Dragon’s Crown Looked Really Different When It Was Being Made For The Dreamcast

By Spencer . July 24, 2013 . 1:17am

Dragon’s Crown has been in Vanillaware president George Kamitani’s mind for well over a decade. The game was originally planned for Dreamcast, but instead of the detailed 2D artwork the game is now known for Dragon’s Crown used 3D models.

 

The art book has a glimpse at three characters designed back in 1998. You can see elements of the current Sorceress, and Wizard in these models.

 

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Eventually, the female warrior design would be the base for Fantasy Earth Zero, a Square Enix PC game that Kamitani worked on as the art director.


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  • Ahmad Reyner Nabeel

    Wow I never expected that… And Fantasy Earth Zero??? I really never thought that George Kamitani worked as art director on that game!

  • Slayven19

    I should have looked like that, it looks way better character designwise than what we got now. I however still like the style we got now but come on this is way better. Hopefully they may throw some of the looks in as DLC.

    • Kevadu

      No. Just no.

      • Slayven19

        No what? I talked about more than one thing in that post. For future posting, if your gonna thumbs down at least give a reason other than “no just no”

        • d19xx

          Ignore the thumbs down. You’ll get some regardless of what you posted. Check the comments in the other articles here in Siliconera, even the top comments gets them…

          • Derek E Nay

            I never liked the idea when they brought the whole thumb down option. Almost made me leave the site; but I love the communality much more then others so I stayed anyway.

            Still, I like the old artwork then the new one myself. But that’s only my opinion. As much as I love boobs, the sorcerers is a bit to big; this sorcerer is cute.

          • d19xx

            The Elf and DWARF got the cute department covered….

          • Derek E Nay

            I would certainly agree with the cute elf :P

          • Slayven19

            Agreed, and people are thumbing us down like we don’t like the new art or something.

          • Slayven19

            Thanks for the tip, I haven’t been here to long myself but there are other sites that use this layout.

    • Suriel Cruz

      “You Crazy!”

      • Slayven19

        Any reason why I’m crazy?

        • Suriel Cruz

          There’s actually no reason for You to be crazy or for Me to call You that way(isn’t it?), is just a say as how you won’t like the Amazing artwork we got instead of this one. The new one looks way more detailed and more accurate in concept, instead of these. If you look at the little girl, I think that she’s suppose to be the Sorceress, but for me she only pass as an Apprentice Witch, not Sorceress and the Female Knight, she does not have pants, only straps, so yeah, the new artwork is better and more detailed. But for tastes colors, right?… ^ ^

          ps. Let’s not forget about the ‘attributes’ that the new one has.

          • Slayven19

            Understandable, I still like the new art myself just honestly not the sorceress to much and I don’t even hate her either. Either way those were just concepts as well and could have evolved a bit more while still maintaining that look.

    • d19xx

      Nah. They look good but lacked the oomph of the current design.

    • http://twitter.com/AuroraXIII AuroraXIII

      I also prefer the older designs.

  • Suriel Cruz

    Thanks for the info. ^ ^
    The Wizard does resemble the new one.

  • Tom

    Those orcs are straight out of WarCraft 2 :)

    • Warboss Aohd

      naw, dey look like Fantasy Warhammer orks more den anythin’

      Warcraft Orcs are less bestial in appearance.

  • fyi1191

    The Knight is pantless? Didn’t know such design existed in the 90′s.
    The art reminds me of FFT.

    • FitzpatrickPhillips

      Its the common ignorant opinion (no offense) to think that fanservice designs only started with recent designs. It hasn’t. This stuff has existed even in the precious 90s.

      • James Dawson

        In the 70s even. Ever heard of Go Nagai? Look him up.

  • amagidyne

    Wow, that sorceress design is good. I wish we had that one instead, but then again, she would’ve been Dreamcast-era polygons.. I’ll count my blessings.

  • Raze

    What’s with the knight?

    She’s…Pantless?Haha

    Maybe they will make DLC for it

    • Mnstrzero00

      You want to see the dragons crown knight in a pants less dlc skin? Well it would even out the fan service.

  • Lazulis

    The knight…her…pants??? I like the newer designs myself. The knight is weird, and the sorceress…I can’t describe it, but I like the newer one, weirdly huge cleavage aside. The wizard looks way better too.

    • KuroNathan

      She got her pants the same place where lulu got her skirt

      • Chiupon

        Yeah, but Lulu actually got a skirt… That Knight might wanna get a full cash refund or some store credit at the Tetusya Nomura Boutique.

        • KuroNathan

          if she got store credit I suspect she’d get a belt shirt next…

          not that there’s anything wrong with that, go for it knight! It’ll match your pants!

        • Warboss Aohd

          ok, dat made me laugh.

  • Lazulis

    The knight…her…pants??? I like the newer designs myself. The knight is weird, and the sorceress…I can’t describe it, but I like the newer one, weirdly huge cleavage aside. The wizard looks way better too.

  • Namuro

    I think the knight’s design is really clever! I mean the enemies will be too distracted to fight back, right? Well…male enemies, that is…

    It’s pretty cool to get a glimpse into what could have been. Kamitani-san must be overjoyed to see his long awaited project finally completed!

  • Go2hell66

    is Dragon’s Crown related to Princess Crown in anyway other than the fact their made by the same developer?

    • AkuLord3

      Maybe like with Muramasa, it was going be a connection to Princess Crown

  • PlayLife

    The Sorceress shows how’s puberty done right xD
    I would love to see some in-game footage from the Dreamcast version, if there’s any of course, never expected this was planned to DC release.

  • FitzpatrickPhillips

    Dat knight

  • Wappuli

    In some ways I prefer this old desing for sorceres, but in overal I think that what we got is better.

  • XypherCode

    I liked Fantasy Earth Zero while it lasted. :)
    Good to know he was actually the art director for the game.

    • Just Tim

      I know, right? I have fond memories of the game, despite the bittersweet/downer developments–>ending.

      Oh, hey, aren’t you Xypher, a former player linked to a cheater guild collectively known as TSUNDERE in-game?

      Nice job helping to kill off the game… in America!

      • XypherCode

        Uhh not sure what you’re talking about though. Cheater guild? Tsundere? I’m a solo there and never joined any guilds. Never even reached the level cap… :|
        I think you’re referring to someone else…

        • Just Tim

          Don’t BS me. Every other former player knows who they are.

          In fact, the TSUNDERE guild was meant to be permanently banned from the game, after it was discovered they were practicing glitches, performing them, AND reporting it AFTER performing it. That aforementioned guild even has a friend in management.

          Namath, its captain, is even popular in real life, even those who never talked to him.

          • XypherCode

            I don’t know why we’re even talking about this here in this site. So if I have a similar name here in Disqus and I play the game I’m already considered the player you’re talking about? Oh brother…
            I only played the game I think about a month or two before it was shutdown.
            I don’t know the HELL you’re talking about dude.
            Stop assuming things. *sigh*

          • Just Tim

            Then, tell me your in-game name(s).

          • XypherCode

            Oh god…
            You’re acting like a little kid I’m actually laughing right now. :|
            …It’s Waru or WaRu…I don’t remember it’s been ages.
            I don’t even know why I’m still responding to you.
            Enough!
            FYI I’m trying to enjoy the conversations here in Disqus/Siliconera so I suggest you bring your silly accusations elsewhere.
            tsktsk *sigh*

  • Lexaus_the_Alchemist

    Not bad. I do hope Kamitani ends up using some of those designs on his studio’s next fantasy title (though personally I hope their next game is sci-fi, but that’s for another discussion…).

    Pantless knight is an interesting choice (though those could just be skin tone colored tights underneath… >.> just saying). My inner perv approves!

    Also, didn’t know Kamitani worked on art direction for Fantasy Earth Zero. Now I know why I found that game fascinating.

  • ChiffonCake

    Nice. You can really see how Kamitani’s art has evolved since then.

  • Mrgrgr and Unacceptable World

    It is really nice seeing that some game from Dreamcast legacy is able to come to this current game generation.^_^

  • TheExile285

    Thank god they changed the designs,

    • ElAbuelo69

      You prefer ‘dem HUGE knockers?

      • ShadowDivz

        You…don’t?
        *tilts head*

  • vileBrenman

    Wow this game has been in the works for a while!

  • Manny Being Manny

    I gotta say I prefer the old Sorceress, its not so excessive.

  • Ubermench

    “Dragon’s Crown used 3D models”

    U mad, bro.

  • Nitraion

    Sorceress and Wizard in their younger days :>
    Wow Knight not hold back with her clothing fetish.. :O
    That’s why her brother replace her now :V

  • thaKingRocka

    I kind of like these more subdued designs better. Also, DC 4 LIFE. :P

  • Happy Gamer

    It looks very “vanilla” vanillaware art lol. Back in Princess Crown days. I am proud to be an owner of that game when it came out :)

    Naturally, the evolved art I really love, but the original ain’t too shabby and brings out some nostolgia

  • Robgoro

    Maybe it’s just me having grown up in the Nineties, but I do like the design of the 1998 sorceress much better.

  • SlickRoach

    Interesting designs, and shocked to see how long they had this game in mind. Although I appreciate the new sorceress and her “assets” more :p

  • https://twitter.com/BinksFrost Binks5

    the Dreamcast was so ahead of it’s time they even had a game from the future! I kid but man the dreamcast really was quite a gaming machine

  • http://simplephilistine.wordpress.com/ Arla

    Glad we’re getting it now. It probably wouldn’t have been localized if it was on dreamcast; it would also look a lot uglier since it would’ve used polygons. The new designs are also much better.

  • Kelohmello

    Man, why’d you have to bring up Fantasy Earth Zero and make me cry.

    But I’m glad it wasn’t for the Dreamcast. Because then I would never have gotten to play it.

  • http://queensblade.net/index.php/characters/cattleya gulabjamuns

    So basically I think this thread boiled down to another one of those threads full of pro-boobs vs anti-boobs comments, lol (with a side dish of “where’s her pants?”). Admit it or not, however you put it, it’s always about the boobs (or just sex). Loved or hated but never ever ignored. :3

    Or maybe there’s just quite a large amount of moe fans around here, lol.

    Personally, boobs or not, for all three characters shown here, I much more prefer what they look like now in the upcoming game. Even the knight. I just prefer the more adult looking characters over these softer, cuter designs. I also find the newer designs more unique in their style while 1998 stuff seems a lot more derivative (aside from those pants I guess, lol). And the new designs seem almost Frazetta and D&D inspired (as many have said before), which suits the game’s over all atmosphere, setting, and style more, imo (while the old ones seem more suitable for a traditional RPG to me).

    • puchinri

      I think most of this goes beyond the boobs argument. Actually, I think it’s mostly a nostalgia aspect/argument.

      • http://queensblade.net/index.php/characters/cattleya gulabjamuns

        Well of course there can be other arguments made besides a boobs argument, and I see that you did post about the nostalgia aspect for you (I guess what looks too derivative to one person can be seen as nostalgic to another), but still I said what I said because I felt I saw too many posts just referring specifically to the Sorceress.

        • puchinri

          I do think a lot of those even boil down to the feeling she evokes as a whole more than anything to do with her bust (she especially reminds me of their classic characters, and I see that in some of the comments too).

    • AuroraMoon

      I’m totally fine with Boobs and asses myself. I don’t mind if they turn out to be nudists who happen to be really good at fighting to a point where they don’t really need armor or clothes for protection. After all, nudity itself does not equal sex.
      HOWEVER!!! It does suspend my sense of disbelief when they’re running around like this: “Oh hey, let me be overly sexy as possible… flashing my tits and asses at the same time for the viewer, and maybe you’ll even occasionally see my vagina too! I’m gonna pose like a porn star for no good reason while fighting monsters!!”
      It’s like, why the over-sexualization? And WHO are they posing for in a dark dungeon by themselves? It’s like… they might as well as make a hentai game where the guys don’t have to play much, just put a hand down their pants and fap to the images.
      The game makers should go to a nudist colony one day… see how people act natural while naked, if they want to have naked women acting naturally in their games. This way they can have all the tits and asses they want but without it being over-the-top. :P

      • http://queensblade.net/index.php/characters/cattleya gulabjamuns

        Hmm, well, that’s you’re own perspective on the matter. I don’t see the sorceress or characters liker her in that way at all, I see the whole thing in a far more positive light. It just seems to me that you’re picking out strange aspects of a character just to support the idea you already have about her to begin with. Posing in dark dungeons? In most (Japanese) video games pretty much every character pulls some kind of pose for what appears to be no one in the middle of nowhere (take any fighting game for example). What does it matter if it’s a sexual pose or not? That doesn’t make her posing any more or less strange than another character’s.

        I’m also sick of people relating any overtly sexual women to “porn stars”… sorry, but I’m just honestly taking your posts as a bunch of ignorant “slut shaming”. :/ And you’re asking for total realism in one aspect you don’t agree with in a game full to the brim with fantasy and impossibilities.

        “It’s like… they might as well as make a hentai game where the guys
        don’t have to play much, just put a hand down their pants and fap to the
        images.”

        Don’t you see that there’s a ton of guys who don’t find stuff like that or porn as erotic in the slightest? The sorceress as she is in the game can be seen as better than any amount of porn to a lot of guys out there. The “it might as well be full on porn/hentai” argument just shows extreme ignorance to me, because it makes the assumption that all people who like “ecchi” or sexual elements in media automatically find porn as better and more sexy.

        Besides, you kind of took my post the wrong way to begin with. I was simply making an observation about how whither people have a problem with boobs or not, when it comes to “female characters with breasts” considered “not normal”, 99% of people can’t seem to ignore commenting on anything but her chest wither it’s positively or negatively, pretty much making it a fact that pretty much everyone has what they call a “shallow” mind.

        I honestly wish there were more male characters like the sorceress made for female gamers, though. I really think too many women are left out of something that ought to be seen as delicious icing on a cake (and especially in this case, a very well made and already delicious cake). If women really do have this secretive sexual libido I’ve read so much about then when is there finally gonna be some women who want to get in on all this fun and share their own fantasies with the world? Like the anime “Free!”, I totally supported that, even signed the petition.

        • AuroraMoon

          Ah, but the difference between normal posing and the sexy posing is this: It would be considered perfectly normal to have a victory dance/pose/whatever if you wanted to celebrate being alive at the end of the battle, with all your enemies defeated.
          So it would not push my suspension of disbelief to have some chick posing with her sword going: “Yeah, I’m so bad ass!”

          Whereas with the sexual poses… well normally a woman would only do that if there was somebody she wanted to bed badly. So as a female player one can’t help but wonder who it is that she’s trying to seduce. You totally mistook my comments to be “Slut-shaming” when it wasn’t even about that at all! I was talking about how that sort of thing personally takes me right out of the game world that I’m trying to enjoy and put myself into.
          It’s like I would be thinking: “Wow, this world is so detailed and awesome! I can really relate to this character, I don’t care if she’s practically naked– wait, why is she acting so seductively? Is there somebody on the team that she wants to boink? uh… all of them are acting like this. just who are they trying to seduce?!”
          it’s just an distraction.

          I honestly wouldn’t care if most of the female characters were half-naked or a nudist of sorts as long as they acted more natural. like: “What’s up? okay, let’s go defeat some enemies!”
          and less of this: *walks seductively, poses as to show off both tits and asses at the same time.* “Oh baby! all this fighting is getting me so hot and bothered…*licks lips, moans*”
          It’s just a distraction when I’m trying to mentally put myself into that game world and trying to relate to the characters.

  • Warboss Aohd

    what, we don’t get da lion man? dat suckz.

  • AndyLC

    Those orcs are great, they’re something straight outta Warhammer

  • puchinri

    I kind of like those designs more. Or, the atmosphere of them at least. But that’s probably because they remind me of Vanillaware’s older stuff more.

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