Persona Q: Shadow Of The Labyrinth’s Story Is Canon

By Spencer . June 20, 2014 . 3:30am

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Atlus USA showed off a Japanese build of Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth behind closed doors during E3. On the surface, the Nintendo 3DS game looks like it could be an Etrian Odyssey title since it has first-person dungeons to explore and players can draw their own maps.

 

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The battle system, however,feels more like Persona. When you attack or use a skill a character leaps on to the screen to slash or cast a spell. Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth rewards players that exploit enemy weaknesses with a Boost. Characters with Boost status can use any skill without spending SP and they get to attack first.

 

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Players pick a team of five characters from Persona 3 and Persona 4 to bring with them. Each character has a unique Persona, but new for Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth are Sub-Personas which you can equip. The only characters that don’t have Personas are the newcomers, Zen and Rei. The two of them take up one slot in your party. Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth lets players save their favorite parties for easy access.

 

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When you start Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth, you can either pick the Persona 3 or Persona 4 side. By the end of the first dungeon, players will have access to the entire roster of characters regardless of what storyline you pick. I saw two dungeons in Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth. The first one was a dark take on Alice in Wonderland and the second was based on the group date cafe from Persona 4.

 

The biggest takeaway is that Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth is canon, a representative from Atlus USA explained. However, the representative could not explain why the game is canon, since that would supposedly be a story spoiler.

 

Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth is slated for release this fall in North America.


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  • Kami nii

    Wait What? How?!!! Please Explain!! :D

    PS:The Biggest Question will be is that if this is canon then Makoto should be dead even before the festival starts its confusing to say this is canon its a big ripple in the timeline

    • Astraye

      He is still alive, same for shinji at this point, it’s happening on september.

    • AlphaSixNine

      At this point Makoto is still alive. Considering this game apparently happened at both P3/P4 Culture festivals. We know in P3, the Culture Festival was cancelled and MC got sick for days and in P4 the festival went well. I know it’s odd since they are in different points in time. That’s the first thing PQ needs to answer. How did both teams meet at this particular point of their own times. Most likely one of them time traveled, but how though.

    • Shippoyasha

      To reveal more is to spoil the entire thing though. Just play it when it comes out. Maybe the least spoilerific way to describe it is that the Velvet Room inhabitants aren’t affected by time. So think about what that means with them having a more central role in this game.

  • http://geekorner.wordpress.com/ Geekorner

    Just like Persona 4 Arena. I like that they expand the world like this. Not mandatory, but nice for those of us who want more.

  • transferstudentx

    wait canon how is that ….what how ?

    • DyLaN

      Time travel and most likely a handy retcon button..

      • Skeptika Crediblus

        I read that as “rectum button” and nearly spit out my coffee.

  • Land of Green Pasture

    Mind=Blown

    • Skeptika Crediblus

      Mind=Zero.

      :P

  • Astraye

    We already knew that the game takes place during the cultural festival for both games.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNDum2gjeH4&list=UUDKOsemhPLrK4JnsZqkxHLA

    • AlphaSixNine

      I don’t think that’s what he means by it being canon. From the beginning that detail could have been just a convenient excuse for ATLUS to spin-off the story. They could have just taken that part of the story and created a new one from there. It could have never actually happened in P4/P3, I mean we played P3/P4 and didn’t get to see this. But now by saying PQ is canon confirms the events here actually did happen in both games we were just never shown. How that will work is what I want to know and I am wondering what this “side story” did to the story of P4 and P3.

      Now I’m more excited :3

      • Abysswalker90

        The fact that the P3 cast still doesn’t know anything about the Velvet Room by the end of the game kind of questions the canon-ness of this story…

        • Astraye

          They lost their memories, it seems pretty obvious.

        • AlphaSixNine

          Nobody really ever knows anything about the velvet room even back to P1 and P2. P3 cast at least got to see it at the end of The Answer.

    • Tweetums

      But wasn’t the culture festival cancelled and Minato/P3prot bedridden for the duration due to the typhoon that hit the area?

      –unless of course that’s gonna be a plotpoint

      • Astraye

        yeah, but it still happens at that date as you can see in the video, maybe they chose exactly the moment when minato is sick, we don’t know what happened those days.

  • transferstudentx

    maybe they well explain it like this the event did happen to both parties but at the end they both forgotten all about it something like this yea ?

    • articuzwolf

      same as Naruto movie…Naruto met with his father (before the event in the manga) due to some bullshit circumtances they all are conveniently forget everything that happened…

  • James Enk

    very excited for this, love EO love SMT, what i am really curious to find out what changes will bring to the game our choice of protagonist

  • CozyAndWarm

    Hoping the difficulty level isn’t drastically lowered compared to EO games. Although the Persona and EO audiences are entirely different….

    • http://keiserone.tumblr.com/ KeiserOne

      There are several difficulty levels, and I heard the hardest really is challenging. Persona/SMT games usually get easier as the game progresses due to the sheer number of demons/personas you have; so it’s more of a “keeping the challenge thoughout the game” thing I’m always concerned of.

  • revenent hell

    Wasn’t it told the story was canon a while ago?
    And I would still like to know HOW it is. It doesn’t seem like the game fits in anywhere between the games cohesively, even though I am sure it does by “movie magic”, so I think ultimately the characters would end up “forgetting” this episode in time .
    For this game I wouldn’t mind spoiling myself to know every detail about it since I kind of had no real interest in it before it was claimed as canon, I saw it in the same light as the Dancing all Night thing.

  • William Trengove

    WHAT? I can’t wait to see how they explain this…

  • Postnjam

    Now, since we’ve seen sheep in one of the trailers, is Catherine canon in the persona 3/4 universe?

    • Shippoyasha

      I’m guessing Catherine is canon considering Vincent is in the bar in P3P.

      • RinaDawg

        I’m pretty sure it was stated that he was just a Vincent lookalike.

        • Shippoyasha

          Yeah. There are a lot of theories floating around. I still don’t think it is a an oversight though.

      • sillyfudgemonkeys

        The stated that the P3P!Vincent at the bar was a “fake Vincent” (he has a mole and Catherine!Vincent doesn’t)….but it doesn’t entirely mean that the actual/Catherine!Vincent isn’t back in America (where the game takes place I believe) during that time. But I think it was stated Catherine doesn’t have anything to do with the MegTen Universe and I am certain Persona is part of that universe…..so Catherine isn’t? Despite being made by the Persona team….which I think is a shame cause I want a PersonaxCatherine crossover/more cameos. XD DX

  • Pdugna

    My question is if this game is Cannon, Why hasn’t somebody from the real team over in Japan say it’s? We were told P4D and P4U were Cannon pretty early, but they never said anything about Persona Q

    • ManSizeSextet

      They also never said it WASN’T canon. That was just something people assumed due to the plot events. But there was always a way around that. If fighting shadows by dancing can lead to a canonical event then so can the events of PQ, honestly.

      • Shippoyasha

        Considering how Persona 4 Arena is canonical, it really isn’t surprising. Plus, the only ‘iffy’ element is the assumption that P3 and P4 happen chronologically one after the another (which is true, I would still wager). But all that goes out of the window if we take the Velvet Room inhabitants and them being unaffected by time into it. There’s plenty of ways all these games can come together and be canonical.

    • Skeptika Crediblus

      It’s “canon” with one “n” in the middle. The other kind fires stuff out of one end….

  • Hexodious

    >Rep from USA claims it’s canon
    >Cant explain the reason why

    I’m not buying this, still non-canon in my book, I would be nice if they finally start EXPLAINING stuff regarding the Persona series, it’s been one hangover after the other after the original Persona 4.

    • Astraye

      if they tell you the reason they will spoil, are you stupid ?

      • Hexodious

        They showed off Ultimax at E3 which is at itself full of spoilers, even those trailers is shown full of spoilers.

        I don’t care what you think, still non-canon in my book until it’s explained, if you buy into this crap, it’s entirely up to you.

        • Astraye

          yeah well, why should we care, we are going to buy it and enjoy the story which is officially canon and we will understand why while you can keep sulking.

          • Hexodious

            I already know the ending and it doesn’t tie together on how it makes it canon.

            Not canon until proven. Have a nice day.

          • Fidelis

            Not really sure how much more “proven” it can get than an official statement. You can believe it’s not canon, and you can believe the earth is flat. Facts are facts despite denial, dude.

          • Hexodious

            Facts? I don’t see any facts here, official statements are facts now? Don’t be such a suck up. I know the ending, I know the game. It doesn’t tie to the canon story. If they can’t explain shit than I have no reason to suck up to someone who mere states a statement without reason.

          • Fidelis

            Official statements have always been facts. If that wasn’t the case, the whole concept of continuity in any franchise would just be fans fighting about what they think is right.

            Sucking up has nothing to do with it. Plotholes or no, it is officially part of the Persona 3/4 timeline. Whether or not you accept it really doesn’t matter in the absolute slightest bit.. You and I, we’re just consumers. We don’t have a role in deciding what is or isn’t canon. That choice is ultimately up to the powers that be.

            I can understand how you feel, but you being stubborn about it won’t change a thing. Star Wars expanded universe is now officially noncanon. I’ve decided that for my own enjoyment, I’ll keep considering it canon, but I can accept the fact that it’s actually not a part of the timeline anymore.

          • Hexodious

            And what’s the difference? They explained WHY the expansion is non-canon. What does this rep say?
            “Yo, Persona Q is canon, see you next time!”
            I can accept official statement from the DEVELOPERS, but from it’s localization department? Nah.
            I’ll replay the game in English when it’s comes out and then decide if it’s canon or not, if in the mean time the developers comes out and say it’s canon with a reason without spoiling to much, i’ll accept that as a fact. Official statements aren’t always right, just like how a rep from USA said in a official statement that Arena would be non-canon but later turned out to be canon form the Persona Team’s own mouth.

    • Ouch My Head Said Dionysus

      canon or not, the plot just seems…boring

    • sillyfudgemonkeys

      I’m not sure what you mean by “hangover” (cliff-hanger?). But maybe I can help a little, with small spoilers of course so if you don’t want to know don’t keep reading I (not really a spoiler perse cause it happens in the opening of the game and a lot of it is speculation come true). The reason is time-travel and memory wipe (something that happen in P2 as well). Both casts get ripped from their respective timelines to 10 years into the past and/or they get flung into an alternate world/dimension (kinda like P1′s whole story) that resembles 10 years ago. The reason WHY it’s canon and WHY they don’t remember WHY Atlus “can’t say” is probably it won’t just spoil this game’s ending but probably a later game (like Ultimax) as well. Which is probably why they even bothered making this game in the first place, so they could tie it in later. My source for most of this information is the spoiler blog, as well as speculation since the first trailer (not just mine, but other’s, and it seems that they are indeed correct). I hope this could help, if you have more questions I can try to answer them. :3

  • Shippoyasha

    It’s not that hard to believe considering the closed space the game takes place in, plus it is a convenient timing in the stories where it could be canonical in both P3 and P4 when the characters are whisked away. I’ve been following Persona Q’s story recently and it does make sense. It doesn’t hugely impact the events of either P3 or P4 anyway.

  • Tetris

    Holy crap! :0

  • articuzwolf

    Waiting for the localization and I hope there’s some impact from the Q story to the P3 and P4 timeline not just

    “oh those things happened but due to some convenient memory erasing process, no-one conveniently remember a thing”

    because that’s the same as, “yes, we will make this one canon even though it affect nothing to the story…so please buy it”

    • ManSizeSextet

      Memory wiping is the only way I can see this being canonical though.

      • Mirai

        Agreed I don’t see any other way on how this could be canon otherwise.

      • C_Diamond

        Yeah, i believe the p3 cast never met the p4 cast in arena.

      • articuzwolf

        I just realised, How they wipe Elizabeth’s memory in the first place? Margaret is fine since we didn’t see her in the event of P4Arena…Unless there’s more to Igor than just an Old man with a long nose LOL

    • C_Diamond

      Was about to say the same thing.
      Persona juice is nice and all but it’s about time they use new ingredients.

    • XaviIniesta

      That’s pretty much what I expect will happen. Although perhaps they’ll leave one person remembering everything, Aigis or Elizabeth for example, and she doesn’t mention it to the others since they forgot. That would be a nice touch to still keep the event present in the other games.

      • astroprogs

        Aigis didn’t recognize the P4 cast in Arena though.

      • articuzwolf

        Aigis don’t remember a thing when she first met P4 cast in the event of P4 Arena…Elizabeth (as hax as she was potrayed) also don’t remember a thing about P4 Cast, in fact she was there because she’s curious with Yu’s power
        Leaving only the Ol’man Igor to tie the knot

        • Fidelis

          Whoops! Misunderstood your comment. You make a grand point

    • decus

      But the events would affect the story even with memory wipe. There is always more to an overarching story than what the characters remember of it, is probably the point atlus is making. It being canon means it did happen, after all.

      • articuzwolf

        and that’s what all am I asking, some implication from Q story to the actual 4/3 universe, doesn’t have to be a big one…as long as they didn’t wipe the memory and then applied timeskip mumbo-jumbo while it happened in the closed-space-universe so EVEN if this thing didn’t happened, nothing will change in the real 4/3 universe

  • notentirelythere

    Why care if it’s canon? P3 and P4 are complete narratives. If the writing’s good and the game works as a meaningful follow-up (or a fun crack OVA), I’m stoked.
    Plus, a canon memory wipe is hard to distinguish from a non-canon one.

    • DyLaN

      To this day I still wonder whether did Atlus recognize the P4: Kiri no Amnesia spin-off LN as canon since it also has memory wipe retcon. Would’ve like to see Soejima doing some bonus art of Shadow Saki and Mayumi :/

      • notentirelythere

        There’s no English translation of this lying around the net, is there?

        • DyLaN

          Nope! But if you are lucky you MIGHT be able to get a chinese copy if you can read that.

  • Ni ~Algidus~

    someone messing with amala network is the a way that i can see this happening. or random memory wipe in the end of the game.

  • http://soma4all.tk/ Soma

    I just hope P5 will be set in different universe.

    • articuzwolf

      why? They’ve already spend time building a one robust universe
      as long as they didn’t spend too much time in either P4 or P3 cast and focusing on P5 cast…I don’t see the problem
      Same as the original P4 game, IIRC only one character (Chihiro) from P3 appears
      Cool cameo of either P3/P4 cast walking around in the background for a mere second is cool

      • Ouch My Head Said Dionysus

        I’m pretty tired of it, to be honest. That’s just me personally, though. I prefer the Mikage-cho/Sumaru universe due to its slightly cyberpunk trappings and diverse cast of NPC misfits. Not that I’m saying P5 should return to that…but it’d be nice to see a new approach.

        • articuzwolf

          that can easily be solved by giving the NPC/Cast of P5 the “theme” that you wanted…happening in the same universe means those game happens and those thing are PAST now…
          It doesn’t have to tie everything together to the event in P3/P4 (but they can if they want to)…Such as Event on P4 is barely had anything to do with the event on P3 and vice-versa (except no apocalypse in the P4 of course)

      • http://soma4all.tk/ Soma

        Just an oldman who wants his SMT “grim and dark”. But it will never happen and i don’t blame them.

    • Shippoyasha

      I get the feeling even if that is the case, it’d still be part of the multiverse that is interconnected by the Velvet Room.

  • kylehyde

    To all the people who are asking why this game is canon or want an explaination, please read the whole article before post a comment just after only reading the title

  • Ecchitori-san

    Philemon has something to do with this! I can f*cking feel it!!

    • http://shadious.tumblr.com/ Vince

      Hopefully he’ll be back. I have been hearing that ATLUS seems to be not keen on recasting anyone to replace the late Isamu Tanonoka to inherit the vocal mantle of Igor out of respect to the latter. So, probably Philemon would be back into his guiding ways and manage the matters in the Velvet Room.

    • MrTyrant

      If he’ll be back then I would feel more interesed in the game.

  • Hunnybear

    It will be canon because Zen and Rei will be also in P5! Mark my words dear internet.

    • OlimacFTW

      Sorry, but nope. When you finish the game, you´ll have to retract your comment.

      • Hunnybear

        now I am sad :(

  • Emsa

    Having played the start of the game, there isn’t any reason it can’t be canon. The game connects P3 and P4 at times when all the characters are available, and in regards to no one remembering anythin afterwards, everyone involved losing their memories has been done before in the persona series (Was it Eternal Punishment?). Fun game so far, important scenes have voice-overs so I get most of the stuff that’s happening (Don’t know enough kanji to read well).

    • Ouch My Head Said Dionysus

      Aren’t some of these characters supposed to be dead, though?

      • AlphaSixNine

        This game happens on both P3 and P4 culture featival so no. No one died yet at this time. They are both on different timelines so either one group time travels or both group gets picked off of their timeline and brought somewhere else. It’s best to wait for the game to come out really.

        • Ouch My Head Said Dionysus

          To be honest, I’m probably gonna skip it. I like Etrian Odyssey, and I like Persona, but I like them both for vastly different reasons. I’m not a fan of Q’s visual aesthetic, nor am I particularly enthralled with the setting.

          • AlphaSixNine

            Lol OK. Your choice, not gonna question that.

          • Ouch My Head Said Dionysus

            gawd I’ve just realized what a killjoy naysayer I must sound like! :P i’m such a dweeb. genuinely, I hope everybody who’s looking forward to the game enjoys it a lot.

          • Heaven

            At least you realised it, don’t get why everyone who dislikes it has to try to push their agenda. People enjoy different stuff to others, is that such a crime.

          • Ouch My Head Said Dionysus

            From the bottom of my heart, snobbery ain’t cool! Need to check myself sometimes :)

      • Emsa

        “The game connects P3 and P4 at times when all the characters are available…”

        Q is played out during the school festivals of the two teams. So Q isn’t a sequel, it happens in the middle of the stories of P3 and P4. I haven’t finished it so I don’t know why they don’t remember the events of Q afterwards.

    • Rafael Budzinski

      …but in P2 it is possible only because of the rumor power from Nyarlathotep. To be honest, I’m more curious about the return of Minato/Yuki than the fact that everybody seems to have the Wild Card Ability…not to mention characters like Shinji…

      • ThatGuy3190_7

        *SPOILER*
        On P3′s side, this event occurred during their school festival in September but it was canceled due to a typhoon. At this time, every playable character in P3 was assembled in a team, meaning Minato/Yuki and Shinji were still around.

        • Rafael Budzinski

          …oh, that’s why then. Good to know, I was afraid they’d got careless about the story in name of fanservice…8D

      • decus

        They don’t really have wild card–their main persona stay the same, you can just bolster them with sub-persona. It’s just c/p from EOU only with grimoires instead of persona.

        • Rafael Budzinski

          …I know they don’t, that only the MCs have this power, but I wanna know if the sub-personas will have an explanation story-based, or will be just a game mechanic…

  • Locklear93

    I’ll give Atlus the benefit of the doubt, as no Persona story has let me down yet, but I’ll want some kind of reason why everyone can use multiple persona when that was previously just a Fool arcana ability. It wouldn’t be too hard to establish one, and I’m not out to gotcha or nitpick their reason; I just wouldn’t want it to be ignored when it’s been a standard for so long.

    • Ouch My Head Said Dionysus

      Everybody could use multiple Personas pre-p3

    • sillyfudgemonkeys

      Don’t worry, they do give an explanation. :) It’s in the very beginning and everyone’s surprised that they can do it, but I’m guessing the reason why it’s happening will be explain more thoroughly in game later (we do get a small explanation, but there might be a twist towards the end). Also, P1 and P2 had people use multiple personas (but they had restrictions). So it wasn’t just the Fool that could do it, but the Fool does have more freedom. My source is I’m following a spoiler blog and the person is translating as they play. :3

    • Emd23

      The ability to use multiple Personas isn’t from the Fool Arcana, it’s from having a contract with the Velvet Room. Even if people don’t plan on playing P1/P2, they should at least read up on them….

      • Anime10121

        Skipping the first is understandable but not playing 2 is a disservice to the series entirely! I started with 3 LOVED it, played Golden, liked it, though I liked it less than 3, played 2IS and 2 EP and ZOMG GREATEST PERSONA EVER! And yes, I’m being 100% serious, favorite Persona games are the 2 duology :)

        • Shippoyasha

          I like P4G the best personally, as it makes everything less of a busy work (random generated conditions don’t really add anything than frustration. Also full party control should be a must) and expanded Adachi’s story.

          I am not fond of P2′s gameplay but it does have a pretty good, oldschool SMT plot.

          • Anime10121

            I do like 4′s combat and dungeons the best between 3 and 4, but thats to be expected since 4 is newer and has had more time to build upon and refine 3′s battle system. But I generally just like 3 better for its world, tone, and characters. While 4 indeed had a better playable cast, 3 had Minato, Aigis, Death (not gonna say a name cuz spoilaz), and tatoo’d Jesus, which I liked a whole lot more.

            2 just knocks em both outta the water for me though, plot wise, musically, and gameplay wise (well the PSPmake’s at least) for me. I just loved everything about it, though 3 is a close second.

          • Shippoyasha

            Yeah. I really like them all for differing reasons. P2 is oldschool SMT style, P3 is like a 90s anime with the dour setting and melodrama while I really like P4 taking place in rural area which is still a unique trait to this day (I guess modern anime does rural settings quite a bit as of late). There is a slow burn feeling in P4 I really loved. I thought it made brilliant use of all the slow days and down times and made it matter.

  • Ouch My Head Said Dionysus

    Persona has become an overinflated mess of its former self.

  • Eder García

    looks like the Persona 3&4 universes will have a major change and move to Nintendo consoles while the purists can enjoy a new separate universe in Persona 5 on their favorite brand (Playstation)

    • DawnWolf

      Uhhh… one game on the 3DS =/= moving 3/4 to Nintendo. Case in point Persona 4: Arena and it’s sequel are both CANON sequels to P4 and P3 as well, and they’re for PS360.

      • Eder García

        good point… but what if PQ’s story will have a complete sweep in the events of P3 and P4′s universe? well… the japanese version is out now… seeing the spoilers? … tempting

        • Fidelis

          Dude, it takes place BEFORE arena. Any huge sweep would have already been felt. A lot of people seem to be forgetting this.

    • decus

      It’s basically an EO offering with persona plot. EO has always been nintendo handheld only. The sub-persona/persona fusion is gonna pretty much just be EOU grimoire system, the boost system is already basically the same, etc. It just got more budget, basically.

  • omoiukabu

    Atlus…. just give it a rest. I can understand if you want to further disgrace P4 on a weekly basis, but at least leave P3 alone.

    • DawnWolf

      Honestly… not really feeling this game myself (I hate crossovers), but considering I though Arena was done pretty nicely as far as story goes, I think you shouldn’t blow this off yet.

  • Andrew Boyce

    Lol, no please. Tell me Atlus. How is this game canon? In all fairness they are not a rich company so I understand all the Persona games coming soon since the recent Index business. But I am wondering why we can’t just have a fun little crossover and not have it tie into the story?

    • AlphaSixNine

      Play the game so you can find out how it’s canon? And why can’t ATLUS make it canon? Not really sure what’s bad either way.

    • sillyfudgemonkeys

      It’s time travel and memory wiping (happened in P2). I guess cause Atlus wants each of their games to have meaning? By that I mean to an overall plot. I’ve heard it’s still a “fun” crossover. :) Plus I think Atlus needs to only make games that have “meaning”, for money reasons. I don’t think they have the money to just make a game with no meaning yet….might be too risky?

  • RagingTiger44

    So it’s canon. Oh boy…This will either go really well or end up fucking up story line. Usually it’s the latter. I hope to be mistaken when I play this.

    • sillyfudgemonkeys

      I’ve heard (from the person who’s blog I’m follow who is playing it) that it’s good and the characters stay in character. And apparently it (by which I mean, character actions/interactions and story) makes sense (well since Atlus has done this kinda thing before in P1/2 I’m not surprised). From what I’ve heard/seen, it appears to have the same “fun” atmosphere that P4 had and the same “dark” atmosphere that P3 has. Thought my opinion doesn’t really hold much weight, but I hope that I could easy your…uhh…uneasiness about the game. XD :)

      • RagingTiger44

        I find relief in the fact that there’s no mention of the story being FUBAR on that blog. ^_^

  • Brimfyre

    Everyone freaking out over it being canon, saying Atlus is bleeding the franchise.

    I’ll just sit back here and wait for you to all eat your words.

    • Aemette

      Last I checked, I haven’t even played the game so I haven’t seen how they wrap all of this up nicely, thus I have no reason to complain about this. But, I guess a lot of people on here already have and thus have a very good reason to get upset.

      • Shippoyasha

        I played all SMT and Persona games and feel absolutely no reason to think negatively of this. These stories may interconnect, but it’s not overbearingly so. P3 and P4 still are comfortably individual entities. People need to calm down.

  • 古戸ヱリカ

    Those head sizes are canon, people.

  • James Reilly

    Deus Ex Machina to the extreme lol

    Wonder if this game will be regarded as the equivalent to the Star Wars prequels.

    • Herok♞

      I don’t see how this comparable to the Star Wars prequels in any way shape or form. The prequels were the first half of the story which lead to the events of original trilogy, this is a crossover game with characters from the same world, time traveling to have an adventure together. If anything you would compare it to a crossover movie that could take place in the same universe.

      • James Reilly

        It was a more of a indirect comparison that Q recieves the negative “stigma” of the P3/P4 timeline due to poor writing then a direct comparison.

        • Herok♞

          Fair enough

  • Tenabrus

    dissidia tier “pull them into universe then put them back with no memory of what happened” plot incoming

    • Tom_Phoenix

      Was there ever any doubt that this would be the case?

  • Fidelis

    Guys..
    take a step back and ask yourselves..
    Does it really matter if it’s canon?
    Especially since there’s a mindwipe at the end and nobody even remembers it in P4arena?

    It’s really like it never happened; it probably won’t have any effect on the continuity.

    You’ll be able to play Persona 4-2: Dreams Come True pretending that this NEVER happened, and you won’t be hard pressed for it at all.

    • James Reilly

      But why add such a cliche ass-pull plot device in the first place when the game could have progressed fine within it’s own contained universe as a non-canon entry. Seems really unnecessary and only logical reason why this happened was to push for more sales.

      • AlphaSixNine

        Being canon already makes it cliche? Can’t the game progress fine if it’s canon? I hope people at least would wait and see how ATLUS made the story canon before throwing baseless accusations.

      • Slayven19

        The story was cliche to beign with so I’m not seeing the problem.. Neither persona 3 nor 4 were masterpieces of story telling anyway and weren’t really told all that great even in their own games. The characters are what makes the series(aside from persona 2) not the gibberish plot.

    • MrTyrant

      Arena could be interesting canon-wise because Malevolent Entity if this mark the return of “him” in the newest games then it’s worth for me lol

      but I didn’t like their take on some of the characters specially the p3 cast.

      • Slayven19

        This is what happens when you put p3 cast on a pedestal like they were any better than the p4 cast. The story is what made them a little better but they are largely the same. I can see what you mean though, but honestly mitsuru or aigis didn’t really change at all and were in complete character.

        • MrTyrant

          Mitsuru with that weird costume was a little ridiculous too. She is an clever character and for me it doesn’t make sense how she dressed, how she enter to Inaba in a limousine and then saying she was in a cover mission. I know she is supposed to be rich and ignorant of the common logic but by now she at least should have behaved a little better.

          • Shippoyasha

            I think that is a lovable part of Mitsuru though. She is a smart leader but she is overly flashy and does dunderheaded things at times. It’s a part of her charm.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Leafy_Cam Leafhopper

      Are you telling me that I don’t remember the 40 hour story of Persona 4 Arena that had an amazing ending and actually sets up implications of future Persona installments, that was also probably my favorite game that year? Somehow I dont remember it and they said that was canon to? Are you serious? Also what mindwipe at the end of Arena? What?

      EDIT: my mistake I read your comment completely wrong, Im an idiot and I woke up 30 minutes ago.

      • Anime10121

        He/she’s not saying you dont remember Arena, what he’s saying is that their must be some kind of mindwipe at the end of Q and that no one (from the game) remembers what happened in Q during the Arena games.

        • http://twitter.com/#!/Leafy_Cam Leafhopper

          Oh, my mistake, I read that wrong. I see what you are saying. If that’s the case why even state its canon? I mean outside of sales. That seems really silly.

  • Herok♞

    I don’t really see what the big deal is, when I learned that all the P3 cast was together at one point in the story I accepted pretty easily that this could be canon since the whole party not being together would have been the only thing that didn’t make sense plotwise. Everything else can be explained in game so I am just waiting to see how it is canon.

  • MSJ

    lol, the crossover is now canon cause Time travel pretty much. maybe it got something to do with P5.

  • ShawnOtakuSomething

    Why is everyone upset? ⁀⊙﹏☉⁀ I think its kinda interesting that its canon. That make me want to know the story even more

    • Anime10121

      Because its on Nintendo 3DS and not on a Playstation platform. I mean honestly, if Dance Dance Personification can be canon, theres no reason this cant be as well :/

      • AuraGuyChris

        Eh, I’m pretty used to this with Kingdom Hearts games being canon on Nintendo consoles anyway.

        • Anime10121

          Yeah, but most Persona fans arent. When this game was announced, I saw a LOT of complaining because the game was on 3DS when “main” Persona games were on Playstation consoles. Then you had the whining that Vita got a rhythm game while 3DS got an RPG, and then came the “oh it wont be canon so it doesnt matter faze”. It is now stinging that it IS canon now to those same folks :/

          • Barrylocke89

            It’s silly at the end of the day though. It’s no different from when a game on the PS2/3 got a side story chapter on the PSP/Vita. Just because they’re both Sony products doesn’t change the fact that they’re different systems and you need to have access to it to play. If people can handle that sort of change, they should also be able to handle a game that’s on a Sony console and a Nintendo handheld, or vice versa.

        • Herok♞

          To further what Anime said you have to remember that the second ever Kingdom Hearts game was for GBA getting people used to the idea, with Persona on the other hand you are at least 5 games deep before the system changed.

      • ShawnOtakuSomething

        lol simply get over it

      • articuzwolf

        can we not bringing console wars to every single thing?

        • ShawnOtakuSomething

          hes not

    • MrTyrant

      I think it pretty obvious even if you try to gather all the persona character by using the velvet room logic It would feel like a funny crossover and not something that someone should pay much attention if something we would like older character appearing in the main numbered games. Arena was a little more tolerable but this one feel ridiculous.

      But maybe the real reason is the console. Persona fans don’t own a 3ds most of them at least but smt fans like own both haha.

      • ShawnOtakuSomething

        Arena story line is a brick to Persona 3/4 worlds window if that works this can to

        • articuzwolf

          People ages in Arena, Died person(s) remains died so not really…

          • ShawnOtakuSomething

            memory wipe time peradox

          • articuzwolf

            what time paradox and what memory whip? happened after P4 in the span of two days…mastermind can manipulate perception and that’s it

          • ShawnOtakuSomething

            Altus is one hell of a drug

        • MrTyrant

          But they at least didn’t bring Shinji or p3 dude back. This one feel more ridiculous even by Persona Arena standars but the whole series became a mess instead of releasing the main numbered ones.

          If I would like an spin-off? of course but trying to tell the story of a sidecharacter or something like adapting Naoto’s novel in an anime or a game and not something like forcing yourself to gather them by magic, time travel or what not. Persona 2 had the characters of Persona 1 but they were adults already.

          • ShawnOtakuSomething

            I think time travail has something to do with this game. it would have made it awesome if they did inculd P1 and p2 cast but they seem to be in love with 3 and 4 -_-

        • James Reilly

          Time Travel/Memory Wipes/Etc in Q is a bigger ass pull then anything Arena conceived. Even the dance game is more plausible.

          • ShawnOtakuSomething

            Yu can DANCE? when did Yu lean it? Why is Yu so badass

          • Astraye

            Come on, Izanagi is dancing too, how the hell is this more plausible xDDD

    • http://vindictushots.tumblr.com/ Okuni-chan

      I love the idea. I mean you do see some cross over in Persona 4 into Persona 3 when they visit that restaurant from Persona 3. Also If I remember right Margaret from Persona 4 mentions Persona 3′s MC. So combining the two casts has a canon feel to me.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Leafy_Cam Leafhopper

      Well I swear they said at first that it wasn’t canon for one and now they said it is. I am already playing one spinoff fighting game that is also apparently canon and now this is too, what? Also I kinda personally have no interest in EO style games, even they are good, they just aren’t my thing.

      • Saphira

        Well actually they said: “While we are implementing Etrian Odyssey’s system into it, just as the name implies, Persona Q will be a completely new title.”

        Which made people start saying it’s non-canon… and then it just kinda spread XP (in addition to Shinji + P3MC’s existence… but that one was explained later on)

    • omoiukabu

      The reason some (including myself) are upset is because we enjoyed the original P3 storyline.

      P4′s original storyline has already been distorted, but P3′s “canon” storyline has yet to be messed with (Ultimax may say otherwise). In the case of P4, it is slightly more acceptable compared to P3, which had a more serious route making any continuation worrisome. For example, the thought of X coming back just voids the entire 70+ journey (and answer :P) we went through.

      Have you seen Clannad After Story? It’s like that. Go through a great story of joys and tears, and then it is all voided with some cop-out ending. Return my precious tears!

      Also, lol@ those thinking this has to do with console exclusivity. If you feel the need to tag a name to those in opposition, I believe “purists” would be better than “jealous Sony fanboy”.

  • King Dedede

    I think i saw somewhere that the story is on a alternate universe that got “remembered” in the velvet sisters’ dreams.

    • celery

      I understand that anything goes in comments, but I’m hoping it’s not as you’ve said, otherwise that’s a fairly substantial spoiler that isn’t even labeled for people skimming through to try and avoid for a game that is recently released in Japan and not released yet anywhere else.

  • IS | 桂木

    If you guys think the Persona timeline is confusing and convoluted because of Q and the P4 sequels, I got news for you all: This shit ain’t nothing compared to the mainline SMT, or rather the entire timeline and continuity of the MegaTen franchise as a whole.

    Did you guys know that all the games take place in a giant multiverse?

    • http://vindictushots.tumblr.com/ Okuni-chan

      What!? Good heavens! All this time… All. This. Time. I thought they were separate games. It was how I treated each story outside Persona 1 & 2 being in the same time line and 3&4 also taking place in the same universe. I just thought they were independent of each other. Wow that’s confusing lol.

      • IS | 桂木

        Just about every game and all of their endings in the MegaTen franchsie is ‘canon’, The endings that get sequels are basically one possibility on how the story continues. Whether or not an ending or an alternate universe gets explored or not depends on Atlus. Yes, the MegaTen franchise is just as or more confusing than the Zelda timeline

        • kaotron

          yeah, I honestly believe zelda is probably teh most confusing, it’s almost as if each link is in their own separate universe but nintendo just comes and say’s “it’s call canon” and everyone gets headache.

          at least megaman uses numbers to mark the year for each game.

          • Shippoyasha

            Megaman is confusing too, as there are all sorts of theories bridging the original and X series. The Zero and ZX adds a lot of wrinkle to the lore as well.

            I think Gundam multiverse is arguably the most cryptic of them all, because of Turn A implying that all shows take place in a singular timeline. Also with extremely cryptic reference to things like the space whale.

          • kaotron

            yeah, I think the main problem with all these is that their future sequels weren’t planed all that well in advanced(or prepared) and that these creators just want to stick to the original material so badly instead of just calling it a spinoff that they are willing to confuse the heck out of the fanbases.

            But with PQ’s case I think that they just used the canon word to appeal to the fans and sell a little more.

          • Shippoyasha

            To be fair for Atlus, it’s not a huge stretch to link these worlds and it’s good they are doing this now instead of scrambling to retcon things 10 years down the line. May as well do it right in these early years of the modern Persona continuity.

          • Mr_SP

            Turn A says that all continuities happen in the same timeline.

            Every other series doesn’t care what Turn A thinks. Turn A makes as much sense as a SRW game, and that’s how you should treat it: something that only matters when it’s right in front of you.

          • Shippoyasha

            Yeah. Turn A is just an odd one of the lot.

            Still, the more cryptic stuff are the space whales and space mammals that may tie in with the whole ‘single universe’ idea. But it’s a lot more haphazard as a theory than even Zelda. Which is saying a lot.

          • Mr_SP

            IIRC, Seed was the only series with Space Whales. It also never actually did anything with them.

            And then there’s the ELS, which, unless they are the great civilization that built Turn X and then never actually surfaced, really shouldn’t be vanishing so easily.

            Not sure what you mean about space mammals.

        • Fidelis

          Yes! Love talking about SMT continuity.
          SMT-SMTII is simple
          Then aleph’s presence in Nocturne.
          Strange journey seemingly throws that out the window BUT in Shin Megami Tensei IV, “The White” referred to the protagonist as their “Fifth Son”. There are 5 mainline SMT games if you count Strange Journey! A strong hint towards the fact that all the games ARE indeed connected somehow!

        • http://vindictushots.tumblr.com/ Okuni-chan

          Oh man lol. Makes me dizzy just thinking about it. I feel silly for having not known this considering how closely I follow the series ( >_<)

    • MrTyrant

      Yeah but I didn’t want to think of Persona in the same way and SMT still don’t make a crossover that gather all characters ;______;

    • Arcana Drill

      Yeah, this is why P3 FeMC is canon! in her universe that Atlus wont ever touch anymore ;_;

    • Herok♞

      The Persona timeline was screwed up way before these spinoffs, see Persona 2 for all the help you need with that.

  • Roberto

    So Trinity Soul is canon?

    • King Dedede

      No, what makes you think that?

      • Guest

        Akihiko cant use his persona anymore in Trinity soul because he is an adult.

    • Timovisch

      Wasn’t Trinity Soul the one that said: “Adults can’t have a persona?”.

      • articuzwolf

        Not canon then…Adachi doesn’t look like teens AT ALL XD

        • Herok♞

          Well there is a whole game where it was all Adults with Personas(Minus one party member) and this comes years before Trinity Soul

    • articuzwolf

      Correct me if I’m wrong but I read it recently that it wasn’t
      maybe because they aged and have another story for Ken after P4U reveal

      • MrTyrant

        However for me Akihiko looked pretty fine being an agent of the goverment (although he didn’t do a shit and that was bad) but compared with Arena where he travels around the world by imitating Ryu from SF that was a little….stupid.

        • articuzwolf

          Actually as explained by (Fake) Shadow Akihiko, He doesn’t know what to do and felt weak after the event of P3, thus travelling around the world in the cape like maniac…In the end he decided to become police officer and really use his power change the world

          • MrTyrant

            Yeah I remember that even having Chie as kouhai lel

          • articuzwolf

            you just make me remember something…Maybe he was naked because he can’t afford the to buy a new cloth…he mentioned something to chie about losing wallet in the other part of the world LOL

    • MrTyrant

      It should be by now being bad is not enough reason compared with all the recent announcement. I’m not saying the games will be bad but how the story will behave it’s different.

    • sillyfudgemonkeys

      No, it was later stated by Atlus after the original release of P4. It had A LOT of continuity issues.

  • Kornelious

    Well congratulations you just officially began the end of the world :P

    • 古戸ヱリカ

      Yes, but the next article will retcon the end of the world so the Siliconera franchise can continue.

  • Arcana Drill

    Clearly cause it will be something that will connect to P4U and it will be how they will save Minato and then he will playable!
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    Yeah, i’ll never give up :(

    • Anime10121

      Its ok, Minatokoto will be playable in our hearts :(

      • King Dedede

        He’s dead, Elisabeth doesn’t want to revive him, she wants to allow him to rest in peace.

        • http://twitter.com/#!/Leafy_Cam Leafhopper

          I thought it was more of a coma, or a suspended state?

          • King Dedede

            He was buried, his body has already rotten by now.

          • Astraye

            Considering how much people there are wanting him to come back, im pretty sure atlus will bring him back at some point, if not in P4Au or P5, il will be later but im confident, HE WILL COME BACK.

            The fact that his body is burried is not really a problem, they can easily explain it im sure.

          • Shippoyasha

            Yeah. It’s more a state of suspended animation more like. There is no way he is dead in the traditional sense.

          • King Dedede

            HE WAS BURIED, his body has already been eaten by worms by now.

        • MrTyrant

          No. Elizabeth wants him for herself, wants to free him for the chains of death only to bind him with her chains and play him all night long for all the eternity….lol

        • Astraye

          But we dont know if when his soul will be free he will revive or not.

    • articuzwolf

      I’ve already said it before but Let’s just make Shadow version of him in the Ultimax! The mastermind can imitate other people shadows and persona so it wasn’t a stretch
      Think of it as a way to pisses the entire P3 cast by showing up as Makoto

      • Arcana Drill

        I would like it, actually even as a bonus character encountered in arcade mode that doesnt influence the storyline in any way, just wanna pick my favorite MC.

      • Barrylocke89

        I’m not really fond of the idea of Minato being revived, but a Shadow version of Minato would work pretty nicely.

  • MrTyrant

    EVERYTHING IS CANON!…..except p3p female MC

    • Holy Diver

      Even Minato x Yu is canon :c

      • MrTyrant

        Thats how P5 MC will be born……………………………@_@

        • X_Bacon

          That would make even the player fall in love with him/her.

    • Shippoyasha

      Sad as it may be, there really is no reason for female MC to even exist. If she is there, it has to be from an entirely different universe to justify her existence.

      Theo is there so it’s always possible, though all the characters from various multiverse interacting with eachother would be too crazy.

    • Kyle McDaniel

      Why are people so desperate for this character to be canon? it’s a character that exist in only one version of the game. It should have been pretty obvious she was never going to be canon.

      • Raine

        P5 will have a rumor function where you can find FeMC :v

  • http://infonochikara.wordpress.com Kaoru Kajiura

    If that’s the case, what if P5 ending will lead us to the 2nd SMT: if.. game. Sounds ridiculous but who knows right?

    Honestly that’ll be interesting. Persona 1 was heavily based on the 1st if… game anyway. But hopefully the moon phase mechanics from the first 2 games will return in the next one. Kinda miss that Persona-SMT-ish feel.

  • 하세요

    I don’t care, I just want to enjoy the game with all these characters in one.

  • http://twitter.com/#!/Leafy_Cam Leafhopper

    Didn’t they say this game wasn’t canon when it was first announced or am I crazy? Or was that a rumor?

    • Herok♞

      I think it was more of the fact they didn’t say anything about its story one way or the other causing people to assume it wasn’t canon. After all at first glance you see the dead characters and go ok this can’t happen and if it did why doesn’t anyone mention it in Arena.

    • Jero

      People just assumed it wasn’t canon because it’s a different art style, a different gameplay, and because “it was impossible for shinji to be alive”. Also they said it wasn’t canon because characters “met for the first time in P4A”. Though they just assumed all of those things not actually caring if the game explained stuff or not.

      • http://twitter.com/#!/Leafy_Cam Leafhopper

        I can see that but I thought I saw an article, I could have gotten mixed up, that said it wasn’t canon. I could be just imagining it.

  • alhamega

    Ugh… people always complaining. If the game is good, who cares?

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Leafy_Cam Leafhopper

      Because people care about the plot of a franchise they like along with the gameplay.

      • alhamega

        Did I said the gameplay only?

        • http://twitter.com/#!/Leafy_Cam Leafhopper

          You implied that the story doesn’t matter. and I never said you only care about the gameplay.

          • alhamega

            I don’t understand how a good game = good gameplay. But now you know, I didn’t mean it.

          • http://twitter.com/#!/Leafy_Cam Leafhopper

            I also never said good gameplay = good game.

    • SlickRoach

      That’s just how this generation of gamers is unfortunately.

    • Fidelis

      I usually have a distaste for comments complaining about complainers.
      However in this case, a lot of the complaints are just coming from ignorance of the game’s lore.
      There’s quite a bit of comments asking about how Minato could possibly make an appearance given his current state, despite the fact that the circumstances of Minato and Shinji’s presence has been explained in detail.
      These comments are pretty irksome

    • LDM

      Every franchise regardless have those fans who complains for the sake of complaining. Also, such as Fidelis mentioned, there are also those who are confused of the series’ timeline. Either way, just play the game and be the judge yourself.

  • nick_54g

    so im guessing that dancing game will also be canon then huh?

    • Anime10121

      That was confirmed canon a LONG time ago :P

      • nick_54g

        oh really must have missed that.

  • Masa

    Didn’t Minato…….how is he even in this game???

    • revenent hell

      See that’s the thing that rubs me the wrong way. If the game is indeed “canon” the only plausible solution is to make it so all their “memories” of this game happening end up being wiped by some means. Otherwise it really just dose not fit together. Hence it being “canon” kind of gets nulled because the characters don’t know what has happened. Well that’s what I think anyways.

      Unless they made it be a time warp and he warped from the past before the events of P3 took place or that month he had left to live out after

      • Afternoon Intergalactic

        I believe that this game takes place during or after the canceled school festival in p3 and brings the cast together in a time warp like fashion. Not exactly sure where I heard this from, though, but it would make sense. I agree that it really doesnt matter whether it is canon or not if the end result is a memory wipe, but whatever.

        • Andy Abramo

          Yes, it takes place before Minato dies.

        • revenent hell

          Well whenever it takes place kind of doesn’t matter so much since the “memory wipe” thing will have obviously happened, so really it could be at any point in time.

          I just feel a little “not pleased” that they said the game was canon, but for all intents and purposes to what?
          Granted I may be wrong and they may not memory wipe the characters but if they do (I kind of think they have no choice, really) how is being canon relevant to anything in regards to any other P4 or P3 game?

          Bah, I’m probably way overthinking this for absolutely no reason

          • Jero

            Actually I think they can pull out really good moments if they do it right. Best way to see this game is to compare it to KH:358/2 or KH:CoM, it’s pretty much the same situation (though different companies) , and personally I loved those games. It doesn’t really matter to me whether a game is canon or not if they do it right.

            Also I think giving this game some status in the franchise is atlus way of saying “persona in the 3ds is a reality”. And seeing how well the game has been received by the audience means we will be seeing more persona on the 3ds.

            Ah! And don’t forget, Frederica (protagonist of the story mode of EO:U) also had her memory wiped lol, it’s a really common move in rpgs.

          • revenent hell

            I had a really long reply…. and then it went poof. I am kind of pissed that it happened…..

            I love the KH games and Persona games for that matter, I am just over Persona 3 and 4 characters now. They have been milked enough, Its time to create games that aren’t Persona 3 and 4 in the tittle, that’s also not to say I don’t enjoy seeing past characters in the “new” games, I have always found that a cool little tidbit, but these aren’t exactly entirely “new” games either.

            I have also never played a EO game being as I find the art style repugnant, I do enjoy dungeon crawlers though but EO games never had an appeal to me.

            The only real way being canon would matter for this game was if they made a Persona Q-2 or Persona 5 and it had all the characters from p3/p4 ,again, appear to try and save the P3 protagonist (boy will I not be pleased if that happens in P5).

            I kind of think they only made this game “canon” for the sales of it all, not that I think it would sell badly to begin with, it is a Persona game after all, but I am sure a good deal of folks also had no intention of buying this game until it was for a fact stated as “canon”, There’s a good few people tired of these characters who also had no intentions of buying this game until it was stated as “canon”

            Also the KH games have a sort of consistency with how they mesh, from day one that has been their concept. I never felt the handheld games where out of place because that has always been the theme of the games comparing this game to those isn’t exactly the same thing and its not just the companies as a difference.

            This game plays more like EO in style and look than a persona game. KH games never tried to “play like” another game, in my view they have always maintained their KH feel, this really doesn’t feel like a “persona” game. The only thing really in common with persona I find as of now is a bit of the dungeon crawler aspect, and mostly the characters used.

            And while they do use persons, I think they ruined the consistency of the P3/P4 games by not having the characters have one persona exclusively but for the old MC’s.

            Their special abilities led them to being able to summon multiple Persona, that never applied to the others except fort here it dose, by some means, and even if its temporary , it still has changed the other games in my view because of it. If here they can have the ability to handle multiple persona, why was that negated in their original games? No matter the reason for it, obviously the talent to do so is there during whatever time frame this takes place in.
            I understand why they implemented it here but it still make the one character exclusive Persona comical

            Also they made Personas DLC which I wouldn’t care about if you could still create it in the game but with a different skill set that’s not like the special one but I am thinking that is not the case. Why take something in the past games that where creatable and now make them paid for as DLC? Its like if they made Key Blades DLC after all this time or Disney characters, though I think the DLC Key Blades would work out better and not really be silly to do

      • Jero

        The ending will obviously be a memory wipe, no surprises there. It’s a common move for this situations (KH:CoM), a cheap move sure but still. Also yeah, it does take place in some sort of “different dimension” so the P3 cast are taken to that dimension before “everything” and the P4 are taken while they are at the cultural festival.

        So it doesn’t really affect anything in the game, but they could have the characters regain their memories in future games.

        • Brimfyre

          That’s what will happen. Like Project X Zone and all those crossover characters who only recall the events when they get pulled into the crossover titles but not when they go back to their own timelines.

          • kaotron

            yeah, that why crossovers shouldnt be canon(for the most part). It’s fun to see the character interact with each other but it’s all filler, they’ll just forget about each other existence when they are back in their own game.

            using the whole memory wipe thing is a huge copout..

          • Brimfyre

            I agree if this is a one time thing, but if there are sequels, then it doesn’t really matter if it’s canon or not. What happens in the games continue to the next one. If they don’t rememeber anything from PQ when PQ II comes out, then that would be lame.

            But still, I take solace in knowing Kos-Mos can live forever in the crossover titles since they can’t do anything with her actual series.

          • kaotron

            A pq2 would be super lame but in this time when p4 is still getting milked it wouldnt really suprise me.

            I mean, p4 came out in ’08 yet the number of spinoffs it had in that short time almost rivals the milk of ff7.

          • Brimfyre

            Why would they even make Persona Q if they didn’t intend for it to be a franchise? It’s not even a question, there will be a Persona Q II.

          • kaotron

            I thought there was a chance of this being a one time thing only but I guess I was being naive and just wanted to believe that they actually had a discretion.

        • revenent hell

          Yeah, but only if they where NPC characters…
          While I enjoy seeing past party members in the following game(s) , I kind of had my fill of P3/P4 characters at this point. I’m kind of good with not seeing them in a future Persona tittle.

  • Skye Johnson

    Probably all the games/timelines are canon in some way anyway. This doesn’t surprise me.

  • lunier

    Isn’t this considered a spoiler…?

  • Sinful

    HOW THE FUCK? MINATO IS SUPPOSE TO–…WHY!?

    So I guess Trinity Soul is canon then! Then make Minako canon! I BET NYARL IS THE REASON FOR ALL THIS CANON BULLSHIT ;o;

    • King Dedede

      Wow, you’re late, Minato and Shinj being here was explained long ago, what really made everyone get suspicious was the fact that they don’t remember esch other in Arena.

    • SMT

      Trinity Soul has that whole “Once you reach about the age of 30 you can’t use a Persona”, which is bad for the canon (And I think Baofu from P2:EP was older).

    • Derek E Nay

      http://notredrevie.ws/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/xscreen-01595-1024×576.jpg

      No one can escape from Nyarlathotep! .. it’s one of his off days.

      • Sinful

        I think Nyarl has gone as far to screw with the fans, ”Oh? You want your precious Minato & Shinji back? Alright, I’ll do just that and screw up the timeline. Along with that, P4 Dancing All Night is now canon~ Have fun defeating shadows with your marvelous dancing skills~!”

  • ivanchu77

    Lol, Persona story is a joke at this point

    • kaotron

      I already thought it was a joke when they started the “canon” dancing game. I wouldnt be surprised at this point if they made a canon go karting game or go full nintendo on us and started making canon persona party/sports games.

      • http://twitter.com/#!/Leafy_Cam Leafhopper

        Can’t wait for Persona P(arty): Shadow Board (game)

        • kaotron

          Yeah! we’ll get to see team ups like yu & adachi vs minato & yoshino in a tug of war mini-game to see who can get the most points and it’ll all be canon…

        • SMT

          Or Persona K(art).

          … I’d probably buy both >_>

  • LDM

    Canon or not, I am just glad we are getting the game. This will help pass the time when on my way to work on the bus.

  • new_tradition

    I’m not disagreeing with the statement, but I feel like Atlus USA just said that so they can get Persona fans to buy the game xD

    Well I went ahead and spoiled myself about the game, but I’m still looking forward to it ^^

    • kaotron

      yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I usually don’t care much whether something is canon or not but I get the feeling that they’re just doing this to sell more(even if it wont make sense).

      • Shippoyasha

        It definitely makes sense though. I won’t say more and spoil it though.

        • kaotron

          I know, I read the spoilers, seemed a bit corny and forced but some might be satisfied with it..

          The main reason I probably wont get this isnt because it’s a cheap persona spinoff but because I’m not into the whole etrian oddessy-ish style & battle system.

          • Satori Satya

            It’s kinda funny that you’re trying to be reductive about this game, calling it “cheap”, when ATLUS is the king of low-budget games.

            They’re just very good at making them top quality, that’s all.

          • Shippoyasha

            You should give it a try. It’s Etrian Odyssey and all but it is also thoroughly Persona as well. There’s a lot of great Perosna personalities on full display. It definitely has the charm of Persona games that’s for sure.

    • Jero

      Without getting into spoilers, it’s canon and it’s all explained within the game. It’s not a mere spin off.

      • Kumiko Akimoto

        There better be stuff that’s expanded or I swear.

        • DeathTurn

          There will be. Makoto’s return. We discussed this already, friend.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            No please stop just stop.
            It doesn’t make sense and will never make sense without a mary sue fix plot device.

          • Kyle McDaniel

            The P3 & 4 protags are already mary sue characters

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            A nameable main character doesn’t make them mary sue’s.

          • DeathTurn

            Actually, it makes very much sense. You just detest the idea. Know the difference.

            And stop what? You are the one who wanted this to be expanded on, and I just told you how it is going to happen. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. :/

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            Yeah it wouldn’t make sense at all and the longer I think on it the longer it becomes apparent. I detest the idea because it would require lazy writing to overtone, there’s plenty beyond that can be expanded on that won’t damage their writing reputation. So please stop trying to force that into everything.

          • DeathTurn

            I’m not “forcing” anything: I am literally telling you what is going to happen. This has been set up for the longest, and PQ just sealed the deal. But apparently, you don’t care about what will be expanded on, you just want P3′s ending “not ruined” Well…sorry. The writers do not share your sentiment.

            Do yourself a favor and stay away from P4AU, because “lazy” writing that “makes no sense” is imminent. You are going to be gravely disappointed.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            I’m sorry but again there’s plenty they can expand on that doesn’t include lazy writing. There’s nothing I can do but be disappointed if they choose the lazy way out, I’ll accept it if it’s true but I can’t expect anything decent from them after that.
            I’ve also played P4AU and there’s nothing in that would be on the same level as pulling something out of your ass to bring back a character your fan base really wants back.
            The thing they would need to do to get nxy not to instant kill the world without Minato would be large.The persona main character barely grasp what’s going on with gods and magic.

          • DeathTurn

            Elizabeth destroyed Erebus, and it will not re-manifest for an entire year. Without Erebus, there is no way to contact Nyx. So even in the event Makoto is freed from the seal in P4AU, Nyx will not come until she is summoned by Erebus.

            As for it being an “asspull”…even I can admit that to a certain extent. That is why Elizabeth and Margaret refer to the future event as a “miracle.” But he is not being brought back just because fans want it; his return was forshadowed P3. I have never once expected the character to stay dead.

            But alas, I am just telling you to prepare for the absolute worst.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            That doesn’t really change the fact that he isn’t completely destroyed and will come back if they break the seal and return Minato to his body there’s nothing stopping erebus after he comes back. Again it makes no sense without a mary sue fix, they would have to create something that would strong enough to first, return Minato back to his body and then something that would be strong enough to hold nxy at bay.
            So I already knew that fact but that doesn’t solve the overall problem.
            They refer to it as miracle because that’s all they have it would need a lot to get it done and that’s why in the answer his return as a bittersweet reminder for the persona 3 team to do better with their lives, because erebus is the collection of man’s pain and sins, unless you get every human on earth to stop feeling shitty about their lives there’s no way he’s just going to come back without god like powers on their side.

  • Aisha Lee

    Didn’t they mention that this was canon a while back though. They even stated why it was canon “PQ story taking placed during P3′s cancelled festivial and P4′s post festivial”. Which explains why we have P3MC and Shinjiro. As for the story itself, its pretty much time travel shenanigans at this point.

  • http://ikari-the-angry-angel.tumblr.com/ The Angry, Random One

    I’m actually disappointed that it IS canon :/ Why it couldn’t be just a spin-off? I was really hoping that it wouldn’t be.

    Knowing me though, I’ll probably still play it but still you know?

    • Nagi

      chances to get canon on these things are very low still interesting to find out why

      • http://ikari-the-angry-angel.tumblr.com/ The Angry, Random One

        I guess, but it’s the fact that it’s still canon regardless tho

    • Alexander Aubert

      so they will get more money?

      • http://ikari-the-angry-angel.tumblr.com/ The Angry, Random One

        Doesn’t mean stop me from not liking that its canon

  • DwillXXII

    If this is Canon, shouldn’t the P4 cast be like middle schoolers? Cause they’re not the same age….?

    • King Dedede

      Time 5ravel and memory wipe shenanigans.

    • ThatGuy3190_7

      *SPOILER*
      On P4′s side, this event occurred during their school festival (I forget if it was an entire day or entire week).

      ***SPOILER***
      PQ’s story has something to do with time travel, hence why the two new characters weren’t known until both P3 and P4 started exploring the mysterious clock tower. I believe it was also mentioned in one of the news post that both of the new characters suffer from amnesia.

      With that said, I am refraining from spoiling anything else about the story of this game due to the fact that I am excited and anticipated about playing and enjoying this game and do not know anything past the story’s set up. Also, in my opinion to all who reads this, it is best to enjoy each Persona games as they are and allow Atlus to surprise us with the series story as they come.

  • http://www.spaghetti.com Kaisenex

    now i shall wait for makoto reveal for ultmax

  • Warboss Aohd

    it’s CANON!?

    oh, this outta be good, let’s see how THIS could be explained.

    • revenent hell

      Very easily.
      Since the characters will probably have a memory wipe at the end of the game, it being canon is really rather redundant unless the make a Persona Q-2 or something.

  • Dianatos

    Time travel and memory shenanigans aside, wasn’t Minato deathly sick during the canceled school festival? I think he should’ve been out of commission during this game, or at least sneezing the whole time.

    • Landale

      That’s just what the inevitable memory wipes wants everyone to think.

      • kaotron

        Well, if they say it canon then it’s just canon, I guess..

        Even if it doesn’t add up, they’ll just make up whatever deus ex machina they can just for the sake of making it “official”.

        I was expecting them to pull a time travel/parallel world stuff or maybe “it was all just a dream(a canon dream)” but seriously, memory wipe?

        • Landale

          I have no way of saying exactly how it’s canon. I have no way of saying it is a memory wipe. I’m just joking around a bit.

          • revenent hell

            If you find the game spoiled somewhere in great detail please point me that a way por favor!

            Edit Never mind found a thread about the games ending and whatnot…. Well, its nice to know most of my theories about the game where correct…. But on the down side I still don’t see how this game is remotely “canon”.

          • Landale

            I’ve seen a few different things about the ending. All pretty blatant bullshit. I’d take whatever you read with a grain of salt.

          • revenent hell

            Well normally I would agree considering where I read it and all but it does sound like it would apply.

            Though I am going to see if I can find some walkthrough (completed) of the game on youtube. That seems like it would be the easiest method to find out what I want, though surprisingly a few of the “walkthroughs” I found didn’t show end game stuff since ” Atlus doesn’t want people spoiled”

  • Lazulis

    I was already thinking this was canon from the very start the game was showed on the stream. Also people on tumblr playing the japanese copy confirmed it so…

    Time travel and memory wipe shenanigans ahoy hoy!

  • Brimfyre

    Why is Junpei looking all bashful why Yukari looks away shyly in that thumbnail?

    If it’s what I think it is, I WILL BREAK HIM.

  • Revolver Jesus Super Pimp

    Am I like the only person that doesn’t care if this is canon or not?

    • Shippoyasha

      It’s just a little nice extra. It doesn’t really matter either way. Unless the Persona Q characters pop up in a future game and the Velvet Room is explained further.

  • Cyrus

    I just got to the fourth dungeon, solid game so far.

    • King Dedede

      Da feelz are close.

  • kaimo

    RIP Persona 4 canon

    • http://s1.zetaboards.com/Espada_of_Alexandria/index/ konpon568

      What part about the P4 canon is dead? Because it isn’t.

      • kaimo

        No, it just has this eyesore stapled to it now, rendering it much less attractive.

  • Derek E Nay

    It’s canon because the game happens with some sort of time shift to mix them together and then they lose their memorys. Done

    EDIT: This is what I get for not looking at other posts >.< Should have known others thought the same.

  • Jero

    I hope we get a game like Katherine for the 3ds (you can see Vincent in one of the trailers). It would be awesome.

  • InsertOffensiveUsernameHere

    Calling it: it’s either time travel or Sho’s center of the mind.

  • AdhesiveBoy

    I love dungeon crawlers but somehow I just don’t get as hyped about Persona without the visual novel aspect. I suspect I’ll still enjoy it.

    Edit: does anyone think “Scooby Doo” when they see the logo for Persona Q?

  • Benjamin Tyler

    Called it!
    Time to head over to the Shin Megami Tensei wiki. Somebody’s page needs to be officially retitled, “Minato Arisato.”

  • Jadfish

    This game has time-travel and memory wipe stuff doesn’t it?
    I can’t see why they would go through the trouble of making it canonical to the rest of the series…

    BUUUUT then again if Dancing All Night is canon, then everything is fair game.

    Persona 5 is gonna be such a mess being tied to the other games.

    • revenent hell

      . I don’t want P5 to be about these characters. But I can see a relation. Not that I think this was your meaning and I may be stretching a bit but I don’t think it would be hard to make Persona 5 about the P3/P4 characters attempting to undo the seal and use another “such and such” thing in his place.
      I just have this sort of feeling about it…
      Hopefully P5 takes place as far away from the P3/P4 characters and world as possible but I don’t see that happening.

      • Jadfish

        Yeah, If possible, I would love to have P5 be its own thing completely but be set in the same world as P3 and P4. Maybe it could have a couple of things from the other games, but I don’t want the old cast to steal the show.
        Persona 4 did it really well with only a quick trip to Gekkoukan High

        • revenent hell

          See, I think its cool to have past characters appear in the “new” game(s) and see where they ended up so to speak, maybe not as party characters but NPC’s are nice enough and I think P3/P4 characters definitely don’t need to be party characters in yet another game.

          I really hope Persona 5 is genuinely its own game, Maybe it can start out with the MC watching what’s happening on the “Persona 4 Grand Prix” or something and that would be good enough for me.

  • Firion Hope

    Well Arena already shit up the canon so might aswell go out. I still liked them both much better as self contained stories.

    EDIT: still excited for this game regardless.

    • Guest

      From what I can tell, Arena doesn’t mess up canon at all. =o

  • Ric Vazquez

    So much HYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPE and oh…it’s canon!

  • Rabbit

    Wait.. It’s canon? But… Wait… But… It’s all a simulation isn’t it? This and the Arena games can’t BOTH be canon. Heck, this game in itself can’t be canon! Though considering they can’t reveal WHY it’s canon most likely means they’ll use a loophole, like time travel, which is what I’m seeing in the comments. I’m all for a cohesive canon, but I’m sick of time travel already…

    • powerprotoman

      your realing with a series where rumors brought hitler back to life, gods get the beat down by highschoolers, and scientists are really stupid when it comes to making robots with human emotions time travel is the least of your worries

      • Rabbit

        Yes but now this means I’ll have to follow two separate timelines and boggle my head at whether P5 will take place in one timeline or another, heck, I’m already confused about where Dancing All Night takes place. @ ~ @

        • powerprotoman

          persona 2….that is all

          • Rabbit

            Wasn’t that just dimensional stuff, not time stuff? Dialga is more confusing.

  • http://zysets.tumblr.com/ Zysets

    I love Persona 3 and 4, but part of me sort of wishes P5 to be more like P1 or the two P2 games. The social links were great in both 3 and 4, and I’m enjoying the spinoffs that have come from them, but eh I guess the spinoffs are also making me a bit bored with the P3/P4 style.

  • Snorlaxation

    Well. It’s OFFICIAL! …LY CANON! Either way though, I can’t wait to buy it. Part of me still hopes to get that special 3DS, but I know the chances are slimming by the day.

  • Daniel Silva

    So is this going to be the end of the Persona 3/4 arc as we know it? Because I really don’t want it to end as a series that people thought was just an excuse for a buck.

  • katamari damacy

    Persona 4 Arena is canon and it makes no sense. there have been weirder things.
    The BS logic that the P3 protagonist is now essentially gatekeeper to god or something that prevented him/her from being in Persona 4 Arena or Ultimax Suplex Hold no longer applies here?

    • Steven Higgins

      Time travel shenanigans are involved. This game somehow takes place during both the School Festival in P4 and during the main story of P3 sometime between the point that Shinjiro joins SEES and the point where he dies. Where as P4A and P4AU take place after P4.

  • Steven Higgins

    So since the game is canon does that mean that whatever name the P3MC has during the P4 route is his canon name? If so then that means that FeMC and Pierced Boy are now the only Persona Protagonists without one.

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