Report: Xbox One Used Games Details Clarified [Update 2]

By Ishaan . May 21, 2013 . 1:00pm

 

Update 2: Microsoft’s Phil Harrison has provided Kotaku with further details of how used games will work on Xbox One. Here are the details:

 

But what if you want to bring a game disc to a friend’s house and play there? You’ll have to pay a fee—and not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that game—in order to use a game’s code on a friend’s account. Think of it like a new game, Harrison says.

“The bits that are on that disc, you can give it to your friend and they can install it on an Xbox One,” he said. “They would then have to purchase the right to play that game through Xbox Live.”

 

However, Harrison went on to add, you will be able to sell your Xbox One games online, so the concept of used games isn’t dead. “We will have a solution—we’re not talking about it today—for you to be able to trade your previously-played games online,” Harrison said.

 

Update: The Xbox One will support used games, a Microsoft representative has clarified to Polygon. “Xbox One’s support for used games and these other scenarios may not look like they have on previous console generations, and that’s what we’ll be explaining as soon as we’re able,” the spokesperson said.

 

Original story: All games for Microsoft’s Xbox One must be installed to the game’s hard drive before they can be played, according to a Wired report.

 

Once a game is installed, if the owner wishes to use the same game disc with a second Xbox One account, he will be able to pay a fee in order to install the game on the other account using the same disc.

 

As of now, It’s unclear as to how this will fully impact used or rented games, or even games that players lend to their friends.


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  • SirRichard

    Also according to Wired and CVG: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/407929/always-online-requirement-is-optional-for-xbox-one-devs/

    Always-online is something devs can implement on the Xbox One, and while optional, the interviewed director “hopes they do” use it.

    This is not the best day for Microsoft.

    • http://s1.zetaboards.com/Espada_of_Alexandria/index/ konpon568

      “Not their best day”? Don’t you mean “Just as planned”?

    • TheExile285

      WHY? What the hell sort of benefit is there from Always Online restriction? MS planning on having a huge MMO library this gen?

      • Brutal2D

        Wouldn’t make much sense. What would happen to their PC master race?

      • Prungy

        That’s the point of always-online, and other forms of DRM. There is no benefit to the user, its only purpose is maintaining control over how you use their content.

      • http://www.falgram.com/ Falmung

        I think they were talking something about being able to have parts of their game work from Microsoft’s servers therefore allowing the servers to make some of the computations for the games making it effectively online only. I think Diablo 3 did something like this with PC.

  • dahuuuundge

    and I thought they couldn’t go lower than online pass

    • http://s1.zetaboards.com/Espada_of_Alexandria/index/ konpon568

      Well, I thought they already gone lower with no backwards compatibility for 360 titles, but now…

    • Tristan Diaz

      They lost me at “fee”.

  • ZEROthefirst

    And on this day Microsoft lost more potential/previous buyers.

  • Colin Tosh

    Surely the general public will retaliate to this? I understand used games are a hazard but the more they see things working the more companies push things forward. Even if Sony and Nintendo aren’t doing this if they see this successful they will follow suit.

    There comes a time when people have to say “no”.

  • LegoBaka

    I like having to install the game from the disc (saves the laser’s lifespan), but this fee here… Can I just have my account on multiple systems? I mean buying a game and loaning it to my brother when I’m done has been a thing we have been doing for decades. >_>;

    • ZEROthefirst

      It might let it work on different a different console as long as they’re logged into YOUR account, but something tells me you’ll get the fee for going to a new account and system.

      • Cyn3x

        There is already issues with having your account logged in on multiple consoles as it is, the moment it sees it in aother location it clears your previous account, which is a case i’ve come across a few times with current gen

    • ronin4life

      It may save the lasers lifespan, but it won’t help the HDD.

      Better hope MS doesn’t make and then overcharge for proprietary memory.

      • ZEROthefirst

        This is Microsoft baby, prepare for anything to happen.

  • Strid

    “As of now, It’s unclear as to how this will fully impact used or rented games, or even games that players lend to their friends.”

    It doesn’t need to be any more clear. They’re putting a premium on this stuff to curb it. Basically what we feared Sony doing, MS is actually going through with. Pass.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Obb/100001994017630 Jimmy Dean

    lol Goodbye Microsoft.

    • AuraGuyChris

      It’s your current avatar that makes this comment more precious.

    • Brandon001

      Lmfao, this guy, i enjoy your attitude.

  • Juan Andrés Valencia

    And with this I’m sticking to the PS4.

    • ronin4life

      Something I think needs to be remembered; ps4 may do this as well.

      • Brutal2D

        Sony said in an earlier note (about 2 months ago?) that they would not be doing this feature.

        • Scallion

          They said they’d be giving the option for developers to implement it.
          Either way, no backwards comp, so I don’t care. Both of them are horrible at managing their content.

          • Brutal2D

            I don’t really see why you think they HAVE TO implement backwards compatibility. No one complained when Nintendo 64 was shifting to Gamecube and suddenly no one was able to play their old games on a new console.

            Even if PS4 doesn’t have the function. Shouldn’t you be focusing on the games you are now obtaining rather than focusing things you’ve probably have beaten several times before?

          • sandra10

            I don’t think people understand what it would mean for both the Xbox One and PS4 to be backwards compatible. They’ll have to include the processors from the PS3 and 360 since the Xbox One and PS4 can’t emulate their predecessors and that’ll drive up the cost a good deal.

            So, if they did have BC, people would just complain about the consoles being ridiculously expensive. Then again, somebody’s always complaining about something.

          • Brutal2D

            Exactly, common consumers have already installed these expectations for future gen consoles without realizing what would actually have to happen in this era to make that happen.

            Can’t say I blame them, most people were born when technology was evolving every couple of years, and now we have limitations.

          • Steven Higgins

            But at least the PS4 let’s you stream older games. Even if it’s not ideal you can still play them.This seems to have no way to play Xbox/Xbox 360 games at all.

          • sandra10

            I wouldn’t expect that feature to be coming to the PS4 anytime soon to be honest. But it’s not like a cloud gaming company couldn’t strike a similar deal with Microsoft. That company might even be Sony/Gaikai. :P

          • Scallion

            I’m thinking about the hundreds of games I *could* be playing that I wasn’t able to purchase this go around. I know the hardware architecture is incompatible, but it’s disheartening, all the same, especially because they’re bragging about their console being about a seamless, integrated experience.

          • Brutal2D

            You apparently do not understand about hardware limitations in this day and era.

          • Scallion

            And it’s apparent that you don’t care about the anti-consumerist attitudes they’re adopting towards their content. I’m not going to pitch a fit because I’ll have to unplug a couple of things if I want to play older games, but it’s not encouraging me to rush out and buy a new product, simple as that.

          • Brutal2D

            Which is exactly why it has been taking so long to make new products, everyone has hit a technological wall. Yes, they update the graphics, the RAM, the online functions with apps and tv streaming functions.

            But consumers should care what they can currently present to you, not what you expect them to do. Because in my opinion. I expect to inject my games into the back of my neck and play them in my head.

            But I know the difference between far fetched sci fi and realistic limitations of our current existing technology. Look when the PS3 came out. That was doing blu ray. Remember when everyone was scoffing about the price? Do you realize that really hurt sony back then financially because everyone said “whoa, that’s way too much for that”

            And the older models DID have backwards compatibility.

            So what you’re asking for is a backwards compatible PS1 2 AND 3. Do you have any idea what the could cost?

          • Max

            Yes but isn’t the emulator (if that’s what does the trick for backwards
            compatibility) is already there but kinda locked or something by Sony?
            In Order to make you buy PS2 games again? Because I remember there was
            this famous hacker who Sony sued him after reveling some hacking methods
            or so (I remember he even said it was possible to have backwards compatibility even in the new Ps3 models because the emulator or so) some even attributed the infamous PSN hacking back than was a pay back for what they did to their fellow hacker.

          • D H

            Because it’s so hard to keep your old systems for the games you want to play, right? Backwards compatibility is probably the worst reason I can think of to factor your decision of not wanting a new game console. It’s exactly that, a NEW game console. It’s not designed to play the old games, if they work more power to them. PS4 is built completely differently, it’s more similar to your PC than your PS3; to make it run PS3 games, you’d have to put the PS3 hardware into it, and therefore another $100-150 added to the price tag, which I’m sure you would then complain about it being priced to high.

          • Binah Moore

            thank u sir

  • Junko Enoshima

    My N64 doesn’t have this feature…Am I doing something wrong?

  • http://www.facebook.com/jraimey Justin Raimey

    Some people have more than one account on a system due to having friends or siblings… this is not a good idea at all. So if my brother wants to play a game on his account that I have already installed under mine he has to pay for it? That’s complete garbage! If that is how it is I will never buy this system, I’ll live.

    • http://forums.rpgmakerweb.com/index.php?/topic/25050-farm-mapping-contest/#entry239430 Chaos17

      Seems a lot of people think that most families have only one child -.-’ Or couples or friends don’t play together anymore.

      • http://www.digitalgamebreak.com Jonathan Davis

        Apparently as long as you’re signed in with your profile that you got your game on it will be free for others

    • http://www.falgram.com/ Falmung

      Incorrect. This is for playing the game in a totally different xbox. Just like with the Xbox 360 digital games any account under the Xbox the content was purchased for can play the game. However if you take that content to another Xbox then your account must be signed in to XBL to use it and only that account can use it.

  • Kaitsu

    Well, it’s a game breaker, guys. Nintendo and Sony wins.

  • Seraph

    I see why they call this the Xbox One now.

    Only ONE person will probably enjoy the console.

    • RichyGaming

      Probably.

    • Zenthos

      Yes, it only has ONE use, catching dust.

    • Taylor Davis

      Your so right! I’m not buying this, I’m buying a ps4.

    • Magus KilIer

      And that will be the creator’s mother

    • Brutal2D

      Ironically, one person down voted you.

      The person that did that, is probably that person.

    • Brandon001

      Just googled “Xbox One” and google images showed pictures of the original Xbox. What a terrible name.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1758190677 Brian R Dalgetty

        It still isn’t quite as bad as the name Wii U, I may not be planning to buy an Xbox One(and I do own a Wii U) but Microsoft at least marketed it as a new console even with the stupid name, Nintendo made people think the Wii U is just an add on for the Wii, in any event Sony did the best job for naming yet again, I heard a rumor that it was going to be called The PlayStation and I was relieved when the said PlayStation 4.

    • ShawnOtakuSomething

      The truth

  • Lazulis

    Microsoft had a meeting about this. Several people congregated and talked about features for weeks. For months maybe. Yeah, I like sharing games between my buddies. No thank you Microsoft.

  • Neophoton

    Installs are actually a good thing for laser lifespan, but everything else seems like a no-go for me.

  • Skye Johnson

    They’re just going all-out just to see what they can get away with this generation, aren’t they?

    The only thing I’m looking forward to about the Xbox 1 release is that the 360′s prices will go down. Maybe then I’ll finally get one.

  • JustThisOne

    Guess I’m not going to be installing much then… Or does this apply to discs and when they install system settings as well? :/

    • Wheelyramp

      The report says installing games off the disc is compulsory

      • JustThisOne

        Oh crap. I must’ve missed that line. :V My bad.

        I wonder if we can at least log on to our accounts and play on different xboxes? :/ If not, I’m going to have to resort to carrying the whole damn thing to people’s houses, haha.

        EDIT: And it was the first line in the article, too? Man, I’m so embarrassed.

  • XYZ_JolteonZ980

    Seems like news that should have been revealed the day the console released. Sharing games with friends just got inconvenient.

  • FetusZero

    Not sure how downloads will be affected, but it seems like the days of importing shmups, playing them on my regular account but downloading its DLC on another account from the region where I imported it are over.

  • Laith Rem

    See, THIS “feature” is what kills the Xbox One for me.

    My cousins and I use 1 console but multiple accounts for our 360. So with this feature, I have to pay the game + a fee to play a game that I ultimately own physically.

    So yeah, good riddance Microsoft.

  • Raharu95

    Well… I guess Games and Console company are reaching lower heights guys. I’m sure once they reach rock bottom they will be more than happy to dig even deeper! Man this is pathetic…

  • TrannyMagic

    I wanted to continue supporting xbox. I really did…

  • FitzpatrickPhillips

    All I can say is loooooooool

  • Tristan Diaz

    I’m a proud owner of my Wii U, and will now be a proud owner of a PS4. I was hoping today Microsoft could really impress me, and making want to jump at this system at it’s launch…But I have no reason to anymore…They might as well charge me a fee for opening the consoles box too. -____-

  • http://twitter.com/MrAugen Sean Pace

    If true this system is dead to me. Why would you immediately make a console that portions of the population cannot use? I hope it fails and that no one else emulates such a practice.

  • Zenthos

    Online all the time, need to pay extra for borrowing and renting games, games HAVE to be installed to the hard drive in order to play them, no backwards compatibility, and a full focus on a bunch of garbage apps. I don’t see why anyone would not buy a ps4 or wii u instead.

  • biskmater

    well, whatever, unless we are talking portables, I just stick to nintendo anyway. But the Vita sure can be a pain in the ass sometimes.

  • l777l

    When the console the game was first installed on breaks, will using a second one (with the same Xbox account) require a fee to transfer games? That’d be great fun.

    • gold163

      You’ll probably be able to negotiate something with Microsoft’s Xbox support team. I don’t know how things worked with the 360′s notorious failure rate but this is what strikes me as the most logical course of action.

      Given that game ownership will be account-based, you would logically think that simply signing into your account would give you access to your game. However, from what we’ve been hearing, it might also be hardware-based… If you’re thinking, “isn’t this a step backwards?”, then you’re not the only one.

  • FFmax

    Holy crap that is beyond stupid. Microsoft just shot themselves in the foot. With this shit here.

  • DarkWaterClone

    This is a dumb move on Microsoft’s part. I rent games first so this way if I like them I go out and buy them. You take that feature away I would never buy new IPs because I would not know if I like them or not.

    Also I have multipal people in my house that play the same game I buy. So now if they wanted to play that game I have to pay extra so they can play the same game. I buy DVDs everyone can watch them. I would like the same thing with my games too.

    I hate to say this but I hope the new Xbox fails. So when the Xbox 4 comes out it goes back to letting everyone in your house play the game you bought.

    • ronin4life

      Technically, it may be possible to provide renters with games that can be played multiple times, so they may not be affected.

    • Steven Higgins

      You really want to wait 3 generations for that to happen? lol jk I know what you meant. It just looks like now the next Xbox will be the Xbox 2 and so on.

      • ZEROthefirst

        Assuming Microsoft doesn’t pull out anymore bad guns like they’ve been doing and the Xbox ONE doesn’t completely bomb, causing them to withdraw from the gaming market.

  • Nicky Tetlow

    Normally there is one feature with a new console that makes me think “that’s kinda cool”. I have yet to see anything that does that with the Xbox One.

  • Guest

    I’ll just leave this here. https://twitter.com/XboxSupport1/status/336940019564548096
    Hopefully its legit.

  • Ivan Junior

    one word: FAIL. PS4, PSVita, Wii U and 3DS will be the best of this generation.

  • Yukikage

    I’ll just leave this here. https://twitter.com/XboxSupport1/status/336940019564548096
    Hopefully it’s legit.

  • Bakuryukun

    hahaha nope.

  • Rogerrmark

    Superman 64>Xbox One
    Fuck the logic

  • Keima88

    Hmm… Thats a bad idea… It doesnt only impact us (gamers) but also the secondhand gamestores.
    Doesnt that mean we cant sell our old games anymore? And what about the 48 hour trial? (the if you dont like it you can swap it for another game).

    Ugh thinking about it hurts my stomach. This meant to be a gameconsole right? Where you play games! (check) Share it with friends (yeah for a price). You can play second hand games on it (yeah for a price…).
    And the fee we have to pay… will it go to microsoft? Or the developer or both?

    Sigh… Meh.

  • Taylor Davis

    When I watched the whole on Video game awesome, I was depressed and it was just so sad. Well I’m happy for Sony, Sony stock price went up :).

  • nyobzoo

    well and there goes any interest I had with the new Xbox

  • Scallion

    How long until they kill Xbox 360 live, and I can’t access any of the arcade games I bought?
    I’m just going to buy a PS3 and work on all of the games I missed this gen.

  • Tee Niitris

    As a gamer since the 90s, I’m not going to hide my feelings about this; what complete and utter garbage.

    So they mean to say if someones system suffers the horrible disease known as the Red Ring of Death, you must buy a new system AND pay a fee to Microsoft to play all the games you already bought?

    … at least there’s still Windows and PC gaming; it’s obvious that Sony’s console had more thought put into it.

    • Brandonmkii

      It’s linked to your Live account reportedly so you won’t have to pay a fee if it’s the same account the game was originally on.

  • TagAnarchy

    Wow, they’re actually going through with it? Hah, good thing i’m on Playstation and don’t have to put up with this.

  • TheExile285

    Wow this is awful. Whatever MS is smoking, it must be strong.

    • Ali

      Whatever it is they be smokin’ I want me summa’ that!

  • TagAnarchy

    I was actually considering switching. Good thing that phase is over. Playstation, I’ll never doubt you again.

  • hickorypan

    And people called me crazy (myself included) when I bought a Wii U. Doesn’t feel so crazy anymore.

    I’ve never bought or owned a Microsoft system anyway, their exclusives have always been inferior to Sony’s and Nintendo’s in both generations. Their online stuff hasn’t been much to speak of either. I wouldn’t be sad at all to see MS leave the gaming scene.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1758190677 Brian R Dalgetty

      I didn’t feel crazy about buying my Wii U, I have just been unable to use it much with the lack of games so far but that is slated to change by the end of this year with some Nintendo Exclusives, and Sony has done a great job marketing the PS4 and showing off some awesome teasers, then there is Microsoft that has shot themselves in the foot due to their own stupidity, I did own a 360 at one point but after I got my PS3 I never touched it again, this generation I will stay with Nintendo and Sony to get awesome exclusives and I won’t have to deal with Microsoft’s BS.

    • disgaea36

      Not exactly Xbox had some great rpgs and smups and who doesn’t like guardian heros. But they def. took a step in the wrong direction with this one.

    • Ali

      With it….EA!
      Hmm? What was that? I didn’t say nothing!

  • DrakeClawfang

    Congratulations Microsoft, you lost this round of Console Wars before you even stepped into the ring

  • http://www.senran-international.boards.net/ TwinTails

    Well, guess who’s sticking with Nintendo again this gen. :/

    • Hinataharem

      Nintendo is good people

  • http://twitter.com/FrogNinjazord Yᴏsʜɪʏᴀ

    >no fee is involved while playing used games.
    So you’ll have to pay for them while you’re not playing them, obviously. I see through your lies, Microsoft! /sarcasm

  • Yuriangels

    will never i have a xbox and now i never will!!!

  • Alos88

    “and that no fee is involved while playing used games.”
    Are you sure? Because that tweet didn’t seem to say that, just that you can *sell* the game, which is still physically possible because it’s physical media.
    You’d need to lower the asking price to accomodate the extra fee though.

  • http://epiclyamazing.wordpress.com/ AzureNova

    This is just sad.

  • ivanchu77

    XBOX DONE

  • LynxAmali

    tl;dr

    It ‘supports’ used games but in fact, technically doesn’t because you still have to pay full price, even if you just want to play it at a friend’s?

    HA!

    Sony, here I come!

  • Istillduno

    Well, looks like I’m not picking up Microsoft’s “offering” this gen, here’s hoping Sony doesn’t pull the same crap.

    This is what happens when a hobby community just keeps on shoveing money into game’s companies faces no matter what anit-consumer bs they pull, this generation isn’t about trying to sell us an improved experience, it’s seeing how much they can get away with before people stop giving them sales and extra money for crap like this.

  • DCBlackbird

    huuuuh….. well looks like i’m stickin to new games

  • XyzzySqrl

    Looks like I’m going for the Wii U, PC games, and handhelds this generation.

  • Binah Moore

    so lets play a game…..wait and see who actually buys this thing on launch

  • mirumu

    Just read the updates. Wow. I’m completely stunned that Microsoft would do something so amazingly stupid. I’m lost for words.

  • Solomon_Kano
    • https://twitter.com/RaiohV Raioh

      That dude has the most golden reactions~

    • Ferrick

      now to wait till someone make a gif about kaz and reggie’s reaction to Xbox One XD

      • Solomon_Kano

        Ooh, that should be good lol.

        • Ferrick

          LOL… and suddenly i imagined Kaz and Reggie’s face pasted on laughing Tidus and laughing Yuna… i need to stop thinking weirdass things lol

          • Solomon_Kano

            Somebody should totes make that! I’d do it myself if I had any idea what I was doing lol.

      • Isaac Newton

        Bring one the fake kaz and reggie twitter users LOL

    • http://vindictushots.tumblr.com/ Okuni-chan

      LOL! This is so perfect!

  • Damarius Wingfield

    I got a better idea! Let’s not buy and wait it out for a month or 2 while those non-updated morons suffer first…..Anyone down with that?

  • Symbol de Au

    I don’t understand how selling your games is going to work. Is it like EBay or something except that Microsoft recognizes the sales made through the system and if you buy it through their online service you don’t have to pay the used games fee for it?

  • Vitonofrio del Rosso

    You want to lend a game? they have to pay..
    You want to rent a game? no way!
    You want to sell a used game? Sure you can sell your online game.. through us.. so either they have to purchase a “full license” OR you sell your license giving microsoft/developer a cut on your purchase..
    yeah i can totally see me NOT GETTING this shit :)

  • ShawnOtakuSomething
    • PoweredByHentai

      God I love Nichijou. XD

  • DrakeClawfang

    Yup, you can trade games on-line, and you know there’s gonna be fees and restrictions.

    Bravo, Microsoft, you found a way to get what console makers have wanted for decades – a way to make money off of used video games. And we’ll see how well it works out for you when no one buys your console because they see through your greedy lies.

  • http://twitter.com/nikochanr3 niko

    People always argue their consoles to the death but a feature that keeps a person from buying a system is a problem for that person. When a feature is going to keep a lot of people buying a system, it’s a problem for the system. Whether it’s feasible or not feasible is not the point. It’s still a problem.

    An XBOX360 is huge. I can understand people who have one wanting a new system to be backwards compatible so two huge systems aren’t out, especially if you own other systems. Essentially to replace my PS4 and XBOX 360 i’d need 4 systems out to play all my games. That’s not happening. I’m certainly not alone.

    Couple that with all the other things i didn’t like in the presentation (Kinect, the always on, the no used games, etc.) and i’m right now a big NO on the new XBox. Things could change but i see no reason to have one right now.

  • Tincho D

    >but the actual price of that game

    >but the actual price of that game
    >but the actual price of that game
    >but the actual price of that game

    OH HELL NO, FUCK THIS!

  • Jirin

    Ok.

    So, Sony, where do I send the money?

  • Ferrick

    O how the mighty has fallen, i wonder on what was going on in their minds as they were developing the concept for X1, and what’s next ? BSOD and RROD right off the bat ?

    yeah.. no thanks microsoft, after a string of bad choices in these few years, i think i will stick to sony and nintendo (and microsoft 7)

  • Göran Isacson

    Ha ha WELL.

    Okay. So a thought experiment: what if this ISN’T going to kill the Xbox? I mean, gamers on the Internet are turning away in droves, but it seems clear to me now that gamers are not the audience for this device… so what audience IS? I do not own a Microsoft console, so truth be told I don’t know what services they offer and what the advantages they have over other companies are.

    But from what I can tell it seems that they aim to turn this into a device of many functions, a media central of sorts, and if this is true- can it work? Is there anyone out there who can say with conviction or authority that there is a significant enough demand for a media central-machine, or that MS can create enough demand for this device to become a success? Because for all the doom being thrown around here sometimes the machines that try the strangest things can become surprising successes, all because they attain an audience we traditional gamers could never have predicted.

    In short- IS this as dumb a move as everyone seems to think it is, or is there some hidden method to the madness we’re just not seeing right now?

    • mirumu

      It’s a good question. I think if Microsoft was showing more vision in other areas it would be an indication of them seeing a bigger picture the rest of us are missing. As it is though, they have their back to the wall in various markets and don’t seem to be getting a lot of traction. Many of their shareholders are upset, and I don’t expect Steve Balmer to last much longer at the top.

      When reading interviews with Microsoft insiders it seems that they’ve viewed both Sony and Nintendo as being incompetent as competitors in the past. I think that has perhaps lead them to underestimate the competition when it comes to the Xbox One. I do think there is a market for a really good all encompassing media machine, but the Xbox One doesn’t appear to be that device.

      I do however expect the Xbox One to see a degree of success in the US at least. The gamers out there who don’t pay too much attention to the details won’t necessarily view it as negatively.

      • Göran Isacson

        Got any links to those interviews? Not that I entirely blame them for the attitude- while the Wii was a runaway success Nintendo hasn’t really managed to capitalize well on it, and their handling of their first HD-console so far hasn’t been encouraging.

        Also, I now read that you CAN bring games you’ve bought over to a friends house as long as you log into your own account while you play them, which is… at least somewhat soothing, I guess?

        • mirumu

          Here’s one link at least that mentions it in passing.
          http://ilikecode.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/stupid-stupid-xbox/

          That one’s more a blog post than an interview, but I have seen others say the same thing. Quite a few who comment on the Mini-Microsoft blog are Microsoft employees who have said many less than flattering things about Sony and Nintendo. Certainly not without some justification though I might add.

          What you say about possibly being able to play your game on your own account at a friend’s house is interesting. If that is the case I wonder why Microsoft’s people didn’t clarify that straight away? Sounds like a really odd thing to forget to mention.

          Edit: Nat Brown’s latest post talking about the current situation is actually quite an interesting read too.
          http://ilikecode.wordpress.com/2013/05/21/xing-my-fingers-about-xbox/

          • Göran Isacson

            Yeah, apparently the “you can play at others but only on your own account” came after Kotaku published an article saying you couldn’t play your games at other peoples homes. Not sure why they didn’t clarify that from the get-go, guess they just didn’t think it was important?

            And wow, sure doesn’t seem like anyone out in the blogosphere is very accepting of the new Xbox, not even people who used to work at Microsoft… and these are tech-people too, not just random gamers. Not exactly feeling very confident in MS right now.

  • LightZero

    It’s the Wii U and PS4 for me then. Although the 3DS will be my king.

    • Sardorim

      I love the 3DS though I wish it wasn’t region locked. Guess I best pray for a SRW game on the PS4 and Vita that I can import.

      • Morricane

        More SRW is never a bad thing!

  • badmoogle

    I pray to God Sony will not be stupid enough and do the same…if they do then it’s WiiU only for me and clearing my backlog.

    • http://vindictushots.tumblr.com/ Okuni-chan

      I think I’ll be sticking my backlog / replaying old games for awhile yet.

      • Testsubject909

        100+ PS2 games waiting for me to finish and quite a few PS3 games. Some Wii games, Gamecube games. SNES games, NES games, Saturn games, tons of GBA and DS games, some PSP and Vita games still unfinished. Quite a few PS1 games and some Xbox games too.

        I’m set for a looong time…. I could wait until the NEXT generation beyond this one…

        … Though the PS4 still looks interesting to me.

        • http://vindictushots.tumblr.com/ Okuni-chan

          Oh nice! I still have games I’m finding out about form the older systems haha. Including NDS, PSP and PS2 games I may have missed/skipped so there are those. Plus ones dear to my heart that I have been itching to play again (+_+ ) So I figure along with that the 3DS games that are out/coming out will also keep my rather busy.

          The PS4 does peek my interest too, I brace myself for the price ( x_x) Or I’ll just wait out the eventual price drop once I’ve gone through my backlog.

  • Ben Sylvia

    Well this is dead in the water.

    Haha, more shelf space for Sony and Nintendo stuff at Gamestop.

  • Freud_Hater

    Wow. I will SO not buy this…

  • http://vindictushots.tumblr.com/ Okuni-chan

    “They would then have to purchase the right to play that game through Xbox Live”

    Through Xbox Live huh? Does that mean that if you played a used game offline you wouldn’t have to go through the code/purchase thing? Maybe it will be like: You can play that used game offline, but you wont get the benefits”. Kind of like how you can play another person’s save on PS3 but there are restrictions?

    • badmoogle
      • http://vindictushots.tumblr.com/ Okuni-chan

        My word… That’s just insane.

      • Testsubject909

        I don’t know whether to facepalm, laugh, feel sorry for the poor blokes who’re going to lose their job or just shrug and move on to just wait for PS4 news since I had zero interest in the new Xbox console to begin with.

        I was just curious to see what they’d do right and what they’d do wrong.

        I’m still waiting for a right…

  • http://www.youtube.com/Lyonharvestmoonfan Eduardo Rocha

    So PS4 will be much better, is that what they meant to say?

  • badmoogle

    Lol i’m dying here!”Xbox One Reveal 2013 Highlights”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

    • Eilanzer

      xbox…TV…Sports…Cod XD

    • Niermyico

      LMAO!! Thank you for posting this here. Thank you.

    • http://twitter.com/FFXIIKD SMT

      thanks for saving my time with this video xD, i’m going to watch TV!

    • Engi3Piece

      This just became the best drinking game ever!

      • Testsubject909

        Engi3Piece, you’re drunk. Go home.

    • CirnoLakes

      I haven’t used a cable or satellite TV connection connection in my TV for years. I have a cable connection and it is internet only, and has been that way for around a decade or more.

      I don’t like sports. Okay I somewhat lied, women’s mixed martial arts is fun to watch. But other than that I’m not really a sports fan.

      And I have a confession to make. I don’t like first person shooters. People keep trying to get me to play these ‘different’ and ‘innovative’ first person shooters. But I don’t wanna play a first person shooter. I just don’t. And I definitely don’t want to play Call of Duty.

      And I definitely don’t want to deal with this kind of draconian DRM junk on a console.

      Microsoft, I don’t think your console is for me.

      • RedShadoww

        My thoughts exactly. But honestly I’ve never NOT wanted a console this much.

        • Testsubject909

          CD-i? Jaguar?

          I’m tempted to put the Xbox 1 in the same category.

      • Testsubject909

        The only game I could suggest you is Killer 7 by Suda.

        But that’s just a suggestion.

      • badmoogle

        My TV in my gaming room is not even connected to tv channels.And we don’t have Netflix,hulu,bulu and all that stuff over here.I couldn’t care less even if we had them though…i made my set up to play games not to watch stupid tv.

  • disgaea36

    Microsoft lost their damn mind. So Basically when my xbox one breaks and gets the blue and brown rings, which we know they will at first I gotta pay a fee for each game I own to install in the new system come on now Micro you guys did such a good job with the slim now this tsk tsk such a damn shame.

  • https://twitter.com/kcgst Karu

    Wtf with this new generation -_- , i guess ill stay with the 3DS for a while. Or maybe (i thought ill never say this ) get a Wii U.

  • Eilanzer

    Wait…Wait…I´m a lil lost here…So if i want to play my games in a friend house i have to carry my console…Or can i just log in my account in his console or something?!

    • badmoogle

      You can just log in to your profile where your game is registered.

      • mirumu

        If that does work, some games will still require big downloads. It will still probably be easier to carry the console in many cases.

        The 360 only allows one Xbox Live enabled account per storage device. If that restriction is still in place then logging in with your account wouldn’t work. Hopefully they’ve removed that limitation on the Xbox One.

        • http://twitter.com/FFXIIKD SMT

          MS: you’re moving your game console
          Me :hell no i moving my house
          Ms:Xbox Go home.

          • Testsubject909

            Xbax one. Staph. Staph. You’re drunk. Go home.

  • Isaac Newton

    PS4 didn’t show the console but

    Xbox One Direction didn’t show the games but they did show the dog and a TV.

    Disclaimer: I’m not serious just fooling around :D

  • Hinataharem

    This is literally unbelievable. I really hope they come out and say “Just kidding!”

    • Testsubject909

      If they did, the damage is done. They’d need to do a lot, and I mean a LOT of damage control…

      Which I have to say… Considering how they added fake applause during their conference (from statements and tweets above, I missed it entirely since I was out for the entire day. Shame, I missed out on a LOT of fun)… Someone in the company knew and had enough influence to GET these people to cover up with false excitement…

      So someone knew the whole thing sucked…

      So Microsoft knew the whole thing wasn’t going to get taken well…

      And they kept the course…

      Hmm…

  • Just Tim

    I call it now: XBOX-1 = PS3 The Next Generation (2013 until XBOX-2 gets announced)

  • Shadowman

    I’m sticking with the xbox360 cause this is just sad.

  • Kaitsu

    So, update 2 is essentially worse than the original story. Update 1 made us think it was going to be a good thing.

    GG Microsoft

  • http://twitter.com/FFXIIKD SMT

    by continuing on this stupid decisions, they will rewind games industry.
    i love how is the games before, play for fun this how the gamer’s love games.

  • Twilightlicious

    :c not green?

  • dragoon_slayer12

    If I was to buy an xboxOne (and I’m not) Not a problem for me since I buy new, am I’m the main one that plays in my house and don’t lend out my games. But for those that DO buy used games and DO lend them out, this is the stupidest thing, EVER!!!! $5 fee is pushing it as is, but FULL PRICE!!?? ARE THEY OUT OF THEIR FUCKING MINDS!!?? I can see this being the generation where Microsoft inadvertently throws in the towel for being so Damn money hungry and stupid….

  • xxx128

    lol? Pay a fee so someone can play MY game? You lost your marbles or something ms?

  • pantsonadog

    What a joke. Time to go back to playstation for this Gen of gaming it seems.

    • Testsubject909

      Aaaaayup.

      Well, at least I know that I won’t be losing much money next gen.

      Multi-console owning is taking a toll on me… But for one gen, I might end up only having one console… okay maybe two because I still need a console to run Wii games.

  • CirnoLakes

    Ahahahaha.

    I don’t want one. And neither do most people anymore. Have fun falling right out of the console market, after spending so much effort attempting to break into the console market.

    We all had a feeling this would happen when Adam Orth said what he did. Now it’s confirmed. Adam Orth wasn’t just saying something terrible, he was attempting to defend his company’s views.

    I’m sorry Microsoft, but you’ve entirely lost this console generation worse than Nintendo.

  • Seven Infinity

    No wonder that i have no slight excitement about this reveal…

  • Guest

    LOLOLOL

  • RedShadoww

    Man..I really feel sorry for all the ignorant sheep who buy an Xbox One solely because they got a 360 and find out about this…

  • Amine Hsu Nekuchan

    R.I.P. Xbox.

  • ShadowDivz

    And then you still have to pay to play online!

    • Morricane

      Finally someone is realizing the FULL potential of the concept called “pay to play”!!!

  • Leon Keyv
    • Kitestwinblades

      Ah, so it was true xD
      I thought it was weird that people would cheer that much for television on a home console nearly EVERY TIME it was mentioned ( ̄□ ̄;)

      Leave it to Adam(along with the rest of the press) to pick out details like this in no time. Thanks for posting this

    • Testsubject909

      Soooo….

      Someone at Microsoft guessed people were going to react negatively to this and made a plan to attempt to mask it up by adding the equivalent of a laugh track?

      Hmm…. Whoever that person is will probably keep his/her job where many others won’t.

      Oh and, glad to see Sessler’s tweet. Might not care much for X-play but Sessler’s a fair guy/gamer.

  • midgard229

    Lmaooooo this couldnt be more fail if they tried

  • JVIPER88

    They couldn’t have made this any more complicated if they tried. They COULD have just given people the answers they were looking for at the conference today, but instead, we get completely different stories from different XBOX employees, and no one is properly clarifying what’s going on.

    So Harrison says that if you bring a disc to a friend’s house, the friend then has to purchase the game from XBL for the full price in order to use it? Ok, then what is the difference between that, and selling a used game to someone else, but being required to pay a “fee”? Is the “fee” = “full price”? Or is the fee different? And why can’t my friend just pay the “fee” instead of the full price of the game?

    • Testsubject909

      Considering how he states to “think of the game as new”.

      I’m guessing the price will be equivalent to a new game or just slightly under that.

  • nothing956

    I’m even more confused with the 2 updates. I was already leaning towards the the PS4 but this seals the deal. I mean no need to deal with a confusing used games deal if you don’t have to.

    • GGear0323

      we don’t actually know the whole deal about used games on the PS4. they said they wouldn’t block used games. well, the Xbox One doesn’t either, it would just be behind a fee (possibly). they have been pretty vague in most comments about used games. with MS being all over the place as well, it seems more probable that both Sony and MS are waiting to see if either pulls the trigger on fucking over used games in some concrete way. their systems are probably set up to go in either direction and they are just waiting to pick one.

  • Nitraion

    “The bits that are on that disc, you can give it to your friend and they can

    install it on an Xbox One,” he said. “They would then have to purchase the right to play that game through Xbox Live.”

    However, Harrison went on to add, you will be able to sell your Xbox One games online, so the concept of used games isn’t dead. ”We will have a solution—we’re not talking about it today—for you to be able to trade your previously-played games online,” Harrison said.

    Wow update 2 ._.
    Actually I already Use that “concept” using forums….
    or maybe for easy term is Amazon or ebay..

  • Tom

    ID tagged gamer playing ID tagged video games…

    • Testsubject909

      “Gaming…. Gaming has changed.”

      • Mister_Nep

        “Gaming has changed. It’s no longer about games, cartridges, or save batteries. It’s an endless series of console wars, fought by fanboys and logical people. Gaming, and its consumption of life, has become a well-oiled machine. Gaming has changed. ID tagged fanboys carry ID tagged consoles, and use ID tagged games. The nerd rage inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities.Genetic nerd rage. Information nerd rage. Emotional nerd rage. Console control. Everything is monitored, and kept under control. Gaming has changed.”

        Snake was onto something.

  • Testsubject909

    So, I arrive to see update 2 and not the gradual “improvement” of the situation… oh who am I kidding, it’s worse period.

    So on top of screwing over gaming groups like mine who do bring around our games and play them (and often time we end up purchasing copies of the games even if someone else in our gaming circle likes it if we enjoy the game enough to have our own copy or for other reasons). They’re basically saying that any used retail copies should be treated as if they were brand spanking new… Which from a collector’s end and a general gamer’s viewpoint… Seriously?

    … Seriously?

    Lastly.

    It looks like they’re doing their best to screw retailers by taking away the profit of used games and highly discouraging used games.

    This is not a very peaceful solution… This isn’t a solution.

    Not a good one anyways…

    I know it’s horrible when people lose their jobs because life and all but… I’m seriously thinking someone’s going to lose their job over this, if not quite a few people.

  • Guest

    i was told the next generation was going this way…
    but I didn’t listen and reality has kicked in and is telling
    “dude will it be worth it?”
    um…err….I don’t really know
    “I know there can only be one”
    bye halo maywe meet again in the future

  • Joseph

    Not cool..
    I remember when you can take your games over to your friends house without worrying about this kinda stuff. Why is this changing? Isn’t gaming suppose to be with friends having fun??

    • Morricane

      No no, only lonely social outcasts play games! :D

  • Yamaneko22

    So it will offer the option of gaming? Because, I only heard them talking about tv ;P

  • Kai2591

    Meh. Samsung has a better console.

    oh wait.

  • https://twitter.com/A_Beast_of_Prey Equinox K

    Well I lasted this long without ever getting an Xbox system, but at this point it seems it will never happen unless I just get an Arcade for downloads. That’s not to say Sony isn’t going to do the same thing but we don’t know for sure yet.

  • SoundMatch

    Holy crap, if PS4 includes this feature in any way basically WiiU will be the way to go. When the money goes to WiiU I bet EA are just gonna take back everything they said about the WiiU (again with the flipflopping). If PS4 does not include that used games crap, I’ll buy it with FFXV. (That being said I think it may be versus 13, Final Fantasy X Versus. Title change happened with Agito to Type-0).

  • Morricane

    If this install to a different console thingy really costs something like full price, then…I don’t really see the difference of that and buying a (one-time only?)
    download game…which kinda defeats the purpose of buying a physical copy.

  • キロ

    Everything I have seen about this have been negative so far –is there anybody who is looking forward to it?

    • jakeen burney

      Alot of people actually( not myself I don’t plan on picking up either console cause both have some unanswered questions.) Most see it as a entertainment platform but for gamers thats the question what about the games?

      • キロ

        Oh, okay, I also saw some people looking forward to it on other sites. It is amazing that things sell with so much negativity toward them at first. But –it may be a biased view as these commenters certainly do not make up a large share of the consumer.

        I am also waiting to see what else is planned for the system before making a decision.

        • jakeen burney

          Agreed with both as of today playstation still haven’t answered if the console will play used games they keep running from the question. Xbox flat out said it would but it comes with restrictions.

          I personally don’t care if people buy it I’m trying to make the decision for myself and family, I own a PC,ps3 and xbox 360… My pc gets the most play. I like all gaming consoles but what the fuck where both thinking with these new consoles? We shall see tho in the future.

          • キロ

            Yes… I just hope we see some nice new games in the future, and I hope your family manages to enjoy no matter what the result.

  • fireemblembeast

    Making money everywhere, cutting corners, not actually letting people own their games, and best of all, the interviewed people can seriously look us in the eye and tell us things like this. What will tomorrow’s news be? Not being able to share controllers? Well, it’s not like I care…

  • fireemblembeast

    Next update: Facebook account required for online play
    >_>

  • Strid

    The updates are not making it any better than it initially was. On the bright side maybe people will stop buying such terrible games if consoles put crap like this in play; or better yet, start playing games on PC.

  • artemisthemp

    So Used Xbox One Game value is zero as you will have to pay the same for a used game as a new one

  • samjosiah

    the worst business model i’ve ever seen for a console.

  • Brutal2D

    Your retort is actually quite adorable.

    I’m explaining things to you, do not dilute yourself into thinking this is actually bothering me in the slightest.

    But I am very well aware how people who like to pretend they know what is and is not possible to spew nonsense in a comment section and then the moment they are explained WHY that is not possible and why it makes sense to today’s standards it’s considered “crying”.

  • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

    @disqus_nSWZwNc80R:disqus @Scallion:disqus

    Don’t devolve conversations into name-callings and provocations, people.

  • Brutal2D

    I have done neither of these things, why am I being warned?

  • Binah Moore

    well guys its really a simple concept. If you want backwards compatibility……keep your old systems. I never buy a system when it comes out. the library simply isn’t well built enough yet. I still have my playstation 2, my n64, my gamecube. U want backwards compatibility. Just hold on to your old stuff and take care of it. I mean way back when companies did care about making game systems that would last you 6+ years

  • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

    Because things like sarcastic jabs or calling each other’s arguments “cute” have been known to eventually derail conversations into a mess of back-and-forth provocations. Better be safe than sorry later.

  • Brutal2D

    why are you replying to me like I was asking for backwards compatibility?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1758190677 Brian R Dalgetty

    Oh I love the name of Nintendo consoles, my issue with the name Nintendo Wii U doesn’t come from Nintendo jumping around with naming, it stems from the fact that when they initially showed off the Wii U it made a lot of consumers think that it was just an add on to the Wii, I would have been fine with the name if Nintendo had done a better job at letting consumers know that it is a brand new console, instead a lot of people think it is just a gaming peripheral. If Nintendo wanted to show off the controller more than the system I think they should have gone with something that distinguishes the console more, I think they should have gone with Wii 2 or Super Wii. I don’t think the name is bad from a naming sense, simply from a marketing sense. The reason I like what Sony has done in terms of naming consoles is because they keep brand recognition while making sure people know it is a new console, from a marketing standpoint Sony’s method of naming consoles just works very well. I won’t really touch on the Xbox naming line mainly because I have a bit of a bias against Microsoft and I feel as though every reason I give to my distaste with their marketing strategy could be viewed as just hating for the sake of hating despite my arguments.

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