map.

Some of the WiFi maps are slightly broken as well. I have only played on two of them(out of a number I don’t know) which were the castle one with a river in the middle (symmetrical) and another mountainous map where P1 had the higher ground. Because P2 had the lower ground, if 2 Fatimas were within each other’s Freeze Dusts, only P1′s spell would reach because of the height difference and P2′s spell would not be able to hit. Maps are decided upon randomly even with friend codes, and competitors should restart until the randomizer chooses a non-broken map.

No limits/bans on equipment/lapis.

As far as the honesty thing goes, a simple picture of the victory screen can confirm the outcome of a match. ‘Victory’ only stays on screen for a few seconds and then it switches to what you won, and a picture of the items you won can also determine if you won. Winners tend to get high quality equipment/lapis, while the loser receives lowly lapis, equipment, and items.

Yes the game changes with these items (NOT lapis, all lapis/equips are fine), but for the worst. Case: pick the 6 characters with the highest AO + AO lapis + equipped with 2 Mana Material EACH. You can end the match before your opponent even gets to make a turn.

At level 45, most characters don’t even clear 1000 HP (and if they do, barely) without HP lapis, making mana material insta-OHKO. And what of the poor souls who don’t have HP lapis?

I’m not complaining; I can get all the Mana Material and Drive Maxes I want lol, but it sucks for everyone else. Trying to be non-partisan.

Yes, turn based strats like these should involve some strategy in equipping what equips/lapis and what not, but most of the strategy should come from gameplay. No strategy if a player doesn’t even get a chance to move. And I didn’t even touch on FTA yet lol. With one 1st turn you can already be winning with 6 chars to 5, and even worse depending on who you mana material’d and AO.

Played on another wifi map that was like a harbor with water everywhere. Quite choky. Teams split up in opposite corners. Map count: 3 so far? 1 castle map with slight fta, 1 mountainous map with terrain/height flaw, 1 choky harbor-ey one. All relatively symetrical.

You underestimate the power of Level 3 FDs. An Ayano with 349 ATK can deal 1498 dmg to Hero X from the front (2nd last guild quest) who has 245 DEF . Most chars at lvl 45 will have DEF < 245 and HP Mana Material, and/or awfully close to each other. Unless of course, you want us to invest in DEF lapis as well as your HP lapis. I chose Ayano because she can hit any witch (usually from any angle and if they bunch up to protect from hitting from behind the 3 range is nice), and if you don’t know why… shame on you.

Of course this all situational as it is conceivable that Roland or any other melee char can take down Ayano before she reaches her target, but Ayano can out run and go around anyone. And if there’s a very chokey point leading to a giant stalemate (like one of my WiFi matches on the castle map), spam the item and everyone has their LVL 3 FDs.

CanuckGamer: On the subjects of maps, I think the castle is the only real fair map.
It is the most open and does not force either side to make bad moves.
The harbor has too many choke points, if you don’t have someone like Sadie and Evil Undead Cat Pillow you can hold a line forever. And the forest is just borked.

All in all, FD MAX and Mana Material = broken and should be banned from a hopefully balanced and fair tourny.
(+ stump forrest map and if we’re really picky, harbor map as well)

Sorry, kind of a long read, but it really grinds my gears seeing a tournament go underway with the possibility of being exploited, broken, and simply unfair.

Thanks.
TheMute

Also, the official tourney is online, correct?

Damn, I love this site.

Also, the official tourney is online, correct?

Damn, I love this site.