SNK Filed A Criminal Lawsuit Against Square Enix For Copyright Infringement

By Sato . August 6, 2014 . 1:14am

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SNK and Square Enix are in a dispute, and we don’t mean in a friendly cross-over fighter, either. SNK recently filed a criminal lawsuit against Square Enix for usage of SNK’s intellectual property without prior consent from the company.

 

To summarize what’s been going on, it appears that Square Enix have infringed on numerous intellectual properties of SNK Playmore through their popular manga, called High Score Girl, which is about arcade gaming featuring various video game characters.

 

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According to SNK Playmore, the infringement came to light when the anime adaptation of the arcade manga was in the works, and the animation studio contacted SNK to ask about their usage of characters and music in the show. As it turns out, SNK’s content has been used in the manga all this time without their consent.

 

While they don’t go too far into detail about what exactly was used in the High Score Girl manga, SNK Playmore claims that there were over 100 instances where characters from the King of Fighters and Samurai Shodown were used without consent.

 

SNK Playmore say they attempted to contact Square Enix on the matter, but did not receive a proper response, which eventually led to their filing of a criminal lawsuit against the company through the Osaka police back in May of this year.

 

Yesterday, on August 5, the Osaka police raided Square Enix’s office located in Shinjuku, Tokyo, along with other concerned parties, which violated copyright infringement laws.

 

Investigations are currently ongoing and more details will be available upon further interrogations and evidence inspection.


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  • Limbless

    I just find it funny how long the manga’s been running with absolutely nobody at or linked to SNK ever knowing about its content.

  • Shippoyasha

    Damn. I love it when manga has very blunt and obvious references. Though it seems more people are clamping down on the copyright aspects of it. It just depends on whether they get caught doing it or not. Though most would go the WcDonalds style revamps to avoid this from happening.

  • harmonyworld

    wow, they hard up for cash or something?
    Sounds like something to not freak out about.
    If anything, it’s like “hey, thanks for the mention!” instead or a frickin’ lawsuit.
    Geezus~
    pick your battles, man!
    This ain’t one of ‘em~

    • Death Saved

      SE would have done the same if they were in SNK’s shoes.

    • Kaitsu

      Well, it’s either one or the other. I don’t think SE would be any different. haha

  • Andrew A

    Oh, I’ve seen those characters on some of the SQ albums…

  • Milewide

    I wonder if the Japanese police take of their shoes when they raid someone’s place. Ojama shimasu…

    • ishyg

      It depends if the company has a shoe-removing policy. I know the one I work for doesn’t, and I’ve been visited by security before (I accidentally tripped off the alarm for reasons that the door to the staircase can open even if the first floor door is locked, and yeah, motion detection alarm. And I don’t even know how to speak Japanese.) But since they’re raiding, good point. Maybe they don’t.

  • Dark lord Ash

    I find it hilarious how Athena is referring to herself as a kid. She’s practically “Christmas cake” tier.

    • Shippoyasha

      Athena is a magical girl and a psychic goddess. Age is seriously only a number for her.

      • Dark lord Ash

        That or she eats hell of a lot of eel

  • Isuke-sama

    So basically SNK’s characters just appeared on a manga without their permission. I wonder do owners in Japan get paid for their characters to make a cameo/parody in other works. Hyouka did have some episodes featuring Nakoruru and King, various JoJo’s parodies can be found anywhere. Did SNK give permission? I don’t see any whining.

    And geez, SNK really needs to get their crap together, make a damn good KoF, Metal Slug or Samurai Showdown already.

    • mojokex

      You played KOF XIII?

      • BZ Choy

        KOF XIII is meh compared to the older games.

    • Lois Kaizo Mario

      Well you can see the SNK Playmore logo in the credits (I think in episode 13, 14 and 15) so I guess SNK Playmore agreed with the Hyouka Producers

  • Sato

    Time to check out High Score Girl!

    • MrSirFeatherFang

      Totally recommended! It’s a nice slice of life about 90s arcade games. Pretty cute too XD

      I hope the mangaka is alright from this though…

      • Sato

        Oh man, sold!

        And yeah, I hope so too…

        • MrSirFeatherFang

          It’s definitely one manga I would like licensed (although unlikely…)
          The kid is hilarious. All he talks about are video games. I like the chapter about the TurboGrafx-16 (PC-Engine), because he was bragging how it brought arcade quality games to your home (he owned one). That and it was pretty cute since the girl wanted to play it too…
          Hope you enjoy, it’s funny and enjoyable all around, me thinks!!

          • http://burnpsy.wordpress.com/ burnpsy

            Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if the manga was suddenly cancelled after this lawsuit, nevermind licensed. And if it’s not cancelled, no licensor will want to touch it because of the lawsuit.

            Which is a shame given how you’ve been praising it. I’ll put it on the list with Saki for “decent Square Enix manga never leaving Japan”.

          • MrSirFeatherFang

            I know D:
            I can only hope things turn out okay *___*

          • Sato

            Hahaha that actually sounds really awesome and pretty heartwarming! I’ll definitely check it out tonight before getting some sleep :P

            Thanks for the bit of info on it :D

          • Lilburrito

            Best part for me was when Guile suddenly spoke to him out of nowhere.

          • MrSirFeatherFang

            Oh snap, I forgot about that! I can vaguely remember it. I must go find it again XD

  • SirRichard

    A police raid over a copyright lawsuit? A bit over the top, isn’t it?

    • Shippoyasha

      Sadly, it’s becoming less and less rare. Even in places where the jurisdiction doesn’t fall in international territories, they find a way.

    • James Reilly

      LOL the Japanese Police likes to flex their muscles on relatively minor crimes such as the crackdown on otaku illegally uploading anime.

      • ishyg

        Or stopping down random gaijins to check if they’re legal.

  • Haganeren

    The manga seems cool too. A love letter to the 90′s arcade games… That’s really too bad SNK reacted like this.

  • https://twitter.com/BurstZX Devin Isom

    SNK, don’t be that company. Please.
    Edit: Eh, I guess if they tried to contact them this would be the next step.

  • http://burnpsy.wordpress.com/ burnpsy

    Looks like a company protecting their rights. No need to overreact.

    If anyone’s gonna criticize SNK for this, remember that they tried contacting Square Enix first, and that you know full well that SE would do the same in reverse.

    • Shippoyasha

      Still a bit of a downer considering some comedies/parodies have gotten away with it without any harm done to the topic of the said parodies/references. It’s a bit conflicting because protecting copyrights is understandable. But fictions using a reference flat out would be optimal if that was allowed instead of a song and dance number around what they are actually parodying.

      Though it can be fun to figure out what a heavily edited reference is supposed to be. And then there are some shows/manga that is funded in part by corporations and they use references very bluntly and that’s fun too.

      • Rafael Budzinski

        …they are different cases. A visual mention is one thing, but using the characters, music and other information related to a trademark is another. These kinds of “easter eggs” like above is common, but the case with SNK is the fact that they’re not “just using” their characters and intellectual properties like the image above, they’re abusing it. Over 100 uses without consent is way too much. And probably they aren’t using them just as “a poster on the wall”.
        …the main problem here is the lack of communication from Squeenix. People claims that “SNK is lame” because they’re protecting their IPs, and I simply can’t see why they’re “so wrong” to so many people. As an artist myself, I totally understand them.

        • Shippoyasha

          I am an avid follower of the manga. They reference the games outright but it’s certainly not ‘abusive’ in any way. If anything, the game references are done in reverence for the games and it makes me want to get into them again.

          • Rafael Budzinski

            …oh sorry, when I said “abusing”, I meant the many times they did it. And the main problem of it is, if the new is accurate, the fact that SNK tried to contact them about it and they “gave a shit” about it. And the fact that Capcom was aware of them using their IP and SNK not, only makes it worse.

      • Vesperion

        All they had to do was try asking

      • persona_yuji

        What show is this? I’m somewhat interested in it…(that Sonic JP cover)

        • Hound

          Ben-to
          There’s also several scenes dedicated to Virtua Fighter 2 in it..

  • James Reilly

    I’m surprised they didn’t send a helicopter to provide air support for raiding the Square Enix office considering how Japanese police tend to go overboard for relatively minor crimes.

    • indra jaya

      yes, I think sending police mecha was more reasonable… oh wait…

      • Reiswindy

        Square Enix being raided by KURATAS Units would be awesome!

      • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

        They are working on that Patlabor live action still. It could have happened! Unless the police get in trouble for infringement of some sorts~ lolol. Okay, I’m done. vnv

    • Tincho D

      I wish they sent Golgo13 to off Toriyama

  • Max

    Hopefully they reach an agreement and the anime isn’t canned.

  • Namuro

    Oh man, I’ve been wondering about the copyright issue ever since I’ve read the manga. I thought SNK was totally cool with it…

    • AkuLord3

      Same…does that mean we’re not getting an anime :< cuz i really enjoyed the series

      • Elizabeth ‘Ely’ Moreno

        Maybe they could use some kind of replacement? You know, this character who is obviously another character but has his clothes a bit different to it’s not the same!

  • Tonton Ramos

    Hmmm? which should I buy? next gen King of Fighters 3D game? or Kingdom Hearts 3 and Final Fantasy XV? tough choice…

    • CptPokerface

      How about all 3?

    • Rafael Budzinski

      …judging the last installment from the 3 series, KoF is the best choice. Easily.

  • CptPokerface

    “Put the Manga on the floor, pencil on the table, and come out with your hands up, now!”

    Yeah that’s. .A pretty grandiose way to handle copyright infringement. Not that they shouldn’t protect their IP’s but..”raiding” the SE offices?

    SNK has been pretty strapped for cash so something like this could really help them, as messed up as that sounds.

  • http://twitter.com/#!/kaishou Kaishou

    Well SNK has to fund their next game somehow! :V

  • z_merquise

    SNK vs. Square-Enix. But not in a dream-match kind of way.

    I still find it too over-the-top that police will raid Square-Enix’s office just for this. Still, I think it would be handled in a more nicer way if only Square-Enix did respond from SNK-Playmore and not totally ignore them. I feel bad to the manga author and to the series he/she worked on because of this.

    Damn. To think that SNK is finally in a comeback after being quiet in years and finally developing a game for the consoles again then this crap happen. This doesn’t paint a good picture to both sides (SNK and Square-Enix).

  • NintendoPSXTheSecond

    Really? The most recent (Translated chapter I’ve read) had a whole load of Street Fighter in it and you don’t see Capcom flipping shit. I think SNK just needs some extra money after losing relevance.

    • pressstart

      You don’t know if A) Capcom and Square had a deal set and B) Capcom is in the process of suing as well.

      • Mecha Hisui

        Not in this case, especially considering they had guest artists from Capcom create some great covers specifically for this manga, using Capcom characters.

        http://i.imgur.com/lwzn1ww.jpg

        http://natalie.mu/media/comic/1306/extra/news_large_hsg_Poster_goda_s.jpg

        http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BP06M0eCEAEs0sU.jpg.

        • Money?Muney??All my luveee!!!

          Then, S-E ask permission from Capcom but don’t from SNK which is why there is this criminal lawsuit.

          • http://twitter.com/#!/kaishou Kaishou

            hm the manga has been running for quiet sometime now and it took SNK this long to take notice even 8 months after it was announced to have an anime adaption?

            This whole lawsuit smells like bullshit.

          • Money?Muney??All my luveee!!!

            Well, not all companies cares about this kind of thing until one day, the noticed it.

            Just like example, Fuji TV never cares about Game Center CX subs until a day, they noticed it and now asking all of the fansubs to stop subbing their show.

            It is just thing that happen.

    • RunningWild1984

      Capcom probably gave permission most likely. They also had Mortal Kombat…

  • http://youtube.com/RyeANDRinGaming B-Dazzle

    To those who haven’t read the manga. You should know, all characters in the manga are straight from all of SNK old fighting games. They even say there trademark moves in the manga too when the girl challenges a guy in KOF 95 & Samurai Showdown. So yeah, SNK has a right to do this since it’s not a straight parody at all but straight out using all the characters from there games. I don’t really know about Street Fighter though, but here’s a image to a piece of the manga showing off Guile vs Zangief. (Full name intact.) Though I don’t really agree with SNk about this at all….But hey, Square-Enix does the same thing too for copyright’s and stuff….
    http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/13368/001.0/compressed/s011.jpg?v=11373183821

  • DragonSix

    Except this isn’t infrigment, it is fair use.
    It’s a manga about arcades that contains mentions to SNK games. it’s as if you would sue a video game magazine because it mentions your games.

    SNK are being assholes (and most certainly wont win anything in courts).

    • AkuLord3

      That’s…not the same thing, do realize, i wouldn’t want you getting sued for not knowing better

    • Money?Muney??All my luveee!!!

      It is not fair use at all. As in the manga, it is written that they already aks for SNK for permission on the back of the manga and yet, S-E never once ask from SNK about this thing.

  • Heropon

    This matter may affect FF15 development if SE is forced to stop all activities

    • MinakoArisato

      *Making a scheminggesture while having a dark grin*
      Excellent… now it is time for Atlus to conquer the market…
      …muahaha… MUAHAHAHA!

      No realy, I like your humour Hero^^

  • ThatGuy3190_7

    I’m not defending either company and I’ve never read the manga, so correct me in a civilized, non-argumentative manner if I am wrong, but I don’t think the manga even mentioned that they the game they were playing were owned by SNK, Capcom, etc. I believe with even a mention of the respective company, things wouldn’t have been so out of hand. I can see where the copyright infringement is coming from.

    • ChronoDeus

      You are very wrong. There was a whole page in the volume releases noting the copyrights:

      http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/ronsoku2/imgs/2/f/2f4c4b88.png
      http://abload.de/img/026egkbj.png

      That it contains a copyright acknowledgment is one of the things SNK is using against SE, saying it gives a false impression that SNK gave their approval.

      And if this article is accurate:

      http://www.itmedia.co.jp/news/articles/1408/06/news130.html

      Sega, Capcom, and Namco had all licensed their characters for use in the manga. So that SNK claims that they alone had not given permission is quite interesting.

      Furthermore what this article doesn’t mention is that the “proper response” that SNK was looking for was for Square Enix to immediately halt the sales of Hi Score Girl’s digital release, print volumes, monthly magazine serialization, and other releases. In short, they wanted SE to kill the series, and SE refused. And what a lot of people don’t seem to be considering here is that one corporation does not repeatedly tell another corporation to go intercourse itself unless they think they are in the right from a legal standpoint. If they thought they weren’t in the legal clear, they would have halted the manga when SNK first contacted them. That they still haven’t suspended serialization says their lawyers still think they’re in the right, and that SNK is in the wrong or being unreasonable.

  • Yan Zhao

    Man SquareEnix has really fallen low. I mean you’d think a colossal company of their size would know all about copyright laws. ANd the fact that they ignored SNK when they were contacted over this matter doesnt make SE look any better.

    Hope SNK wins the lawsuit. Then use the money to make KoF14 better :D

    And lol I cant stop laughing at all the idiots defending SE for this.

    • LightningFarron19

      It’s less about the company, and more about who is actually making the arcade manga. Besides, this seems way to over the top. If you are going to do this, at least take them to court. No need for a full blown police raid.

      • Yan Zhao

        Its not like SNK requested a police raid on their office lol. I think its just the Japanese Police Department doing that.

  • Slickyslacker

    I wonder how they’ll handle this with Oshikiri. SE may be the publishers and those legally responsible for the distribution of the manga, but the artist (and the artist alone) is the only one responsible for its existence.

    I guess their demands would be nothing short of “drop the pencil at once!”

  • http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/recognition/21421.html?type=4 Kashell

    I would have loved to have seen Square’s offices being raided. During the chaos, I would sneak in and grab as much free stuff as possible. ^_~

  • Weeb

    Man, that was weird. I just started reading High Score Girl last night and now this.

    • Kelohmello

      You caused this. It’s all your fault.

      • Weeb

        And there is nothing you can do to stop me.

  • Eder García

    apparently K9999 was TT in Japan because of this, those who knows the story will understand

    • idonthaveaname

      Eolith have nothing to do with SNKP anymore.

  • Tincho D

    >manga about early 90s
    >the high scoring girl looks cute instead of below average
    Suspension of disbelief status: obliterated.

  • Dascylus

    For a company that takes copyright of their own IP very seriously, Square Enix doesn’t seem to care about stealing from others.

  • azureknight

    I hope this doesn’t mean that we’re getting 3 more Lightning FFXIII games to help Square pay off this lawsuit.

    • Hound

      Next 4 years of Square reveals will suddenly be dedicated to mobile and F2P (pay to properly play) games XD

    • Guest

      This has NOTHING to do with their gaming department.. 8U

  • Morningstar

    The reasonable and likely outcome for this lawsuit: SNK gets its compilation and the manga get either dropped or rewritten. Square Enix as a company will survive. But the games will fail to live up to the hype and will be as polarizing as the last games were

    What paranoid SE fanboys think will happen: SNK gets compensated by getting enought money to ruin SE. XIV, X and Dream Drop Distance would be the last FF. DQ and KH games. KH-3 and FF-XV will be reduced to broken dreams and XI and XIV will cease to be playable. Meaning the Final Final Fantasy is XIII. Basiclay end of the world level fearmongering

  • xhunter

    Aww come on SNK, Hi-Score Girl’s too good of a manga to sue SE. )=

  • Jesse Torres

    Good, maybe SE will learn a thing or two before doing whatever they want.

  • Herok♞

    I love how even though this about Gangan Comics, everyone is treating this like its the main Square Enix game division and not their manga department. Yes they are all under the same company but lets not blow this out of proportion and make it seem like its the entire company when its more of a mangaka and their supervisors not following the proper legal steps

    • http://blackstar2661.deviantart.com/ SilverSpades

      lmao too late, this is becoming the weekly Squeenix hate thread I guess.

  • Prungy

    Keep in mind that Square Enix didn’t create this manga, they’re simply publishing it. They’re still responsible for making sure they had permission to use SNK characters though.

    • http://blackstar2661.deviantart.com/ SilverSpades

      If that’s the case, why are people acting like the SE top officials and gaming division are the ones stealing SNK characters?

  • BlackMasamune

    Maybe they can settle this with SNK vs SqaureEnix: Super Great Crossover Battle 2016. Or just gave SNK enough money to make the new KOF.

  • Nate

    That’s a shame to hear. I hope they can work it out.

  • FivePointedTheStar

    “Investigations are currently ongoing and more details will be available upon further interrogations and evidence inspection.”

    So it’s wise to shut our mouths and wait until a thorough investigation is completed.

  • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

    Do the game and manga departments share the same CEOs and stuff? I don’t they share the same contact and PR people. I wonder why they contacted Capcom about their reference but not SNK? Or maybe something was lost in communication a while back?

    Either way, it’ll be interesting to see how this goes. My only worry is that SNK should be out for money, otherwise this is all a useless expense for them too, right? (At least, when they get a lawyer, it would be.)

    At the same time, how good of a lawyer can they get compared to Square?

    Ultimately, as much as Square bugs me as a gaming company lately, I have a hard time believing they would do that, but I guess it’s not surprising (but certainly disappointing). Hopefully it all ends as smoothly as possible from here on out.

    • http://s1.zetaboards.com/Espada_of_Alexandria/index/ konpon568

      Square Enix may have ownership of an assortment of studios and other branches, but this is one of those things that they weren’t responsible enough to detect in time. Gangan Comics apparently having a manga that was liberally using a lot of copyrighted properties. Yeah, who knew it was going to be so successful enough that they were going to get an Anime adaptation, right? Who knew that for the Anime to happen, the animation studio had to ask for permission for a lot of those properties that the Manga author didn’t asked for.

  • MadokaXHomura

    I hope they dont stop the manga because of it.i really love this manga.

    • http://amc9988.deviantart.com/ amc99

      I agree, I love the manga, the characters are fun and it’s nice to see some innocent romance that is not shoujo once in a while and was happy when an anime is announced, I hope they can settle this without cancelling the manga and the anime (although I think the anime can’t be save anymore)

  • Kornelious

    They RAIDED their office!?…..Isn’t that a bit much? :(

    Well hopefully this won’t cause any games to be pushed back or cancelled……That’s when I begin to blur the lines of who is right and wrong >:(

    • http://s1.zetaboards.com/Espada_of_Alexandria/index/ konpon568

      Nope.

    • Satori Satya

      Blame Square-Enix for that raid.

      SNK tried to sort this out with them, but they didn’t get a ‘proper’ response from S-E.

      We don’t have all the details, but the response they got back from S-E was probably quite inflammatory. To the point where raiding their offices seemed justified.

      And who’s right and wrong? Are you serious? They STOLE from SNK. Published a manga. Made a deal with an animation studio. All behind SNK’S back.

      • Kornelious

        It just all seems strange to me….There has to be more to this than what we see……What could they have Square have said to end up resorting to a raid?

        • Dascylus

          They could have refused to turn over evidence pertaining to the case, therefore requiring a handful of officers to come and take it by force.

        • syrup

          It’s not that uncommon in Japan. A lot of critical and confidential information is only on paper (not digitized) and police will unexpectedly raid offices suspected of white-collar or similar crimes to deter them from destroying or hiding evidence. They basically take every piece of paper in the office they can get their hands on and give it back after a few months of looking through them.

      • ChronoDeus

        The details we do know is that the ‘proper’ response that SNK wanted was for S-E to kill the series. They wanted Square Enix to immediately halt the sales of Hi Score Girl’s digital release, print volumes, monthly magazine serialization, and other releases.

        http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-08-06/police-search-square-enix-due-to-manga-allegedly-violating-snk-copyrights/.77341

        http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-08-06/hi-score-girl-manga-recalled-after-snk-copyright-charges/.77361

        And if you think the mean old Square-Enix was blithely ignoring poor innocent SNK after stealing it’s stuff, expect it to be far more complicated than that. S-E isn’t some cackling evil corporation that ignores C&Ds. That they didn’t suspend the series at the first dispute says that SNKs claims are likely a lot shakier than they’d like people to believe.

        • Satori Satya

          But of course they had to halt any activities related to the manga. You do understand what a C&D order is suppose to do, right?

          Besides, that order only came about because S-E failed to consider the legal implications of using SNK’s IP’s without their consent or permission.

          So let’s not start thinking that S-E was the victim here.

          If the loyal readers of the manga suffer in any way due to SNK’s legal actions, they have no one to blame but S-E.

      • ChronoDeus

        The details we do know is that the ‘proper’ response that SNK wanted was for S-E to kill the series. They wanted Square Enix to immediately halt the sales of Hi Score Girl’s digital release, print volumes, monthly magazine serialization, and other releases.

        http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-08-06/police-search-square-enix-due-to-manga-allegedly-violating-snk-copyrights/.77341

        http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-08-06/hi-score-girl-manga-recalled-after-snk-copyright-charges/.77361

        And if you think the mean old Square-Enix was blithely ignoring poor innocent SNK after stealing it’s stuff, expect it to be far more complicated than that. S-E isn’t some cackling evil corporation that ignores C&Ds. That they didn’t suspend the series at the first dispute says that SNKs claims are likely a lot shakier than they’d like people to believe.

  • http://s1.zetaboards.com/Espada_of_Alexandria/index/ konpon568

    This is a History Lesson, kids! All Companies can sue you if you use any copyrighted properties without permission. Take Disney for example. The moment they find out that you are using their properties without permission, they won’t sue you on the spot…

    No, no, kupo…

    THEY WILL SUE YOU THROUGH THE GROUND ONCE THEY KNOW THAT YOU ARE GETTING A LOT OF MONEY (and/or fame) BY DOING SO!!! And it won’t matter if you are giving much more respect to the IP than the legal owners do.

    • Morricane

      Fun fact regarding Disney: if the US wouldn’t prolong the expiration date for copyrighted works every couple years (unlike every other country in the world) Mickey Mouse would be Public Domain by now. Of course there is no correlation whatsoever :)

      • http://s1.zetaboards.com/Espada_of_Alexandria/index/ konpon568

        They’re currently shooting for a 100 Year period from the current “Author’s Lifetime + 70 Years” Term. Disney is manipulating Copyright law, and it is affecting everyone else, not just them.

        • Morricane

          And the totally absurd thing is that even if something is still protected by US law it *will* have transferred into PD *outside* of the US…

          …I really like making fun of how contradictual copyright laws are in practice (even though the original idea behind the concept is a noble thing…)

          • http://s1.zetaboards.com/Espada_of_Alexandria/index/ konpon568

            Everything noble can be exploited into corruption.

  • Hetare Kaiser

    I don’t really get the point in the police raiding the office; surely the actual published works containing the infringements should speak for themselves? What were they hoping to find, e-mails among the line of:
    “Oh, Mr. Oshikiri, you’re so evil!”
    “Ohohoho! But not as bad as you, Mr. Matsuda!”

  • Shinobikens

    To people saying the raid was a bit much, copyright infringement is REALLY REALLY bad in Japan as it happens A LOT and nothing is ever really done about it which doesn’t really justify a raid but who cares it was SE they deserved it. I’m glad SNK filed a lawsuit on Square (but it makes me sad because I really like the manga)

    • http://s1.zetaboards.com/Espada_of_Alexandria/index/ konpon568

      Copyright Infringement is Serious Business in ALL countries, ALL Day, Everyday. It doesn’t matter if you’re doing it for free. It doesn’t matter if you’re doing it for a Themed Birthday Party. The moment you have it distributed is when you are bound by the law and what may entailed from what was done.

      • Shinobikens

        I know but it’s rampant in Japan and more often than not nothing ever happens

        • Satori Satya

          I think you got Japan confused with CHINA. Where copyright infringement is considered a national holiday.

          • Ric Vazquez

            LOL

        • Hetare Kaiser

          What, you mean like in parody doujinshi? Those are usually cases of the IP owner being OK with it, or at least not considering it to be worth the effort.

  • Gojira Twit

    Well, I guess we all know where the money to develop KoFXIV is going to come from now

  • axemtitanium

    Shouldn’t they be suing the author of the manga, not the publisher?

    • idonthaveaname

      Technically, the publishing company should have noticed it in the first place. Why publish a manga with many copyright infringement? Square-Enix have the authority to publish it or not. But they fucked up by not getting permission from SNKP

      • axemtitanium

        Idk fair use/parody? I’ve never read the manga so someone more familiar should probably enlighten me on how the SNK characters were used.

        • Morricane

          Fair use is pretty much an Angloamerican idea, the rest of the world gives a *** about it.

    • Eder García

      from what i saw on a youtube video talking about that subject (sorry, no link) the mangaka might face charges as well if the law says SNKP is right, if that happens then the manga will be forced to be cancelled, SE will lose money and the mangaka possibly will go to jail

    • Kevin Lima Ferreira

      All the content of a manga is checked by the publisher before the release. If Square Enix saw those references to the SNK’s IP and said nothing, then they are guilty not the author.

      • axemtitanium

        I think it’s a bit of a stretch to put all the guilt on the publisher here. You sure it’s not your bias talking?

        • Kevin Lima Ferreira

          I don’t think “all” the guilty should be put on the publisher, but they indeed are guilty for not telling the author to no make those references without SNK knowing.

  • NinjaBlaze

    SNK -of all people- going after another company for -copyright infringement- is just…surreal to me. I mean, it’s like, really? Capcom’s probably getting a kick out of this.

    • RunningWild1984

      Remember Capcom went and sued Data East for Fighters History, and they lost that one.

      • Jarod Frye

        Because you can’t copyright an IDEA. The Fighting Game style was done WAAAAY before Capcom, They innovated nothing.

      • Eder García

        i see your point, but Data East never used Capcom IP on Fighters History

  • MSJ

    really SNK, really?!

    and I was looking forward to that anime . . .

    http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1578007/bloody-keyboard-wreck-o. gif

  • BZ Choy

    Man, as much as I want SNK to make a new KOF or even a 2D SamSho, I really want them to lose that lawsuit and the mangaka to keep doing High Score Girl. I like that manga way too much to be on SNK’ side.

  • HelloACiDDD

    dat KOFXIV Ash Saga Dream Match money
    dis gon b gud

    • Souffrir

      We already had an Ash Saga Dream Match. It was called KOFXII.

      I know, I’m disappointed, too.

  • Ecchitori

    How come I never heard of this manga.. How low of me.. Also, about the news, damn!

    • http://www.lrdalucard.deviantart.com lrdalucard

      … I think the same!

  • Los Illuminados

    Long Live SNK !!! much love. Don’t mess with them. get that $$$$. HehehehHahahahahah!!!!!

  • https://www.youtube.com/user/narutops2xbox/videos Black Koshinomi

    Damnnn you square

  • KuroNathan

    Well, having given the manga a quick read through… they really should have known better. It’s common practice to make references to other IPs with a just barely legal censor like a black bar over the eyes ore deleting a character from the name.
    Instead they just went in and straight up and showed various games in the manga without any attempt at censoring at all. Guile, Street fighter II, zangief, Final fight, Ghost n goblins. all in the manga

    • Khositas

      They actually did get permission for a lot of the games they used :)
      “The manga also uses characters from CAPCOM’s Street Fighter II, Sega’s Virtua Fighter, Namco’s Genpei Tōma Den, and other games. ITmedia News contacted CAPCOM, Sega, and Bandai Namco Games, and each one said that it gave formal consent for the manga to use its games’ characters. The endnotes for the manga’s first volume includes the copyright notice pictured left.”
      - Anime News Network
      It does suck that there are copyright issues for everyone.

  • katamari damacy

    It’s kind of ridiculous as the manga uses SNK characters and Capcom characters not to profit off them but for the historical setting and tone. The manga isn’t profiting off using the characters as the selling point, just used for historical accuracy and a backdrop for the gamer protagonist and his decade long rivalry with his love interest, spanning different game systems and consoles for a faithful SF2 showdown.
    I think the manga was better for incorporating actual real life consoles and the games on those classic systems.

    • Morricane

      Yeah well, but he still needs to ask for permission to use their stuff if he publishes something. :)

      • Khositas

        They actually did get permission for a lot of the games they used :)
        “The manga also uses characters from CAPCOM’s Street Fighter II, Sega’s Virtua Fighter, Namco’s Genpei Tōma Den, and other games. ITmedia News contacted CAPCOM, Sega, and Bandai Namco Games, and each one said that it gave formal consent for the manga to use its games’ characters. The endnotes for the manga’s first volume includes the copyright notice pictured left.”

  • Ragnab

    This manga is so good, I love SNK but hope they don’t end up ruining High Score Girl with this lawsuit

  • GamerRob

    Both companies have been stale for years. No way SNK didn’t know about this for so long. It reeks of a publicity stunt

  • trlkly

    Guys, just because SNK wins (or likely settles) will not necessarily kill the book. IT just means Square will have to pay a fine and then license the characters, giving SNK some of the money.

    True, SNK could be dicks and not allow licensing, but that’s unlikely. It’s a profit-making venture for them. And unless licensing costs Square Enix more than they would get on the Manga/Anime, it would be idiotic for them not to take the licensing agreement.

  • Haganeren

    Well… No.
    There is even Street Fighter reference from what i have seen of the manga and i don’t see any Capcom people in the party. Seriously, if you make a manga on the old age of arcade, you’re bound to talk about old arcade game.

    Square Enix may have been too kind on this author manga which is why there are in a bind now.

    So yeah, I feel really bad for them because all they did was saying “ok” to a manga which talk too freely about old games. It’s not as if they have taken the character to makes them playable on their next game. Here, it’s just some reference because people in the manga play SNK games. I hope it will not make the end of the manga too because it seems really cool.

    I always found Capcom games over represented in manga and anime in comparaison of SNK games, now i see why and yeah, it’s too bad SNK reacted like that. (And… i don’t care if it’s normal for a company to protect their right or not, i’m just talking about myself, as a consumer which would like to see SNK reference more.)

  • darke

    Define ‘stole’. That’s the annoying thing about “intellectual property” it may be intellectual, but it’s not physical property.

    Can they talk about the TurboGrafx-16, and draw the TurboGrafx-16 legally? So why can’t they talk about and draw a SNK character legally?

    Where does the line cross between “intellectual property” and “cultural heritage”?

    These characters and things have value because of “cultural knowledge”, they only have value because people know about then and talked about them, otherwise they are nearly worthless.

    Can no one document a sub culture without paying royalties to those who benefited from that sub culture?

    Blah, I hate IP it’s entirely depressing. :(

  • shuyai

    because parody is not copyright? i dont know how it is with this anime but tons of anime been show playing games like Monster hunters and other anime character appearing etc abit with a litter name change and censor. so as long as it is not blatant direct reference and clear depiction of say SNK game then i am team SE.

  • Morningstar

    Because they are paranoid that anything bad will kill the company off before KH3 or FF15 comes out?

  • The Watcher

    Stop defending SNK like their games are good. Let me know when their fighting games finally get a good netcode. What’s that? never? oh okay then.

  • The Watcher

    Someone is upset that they would choose the worse out of the 3.

  • AkuLord3

    Cuz Netcode equals a bad game :L. Yeah it there’s bad netcode but still the games are GOOD so stuff it.

  • Money?Muney??All my luveee!!!

    SNK fighting game is easily one of the best fighting game in the community.

    Hell, it is the pioneer of 2D fighting game.

    Net-Code? that does not make the game bad at all.

    Find me any fighting game which had as many character like SNK first.

  • AkuLord3

    “…as a consumer which would like to see SNK reference more.”
    Then Enix should have asked, that’s how that works, like it or not

  • J_Joestar

    Typically, references that are done without any sort of censoring/alterations (like the frequent “Wcdonalds” fast food joints) are done with permission.
    If Capcom hasn’t done anything, it would mean either they already had a deal with SE or the Author, or they only found out about it now as well and are only reacting slower.

    The article mentions SNK already tried to contact SE but were ignored, so this is the next logical step forward.

  • Heropon

    Only FF 13 trilogy , Bravely default are garbage . Others game are still good

  • Fidelis

    That doesn’t make any sense. A person wouldn’t be upset if his decision aligned with his taste.

  • Rafael Budzinski

    …because with these “little censor” the situation isn’t the same. The problem here is the straight use of the trademarks, and SNK have the rights to do so. If Capcom wanted to do the same, they’ll have the same rights.
    …according to the news, SNK tried to contact Squeenix about this, and without response, they’d sue’d them. Totally reasonable, and I don’t see why they’re wrong to the eyes of so many people. More than 100 instances of copyright infringement is too much.

  • Alexander Marquis Starkey

    Parody would be similar design. The designs are taken straight from SNK’s games and characters, with their names fully mentioned. If Square really didn’t get proper permission to use these characters, then they’ve got a major issue here, and it makes them look bad for future projects.

  • Hound

    Entire scenes using your characters blatantly playing the game and discussing it in a serious way isn’t parody. Unless you personally feel that any anime in the universe can toss in One Piece, Naruto, and Dragon Ball characters (with their regular personalities and not just pseudo versions of them) and call it “a parody,” then you’re going a little far to start an argument.

    Parody involves comedic reference of non-copywritten material from a series/book/musical ensemble/etc that requires knowledge of the original material to recognize.

    Blantant use of music, characters, or a series title that is protected under copyright law because it “fits the manga, movie, novel, television show, or game” is obviously copyright infringement.

    SNK attempted to contact SquareEnix (probably in an attempt to be properly paid for using their IP,) but SquareEnix chose to avoid them completely. Of course the next recourse is to assume blatant theft and sue them >.> Otherwise they’re allowing SquareEnix free use of their characters however they please, without compensation.

  • Shade DMessiah

    Funny. I’ve come to notice people just don’t like the 13 trilogy because it’s nothing like older FFs. I recently got into FF as a whole, my favorites being X (X-2′s last mission is fun too, but not a main game), Crisis Core (Made playing 7 feel so….right), and XIII:LR.

    Don’t get me wrong, the older ones are cool too, but people seem to think EVERYTHING is wrong with newer Final Fantasys for no reason. Also, before you go saying “The story is trash, lightning is trash, everything is trash”, let me say this, the story is alright. It’s as good as all the other FFs….minus Crisis Core cause….nothing will beat that games story to me. And Lightning is just female cloud with a reason to have her personality like it is.

  • Rafael Budzinski

    …the pioneer is too much, this title still belongs to Capcom. But easily they’re one of the responsibles for the 2D fighting games we know today. And with KoF XIII overall quality, the netcode is too small a problem.

  • HamDMan

    For me I had various reasons for not liking the XIII trilogy. The 1st game felt like you were on rails, I purposely left treasure behind thinking I could get it when I had more characters or when they were higher leveled until I found out there was no back-tracking.

    The 2nd game had only 2 playable characters with a 3rd NPC character as well as having unnecessary QTEs. For the 3rd game I only played the demo but it was alright for me, though not worth a full purchase

    For my favorite FF I’d picked FF 6 hands down.

  • Shade DMessiah

    I get what you mean with the first game, but when i first played X, it felt pretty much the same (More like, I dont wanna walk sooooo far back for this trash) untill you could use the airship. The second game’s lack of player characters kinda bothered me, but the perfected XIII battle system made it up for me. The QTEs though…..i mean, they were just there…..if they werent there then….yay…..but…..i felt more of “they didnt have to, but they did. Cool”.

    Can’t really give you much insight on LR though since you haven’t played it. I’m not done yet either but i LOVE the time feature. Something about managing WHEN i do things in real time just makes it fun. The battle system isn’t bad either. If you didn’t like the demo, i recommend you at least get it on sale or something.

  • Haganeren

    Well, that’s how it works… And it’s too bad. Because that means the author could not do anything like that. (No way their editor will ask all video game company at each reference !)

    I think there is a really great difference between “stoling” a character and “make a reference” to this character. The first should be sanctioned, we should be more lenient on the second.

    But hey, not for you it seems.

  • Haganeren

    Well, i hope it’s that, because i have read a little more of this manga. (Which i quite like to be honest) and yeah, it’s really centered on Capcom game with some Splatterhouse at a moment for now.

    I suppose there will be a SNK chapter latter but… It’s really not a big deal as i read it.

  • Satori Satya

    “It just has pictures of NEO-GEOs and NEO-GEO games”

    ^^^ FOR GAIN AND PROFIT.

    And that would be enough to justify a lawsuit.

  • LightningFarron19

    Isn’t this just the same situation thought? Square stated a cease and desist letter to the fan translators when Sky did not listen. Now SNK is doing the same with Square, although this one is more over dramatic due to it being a police raid on copy right infringement.

  • Money?Muney??All my luveee!!!

    I would say SNK is more of the combo based 2D fighting game pioneer though.

    It is through SNK series, we had tons of fighting game now with huge and long combos like GG and BB.

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