Comments on: No More Heroes Charging Up For PlayStation 3 And Xbox 360 Release (Update: Scans) http://www.siliconera.com/2009/11/17/no-more-heroes-charging-up-for-playstation-3-and-xbox-360-release/ The secret level in the world of video game news. Tue, 06 Dec 2011 01:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Mr_Qoohttp://www.siliconera.com/2009/11/17/no-more-heroes-charging-up-for-playstation-3-and-xbox-360-release/comment-page-1/#comment-618481 Mr_Qoo Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:17:31 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/?p=52208#comment-618481 You're completely right. Very few other games have incorporated the motion controls well. Even some of the games built from the ground up with Wii in mind. I actually dislike most games with the wiimote. I used the Gamecube controller for Muramasa (don't know how the wiimote works, but never bothered) and SSBB. Most people I've met hate on the Wii for various reasons. "Gamecube in a next gen box... Non-HD graphics... Non-Hardcore gaming..." yadda yadda. Ew, a DMC game on the Wii? I just don't think a combo heavy system (fighting game or action game) would be worth the learning curve other than novelty! I've learned certain fighting games on a Fishing Controller, Flight Stick, or One handed controller for simple laughs. It would feel no different trying to play something like, say... Guilty Gear Accent Core on the wiimote in my eyes. Some games should just be left to arcade sticks (and regular D-pads for some people, I guess :P). I do think NMH will play out nicely but I really enjoyed performing moves with the wiimote and answering the phone. Hey, it's the little things that make a difference. I wish we could merge the 360 and Wii version into one game somehow with the wiimote usable. You're completely right. Very few other games have incorporated the motion controls well. Even some of the games built from the ground up with Wii in mind. I actually dislike most games with the wiimote. I used the Gamecube controller for Muramasa (don't know how the wiimote works, but never bothered) and SSBB. Most people I've met hate on the Wii for various reasons. “Gamecube in a next gen box… Non-HD graphics… Non-Hardcore gaming…” yadda yadda. Ew, a DMC game on the Wii? I just don't think a combo heavy system (fighting game or action game) would be worth the learning curve other than novelty! I've learned certain fighting games on a Fishing Controller, Flight Stick, or One handed controller for simple laughs. It would feel no different trying to play something like, say… Guilty Gear Accent Core on the wiimote in my eyes. Some games should just be left to arcade sticks (and regular D-pads for some people, I guess :P). I do think NMH will play out nicely but I really enjoyed performing moves with the wiimote and answering the phone. Hey, it's the little things that make a difference. I wish we could merge the 360 and Wii version into one game somehow with the wiimote usable.

]]> By: Mr_Qoohttp://www.siliconera.com/2009/11/17/no-more-heroes-charging-up-for-playstation-3-and-xbox-360-release/comment-page-1/#comment-586921 Mr_Qoo Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:17:31 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/?p=52208#comment-586921 You're completely right. Very few other games have incorporated the motion controls well. Even some of the games built from the ground up with Wii in mind. I actually dislike most games with the wiimote. I used the Gamecube controller for Muramasa (don't know how the wiimote works, but never bothered) and SSBB. Most people I've met hate on the Wii for various reasons. "Gamecube in a next gen box... Non-HD graphics... Non-Hardcore gaming..." yadda yadda. Ew, a DMC game on the Wii? I just don't think a combo heavy system (fighting game or action game) would be worth the learning curve other than novelty! I've learned certain fighting games on a Fishing Controller, Flight Stick, or One handed controller for simple laughs. It would feel no different trying to play something like, say... Guilty Gear Accent Core on the wiimote in my eyes. Some games should just be left to arcade sticks (and regular D-pads for some people, I guess :P). I do think NMH will play out nicely but I really enjoyed performing moves with the wiimote and answering the phone. Hey, it's the little things that make a difference. I wish we could merge the 360 and Wii version into one game somehow with the wiimote usable. You're completely right. Very few other games have incorporated the motion controls well. Even some of the games built from the ground up with Wii in mind. I actually dislike most games with the wiimote. I used the Gamecube controller for Muramasa (don't know how the wiimote works, but never bothered) and SSBB. Most people I've met hate on the Wii for various reasons. “Gamecube in a next gen box… Non-HD graphics… Non-Hardcore gaming…” yadda yadda. Ew, a DMC game on the Wii? I just don't think a combo heavy system (fighting game or action game) would be worth the learning curve other than novelty! I've learned certain fighting games on a Fishing Controller, Flight Stick, or One handed controller for simple laughs. It would feel no different trying to play something like, say… Guilty Gear Accent Core on the wiimote in my eyes. Some games should just be left to arcade sticks (and regular D-pads for some people, I guess :P). I do think NMH will play out nicely but I really enjoyed performing moves with the wiimote and answering the phone. Hey, it's the little things that make a difference. I wish we could merge the 360 and Wii version into one game somehow with the wiimote usable.

]]> By: lostinbluehttp://www.siliconera.com/2009/11/17/no-more-heroes-charging-up-for-playstation-3-and-xbox-360-release/comment-page-1/#comment-586833 lostinblue Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:29:37 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/?p=52208#comment-586833 I can't advise you more to try the Wii controls. I don't think I would have enjoyed No More Heroes half as much if it was bound to a classic controller.<br><br>With that said, it's a Suda game, for those without a Wii... please do get it on whatever platform you can. I can't advise you more to try the Wii controls. I don't think I would have enjoyed No More Heroes half as much if it was bound to a classic controller.

With that said, it's a Suda game, for those without a Wii… please do get it on whatever platform you can.

]]> By: Chris Taranhttp://www.siliconera.com/2009/11/17/no-more-heroes-charging-up-for-playstation-3-and-xbox-360-release/comment-page-1/#comment-586818 Chris Taran Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:10:40 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/?p=52208#comment-586818 I mainly bought No More Heroes for the Wii due to Ishaan constantly telling me how great it was. It's not that I didn't play it because I decided I hated it already, had more to do with "I have like 20 other games in my backlog to get to first." So, I would have eventually played it on the Wii had this HD version never been announced. And I may still at least give it a try just to see what the difference is. If it's enjoyment is as dependent on the Wii controls as you say it is, then perhaps I really should try it that way first. I mainly bought No More Heroes for the Wii due to Ishaan constantly telling me how great it was. It's not that I didn't play it because I decided I hated it already, had more to do with “I have like 20 other games in my backlog to get to first.” So, I would have eventually played it on the Wii had this HD version never been announced. And I may still at least give it a try just to see what the difference is. If it's enjoyment is as dependent on the Wii controls as you say it is, then perhaps I really should try it that way first.

]]> By: lostinbluehttp://www.siliconera.com/2009/11/17/no-more-heroes-charging-up-for-playstation-3-and-xbox-360-release/comment-page-1/#comment-586814 lostinblue Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:42:04 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/?p=52208#comment-586814 I agree with you and can't argue regarding Resident Evil 4 coming out improved regarding gameplay, but few other games actually did; because most ports just force actions that were previously done by buttons... to motions. that's not the right way to go around it and probably the reason our friend here hates the wiimote in the first place.<br><br>It can be done, but they have to rethink the controls for it, not just remap them; and of course, some of them aren't very doable at all, I mean I can't imagine a Devil May Cry type of game being satisfying with a wiimote, just like I see this one suffering on classic controllers. With that said... I think No More Heroes on the HD's will be a good game, but regarding gameplay it'll loose all that made it so different and fun. I agree with you and can't argue regarding Resident Evil 4 coming out improved regarding gameplay, but few other games actually did; because most ports just force actions that were previously done by buttons… to motions. that's not the right way to go around it and probably the reason our friend here hates the wiimote in the first place.

It can be done, but they have to rethink the controls for it, not just remap them; and of course, some of them aren't very doable at all, I mean I can't imagine a Devil May Cry type of game being satisfying with a wiimote, just like I see this one suffering on classic controllers. With that said… I think No More Heroes on the HD's will be a good game, but regarding gameplay it'll loose all that made it so different and fun.

]]> By: lostinbluehttp://www.siliconera.com/2009/11/17/no-more-heroes-charging-up-for-playstation-3-and-xbox-360-release/comment-page-1/#comment-586815 lostinblue Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:35:16 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/?p=52208#comment-586815 You should like games for what they are.<br><br>There's lots of games that shouldn't be forced into motion controlled ones, YES. But there's games made specifically for them. This is one of those cases, seeing you purchased it, have a wii and are saying "hurray, now I don't have to play it on it" leaves me pretty much without words, of course you won't like it if you have already decided you HATE it, but thing is... why not giving things a chance?<br><br>I only play portable consoles at home and while I'm a "home console" gamer at heart that doesn't mean I buy them and keep them in a shrinkwrap... I buy them because I want to play them in the first place, I couldn't give a bigger damn about the system they're on.<br><br>Quite the oposite, I greatly appreciate the greater deal of liberty developers have with the portables for the simple fact they're cheaper to develop for; and of course, I'm very thankful to them for keeping 2D alive. You should like games for what they are.

There's lots of games that shouldn't be forced into motion controlled ones, YES. But there's games made specifically for them. This is one of those cases, seeing you purchased it, have a wii and are saying “hurray, now I don't have to play it on it” leaves me pretty much without words, of course you won't like it if you have already decided you HATE it, but thing is… why not giving things a chance?

I only play portable consoles at home and while I'm a “home console” gamer at heart that doesn't mean I buy them and keep them in a shrinkwrap… I buy them because I want to play them in the first place, I couldn't give a bigger damn about the system they're on.

Quite the oposite, I greatly appreciate the greater deal of liberty developers have with the portables for the simple fact they're cheaper to develop for; and of course, I'm very thankful to them for keeping 2D alive.

]]> By: Mr_Qoohttp://www.siliconera.com/2009/11/17/no-more-heroes-charging-up-for-playstation-3-and-xbox-360-release/comment-page-1/#comment-586813 Mr_Qoo Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:29:37 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/?p=52208#comment-586813 I dunno. I'd have to disagree there. I enjoyed the controls on NMH quite a bit. I have a 45/47" TV (I forget), and I also happen to enjoy the handhelds, even if I have a long drive to work. Just have to play them on my off times. It's just nice to have the to-go option available. <br><br>Heck, in reference to lostinblue, I don't even feel like a game has to be built from the ground up with the Wii in mind to end up being innovative and great! See Resident Evil 4 Wii! I loved it and beat it another 4 times after I already crushed the GC version repeatedly. I dunno. I'd have to disagree there. I enjoyed the controls on NMH quite a bit. I have a 45/47″ TV (I forget), and I also happen to enjoy the handhelds, even if I have a long drive to work. Just have to play them on my off times. It's just nice to have the to-go option available.

Heck, in reference to lostinblue, I don't even feel like a game has to be built from the ground up with the Wii in mind to end up being innovative and great! See Resident Evil 4 Wii! I loved it and beat it another 4 times after I already crushed the GC version repeatedly.

]]> By: Chris Taranhttp://www.siliconera.com/2009/11/17/no-more-heroes-charging-up-for-playstation-3-and-xbox-360-release/comment-page-1/#comment-586802 Chris Taran Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:06:53 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/?p=52208#comment-586802 I "hate" the Wii (way too harsh a word) because I like high definition graphics and traditional controllers. That's really all it boils down too. It's almost the exact same reason I "hate" portable games. I don't want to play games on a 4 inch screen. I want to play it on my 42inch TV. And I drive to work, so it's not like I have some public transportation commute to kill time with on the DS or PSP. I “hate” the Wii (way too harsh a word) because I like high definition graphics and traditional controllers. That's really all it boils down too. It's almost the exact same reason I “hate” portable games. I don't want to play games on a 4 inch screen. I want to play it on my 42inch TV. And I drive to work, so it's not like I have some public transportation commute to kill time with on the DS or PSP.

]]> By: lostinbluehttp://www.siliconera.com/2009/11/17/no-more-heroes-charging-up-for-playstation-3-and-xbox-360-release/comment-page-1/#comment-586801 lostinblue Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:22:12 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/?p=52208#comment-586801 You don't know what you've been missing... And since you'll be playing with a regular controller... you won't know.<br><br>I don't get the Wii hate, I don't think I ever will... I mean to the point of buying games and thanking god for the fact now you won't have to play them on it when the gameplay was concieved from the ground for it? jeez. You don't know what you've been missing… And since you'll be playing with a regular controller… you won't know.

I don't get the Wii hate, I don't think I ever will… I mean to the point of buying games and thanking god for the fact now you won't have to play them on it when the gameplay was concieved from the ground for it? jeez.

]]> By: lostinbluehttp://www.siliconera.com/2009/11/17/no-more-heroes-charging-up-for-playstation-3-and-xbox-360-release/comment-page-1/#comment-586800 lostinblue Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:17:15 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/?p=52208#comment-586800 The experience will be different. that's for sure.<br><br>I'm sure Suda51 still thinks the same way, but it's a step to make the game available to more people they shouldn't pass out on, IMO. Shame it rarely happens backwards (with Wii owners getting to dip on proper ports, with proper budget for it) but hey, I think it's a good port choice from a business standpoint (not because the Wii version bombed, but done because it sold well and because they want to make a franchise out of it), even if I think playing it with a classic controller is similar to the thought of playing devil may cry with a wiimote. The experience will be different. that's for sure.

I'm sure Suda51 still thinks the same way, but it's a step to make the game available to more people they shouldn't pass out on, IMO. Shame it rarely happens backwards (with Wii owners getting to dip on proper ports, with proper budget for it) but hey, I think it's a good port choice from a business standpoint (not because the Wii version bombed, but done because it sold well and because they want to make a franchise out of it), even if I think playing it with a classic controller is similar to the thought of playing devil may cry with a wiimote.

]]> By: lostinbluehttp://www.siliconera.com/2009/11/17/no-more-heroes-charging-up-for-playstation-3-and-xbox-360-release/comment-page-1/#comment-586799 lostinblue Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:14:30 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/?p=52208#comment-586799 not around the corner, the glow stick is slated for summer, and natal is slated for christmas next year. they'll take their time. not around the corner, the glow stick is slated for summer, and natal is slated for christmas next year. they'll take their time.

]]> By: lostinbluehttp://www.siliconera.com/2009/11/17/no-more-heroes-charging-up-for-playstation-3-and-xbox-360-release/comment-page-1/#comment-586798 lostinblue Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:13:34 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/?p=52208#comment-586798 The Muramasa developers have said multiple times that they weren't interested in doing a HD version/port. Even if it was the most obvious one to port.<br><br>Also, perhaps this is one of the so called "tests"? No More Heroes 2 will probably follow, but other than that... dunno.<br><br>They should try doing cross platform in the future, but other than that I really don't want them leaving the Wii when it comes to new games, and seeing that they realize the reason they failed on the Wii (lack of new IP recognition) then the HD platforms should be even riskier. Cross platform by comparison could be the sweet spot, but by cross platform I mean cross platform with the Wii. The Muramasa developers have said multiple times that they weren't interested in doing a HD version/port. Even if it was the most obvious one to port.

Also, perhaps this is one of the so called “tests”? No More Heroes 2 will probably follow, but other than that… dunno.

They should try doing cross platform in the future, but other than that I really don't want them leaving the Wii when it comes to new games, and seeing that they realize the reason they failed on the Wii (lack of new IP recognition) then the HD platforms should be even riskier. Cross platform by comparison could be the sweet spot, but by cross platform I mean cross platform with the Wii.

]]> By: lostinbluehttp://www.siliconera.com/2009/11/17/no-more-heroes-charging-up-for-playstation-3-and-xbox-360-release/comment-page-1/#comment-586786 lostinblue Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:35:16 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/?p=52208#comment-586786 I sure hope they do continue to support the Wii. I sure hope they do continue to support the Wii.

]]> By: kupomoglihttp://www.siliconera.com/2009/11/17/no-more-heroes-charging-up-for-playstation-3-and-xbox-360-release/comment-page-1/#comment-586678 kupomogli Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:54:07 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/?p=52208#comment-586678 No More Waggle No More Waggle

]]> By: Doctor_Rabbithttp://www.siliconera.com/2009/11/17/no-more-heroes-charging-up-for-playstation-3-and-xbox-360-release/comment-page-1/#comment-586670 Doctor_Rabbit Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:10:04 +0000 http://www.siliconera.com/?p=52208#comment-586670 ...And the working out mini-games, and the baseball, and...<br>I'm not too sure about this new version. I love the original, but I'm not a huge fan of buying games twice. Good that they're getting this out to a new audience, though. …And the working out mini-games, and the baseball, and…
I'm not too sure about this new version. I love the original, but I'm not a huge fan of buying games twice. Good that they're getting this out to a new audience, though.

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