Rise of Mana Producer Wants To Release The Next Major Mana Game In Two Years

By Sato . June 30, 2014 . 1:26am

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Back in 2007, Square Enix released Dawn of Mana, the fourth and last main game in the Mana series. Fans have been waiting for the next game for a while, but it looks like the wait won’t be that much longer. Rise of Mana producer Masaru Oyamada recently shed some light on the future of the series.

 

During the interview with Dengeki, Oyamada was asked if he has anything planned for the Mana series (known as Seiken Densetsu in Japan) for its 25th anniversary in two years.

 

“The Mana series are titles that aren’t readily available on current consoles,” starts Oyamada. “Especially Seiken Densetsu 3, which was only available on the Super Famicom. Therefore, I’d like to make Seiken Densetsu: Final Fantasy Gaiden*, Seiken Densetsu 2*, and Seiken Densetsu 3 as a series that can be properly played, and in two years time I’d like to release Seiken Densetsu 5.

 

*Note: Seiken Densetsu: Final Fantasy Gaiden was released as Final Fantasy Adventure in the West, Seiken Densetsu 2 is Secret of Mana, and Seiken Densetsu 3 was a Japan exclusive Super Famicom sequel for the second game.

 

Dengeki mentions that fans will definitely be looking forward to the game, and ask Oyamada if he were to in fact make Seiken Densetsu 5 in two years, which console would he like to make it for?

 

“Now that’s a difficult question,” responds Oyamada. “We’re talking two years, here. However, I have a feeling that fans want it to be for home consoles. There are actually a good number of fans who’d like to sit back and enjoy it (on home console). And there’s a big part of me that wishes to properly make something, for those fans.”

 

Oyamada concluded the interview by mentioning that he’s currently working on an Android version of Secret of Mana, while keeping past titles and other collaborations in mind, as it’d bring him great pleasure to have fans of the older titles get to experience them once again, with added pets and more to look forward to, this time around.


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  • Postnjam

    Consoles or at least 3ds/vita please…

    • CirnoLakes

      I would like open platforms myself, rather than consoles and handhelds.

      (Well, unless they’re consoles or handhelds that are using open operating systems. Like Windows, Ubuntu, SteamOS, or Android.)

      • Postnjam

        If it’s for phones, I will personally go to square enix and get autographs and selfies and then shout whoever decided to put it on phones.

        • CirnoLakes

          Why is there so much hostility to phones and mobile?

          Being on a mobile OS like Android doesn’t stop a game from being good.

          There are problems with the mobile market. But I would rather see the mobile market get better and work with the mobile market and it getting better for arcade, console, handheld, and PC style video games than to be biased against them.

          Consoles are becoming less and less popular. Especially in Japan. The PlayStation 4 is doing well here in the West for now, but it isn’t in Japan. And who knows if the PlayStation 4 ever will become popular in Japan.

          A lot of people here treat consoles as a very Japanese type of gaming or something. But that isn’t really the case anymore. And if consoles can’t do well anymore, well, developers are going to have to adapt and find a way to still make games and make money. That’s been handhelds for a little while, but handhelds are also becoming less popular in Japan.

          I think that it would be nice to have the game on consoles. But I also think that it would be nice for all games to be developed multiplatform. And multiplatform should be more than just consoles and handhelds.

          I am thinking that the world is moving towards a PC/mobile gaming future. That includes Japan, console gaming used to be a lot more popular in Japan than PC gaming, but that’s changing with iTunes and Google Play. I think it’s better to focus on mobile gaming being as good as console and PC and arcade gaming, rather than just dismissing it and being negative towards it.

          • Postnjam

            Have you tried Secret of mana on an iphone? It plays like fucking shit.

          • CirnoLakes

            I haven’t played the new Seiken Densetsu game for mobile if it’s out.

            But I have tried playing Seiken Densetsu 3 on Android with a controller. And it was just fine.

            As long as people are making good games that I can play with a controller or a keyboard I think that’s good enough.

            And no, it’s true that not all mobile games are good. And some of them aren’t developed with as high of quality as console or handheld or PC games. But the mobile game industry is new, and I would rather treat things on a case by case basis. Super Hexagon is a game that was developed for mobile, and it’s really good.

            I think that the solution to making the mobile industry good, is to have high standards.

            I don’t mind some games having microtransactions just like I don’t mind some games having DLC. But they should sell games as full games and pay to win shouldn’t be accepted.

            And I think that games that want to be treated like console games and be respected that way should be judged that way. Since mobile supports gamepads and arcade sticks and keyboards and mice, they should support them just like the PC does. Especially if a game wants to be like a console game.

            Super Hexagon is a good game. But Final Fantasy All the Bravest is not.

          • Miss_Madness

            The stigma of mobile games wont go away until there are high standards and constant quality. Which isn’t happening anytime soon.

          • CirnoLakes

            High standards, from who though…?

            There are plenty of good games on mobile that are high quality. And you could say the same thing of PC gaming. There are plenty of good PC games. But there are a lot of bad ones, too.

            Perhaps there should be an alternative service like Google Play, but with more curation? I do feel like something like Steam for Android would be a good idea. Or Good old Games or Desura or things like that. With the millions of apps that Google Play has and no curation, it would be good to have some alternate stores out there with different kinds of curation.

          • Miss_Madness

            A good online store front is exactly what people need. It would help filter out crazy amounts clones and real lazy pieces of work from the gems or at least the average at best works.

          • raulrain

            no problem is they want to release a mobile version, if more people have access to the classics the better, but if a new one it´s only released on phones, well, it´s a phone game, this, it´s more about the people who played the game the first time, they did it on consoles, so it “feels” right to release a new one on consoles, or they can go the Breath of fire 6 route, it´s social, they say that it´s good but in the end nobody cares because it´s a social game, it´s a shame for a game named BOF6

          • CirnoLakes

            Well, I definitely wouldn’t want it to be focused on touch controls. Touch control gaming may get better in the future. But it isn’t there yet for most genres.

            I would like a high definition Seiken Densetsu game with lots of quality and attention to detail and depth with traditional button controls. And I will be very disappointed if we never get one.

            I’ve wanted another game as fun as Seiken Densetsu 3 for a very long time. I want a big, epic game that Square Enix has put lots of time, money and effort into. Just like I remember Seiken Densetsu 3. Because I feel like Seiken Densetsu deserves it.

            I like Seiken Densetsu more than Final Fantasy. So if it were up to me, I would make a huge, amazing game to try to outdo all of the other Seiken Densetsu games. For the PlayStation 4 and the PC.

            When I’m being positive towards mobile, I’m thinking of the fact that most tablets support keyboards and gamepads, and that there are some tablets out there right now that are more powerful than the PlayStation 4. While they are more expensive than the PlayStation 4 right now, they won’t be forever.

            I’m thinking of the fact that there are Android consoles, handhelds, and laptops. That Oculus are support Android with the Rift, but not any consoles, because they feel like the PlayStation 4 and XBOX One are not powerful enough for compelling virtual. But Android, is, or will be, soon. They know that in the next few years that Android will be much more powerful than the PlayStation 4 and XBOX One together. And that it will be ready for virtual reality.

            If Android will be ready for virtual reality in the next few years, but the PlayStation 4 and XBOX One will not, according to Palmer Luckey and Oculus, then it will be ready for console and PC gaming, as well.

        • Namuro

          I also want it on a console/handheld, especially on the 3DS.

          Though, I can’t help but imagine that there might also be some Japanese gamer on some Japanese gaming site, praying for the game to come out on the phone. Should the game come out on anything else then, he would hunt down the guy responsible. LOL

          • Postnjam

            There is also one guy praying to god that it comes on the 3do.

          • Namuro

            But seriously though, a lot of people are starting to migrate from consoles to phones.

            There’s this friend of mine who used to play his PSP, DS, and 3DS religiously. But before long, he spent all day playing this Puzzle & Dragon type game called “Tower of Saviors” on his phone. Nowadays, he just let his portables rot away at home entirely.

            I was really sad (and mad) that I lost a gaming buddy, but he told me that he couldn’t be bothered to carry multiple systems around, anymore. Also, games on phones are getting better and better. He said that he wouldn’t go back, until there’s something REALLY big being made for the consoles again…

            Ah, sorry for the long rant. But still, we all know that phone-games are really at its peak right now. So, there could be a lot of people that actually wants the next Mana to be on the phone! Who knows…?

            Speaking of which, the other day some kid saw me playing on the 3DS, and asked me: “Hey? why does your phone have 2 screens?”

            I died a bit inside…

  • CirnoLakes

    Wait, is he saying that he would like to re-rerelease Seiken Densetsu 3?

    That’s my favourite Secret of Mana game! I own three copies of the game for the Super Famicom. It’s one of my favourite Super Nintendo/Famicom games and is one of the reason that the Super Nintendo is my most favourite video game system of all time. I have played the translated rom and the Super Famicom version many times.

    Well, in any case, while I was very disappointed by “Dawn of Mana”, I’m really looking forward to more Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu games.

    • Namuro

      Why do you have 3 copies? Different region copies or something?

      • CirnoLakes

        I just buy some games that I really love multiple times for some reason.

        • Namuro

          Game developers must love you. :D

          • CirnoLakes

            Well, I would hope so. At least Cave and Namco Tales Studio and some other doujin developers.

            I have bought Recettear and Fortune Summoners more than 30 times to support the developers.

          • Namuro

            When I want to show my love (usually to no one, but myself :D) to a certain product, I usually go all out and buy as many related things as possible. Like when MH4 came out, I bought all the strategy guide, pouches, screen cleaners, stands, etc., even if I don’t really use them. LOL

            Other than that, I used to buy 2 copies of the same Touhou doujin that I REALLY like; to keep one sealed and worshipped in my secret lair, and the other for reading.

            I… I can’t really do this kind of thing so often anymore, unfortunately. Not until I’m financially free…

          • neo_firenze

            Hahahaha “secret lair”, I love it.

            But yeah, I’ll double/triple/more-dip on stuff I really like too. Typically in the form of buying different region’s releases or ports on different systems instead of two of the actual identical game, but I understand the feeling :)

      • shuyai

        this make be wonder if otaku really buy manga/games three time, one for playing, one for lending and one for keeping.

        • Namuro

          I… I actually do that, when I can afford to, that is. :D

          I’m very picky when it comes to collecting things, especially figures and doujins. I could spend hours just looking at all the different books, checking for the tiniest flaws like small creases and such, before picking one out. One time, I got a shopkeeper to rip out about 15 new boxes of figma from the crate, just so that I can check which one has the nicest paint-job.

          I think those shopkeepers secretly hate me… But I’m a paying customer! So I don’t feel guilty in the slightest!

          As for the playing (or reading) / lending / keeping thing; I only buy 2 copies of each, because I don’t lend my stuff out…

          Seriously, stay the hell away from my precious…

          *Hiss!*

  • Tiduas

    A new Seiken Densetsu game…. a new Seiken Densetsu game… a new Seiken Densetsu game… I don’t know what to write, I’m just really happy to hear these words from the creator himself. Please let it be a game that’s nothing like Dawn of Mana (Seiken Densetsu 4) and a lot more like all the other ones!

  • pekikuubik

    Don’t even care about SD5 as long as SD3 comes to a modern platform. It was superior to SD2/SoM in every way and people in the West never got to play it.

    • Haganeren

      Not every way sadly. I always found the fact we have some character which are magic-oriented annoying… Because a recurrent flaws of this series is the fact that the magic freeze the action. Playing a magic-based character is horrible in a multiplayer game.

      I think I preferred the fact we can become anything in SD2. But hey, just my opinion.

      • Tiduas

        Yeah a more easy way to cast spells would make using magic-oriented characters in multiplayer a lot more fun to play.

  • MK

    I think they will port Sword of Mana & SD3 to mobile.

  • Kaetsu

    “I have a feeling that fans want it to be for home consoles.”
    That was all I needed to see!

    • Tenshigami

      I was about to quote the same thing. It’s relieving to see that someone is actually listening for once in this regard, and the fact that it involves a series very near and dear to my heart makes it even better and all the more important.

  • Göran Isacson

    Rereleasing an officially translated Seiken Densetsu 3 would be glorious and golden and I would support it oh so much. As for a new game… well, I suppose there is still some room in Square’s lineup for an action RPG that isn’t Kingdom Hearts. I think they could actually modernize some of the features of SoM that not even Kingdom Hearts make use of and create a pretty nifty title.

  • http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/recognition/21421.html?type=4 Kashell

    I like the idea of a new, localized and fresh Secret of Mana 2. Playing the game years ago via emulation was fun, but it just wasn’t the same as playing it on a console.

  • http://www.carpefulgur.com SpaceDrake

    A hope for an international release of SD3?

    Dare I even imagine it?

    I’m also glad they’ve acknowledged that SD3, one of their best titles from the SNES era, has been woefully neglected when it comes to porting. I don’t even think it’s on the Virtual Console in Japan.

    • Code Name Crono

      It’d be nice also if they released SOM with the missing content.

      • DuskSharkEX

        Missing content?

        • yellowmage

          Seiken Densetsu 2 (a.k.a. Secret of Mana) was originally planned for the SNES-CD add-on. However, once Nintendo’s deal with Sony fell through (which lead to the creation of the PlayStation), they were forced to fall back on a standard cartridge, meaning they had to cut out a large amount of content that would have fit on a CD-ROM.

          On a similar note, the English translation cuts out a significant amount of information from the Japanese script, mainly due to the fact that Ted Woolsey was given only a month to complete the translation process (though the fixed-width font certainly didn’t help).

          • DuskSharkEX

            Interesting!

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/xxHiryuuxx Kaleido-Ruby

      I would wonder how that would even work. I mean you’ve got a fan translation to bank off of but would they actually go through the time and the effort to look them up or do everything from scratch?

  • Yan Zhao

    I just hope SD5 will be as good as the original 3 (+ Legend of Mana), Dawn of Mana was such a disappointed.

    Seiken Densetsu 3 localized, or hell, even remade for 3DS would be godlike. Its the best SNES game ever released.

  • Strain42

    I’m hoping the iOS one gets localized, and I am excited about the Mana series getting a new major installment for it’s 25th birthday, but this article makes it sound like the most likely scenario is it’d be a PS4 game, so I probably wouldn’t be getting it anytime soon.

    Of course I also need to brace myself now that I don’t think they’ll ever do another Legend of Mana style game. That was a once in a life time game, I suppose…*sigh*

    • Warboss Aohd

      Legend of Mana was one of the best games on the PS1..not THE best, don’t get me wrong, Suikoden 2 holds that title, but it wasn’t far off.

  • Chersea

    Koichi Ishii left Square Enix to found Grezzo. I wonder what a Mana game would be like without him.

    • Yause

      Probably closer to its action RPG roots, as we see in Rise of Mana. Ishii was the reason the series diverged.

      These days, he’s a figurehead at Grezzo and has been uninvolved with game development since Dawn of Mana. It’s really Takaaki Tonooka and the former SaGa team that started the company (registered back in 2004 when they were still working on Romancing SaGa: Minstrel Song), but Ishii’s pedigree as the creator of Seiken Densetsu holds much weight when finding work.

  • Happy Gamer

    Since SD3, they have not made a true, actually good multiplayer SD main game…Not sure why SE is taking SD3′s system and overall feel and making it new gen. They are trying to do things that are super different that often sucks. Dawn of mana looked so amazing when I saw preview screens then I played it it was pretty mediocre. I would not mind a top down view game that plays like SD2-3 with HD quality visuals.

    Using the Wii U’s screen, would be cool to use it as the “ring system” of the older games so you won’t have to pause the game to pull out spells and items :)

  • Razvaille

    For me Legend of Mana is the best :)

    • Jean Fernandes

      I trully agree with you, LoM its the best ever!

      But ** where Oyamada stays all this years? How can someone said “home consoles?” Those sugery that portables like Vita and 3DS will don’t receive a version of this new game? :’(

  • H_Floyd

    “We’re talking two years, here. However, I
    have a feeling that fans want it to be for ******home consoles******. There are
    actually a good number of fans who’d like to sit back and enjoy it (on
    home console). And there’s a big part of me that wishes to properly make
    something, for those fans.”
    Is this possible? A Japanese developer that… gets it? Finally? Where has this man been? I can’t even believe what I’m reading. Not only does he want to put SD5 on home console (where RPGs belong), he also acknowledges the brilliant but snubbed SD3.

    Seiken Densetsu 5 on home console, in the style of Secret of Mana/SD3 or a combination thereof, concept art by Hiroo Isono (creator of the beautiful Mana Tree design and sweeping wildneress vistas in many SD games), music by Hiroki Kikuta (Secret of Mana, Seiken Densetsu 3), and a battle system that lets you switch control at will between multiple characters could very well save Mana and restore some faith in the company. This is not hyperbole.

    *still in disbelief that a Japanese game producer in 2014 mentioned the phrase “home console” in a sentence*

    • Warboss Aohd

      i’ll be happy if he also gets Brownie Brown to do the Art for it. Also make it like Legend of Mana mixed with SD3.

  • realist

    >more phone games

    This is a crock of shit. I’m i the only one who is sick of this crap? Jrpgs do not belong on phones.

  • yellowmage

    Sword of Mana on Wii U Virtual Console, please! And/or another remake with a less awkward-in-places translation.

    Oh, and a Princess of Mana translation and/or anime, too!

  • http://hatintime.com/ ShadowFang

    I’d like to just see a Seiken Densetsu 3 HD remake, but with gorgeous 3D Models befitting of modern platforms, and online multiplayer added to local co-op.

    Hand it to a developer who already knows how to make top-down, co-op hack-and-slashers (like Obsidian with Dungeon Siege III, or Larian of Divinity: Original Sin), make sure the Japanese side remains in control of design, art direction, character designs, music, etc. and just let the western guys do the programming and graphics, and it’d be amazing.

    Whatever this new game, my fingers are crossed!

    I hope Level 5 notices that Dark Cloud needs a sequel soon next. It’s been 11 years since Dark Cloud 2 came out :’(

  • Kornelious

    Huh, never heard of this series before….

    *Goes to look up Dawn of Mana, realizes Sam Riegal and Laura Bailey voce the main characters, proceeds to buy the game, and returns to this board*

    So a new Rise of Mana game sounds like a great idea! XD

  • Mc-kun

    Wait they remember this series? HYPED.

  • Dying_in_this_Crap_World

    SoM had one of the best graphics ever for SNES at it was one of the earliest SNES rpgs.

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