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How To Make Moe Style Games With Kagura Producer Kenichiro Takaki

By Spencer . January 5, 2012 . 5:04pm

How To Make Moe Style Games With Kagura Producer Kenichiro Takaki

Yesterday, Kenichiro Takaki tried to explain what moe is and liked the concept, much to my surprise, Mortal Kombat. Our discussion continues today where Takaki-san talks about designing moe games and hints that his next project is a "serious" game.

 

Since you’re a big moe fan that’s why you enjoy making games like Kagura.

 

Kenichiro Takaki, Producer: Yeah, and that’s the kind of game that can only be made in Japan.

 

True, but I think the beat ‘em up feel has universal appeal. Are you still trying to bring this game overseas? Have you talked with other companies about licensing Senran Kagura?

 

If we can bring it out overseas, we will do it. But, things like moe and the cultural appeal and fetishes between Japan and America are different in many ways. If we brought it out we may have to make some adjustments so it has broader appeal. I know that’s not what your readers want to hear, though.

 

How To Make Moe Style Games With Kagura Producer Kenichiro Takaki 

Before Senran Kagura and moe ninjas, you worked on the Ikki Tousen beat ‘em ups. What other setting would you like to add the moe element to?

 

If I had the budget, I’d like to make a game with really muscular characters who tear each other’s clothes off.

 

So, this clothes tearing game, where would it be set?

 

Probably in a school because moe works best with places that are familiar to you.

 

With Kagura and Half-Minute Hero finished, can you tell us what you’re working on now?

 

I can’t tell you! [Laughs.]

 

How about a hint then?

 

I make it a point to have two projects going at the same time. One of them is a more serious kind of undertaking like Half-Minute Hero and the other is a moe style game. You can guess from there!

 

How To Make Moe Style Games With Kagura Producer Kenichiro Takaki

 

Let’s say one day, moe just wasn’t popular in Japan anymore. What would you want to do? What other style would you like to try for your second project?

 

In that situation, I would want to make a FPS. I think it’s really hard to do, though.

 

Would you want to make a moe FPS?

 

Yeah, with squirt guns and you aim at their chests. [Laughs.]

 

That sounds like a future PlayStation Move title. Do you think moe fans are going after the 3DS? The only other title that screams moe is Sega’s Hatsune Miku game.

 

Since there are no other moe games for 3DS, they probably don’t have 3DS yet, but Kagura might change that. 3DS is already popular with hardcore fans playing Street Fighter and so forth. Those are the kinds of people who, when they get bored of beating each other up, they want to look at boobs. [Laughs.]

 

How did you work with the CERO rating board to make sure Senran Kagura didn’t cross any lines?

 

In Japan, you won’t get a CERO Z rating because of something sexual. You just won’t be able to release it. Something like a sex scene won’t be accepted. There was nothing I had to remove to avoid a "zed" rating and since you can’t show exposed boobs you have to adjust the angle so it’s suggestive, but not explicit.

 

You have tricks for doing that?

 

[Laughs and pulls out Senran Kagura's art book from the limited edition.] So, this is where she has panties on, but from this angle it looks like she doesn’t. This is another moe point or keyword. She really does have panties on! You just can’t see them.

 

How To Make Moe Style Games With Kagura Producer Kenichiro Takaki

 

How do you think the moe trend is affecting the game industry? It feels like the number of moe games are increasing every year.

 

The number of moe games are indeed increasing every year. Even in Japan, we don’t necessarily have a large user base, but the fans are very passionate so they’ll buy moe games. This game [Kagura] is a moe game, but it’s a solid game on its own too. If you can see the panties or underboob, Japanese fans will say "take my money!"

 

It’s something I’m very serious about, so I want to make serious game with moe.

 

You’re a serious Xbox fan too. [Takaki mentioned his high Gamerscore earlier. I can't remember the exact number, but it's over 80,000]

 

Yeah, I love it!

 

How do you think the Xbox 360 can grow in Japan?

 

It’s really the titles. There are characteristics in the market that limit what kind of games will be successful in Japan. The 360 needs more of those types of games.

 

The moe games you’re making for Japan, but the serious games you’re making for the world. So for Microsoft K.K. should they make serious games or more moe games?

 

I think it’s possible to expand their market share if they have both. That way they would keep core fans and add new ones with less serious stuff.

 

Speaking of serious games, Half-Minute Hero Second… will Xseed bring it overseas too?

 

I know they were interested in it, but I don’t know if anything has been confirmed with them. You probably have to ask them about it again!


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  • http://myfigurecollection.net/collection/DrakosAmatras DrakosAmatras

    “If I had the budget, I’d like to make a game with really muscular characters who tear each other’s clothes off.”

    ……Sure, why not. Lord knows I’ve been pining for a beat-’em-up equivalent of Chō Aniki

  • aoihana

    I don’t know what Takaki’s next games are, but I hope that one of them is a Senran Kagura sequel, I’d love that!  (ღ˘⌣˘ღ)

    How about a hint then?

    I make it a point to have two projects going at the same time. One of them is a more serious kind of undertaking like Half-Minute Hero and the other is a moe style game. You can guess from there!

    It might just be realized! .:*・°☆ O(≧∇≦)O .:*・°☆

    Would you want to make a moe FPS? 

    Yeah, with squirt guns and you aim at their chests. [Laughs.]

    。:゚(。ノω\。)゚・。

    This man is a genius! ♡^▽^♡

  • Lexaus_the_Alchemist

    ["If we can bring it out overseas, we will do it. But, things like moe and the cultural appeal and fetishes between Japan and America are different in many ways. If we brought it out we may have to make some adjustments so it has broader appeal. I know that’s not what your readers want to hear, though."]

    Adjustments? Like what, smaller breast sizes and less “Boing”? If that’s the case, don’t bother. I hate “reductions”. =(

    ["In that situation, I would want to make a FPS. I think it’s really hard to do, though."]

    A moe FPS? I thought Gal Gun had that covered?

    ["The number of moe games are indeed increasing every year. Even in Japan, we don’t necessarily have a large user base, but the fans are very passionate so they’ll buy moe games. This game [Kagura] is a moe game, but it’s a solid game on its own too. If you can see the panties or underboob, Japanese fans will say “take my money!”]

    I like how they think. Underboob is very money worthy indeed.

    ["In Japan, you won’t get a CERO Z rating because of something sexual. You just won’t be able to release it. Something like a sex scene won’t be accepted. There was nothing I had to remove to avoid a "zed" rating and since you can’t show exposed boobs you have to adjust the angle so it’s suggestive, but not explicit."]

    Well it seems the ESRB has it all wrong. Anything close to sexual (visual, not verbal or suggestive) nets you close to a Mature rating, but violence that isn’t realistic (with blood or gore) can still get a Teen rating. Rating boards are pretty weird at what can and can’t be accepted.

    • http://twitter.com/Cudgeon Raji

      Rating boards aren’t weird, if you consider that the US is a country where 14 year olds can walk arround with guns but don’t get to see tits legally until they are 21.
      So the country is weird.

      • Lexaus_the_Alchemist

        That’s what I meant by them being weird. It boggles the mind to think that a pair of tits or a bare ass gets people in a tizzy and calling for mass bans and “oh, think of the children” stuff, but that doesn’t apply when pictures of violence or death are kinda not even bothered with (to a degree).

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000301072427 Mark Shaver

      Galgun is an onrails shooter, not an fps.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001559914929 Timothy Solis

        No, it’s first person, and you shoot at things. It most certainly is an FPS. An on rails one, but it’s definitely one nonetheless.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000301072427 Mark Shaver

          That’s like saying Mario galaxy is a 3rd person shooter because of what you do with the Wii-mote.

          • http://myfigurecollection.net/collection/DrakosAmatras DrakosAmatras

            The Wiimote function kinda is, by definition. It’s added as a supplement to the 3rd-person action components, but the function’s presence is not dominant enough to call the game a 3PS.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001559914929 Timothy Solis

            No it’s not. The entirety of this game is in first person, and you shoot things. It’s not just an added concept on the game, or something tacked on. It is the game itself.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001559914929 Timothy Solis


      Adjustments? Like what, smaller breast sizes”
      Sounds like a plan :)

  • Solomon_Kano

    “If I had the budget, I’d like to make a game with really muscular characters who tear each other’s clothes off.”

    I have absolutely zero interest in moe, but how would that even work? Wouldn’t muscularity cancel out it being moe? lol

    • brian yep

      They could be amazons.
      Or maybe it could be a Cho Aniki game.
      He mentioned that moe can be about something like a gun.
      I thought it was interesting he mentioned making an FPS.
      I’ve been thinking it’d be cool if someone made something similar to Gears/God of War but with moe schoolgirls and possibly (yuri?) dating sim elements.

      • Solomon_Kano

        I’d have no interest in something like that, but it’d certainly be new ground for shooters.

        • RupanIII

          This post branch gave me an idea. How about a hyper-masculine FPS/Gears style game that starts out all hardcore/bloody/bulging muscles. Then, the focus begins to shift. You see more shots of the space marines back at the ship locker room after a long day of killing things, more of that vulnerable new recruit who doesn’t have the stomach for this work. Gradually, it turns into a yaoi/dating sim type deal.

          … what, no takers? Okay, I wouldn’t want to play it either lol, but it’d make for good satire.

          • Solomon_Kano

            Haha. I need that to happen. Someone should make a parody of the genre. But it needs to been done MGS2 style where you don’t know what you’re really getting til you buy it lol. That’d be hilarious.

    • Göran Isacson

      Well, the guy IS a fan of Mortal Kombat…

  • http://twitter.com/InfinityAge11 InfinityAge11

    This interview disgusts me.
    But being a female with some self respect I guess I’m inclined to be since I’m obviously not the target audience for this bullcrap.

    • Mr_SP

      Yeah, I don’t see much appeal here, either… Though it’s more that I don’t understand how tearing clothes is moe. Tearing clothes is sexy. Cute, innocent, girls is moe. Cute girls beating up people, or cute girls getting their clothes torn off, is not moe. In my opinion, this game is totally riding on sex appeal, and while there *is* a place for sex appeal, it’s not on my handheld gaming device.

    • http://gloopyeegra.wordpress.com/ Arla

      Apparently you want Hakuouki, which is the just another fan service game but aimed at females. So….yea.

      • Ladius

        I understand your point, but I think this comparison is off, honestly. Hakuoki surely is an otome game, and obviously its bishounen characters were created to appeal a female audience, but still they are conveyed in a very different way compared to SK’s females, and the game has actually a lot of interesting standpoints, from its historical setting (of course mixed with fantasy elements) to the apparently good writing.

        Maybe I’m the only straight male to think this, but at the moment I’m far more interested in Hakuoki than SK. Nothing against SK, it’s just that a trip to the Bakumatsu age is too interesting to pass.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001559914929 Timothy Solis

          And what has you believing that this game DOESN’T have good writing nor deep gameplay? SK has A LOT more to add to the table than ‘moe’. That’s just the marketing point of it. Too many people think as soon as something has ‘moe’ it’s suddenly got zero depth, and is just a bunch of fan-service.

        • Solomon_Kano

          You’re certainly not the only one, but I guess we’re a minority.

      • http://twitter.com/InfinityAge11 InfinityAge11

        I don’t see how pretty guys with zero ero related material (as far as I know) is comparable to a game about underboob, panties, and tearing clothes off of girls. The focus of Hakuouki has nothing to do with getting to see their panties or breasts in a male equivalent. So….yeah.

        • SH3

          Yeah, because a game only full of various (one for every taste) flawless pretty guys showing off their bare chests while looking at you seductivly is not every fangirl’s wet dream. The only thing missing now is some Yaoi.

          If I were an angry masculist I would tell you how you are a misandrist for playing such games and that it disgusts me. But I’m not, so please don’t be the angry feminist.

          Sure, Senran Kagura’s fanservice might be a lot more in your face due to being targeted at the male audience while Hakuoki’s is quite a bit more subtle but don’t pretend it’s not there.

          In the end it all boils down to general differences between male fanservice and female fanservice.

    • http://twitter.com/drachenmeister Chloe

      Being a female with self respect, this interview doesn’t bother me at all.

    • aoihana

      Honestly, I have the utmost self respect, and in every shape and form that I try to look at it, I fail to see how this could disgust you. 

      Whether you’re the target audience or not is irrelevant. If you’re in any way shape or form offended by this, please remember that it’s a video game. Treat it as such, in other words, with a grain of salt.

      I understand if you don’t see the appeal, a lot of people don’t, but I don’t see how you can find it disgusting.

      • http://twitter.com/InfinityAge11 InfinityAge11

         A game about tearing girl’s clothes off and joking about making a game about squirting girl’s chests with squirt guns disgusts me. It honestly blows my mind that it wouldn’t disgust you in some shape or form. And I really don’t see how me feeling that way about it would be difficult to understand.

        I know its a video game and whatnot, but I can still say at least one thing about how I don’t care for it at all. You won’t find me on tons of other sites going on and on like a psycho.

        • aoihana

          It’s not so much that I find it difficult to understand how you feel, but rather why you feel that way.

          I understand that you feel females are being degraded, and you don’t like the way they are represented, but like I said, it’s a video game. Yes, even though you acknowledge it, then why do you feel so strongly about it? It’s trivial, really.

          It honestly blows my mind that it wouldn’t disgust you in some shape or form.

          This isn’t limited to Senran Kagura, we see this in tons of other video games, movies, anime, tv, manga, etc., so it’s nothing new. It’s a work of fiction. As such, I don’t let it get to me.

          Like I said, it’s great that you don’t care for it, but don’t let it get to you.

    • http://orangtunes.blogspot.com BIG MAC

      What if the gender changed in this article? You wouldn’t play a fps about squirting hot guys in the chest? Because that would be amazing.

      • Chippel

        Wet ‘n’ Wild Bara FPS time!

    • Hinataharem

      Relax. Senran Kagura only degrades cartoon women ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000301072427 Mark Shaver

    That doesn’t sound like Moe, it sounds like softcore porn.

  • Luna Kazemaru

    This moe?

  • http://gloopyeegra.wordpress.com/ Arla

    No offense but this interview was pretty terrible, both parts. The moe topic seems to have gone downhill pretty fast. Maybe it was lost in translation or something. Either that or he doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about.

    Anyways, I really don’t care in the end. I just wanna play Senran Kagura.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001559914929 Timothy Solis

    Those ‘changes’ would NOT be welcome I assure you. If you were to lolify them, well, that WOULD be welcome ;D But I’m pretty sure that’s not what we’re talking about here.

    Tip : Commercial Censorship (or whatever the term is) only alienates the fans.
    -OthersMoe most certainly describes much of what he’s talking about, yet moe has many other applications as well. Thinking otherwise is just hiding from the truth 

    Honestly, NISA/Aksys have been awesome in bringing over games with this sort of content, so I’m sure they’d be willing to bring it over without changes, and could find a nice market for it as well ;)

    • http://twitter.com/matty_125 matty

      I’m actually curious how it would be handled if it were to be brought over, especially the “changes” he mentioned. At this point, I really doubt this game will ever get brought outside Japan (reality has jaded me, man!). If they did release the game with snippets cut out, I would take that. However, if he was mentioning doing an overhaul like what Konami did with “Beat’n Groovy”, then… yikes. 
      At least with the former approach you keep the same appeal. 
      Or, go about it in the same approach as Elite Beat Agents, but we all know how well that sold…

  • AzureNova

    I love this man lol.

  • Suicunesol

    Thanks. I appreciate the interview. Takaki-san seems to really know his stuff when it comes to circumventing the ratings board, but I find it a little bit strange that the interview was about “moe” but it kept coming back to torn clothing, panties, and boobs. It doesn’t need to be sexual to be moe, Takaki-san (though the two often go together.)

  • http://twitter.com/KeionKirby HoshiKirby

    This interview can’t be this moe

  • Gatchaman1

    Okay okay okay …I see you asked him the question. :P

  • kuro_chan666

    Moe~
    Senran Kagura’s great though. Really love it, since it’s the first 3DS game I bought. Never got disappointed in it.

  • majorhavok

    I think I’m the only one who treats Senran Kagura like somewhat to the vein of exploitative cinema such as Cannibal Holocaust. As in, it is understandable why people dislike the material, and it is especially understandable to dislike that image of people using the matter as gratification or justification of themselves, but it is also possible to be entertained not by the exploitation itself but by the absurdity of the situation it presents. With that said, there’s all this noise on the subject matter but how fun is the actual game? I mean this is supposed to be an action game.

    Also, I’m fairly sure “moe” doesn’t mean anything. They just keep using it to troll foreigners trying to figure out what it means.

    • kuro_chan666

      the term “moe” does have a meaning known to pretty much everyone. It’s even known from what it was born, so everything’s alright.
      And Senran Kagura is a pretty much good, fun game, except some won’t like it, since it isn’t their “beloved” CoD or something like that. But that’s okay, since it doesn’t bother me. Let the sheeps wander in the darkness forever, and one day they will just die without finding the light.

      • majorhavok

        I don’t know, sounds like it does bother you if you have a specific need to call out that series and you’re calling people sheeps wandering in the darkness.

        Tell you what, I’ll bite. Why should I like Senran Kagura over Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3? Furthermore, why is liking one exclusive to the other?

  • XypherCode

    I’m really liking this guy lol :D

  • http://amc9988.deviantart.com/ amc99

    Lol This guy is really open minded I like him!!
    But for me moe is something more like cute, and innocent girl that do cute things. But hey, everyone has different opinion on what moe is!

  • Syltique

    This guy is hilarious.  I honestly can’t get a straight answer from any of the questions you asked, but he makes the whole thing fun anyway just by force of personality alone.  Also, I would definitely buy Senran Kagura and Half Minute Hero 2.

  • Apache_Chief

    This interview put me in a good mood. The comments had the opposite effect.

  • http://twitter.com/shiro_shishi Brennan

    I think the word Moe lost all meaning.

    that being said, I love this man. He’s amazing.

  • Göran Isacson

    On the one hand- nothing I see of Senran Kagura interests me. It’s gameplay looks very mindless and lazy, it’s story looks lame and cliche, and the concept of ripping girls clothes off is baffling and a little suspect. The internet, my good man. It’s got all the naked girls I could ever drea moff, for far cheaper than your game that just teases with the PROSPECT of naked anime boobs.

    But I’ll be honest- this guy’s shamelessness is a breath of fresh air in a business where interviews are often painfully stiff and say NOTHING whatsoever about what kind of person the developer is. While I sometimes think I can glimpse the slight hints of all this just being a really polished persona he’s adopting, most of the time he strikes me as genuinely giving no f-ks in how he comes across and I will never not be a sucker for that type of person.

    So, yes. Takaki-san, I will not buy your game because I’m not in the habit of rewarding poor taste. But I will give you this- you’re entertaining to listen to.

  • http://twitter.com/Vertic90 Vertic90

    “I know they were interested in it, but I don’t know if anything has been
    confirmed with them. You probably have to ask them about it again!”

    Do it XSEED! Its a criminal offense to leave Half-Minute Hero Second in Japan.

  • cj_iwakura

    He’s certainly candid, that’s for sure. Can’t say he’s hiding his feelings on the subject. More developers could take a cue. 

  • Michael Vincent

    “Would you want to make a moe FPS?
     
    Yeah, with squirt guns and you aim at their chests. [Laughs.]”

    I think he must have been thinking of saying “boobs” again at that point. XD

     lol. What an interview. very candid, honest, and direct to the point. ^^

  • http://twitter.com/matty_125 matty

    Oh, man. Did anyone else’s heart kind of race when you read that he was pulling out something? 
    Props to the both of yous! Not even a full week into the year, but this is already the most memorable interview of 2012.

  • PrinceHeir

    “Would you want to make a moe FPS?
     
    Yeah, with squirt guns and you aim at their chests. [Laughs.]”

    GODLY concept O_______O

    anyone know the title of Ikki Tousen game on the pic???

    can’t wait to see more games from him :D

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