Tecmo Koei Was Seriously Thinking About Making Zombie Warriors

By Spencer . August 23, 2013 . 1:53am

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Koei Canada was formed to develop games for Western markets. The studio made Fatal Inertia and later tried to make a Western Warriors game. Before they settled on Warriors: Legends of Troy, Zombie Warriors was being considered.

 

"Before we made Warriors: Legends of Troy, one of the ideas we had at the time was a zombie warriors game. There were ideas like that on the table," Dynasty Warriors director Akihiro Suzuki said to Siliconera.

 

As a series, Dynasty Warriors continues to grow in Asia, especially Japan. However, the series seems to have shrunk in the West since some games like Dynasty Warriors 7: Empires were only released as digital downloads.

 

"Yes, in Asia the series is really big. In the West, there has been a decline, but it isn’t a steep drop. It seems like general users have declined, but core fans are still interested in the series," Suzuki confirmed. I asked how he plans to expand the Dynasty Warriors brand outside Asia. "It’s going to be difficult to gain new users from the story itself. We’re focusing on action elements, adding new weapons to Dynasty Warriors 8 and different attacks each weapon can do. When you think of Chinese history it’s mostly swords and spears, but Dynasty Warriors has many different weapons and I think we can refine the action elements to make the games appeal more to Westerners." Suzuki also said doing collaborations like the 7up armor costume for Dynasty Warriors 8 helps bring attention to the series in Japan.

 

It seems like there are always more Dynasty Warriors games and Suzuki is always working on an expansion, a port, or the next main title. Since Suzuki worked on other games like Trinity: Souls of Zill O’ll and Bladestorm, I asked if he ever gets tired of making Dynasty Warriors games.

 

"Yeah, like you said I have made different games like Trinity [Souls of Zill O'll] and Bladestorm. These haven’t been as successful as Dynasty Warriors, though. I do try to new things every once in awhile and I would like to try different things, but I know my strentgths are with Dynasty Warriors," replied Suzuki. I followed up and asked if he would created a new IP for the coming generation of consoles. "I can’t make any official announcements, but it is something I’m considering."


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  • WyattEpp

    I’m glad they changed their minds. Zombies have jumped every sort of shark imaginable at this point.

    • Ixbran

      if you read the entire interview, Suzuki says its an idea hes still considering. So it could possibly still happen.

    • dragoon_slayer12

      Would’ve have been cool to see zombie limbs flying everywhere with every swipe of the blade.

  • Barrylocke89

    The sad thing is that I can totally see a Zombie Warriors game working. Smashing your way through the horde to get to the leader, it works for zombies. But it would also be very “ME TOO, we’re cool too right guys?…right?” It also would have been very easy, since zombies are still popular in both the east and west.

    But in the long run I think it’s important for a series that wants to do well in its market to stand out be unique. A Hack-and-slash zombie game is anything but that.

  • Mar Mar

    Is it just me or are zombie-themed games becoming ridiculously more popular than before? I open up Google Play Store and most of it is zombie.. stuff.

    There is already Dead Rising right? Haven’t play it really.

    • leingod

      The problem with zombie games is that there aren’t many that are particularly good since the PS1 days. Dead Rising is sounding better and better by the day, though.

      • Ixbran

        also most games involving Zombies are FPS games, not everyone likes those. So i could see it working.

    • Testsubject909

      They’ve been becoming more popular for years now. I remember people saying similar things to your statement a few years before.

  • $7573679

    Was it not called Lollipop Chainsaw?

  • leingod

    Zombies huh? The idea itself sucks, but if you think about it, most of the time troops in Dynasty Warriors are as dumb as zombies. Still, didn’t work for Yakuza so it probably won’t work for Dynasty Warriors either.

    Anyway! To gain audience in the west maybe the combat should be less button-mashy and more complex (with parries, dodges, etc), with troops being smarter instead of numerous… but I can’t see that ever happening.

    Whatever the case, I still want a DW or SW game for next-gen consoles. Even if I didn’t like the series much at first, my growing interest in that particular chinese period and its stories has helped me enjoy them a lot more as of late.

    • Luis Edgar Flores Gutierrez

      By the “west”, you mean the rest of the world, or only in the U.S.?

      • leingod

        I mean from Europe to the Americas and Australia, what’s commonly perceived as “west”

        • Luis Edgar Flores Gutierrez

          By Japanese and sometimes American reckoning, the “West” is mostly the U.S., being the U.S. Japan’s senior.

          • leingod

            Well I didn’t mean just the US. I’m not even from the US.

  • Ixbran

    Tecmo already did that: Undead Knights for the PSP.

    though, it was more you making armies of the undead to fight your enemies, than fighting zombies your self. You dont fight zombies your self till late in the game.

  • http://LevelUpGeneration.blogspot.com/ KALiverin

    Getting reeeeeeeeeal tired of zombies right now

    • Kai2591

      I second that feeling of reeeeeeal tired-ness

    • $36598391

      Brains!

      • zaidandzhadow

        Roflmao, i was closing the tab and returned just to upvote your comment.

    • Testsubject909

      People have been exclaiming that quite a few years ago you know.

      The zombie trend doesn’t seem to be going anywhere though and will probably remain for a few more years.

  • Judgephoenix

    I remember a report on the news about the reason so much Zombie themes like movies and games pop up was due to the low state of the economy. No clue what they meant by that but they did the report lol.

  • https://twitter.com/BinksFrost Binks5

    while zombies themselves are being overused, dynasty zombies sounds pretty wicked

    • zaidandzhadow

      It could do the negative math though, overused + overused = new

  • MrJechgo

    No, no, no, no, nonononononononononono, please no!
    The zombie mode has been done countless times and has been shoved in too many games. We need LESS of them, not more…

    EDIT: ok, maybe if there’s a new character in Warriors Orochi who’s a necromancer and can make zombies, ghouls and skeletons appear, then fine, but not the run-of-the-mill zombie mode. Beside, for the Warriors game, just go with Demon Invasion mode. Have them make alternate demonic looks to the characters and it will be cooler than zombies.

  • PersonaSpace

    Instead of Zombies the fine folks at Tecmo Koei should considering making a Musou style game with characters from League of Legends or Persona…

    Okay probably a bad idea, but I’d play it.

    • http://s1.zetaboards.com/Espada_of_Alexandria/index/ konpon568

      A better title would be “Valve Warriors” with the cast from Half-Life, Team Fortress, Portal, DOTA, Left 4 Dead, etc.

      • Warboss Aohd

        Orochi is pullin’ all sorts o’ people into hiz world lately.

  • Godmars

    Sorry, but how is that going to be different from any other DW?

    • Testsubject909

      Details man. Details. Your statement can literally be seen as:

      “Sorry, but how is God of War going to be different from Devil May Cry”

      or “Sorry, but how is Resistance going to be different from Killzone?”

      and the likes. Because right now you’re giving me a broad definition and asking me how one broad definition, that is to say, a game with no specifics of the game’s content so I must assume you’re talking about the large meat of the game being the hack and slash action portion, and asking how the next installment, which is another hack and slash action game, going to be different.

      And then slapping that across the entire franchise.

      To which I might note… Dynasty Warriors 2 featured extremely large maps which required meticulous takedowns and was heavy on controlling the battlefield especially early in game, as character growth was rather slow and made turning yourself into a one man army a rather arduous task at first, giving it a highly different feel from the more recent Dynasty Warriors games.

      Dynasty Warriors 5 in contrast is far more rapid in pacing and in combat without going overboard and also had Musou Rage, a system unique to itself until Dynasty Warriors 8 returned it though introduced it as a sort of limit break that accumulated much like the Musou special bar which you can compare to the special bars of fighting game.

      Dynasty Warriors 7 introduced Aerial Musou to select characters which in turn gave an edge as a juggle interrupt but also as an important threat from enemy characters and weapon switching which gave a lot of freedom and leeway, utilizing EX attacks to better define each character’s unique traits and specialties, though unfortunately it did make the sensation of clone characters a bit prevalent especially if you possess a very limited quantity of favored weapons that you’d opt to always stick to.

      Dynasty Warriors 8 provided many changes that are very welcome. The horseback mounting in movement for example is something you’d mainly notice if you’re a long time player much like how you’d notice certain changes in an action game like DMC that as a long time player you’d understand can radically change an aspect of the game.

      That one detail makes the game’s focus on fluid action all the clearer, removing something that often caused you to stop all movement to proceed to a quicker movement now turns into a very fluid process which in turn opens up more possibilities for mixed ground combat, horseback mounted combat and aerial combat from dismount to jump attacks.

      With the weapon variety also came a loot collection style with various randomized weapon passive skills combined with weapon classes which play a rock paper scissors type of game in providing advantages and disadvantages. Of which the counter system was altered and implemented into that very same system and paired to the weapon switching system of Dynasty Warriors 7 which was taken and upgraded as such in Dynasty Warriors 8 thanks to this specific detail. This also provided the new Rush attack which further enhances the power play and the one man army mentality that the Warriors series has been pushing, but in turn has also increased the risk of all generals and commanders in the game as every enemy has the ability to switch weapons and to make use of those very same advantages that you, as a player, possess.

      Also with the implementation of Aerial Musou and Alternate Musou to all characters rather then to select characters as well as the multiple musou bar feature,

      Also, since Dynasty Warriors 7 introduced the ability to equip any weapon, each character can now identify themselves not to their default weapon, but rather to the specials that they provide which is in the form of their unique EX attack and their Musou attack, which still provides them a unique feel to one another, not just visually but in terms of gameplay. There are also non-combat movement type skills which are provided as well that is to note for greater debt in controlling your character which was not present in Dynasty Warriors 7.

      It’s not the same as the Character Type system of Warriors Orochi, but it doesn’t need to be, as these multiple differences in the core system from Dynasty Warriors to Samurai Warriors to Orochi Warriors and to any other Warriors games gives them all a unique feel from one another despite similar cores.

      ….I could go on by the way.

  • d19xx

    Western licensing could help. Get Marvel, DC or Cartoon Network characters in a musou game, could help expand their fanbase outside Japan.

    • Göran Isacson

      … A Marvel Musou game actually sounds really, really cool. Not sure if it would work well though, it may be the case that the Western audience would lean more towards the gameplay i ngames like Marvel Alliance. Perhaps Cartoon Network would be a better choice for the Warriors series brand of overthetop hundreds of enemies defeated in the flashiest manner possible-style… I think that Warriors might be a bit too “anime” to really appeal to the majority of the Marvel and/or DC audience.

      • J_Joestar

        how about “Avatar: The Last Airbender” ?
        -Large armies? check
        -Large named cast? check
        -Variety of highly aesthetically pleasing combat styles? check
        They could easily have a story mode that follows Aang’s journey. Then a fantasy/dream mode that can include past Avatars of previous eras with Korra as a guest (since you have to leave space for a potential sequel).

        I’d play it just for Mark Hamil voiced Ozai.

        • Keiji Johnson

          That would be even more awesome! You should try pitching that idea to them.

        • Göran Isacson

          … Holy hell. On the one hand that is, to me, absolutely brilliant. On the ooother hand it may not be very compatible with Avatar The Last Airbenders more philosophical and contemplative style. Like… seeing Aang take out enemies numbering in the hundreds? I’m not saying it wouldn’t be cool to play, but man what a break from the character…

          THEN AGAIN they did already make some Avatar the Last Airbender games in which I guess Aang has to fight enemies so the concept isn’t ENTIRELY canon-breaking.

          But THEN AGAIN AGAIN maybe those games were more about following the story, and Warriors games are usually more about traversing war zones and wrecking the shit of entire armies.

          BUT THEN AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN I have to admit that the temptation of a game where I can play as Aang, or Katara, or Sokka, or the dangerous ladies, or maybe some more unexpected characters like Zhao or Ozai or maybe Jet is so huge that it would honestly be really damn cool anyways, so what the hell- I’d throw my support behind that concept.

          • Testsubject909

            Or, you know, assume that the enemies falling down unconscious aren’t getting killed but rather are getting beaten up to an unconscious state.

          • Göran Isacson

            True, that’s probably how they would swing it. Though I wonder now, where there ever any scenes where the Gaang fought big armies and beat people up by the hundreds? I guess it’s mostly that that I’m waffling on about, that the sight of a single kid defeating enormous armies “gel” with The Last Airbenders style and atmosphere.

  • Brandonmkii

    I’d play a Zombie Musou. I haven’t played a zombie game in forever.

  • Hraesvelgr

    I don’t think zombies would make the games more popular in the west, personally. They should definitely consider some options to try and make western gamers more interested, but they should also try to avoid alienating their fanbase in Asia. That kind of thing hasn’t worked that well for Capcom and Square Enix.

  • Learii

    if this happen I hope they make the zombies very AGGRESSIVE so there will be more action not just like all other DW where the army run to you and stand there then hit you and wait for like 10 sec to hit

  • Göran Isacson

    Or we could do what Moviebob would want: A Civil War Warriors game for the Americans! Personally, I would buy and laugh heartilly at that game.

    • Suicunesol

      Actually, that might prove popular with the Japanese audience instead. They have a certain fascination with Western history.

      • Göran Isacson

        Huh. Perhaps it could work over there as well. I mean heck, I would play a game about Abraham Lincoln fighting armies of Yankees using a log, and only a log. It could be cool.

        • Suicunesol

          And I would pick the unlockable character Lincoln’s wife, Mary Todd Lincoln, who would be an attractive, young babe in a skimpy union uniform wielding dual sewing pins.

          • Göran Isacson

            Oh lord they would go there, wouldn’t they?… yes. Yes they totally would. And she would sew up her enemies in restrictive lashes and then stab the hell out of them. And people would latch onto that part and make a bunch of doujins where she sew-ties up Lincoln aaand I think I don’t want to go down this rabbit hole anymore.

  • Just Tim

    I’ll frustratingly admit that when I called out this obsession with zombies as necrophilia, I even got called a “conspiracy theorist” right here in Siliconera.

    However, over the course of two years, I was indeed proven correct.

    Back on topic, the Warriors franchise formula makes really well-made movie licenses.

    I’ll namedrop The Warriors and Braveheart as nice beat-em-ups and hack & slashes with the Warriors formula, respectively.

  • icedearthaholic

    Well, if they were to include Fatal Frame cameos in the game, I’d totally be cool with that. :)

  • forweg

    Screw new IPs, Koei needs to revive some of the classic strategy games they used to specialize in, like Dynasty Tactics and Kessen.

    But the Three Kingdoms and Sengoku eras are so rich and fascinating that I wouldn’t mind if they released 100 games about each every year. Western game journalists need to stop whining about their distaste for Asian history.

    • Testsubject909

      I still remember Kessen 2…

      ….

      Liu Bei madly in love with Diao Chan. Oh the pain of that opening and just how confused I felt when I first saw it.

      It was hilarious too mind you. Just… very off.

      And Dynasty Tactics was a wonderful game. It’d be nice to see an ROTK that would take the roleplaying freedom of ROTK X, the more personal down and dirty combat of the Warriors games, the larger Tactics system paired with the Warriors Empire games for massive combat setup and general battles which would transition to the down and dirty combat portion mentioned prior and etc etc…

      • Warboss Aohd

        we need a new Kessen…..something dat mixez Kessen 1 and 2 mechanics wise, with free battles, maybe runnin’ an’ Empire instead of just battles…..a different point an’ time in History.

  • Riseabovethesky

    I always thought the blue peons in Warriors Orochi looked like zombies.

    • Testsubject909

      Yeah, they did. They’re meant to be, probably, low class ogres but they do indeed look pretty zombified.

  • fireguardiancoty

    I’m sure a physical copy would prevent a decline. ;)

    • Testsubject909

      Reviewers bashing a game solely because it’s of a genre that they’re not accustomed or personally interested in or misclassified a game would also work best.

      It’s always quite irritating to hear reviews talk of any sort of lack of innovation or change in a series such as the Warriors game and yet layer praises on other games which gets shipped out in a yearly or bi-yearly process, getting into the minutia of the small details that get altered and at times make mention of some of these alterations as game changing and game defining features that warrants a purchase of the newer game.

      That sort of hypocrisy gets seriously annoying.

      • M’iau M’iaut

        That hypocrisy doesn’t just apply to the JP action games however, it is even more prevalent in the JRPGs. And it is if anything more deeply ingrained in the western gaming culture than the media one. Greenlight is basically a slammed door to anything traditional from Japan and the US indie community is too busy making their ‘meaningful’ games to understand anything different, either.

      • fireguardiancoty

        I don’t really see how that had to do with what I said.

        I’m sure the series does better in Europe than in NA since they actually do a physical release of their games over there as well as advertising.

  • Testsubject909

    I’m quite proud to own many of the Dynasty/Samurai/Orochi Warriors Games. But the spin-offs are also well worth your time.

    Sorry. I was dreaming of an Orochi Warriors Empire game.

    • Warboss Aohd

      and i Kessen Orochi.

  • Skode

    The Walking Dead Warriors, yeah that could work heh. Seriously though not sure im sold on the idea even if it does look like the west is obsessed with zombies given how companies are pandering to them with GOTY awards for a zombie story game, a tie in to zombie tv series, the biggest selling series out there tacking on zombie modes and even a zombie game exclusive ti the Xbox One (a western aimed console all the way).

    Personally to break it up they have the right idea with tie ins… Gundam, Fist of North Star, Troy, One Piece etc but need something with more western punch – license Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones and i think they will be sorted.

    • Göran Isacson

      … I think that Lord of The Ring-Warriors could really work. Game of Thrones-fans would probably rebel if you could have a game where you control Joffrey running around with a sword cutting down enemies by the hundreds… although if it turns out that it’s all just a vain dream of his, they might come around…

  • Michaelius

    That would be a zombie game that could actually work quite nicely.

  • Zonron

    id buy 2 copies and another vita just for this game(a random friend of mine would get the other vita and game for free)

  • Warboss Aohd

    Zombie Warriors? yes

    Walking Dead Warriors? Zog Yes!

    seriously, i’d be all over dat! So would Jim Sterling i bet.

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