Tales Of Graces F Heading To PlayStation 3

You're right, I'm sorry for that omission.

Portables are more popular now in Japan than home console's, and Dragon Quest IX clearly broke a wall of developer acceptance/resistance for putting a flagship title on a underpowered handheld, if they're smart I actually see lots of RPG flagship titles actually migrating to portables in 1/2 hardware generations, even because the technical gap should shrink a little.

I don't prefer it, since I'm a home console guy… but hell, I can't ignore it.

I think due to that though, DS turned out to be the best nintendo platform ever, even better than SNES in that regard. Ten years from now I could still be playing RPG's I hadn't had the time to do so before, the backcatalog is just so big. On the PSP… while I know what you said, I mostly play ports. (the disgaea ones and now persona 3)

Oh no. You dislike my post. I am not sure I can go on. Your opinion means that much to me. lol

I dislike the fact you insist on points that disregard what I'm really saying.

Everyone here has platform preferences, yes; you and me, and I don't attack you for being a pro-ps3 guy; but I wasn't saying what I was due to them, as said above, I'm not against the port, so this is all besides the point.

Now, there's ports and ports, and let me argue that yet another port with enhanced content on PS3 might not be wise on the sense that, for now every game released on another platform will be expected on the PS3 one year from then, in a directors cut form, meaning they might be killing sales on other platforms by making this the norm (even if they're obliged to, by sony's extra's policy). That might work against them, but other than that a port is a port, and YES, I'm not against it in anyway, and if this was coming out of japan I'd be at least happy for you guys, even if I think ours should come too. (I don't see how is this hypocrite)

If you want to go on with one liners… go on, but I ask you to not misinterpret what I'm saying when I'm trying to make a point, or try to take credibility from what I'm defending with petty points.

Hmmm, exclusive PSP ones (taking square-enix attempts aside) seem to be more like escort titles for home console ones to me, or simply experiments next to the full fledged RPG's that are being released elsewhere.

I mean, this week DS got radiate historia from a team of outcasts from radiata stories… and what are we talking about in the psp side of the fence? a Ogre battle remake and Phantom brave.

It's fine, but it's still not quite as good, IMO.

I agree the PSP is getting more spotlight now, on a regular basis, even because the 3rd birtday looks awesome, and still has high profile stuff like ffxiii agito coming, which is a confidence meter to other developers on the fact it's not gonna be thrown away overnight, they still have time on that market until it colapses… at least until FFXIII agito releases.

But it's still too little too late. It has no chance of trumphing the DS line-up at this point.

I can explain Bamco bringing out Magna Carta 2, though I can't offer hard proof (as no one admits to this stuff), Magna Carta is a direct result of all the “deals” MS made with Namco for the 360 (Vesperia, Ace Combat, Dream Club). MS wanted to expand its user base with the 360, not just in other regions but within NA as well, thus for the sake of Japanese sales and American sales of popular Japanese games MS aggressively went after publishers like Namco, Sqeenix, and Konami. Now of course everyone can see that, what most don't see is how that translated to other titles.

We all know MS paid boatloads of cash to get some of these games exclusively on 360, but they did not just hand out cash and walk out the door. These cash dowries came with a contract, the contracts basically stated that with this money you not only agree to give us (insert game) for a specified period of time but you will also publish some of our own first party funded games under your name. Here is the only proof anyone will ever see, MS got Tales of Vesperia & Ace Combat, but as part of that deal Bamco had to publish Magna Carta II, which was originally funded and to be brought out by MS games studios. Don”t buy it? Square-Enix signed a deal that gave 360 Star Ocean 4 & The Last Remnant (S-E got the best of that deal huh?) and in exchange S-E published Infinite Undiscovery for MS (Tri-Ace confirmed this). Now Konami, they signed a deal to make the next Metal Gear day and date with the PS3 release and exclusive US marketing for the 360 version, as part of that deal Konami published Ninety Nine Nights 2 for MS.

Not true, Namco said “no plans” for Eternal Sonata on PS3 but that was just during the 360 exclusivity period. I had direct confirmation from a Namco employee that Eternal Sonata was releasing on PS3 a good 8 months before the reveal. That same employee says with regard to these new titles “no plans” so I think they really mean it this time. Namco has shifted their business model to be even stupider then the one they used previously. Honestly I think they should just close down US operation for a few years, clean out the Management running US/EU and collectively pull their head out of their ass. They don't even have PS1 classics up on the PSN (not even in JP yet), these are very, very stupid people we are dealing with.

Bingo, Namco had plans to release Eternal Sonata,Tales of Vesperia (for 360) and Symphonia 2 right from the start, and openly stated that fact. Knowing that they are doing nothing right now is more then worrying.

I honestly don't care, I'm always going to buy Sony's next PlayStation so thats fine by me as long as we get the games right? Honestly I think if we want these titles we need to ask Sony. Why? Because they need their fans more then ever, and seem to listen to them too. Does anyone here really think Sega decided to bring Yakuza 3 (and now 4) over because they genuinely thought it was a good idea? Or is it because Sony was hounded on the PS blog repeatedly over the last 2 years with 'Bring out Yakuza 3″? I swear it was mentioned at least once in every post on the blog and eventually things hit home. I would bet Sony worked with Sega to bring the series back over and look how fast Sony admitted that 3D Dot Heroes was coming.

That would work for me too. But I'm afraid there's not much demand for this stuff. MS did it because they wanted to grow in the japanese market, while Sony doesn't really need to. And Yakuza is apparently much more successful than Tales right now…

Nah, I did say pretend. I still hate them and likely always will, I have hated them since the PS1 when even then their releases were dodgy. Its only recently that they have put the final nails in the coffin for me, it began with the real Tales of Destiny 2, then Tales of Rebirth, then Tekken 4 (sucked), then SoulCalibur 3, then no PS1 classics, then SoulCalibur 4(double suck!), no Tales of Rebirth on PSP, Tekken 6 (sucked again, its like they try to make bad games, lol) and now this mess. I would not even have Tales of Eternia on PSP if Namco EU did not localize it. Thats just the Namco half of it, don't even get me started on Bandai and their lack of blu-ray anime releases.

Pretty much, you only forgot:

1b.) To fluster the garbage game on Wii further, announce a main one, made by the team who made the original game to whose the garbage game is a sequel with recycled assets and tout it as “THE NEXT GAME FROM TEAM SYMPHONIA”, put that title on the FPS nest console that sells as much on a weekly base in Japan as the more-than-undead wonderswan in Japan

1c.) Watch it crash and burn, be sure to bring popcorn

3b.) But it's okay because it's timed exclusive and now we have a reason to… port the “good”, Team Symphonia HD game to PS3. *happy dance*

3c.) But don't release it outside Japan! Let the poor PS3 owners outside burn

4b.) Post losses on the subsidiary Tales Studio in your year report, try to give the impression you're going through bad times to justify whatever stupid move you do next, including stuff like not releasing the last 5 Tales of games outside Japan after Dawn of the New World selling good for what it is, and Vesperia selling more than Tales of the Abyss despite being in the worse platform for RPG's it can be.

7.) Don't localize BOTH, despite outcries from communities all over the world who'd love to give your company their money.

It's like the sonic cycle, except even stupider.

I would seem that way now, but a year and a half back it sure didn't. I agree that while PS3/360 share some of the RPG's the PS3 version has extras that 360 does not (in most cases). I was glad I held off on buying SO4, and Eternal Sonata because the PS3 ver. ended up with more content. Though with Vesperia I read the writing on the wall and picked up the collectors ed. while Amazon still stocked it and I'm glad too because we still have not seen the “full” version release here.

You're missing a few, whereas in PS3 you're missing none important; including ones I wouldn't purchase; and some that weren't released outside japan and it's unlikely that they will) in short, that's sort of a inflated list in itself.

Chocobo's Dungeon is a nice mysterious dungeon game, albeit with presentation value flaws at times (the sound sync with dialogue) it's endearing and has nice graphics, shiren 3 is the best mysterious dungeon game this gen, Final Fantasy IV The After is only available on Wiiware as is My Life as a King and Little King Story is awesome.

Phantom Brave Wii and Sakura Wars V are ports but are worthy to be mentioned and if you mentioned Disgaea you have to count Fire Emblem, the king of “serious” SRPG's. And if you're into mysterious dungeon games, there's also Baroque.

Lastly but not least: Opoona is a game by artepiazza the guys whoose throughout their whole carrer only did Dragon Quest. The guys that did DQIII and DQVII and were involved in the DS remakes. The result is a game that looks and fels Dragon Quest but was slammed by the reviews because it lacks the name. It's a great game, albeit light hearted next to a DQ.

Monster Hunter 3.

(I am not including Harvest Moons, Valhalla Knights, western RPG's that feel like JRPG's like Spectrobes and Monster Lab, upcoming games or games that were left in Japan such as Zangeki, Takt of Magic or Bonds of gold)

I also don't know for sure if I consider 3D Dot Heroes to be a RPG, it's more like old zelda to me.

There's lot of good games who were absent from your list on the Wii field. For the record though, I don't think either console is “RPG heavy” they're both merely ok.

I'll say that Wii RPG's so far interest me more than PS3 ones though, I have ToV for the X360 so I think namco is stupid for not bringing it over but I'm not hurt by it; ToG and the new Tales probably won't come, but if they do… Graces is also on the Wii and I count they release it as well. so that's one game… And other than that, I have a soft spot for Demon Souls, Valkyria Chronicles, 3D Dot Heroes (even though I don't think that's an RPG), disgaea III and perhaps Ar Tonelico 3.

Anyone else catch Bamco's latest goof? Check out this post from their facebook page:

To all Tales fans! We are ecstatic to see all of your responses. Thanks for your loyalty and passion towards the game. Unfortunately we do not have any plans to localize the series at this time. We’ll be sure to let you know if there are any changes to the plans. Thanks again for your support.

notice how its say “no plans to localize the SERIES” after much fan hate ans nasty messages the post was removed, very concerning to say the least that they would official state something like that regarding an entire series. Looks like Tales fans really are doomed T T