Nintendo Staff Involved With Bayonetta 2

By Ishaan . September 22, 2012 . 12:30pm

When Nintendo collaborate with an external developer on any given game, they often tend to be involved in its development themselves to some extent.

 

Examples of these sorts of collaborations include Sin & Punishment 2, Pandora’s Tower and Xenoblade Chronicles, where development is largely handled by the external developer (Treasure, Ganbarion and Monolith Soft, respectively, in the above cases), but Nintendo’s own producers oversee development and pitch in when required.

 

This is also the case with Bayonetta 2, which is being published by Nintendo, according to a tweet by the game’s supervisor, Hideki Kamiya.

 

 

 

Bayonetta 2 will be published for the Wii U but does not have a release date yet. PlatinumGames have previously stated that they hope to grow the Bayonetta brand further in partnership with Nintendo.


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  • RadShiro

    Hmmmm…good news or bad news? Don’t really know.

    • SantiagodelosSantos

      Good, probably. Nintendo games usually have a high amount of polish that aren’t found in a lot of games. Well, they aren’t going to make the game worse at least. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Farid-Belkacemi/1073052585 Farid Belkacemi

      Play Sin & Punishment 2, Pandora’s Tower or Xenoblade and you’ll have your answer ;)

      And they helped on The Last Story too.

  • Tre W

    Expected. And I suppose as long as this does only more to make sure that Bayonetta 2 stays on schedule, everything will be fine…

  • SantiagodelosSantos

    “Examples of these sorts of collaborations include Sin & Punishment 2, Pandora’s Tower and Xenoblade Chronicles, where development is largely handled by the external developer (Treasure, Ganbarion and Monolith Soft, respectively, in the above cases), but Nintendo’s own producers oversee development and pitch in when required.”
    I thought Monolith was part of Nintendo, doesn’t Nintendo own them (or at least most of them?)
    edit: yes “As of May 6, 2007, Nintendo owns controlling interest in the company after Namco Bandai sold 80% of its 96% stake in Monolith Soft to Nintendo. This went into effect May 1, 2007.[3] Later Namco sold the remaining 16%, making Monolith Soft a first-party developer for Nintendo.”
    source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monolith_Soft

    • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

      They do own Monolith, but they’re still an “external” developer that aren’t part of Nintendo’s main headquarters. The reason I chose those three games is because they’re very “un-Nintendo-like,” just like Bayo2, and all three turned out pretty great.

      • SantiagodelosSantos

        Ah, okay. I just thought you meant external as in a studio not owned by Nintendo. Yeah, those games you mentioned aren’t very “nintendo-y” i still enjoyed them though. Well…i haven’t played pandora’s tower, but you get my point :P

  • $29082171

    Oh boy here we go.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/EnvyMizuhashi Garyuu of Spades

       I got big bags of popcorn for everyone! :D

  • LynxAmali

    Oh boy, here we go.

    Let me go get a bag of popcorn.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/EnvyMizuhashi Garyuu of Spades

      I got big bags of popcorn for everyone! :D

  • Ricewarrior

    Interesting.

    Makes me wonder if this will be the first M rated game Nintendo had a hand in. That is, if it is going to remain M rated.

    • SantiagodelosSantos

      Nope, Eternal Darkness i believe was also M rated. I’m pretty sure Nintendo helped since they published that as well

      • Ricewarrior

        Oh that’s right. How did I forget about that game. -_-;

      • http://www.segalization.com/ Kuronoa

         Geist, the Japan only Reginliev and is that Fatal Frame II Wii still mature rated?

    • Paradox me

      That is, if it is going to remain M rated.

      I can’t picture Platinum partnering with Nintendo if they intended to water it down, even in the face of cancellation. They’ve said that Nintendo has been very cooperative and that the game is still Bayonetta.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Farid-Belkacemi/1073052585 Farid Belkacemi

        Yeah, she’s just a b… Witch after all ! :p

  • TruSpindash

    If those examples are anything to go by, then it sounds like this could only benefit the game.

  • SirRichard

    That’s very likely for the best, as Nintendo know their own hardware and can help out. The only worry I have is Nintendo possibly objecting to the game’s content, but then they seem to have hardened a lot over the years now.

    • http://www.facebook.com/valiusPIU Kevin Tan

      No objection to certain outfits in TLS or Xenoblade, making Tecmo bring a bloodier Ninja Gaiden 3 exclusively to the console.  I think we’ll have no problems with an M-rated game.

  • Tom_Phoenix

    Well, it IS Nintendo’s money on the line, so they are well within their right to have their own employees overseeing the project.

  • Phlo

    Just like Xenoblade! Casual as anything, am I right?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dylan-Ng/100000854638739 Dylan Ng

    IT BEGINS AGAIN.

    Joking aside, this should end up a better game ryte?

  • Cephrien

    Because the first Bayonetta didn’t have mini games or anything.

  • Hinataharem

    Maybe you will be able to ride a Yoshi

    • SLick123456789111

       I see what you did there

  • riceisnice

    Well, they didn’t make Xenoblade any less skanky with Sharla.

    • SantiagodelosSantos

      *jiggle* *jiggle*
      …it did look a bit out of place and unnatural…(i’m not complaining though)

  • Spirit Macardi

    I love how people keep trying to find new ways to hate Nintendo. Few things are funnier than watching a bunch of butthurt anti-fans trying to make this out to be a bad thing.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/5UFEVTPDTXD33NSMUFMX4TEAMQ Mike

      It would probably help if you diden’t try to cause a situation woulden’t it?(by the way theres only one person here who said anything bad so “A bunch” doese’t apply here)

      (Ignoring it is better in the long run)

      • Spirit Macardi

        I was being totally serious. Some of the stuff I’ve seen is comedy gold XD

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/5UFEVTPDTXD33NSMUFMX4TEAMQ Mike

          Really? you woulden’t mind telling me where I can find some that stuff would you?(No seriously where can I find it)

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/jodecideion?feature=mhum TheWon and Only

            Youtube, Twitter, and Neogaf!

          • ronin4life

            N4g.
            Though you can find BS of ALL kinds there…>.<;;

    • Luna Kazemaru

      Yeah because your post makes it all better

      • Locklear93

        Agreed.  Posts like that just fan the flames.

      • Umpiresoft

        I can’t blame Spirit seriously you not doing any better still whining over a game. 

        • Luna Kazemaru

           Not even doing so so get over yourself.

          • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

            Seriously, guys… Stop fighting over practically nothing.

    • HarryHodd

      Considering many gamers see the Wii as a huge disappointment, it’s not surprising.

      • M’iau M’iaut

        And I would remind those ‘many’ gamers as well that if all they wish to do is blindly complain, it can be done elsewhere.

        • HarryHodd

          But its ok to blindly complain about or make fun of the gamers that are disappointed about this?

          • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

            Considering the comment you just clicked “Like” on, I would say yes.

          • HarryHodd

            lol I didn’t know the mods were tracking ‘likes’ around here. Unliked and sorry I thought that comment was funny(in an epic troll kinda way).

          • Umpiresoft

            You hate on Nintendo for no reason other than not wanting to buy the system for a game you wanted to have. So the hate on Nintendo is no were justified 

          • HarryHodd

            I bought a Wii at launch and it ended up being the most disappointing console I’ve ever owned. Just one disappointment after another. My faith in Nintendo is at an all time low because of it. Bayonetta is one of my favorite action games that I was looking forward to the sequel. I don’t hate Niintendo, I’m just not who they are targeting anymore and I don’t have faith in their online system. I mean could you ever imagine Nintendo to make a game like Demon’s Souls?

  • SantiagodelosSantos

    >Xenoblade is totally casual
    …wut?

    • http://insanechronos.tumblr.com/ InsaneChronos

      Try to play Xenogears,Xenosaga or Baten Kaitos, you’ll understand.

      • K Mantle

         I played Baten Kaitos (only the 1st game) and the Xenosaga series (the three games), and I still find your argument invalid

      • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

        I don’t think anyone cares to nitpick to the extent that you are. Xenoblade was a great RPG that is almost universally loved. At the end of the day, all people care about is getting a great game. Unless you have something significantly more concrete and sensible than “Nintendo ruined Xenoblade” to back your argument, I doubt you’ll find anyone taking you seriously.

      • http://www.segalization.com/ Kuronoa

        Played those and still don’t understand your comments.  Give actual examples.

      • SantiagodelosSantos

        A game being different doesn’t make it “totally casual”. 

      • DCBlackbird

        I think simpler is a better word maybe? Baten kaitos wasnt casual for me giacomo you know that whole shebang

  • OatMatadoQuatro

    “PlatinumGames have previously stated that they hope to grow the Bayonetta brand further in partnership with Nintendo.”So they plan more games or different types of adaptations like an OVA or a novel?

  • Spirit Macardi

    *laughs for a good 20 minutes*

    … Oh wait, you’re serious.

  • K Mantle

    And I suppose Sin & Punishment 2 is casual too?

  • http://www.facebook.com/magius.necros Magius Necros

    I’m feeling pretty good right now.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5UFEVTPDTXD33NSMUFMX4TEAMQ Mike

    …..What?

    You wanna explain that or….

    • http://insanechronos.tumblr.com/ InsaneChronos

      1) Story, characters, scenario, gameplay, etc. Xenoblade is not worthy to be Monolith Soft game. Takahashi’s works more complicated and mature.
      2) Nintendo staff was involved in the development of the game.
      3) Maybe. We’re all biased in some things.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/5UFEVTPDTXD33NSMUFMX4TEAMQ Mike

        For “1″ thats your opinion on the subject others of course may feel differently.(and none of what you listed makes a game “Primitive”, it just makes it appeal to a diffrent audience)

        For “2″ yes and so what, that doesen’t mean it’s their fault it just means they were involved(we don’t know how it would’ve turned out without them so that argument is invalid due to lack of information)

        For “3″ that is true, but when arguing something you must be able to look at the overall situation from an unbiased viewpoint or it poisons your argument.

        so In conclusion you have no concrete proof that nintendo messd up Xenoblade, I find your argument is invalid and has been poisend by your biased view of Nintendo.

        Please note that I mean no offense by this statement, and I ask that you have a nice day.

      • M’iau M’iaut

        Odd you would mention game play as a magical defining difference. The harshest critiques of Xenogears almost always relate to read until you drop aspects of disk 2 and how frustrating some of the platform jumping mini-games are. Players concerns with Xenosaga often point to the walk for 15 minutes, watch a 30 minute cutscene.

      • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

        1. A creator is free to take a different approach now and then with their creations; it’s part of their creative freedom. Also, “complicated” and “mature” are not synonymous with “good” – if that term is even enough to serve as a clear explanation. There are many simple games that are well-loved by players, like Mario or Minecraft.

        2. I see no reason why that is a downside. Nintendo has its own pros and cons as a company, but the amount of care and polish they put into their games is undeniable. If anything, they have the knowledge, experience and manpower.

        3. Argument from hypocrisy. Fingerpointing doesn’t add anything to the conversation.

  • http://www.segalization.com/ Kuronoa

    I hope they bring out Bayo 1 too sometime.

  • UUDDLRLR BASTART

    What is this, strange, feeling? Oh, its positive thoughts on a piece of gaming news out of Japan. The deuce, it had been so long that I had forgotten what it felt like…

    • M’iau M’iaut

      You won’t find many of our news posts that don’t emphasize the fun and positive side of our hobby.

      And we even ask the community to do the same in the threads.

      http://www.siliconera.com/open-thread/ 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Farid-Belkacemi/1073052585 Farid Belkacemi

    U mad ? Buy a Wii U :D

    • http://insanechronos.tumblr.com/ InsaneChronos

      Gladly. However, buying Wii U won’t affect Bayonetta 2…

  • SantiagodelosSantos

    >Xenoblade is casual because it’s a primitive game
    > Primitive game
    …wut?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5UFEVTPDTXD33NSMUFMX4TEAMQ Mike

    1.you diden’t explain what makes it Primitive.

    2.You diden’t explain what Nintendo did to make it Primitive.

    3.You seem very Biased in your argument.

    I could go on but this is all I really care to know.

  • HarryHodd

    That’s good, maybe they can reach 60fps.

  • SLick123456789111

    Nintendo pitching in can only make this game better than it would have already been if it was just PG’s making it.

  • Shadowman

    Glade to hear it. Maybe we can play as Jeanne in this one.

    • Kris

      You can actually unlock Jeanne in the first! It’s just a pain in the butt to do so, requiring a million halos and a code or platinum ranks on every chapter. ><

      • WizardoftheBlueOrder

        Platinum on every chapter on NORMAL. (And only normal, doesn’t work on higher difficulties apparently.)

        At least it wasn’t Pure Platinum on every chapter. I never did unlock Super Joe in Viewtiful Joe for that reason. Friggen Ultra V-rated on EVERYTHING.

      • Shadowman

        Ah. But like play in each story like in RE:6

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nick-Tetlow/1301633575 Nick Tetlow

    Will this mean we’ll see references to Nintendo franchises in the game, like they did with Sega games?

    • Zonic505

      Maybe we’ll also get stages based on old Nintendo games, like those stages based on After Burner & Hang-On.

  • Palmer Nyako

    lol nintendo

    • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

      Read our posting guidelines and don’t do this again, or you’ll get banned without question the next time you do. http://www.siliconera.com/open-thread/

      • Palmer Nyako

        weird. it doesn’t look like i insulted nintendo in anyway. could you explain what i did wrong? i’m here a lot and wouldn’t want to get banned. thanks.

        • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

          “lol nintendo” isn’t exactly a very productive comment, is it? It could be considered trolling or insulting, because that’s how it sounds. 

          It isn’t up to other people to dig deep into your comment and try to understand what you really meant. It’s up to you to express yourself as clearly as possible if you don’t want to be misunderstood.

          • Palmer Nyako

            How would the ban work for not posting something productive? Doesn’t that seem a little extreme? But alright i’ll try to edit my comments to siliconera’s standards from now on. Thank you for the warning.

          • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

            It isn’t as if every comment has to be insightful. It could be insightful or funny or anything. But I think it’s fair to say that anyone would look at “lol nintendo” as an attempt to troll, wouldn’t you?

          • Palmer Nyako

            I can see that. I could’ve done a better job in how i wrote my thoughts. It was more of, i wasn’t expecting nintendo to be directly partnering with a company outside of their own main franchises. Thank you again for the warning!

          • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

            No worries, thanks for understanding. :)

  • masaYT

    These days its best to own all consoles, what’s the point in being a console fanboy/girl when you miss out on what the other consoles offer too.

    Anyway, looking forward to this game. :)

    • DCBlackbird

      Never thought id meet another of my kin and as im typing this on my psvita im cleaning my wii not trying to brag so please dont misunderstand iishaan

    • Luna Kazemaru

      Because everyine has that type of money….yeah

      • DCBlackbird

        Well at least you gave reason 

        • Luna Kazemaru

           Well I’ll be honest I came off rude there I own all the consoles myself along with the handles but I am willing to bet not everyone has that amount of funds .

  • ShawnOtakuSomething

    Your going to hate me for saying this but…..It would be funny if you unlock Peach haha

    • SolidusSnake

      That would be badass

      • SLick123456789111

         This

        • Mrgrgr and Unacceptable World

          Peach Witch? Count me in lol.^_^

  • http://www.senran-international.boards.net/ TwinTails

    Expect to see Samus’ zero suit and Zelda’s dress as unlockable outfits in the game.

    • Palmer Nyako

       That’s what i’m thinking.

    • Barzh

       Oh god no please lol

  • DCBlackbird

    Can’t react to this…… It came outta nowhere never thought nintendo would enter this field well they definately put there touch on the title design 

  • http://twitter.com/Jumendezsama Jumendez

    I can’t wait to see Bayonetta in the next Super Smash Bros.

    • DCBlackbird

      If it has the same effect as ike did and they play the first……Hopefully no child gets curious especially since this is a protagonist named game one the easiest to find

  • Brandonmkii

    I own all console and have plenty of time to have a life. Don’t generalize.

  • Göran Isacson

    Others brought up the idea of Nintendo character cosplay outfits, and I must admit that idea intrigues me and is relevant to my interests.  What else could there be… Peach’s dress? Cameo by Midna? Those two ARE awesome ladies who fight with their hair after all…

    • SantiagodelosSantos

      Zero suit samus would fit in well with bayonetta’s look. Plus she has a gun and wip like weapons. 

      • Göran Isacson

        Eh, it’s not like you’re WRONG, but I think Zero Suit Samus is a kind of… dull look? Idk, to me it’s just naked Samus but with blue bodypaint covering the naked. So… kinda drab. But I’m weird like that, I’m more of a either/or kinda guy. To catch my eye I like lady character to wear nothing at all, or elaborate and ornate outfits that just wow you with how striking they are.

  • Mrgrgr and Unacceptable World

    Man the amount of hate for this game is sad.T_T I thought everyone have already knows that this game would not even exist without Nintendo help?

    http://nintendoeverything.com/100010/no-bayonetta-2-without-nintendo-platinum-thinking-about-gamepad-features-teaser-trailer-talk/

    And how can people said that with Nintendo staff joining in, the quality will drop? Nintendo games like the recent Xenoblade, The Last Story and Pandora Tower is considered as one of Jrpg gems when Jrpg genre has been declining on home consoles.

    Hope people actually would use their logic first before went to the hate bandwagon.

    • Riseabovethesky

      Since Nintendo is ready to invest in a sequel to Bayonetta, it must mean they where please with what they saw in the first game and trust in PG abilities to develop the next installment in the franchise. Because of that, I believe Nintendo’s interfering will be kept at a minimum and that we are very lucky that a sequel will even see the light of day.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/5UFEVTPDTXD33NSMUFMX4TEAMQ Mike

      I’m just going to say that the hate can be blamed on both sides of the argument.
       
      Nintendo Fanboys need to put themselves in the other sides shoes and stop fanning the Flames,(Seriously grow up, minlessly expressing confusion and spewing insults of peoples taste with no intention of understanding the other sides views won’t help the view that people already have on the Nintendo Fan base)also you constantly miss the point of the venom, some people don’t have the money to buy a whole other system to continue this franchise(I myself incuded don’t have the money for a Wii U but will get the game anyway to support the Dev and for the hope that the system will impress me in the Future)
       
      The same of course can be said about Microsoft and Sony Fan boys who don’t even take the time to explain their viewpoint without mindlessly hating on a company and Franchise(I know its a big hit to you, I know that you may not have the money to buy a new system but thats no excuse to mindlessly hate and hope for the failure of what could be a great game), Nintendo has shown that they have something to offer to the Gaming community as a whole and has done some Impressing things down the line.

      Now as I said before both sides seriously need to grow up and THINK before making an argument for their viewpoint(put yourself in the other persons shoes, and be polite, If someone comes off as insulting and bigatory ignore them and know that you are the bigger man/woman for not hiding behind the guise of the internet to comletely lack any type of decorum or respect.

      That is all, I thank you for your time and I apologize if you felt Insulted in any way shape or form that was not my intention.As for why I have posted this, UI thought that people needed to get over this situation(I know the No one will listen to me or even stopto think about this the next time they post) 
       
       and apologies to theworldofnoboundries none of this was directed at you.

      • Mrgrgr and Unacceptable World

        NP lol.^_^ I understand what you mean there. I agree here that both sides is wrong here.

        While the anger for the previous fans is understandable, but it does not mean that it is right to shout and send dead threat to the game developers there. They are company on the first here. Of course their main objective would to obtain profit to allow them stays in this business as long as they can. So it would be a good thing if the fans can actually accept this.

        For Nintendo fans themselves, they also have their faults as i have seen a lot of the fans there mocking the other sides. It is just the same as pouring oil to a burning fire there. Some Nintendo fans even said ” I don’t know what Bayonetta is by i am sure that i will love them as many gamer that can’t played this game cried so hard only to play this game there.”
        That response surely shows how both sides here is really wrong here.

        Hope that both sides will calm down there and tries to accept this new progress. Even if some of the gamer miss this one title, it is not the end of the world there.

      • Umpiresoft

        if you could buy a ps3 you could by two system don’t use that lame excuse and lets look at some things Nintendo miss out on some games as well… I wouldn’t be speaking 

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/5UFEVTPDTXD33NSMUFMX4TEAMQ Mike

          And when did I say they diden’t miss out on stuff?It doesen’t give people the right to forget how to have civilized conversation and fanning flames that should have already died out.

          and “NO” it’s not a “lame” excuse, You don’t know of my or anyone elses financial situation to be making that call, some people can’t buy another system(I myself being one of them)

          Normally I’d try to be nice about this but as you seem to be intentionally ignorant to a very obvious issue many face,”Grow up and stop being ignorant. “

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/jodecideion?feature=mhum TheWon and Only

        Really? The problem has been everyone else. Nintendo Fanboys have been no where near the problem in this issue. Nintendo fan have dealt with not getting games since the N64. You know what they did bought another system or just didn’t play those games. Sony fans lose one game and all hell break loose. AKA GTA 4 on Xbox first, Final Fantasy on Xbox, Tekken on Xbox  and Monster Hunter on 3DS need I say more. So you want Nintendo fans to feel sorry for Microsoft or Sony fans. When they have to buy another system to play the games they like. When Nintendo fans have been doing it since 1996. I’ll say this get a job or stop gaming. Gaming is a expensive hobby, and if you can’t afford it get another one.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/5UFEVTPDTXD33NSMUFMX4TEAMQ Mike

          Grow up. simple as that(not you specifically of course just the people who make comments like the one featured in this post). you obviously have no Idea how to have a logical argument if you can’t even step back and look at the bigger picture.

          Nintendo Fan boys are fanning flames that should have died out long ago(more things get resolved by merely shrugging it off and going on with your life which the Nintendo Fandom with the exception of some have failed miserably at), and in this economy getting a job is not as simple as you seem to imply.(everyone has the right to live their life the way they wish so get off your High horse)

          “AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH­AHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          It’s really funny seeing all these butthurt fanboys whining about one game not being in their favorite consoles. AHA–AH—AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH­AHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

          This is one of the many comments made by some people of the Nintendo Fandom, and you say they aren’t part of the problem??? This is not how one should act under ANY circumstance(I think we can at least agree on that) this could only serve to increase the venom and hate towards this subject.

          and I don’t care about 1996 this is 2012,(Your big boys and girls now it’s time to put away the bottles and start trying to rectify the situation instead of pouring gas on the fire) and I never said anything about feeling sorry for them(you could hate them for all I care, just stop making the situation worse then it already is) I’m just saying to understand the situation another person is in(which shoulden’t even be required to ask)

          And I also remember saying that BOTH sides are to blame, Nitendo fanboys are to blame, Microsoft Fanboys are to blame and Sony Fanboys are to blame.(I’m not picking on Nintendo but the Fandom has their share of blood on their hands, I’ll be it not as much as Sony or Microsoft but your hands are bloodied nonetheless)

          so good for you, you have an exclusive, so drop it and stop making the situation worse then it already is.(Next time read the ENTIRE post before replying and You’d know that what I said has NOTHING to do with exclusives, but if you whant to go that route then you know how it feels to be forced to buy another system to continue a franchise, so why rub it in?why treat them in a way in which you’d never wanna be treated? childish thats all it is.)

          You all have to get over the whole “Exclusive” argument because thats not some huge catch all to explain away acting like Spoiled children.

          Thank you, Have a Nice day and Kindly grow up(not you specifially of course just people who post comments that inflame the situation):)

          and I’ll end this in a saying, “There is no such thing as a Good Fandom, only varying degrees of bad to worse”-not me, dude who I swear knows way to much.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/5UFEVTPDTXD33NSMUFMX4TEAMQ Mike

          Know that I may have misunderstood the direction of your defense(if so I apologize) the nintendo Fandom is not to blame for how all this began but is partially to blame for the reason it continues till now.

          You are still horribly wrong on the money thing(you have right to tell someone what they should or should not do, that is their freedom as gamers, and of course not many people have the money to buy a new system)

          I’m not saying that is Right or wrong I’m going from anothers view point(I myself don’t care I’m going off the arguments I’ve seen) If I was not clear in this I apologize for the misunderstanding.

  • Leon Geshte

    As long as they don’t mess with much of what Bayonetta is then I’m ok with it and can’t wait for it to come out, just need to get a Wii U sometime as well

  • DanijoEX

    Crap…

    You guys had gone blown this article up big time… 

    I honestly have no problem with this kind of thing. If they want partnership with Nintendo for the sake of it, let’em. 

    • Mrgrgr and Unacceptable World

      If only many gamers can actually respond like you there.T_T

  • enorka miho

    The problem here isn’t the fact that they switch consoles.. Its nothing like like FFXIII’s case…Thing is for bayonetta, people are unwilling to fork out another dime for Wii-U.. Unless you are a parent yourself..

    You see, most of the third party games are releasing for all platforms, meaning owning any one console will pretty much be enough, what with bad economies these days, no one can afford everything.. So they have to evaluate the worthiness of the machine..So, You don’t go expecting most of the people to get a console just for that one game.. That is why people rage…

    However, there is one way to solve this issue, is if Nintendo would give gamers more games with solid stories that are not for children..

    • Peace Legacy

       …that’s the whole point to console exclusive game
      If you don’t have money for the console, then you are not the game’s targeted audience, simple as that
      Wii U will perform well
      Bayonetta 2 will perform well
      Poor people’s rage ain’t gonna change anything

    • Suicunesol

      You’re not being very consistent. The first part of your post mentions people not willing to shell out money for a new system just for a single game. Makes sense. Then in the latter part you mention that this issue can be solved if Nintendo makes more “mature” games. That is to say that the issue isn’t the fact that it’s a new system–it’s the company itself you have an issue with.

      There you go. Here it is. Bayonetta 2 on a Nintendo system. Bloody, gushing mature games right here on your Nintendo. And it’s exclusive. That should solve the problem right?

      I suppose this is a test for the Bayonetta brand itself–to see if the brand truly has a hardcore enough fanbase to buy a new system just for Bayonetta. Let’s see if that fanbase delivers.

      • enorka miho

        I suppose there is allot of wii fan here… Regardless, here goes..

        Well, what i mean here is if unless Wii-U has got more mature exclusives for themselves then that would solve the problem…People will not rage.. But If most of the third party are going to release for all three platform people will then start to think twice if that one game itself is worthy enough for them to get a Wii-u… The bad economy is just a kickstart for people in making more decision than they usually do, simple as that… Its not all about their ability to own the console.. So, you see, if Bayonetta 2 is the only game we get, then what? We wait for another year to get another exclusive? Will that not be a waste of money? I could have get a couple of extra games buying the console! Also, not everyone enjoy mario or pigmin or any other Wii games.. 

        On a side note, sad or not, that is not relevant, just because you can enjoy everything, doesn’t mean everyone else is the same.. If so, then how can we create something new? It is due to the fact that people have different preferences that they can come up with many things.. So, there you go..

    • Umpiresoft

      Thinking Nintendo is only for kids still to this day needs to end seriously grow a pair of balls dude already and get over it.

      • enorka miho

        FYI, that pair of Balls you have are soft.. Dude.. Btw, Nintendo is clearly still targeting families and children (mostly)…

  • FFmax

    So is this good or bad or somewhere in the middle?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/5UFEVTPDTXD33NSMUFMX4TEAMQ Mike

      Middle unfortunately.

      Good because it shows that Nintendo takes an interest and may make the game better in some way.

      Bad for the conversations that pop up during this topic(Just look below, or at other articles on Bayonneta 2)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Obb/100001994017630 Jimmy Dean

    lol RIP Bayonetta. This is exactly what killed Fatal Frame, I knew it would happen here too.

    • M’iau M’iaut

      Please elaborate, since this is at least the second time you have posted this opinion masquerading as a fact. IMO Neither Sin and Punishment or Xenoblade were adversely harmed by direct involvement. Fatal Frame IV/Project Zero, or whatever one chooses to call it certainly was not universally derided and I’d suspect most changes from the Fatal Frame ‘script’ were the result of Suda’s involvement, not some unknown suit from Nintendo.

    • Mrgrgr and Unacceptable World

      *Facepalm* You guys just never stop don’t you?

      At least elaborate why does Nintendo involvement kills Fatal Frame series there. Rather than keep saying Nintendo kills franchises there.

  • Ethan_Twain

    Well that’s interesting.  It’s times like this that I wish Nintendo was less monolithic to the public eye and we had a better idea of the staff and personalities inside the company.  Depending on who’s working with Platinum on this project, this could go any number of directions.  This could be just a business type interaction, with the Nintendo producers representing the publisher the way it works in any third party/publisher relationship.  Or it could be a Nintendo specific marketing thing, with the producers job being to make sure there isn’t any content in Bayonetta 2 that could tarnish Nintendo’s family friendly image.

    Or maybe this more a hands on position influencing the development.  That’s the really interesting possiblity.  What if this is the producer from Fatal Frame IV, someone who’s dealt with Suda before so is unlikely to be phased by whatever crazy hijinks Platinum comes up with.  Or maybe it’s a producer pulled from Alphadream.  Or Intelligent Systems.  Maybe it’s the Camelot liason guy?  All of these different Nintendo development crews have distinct personalities that shine through in their products, so really just hearing that there’s a producer from “Nintendo” doesn’t suggest anything at all.

    Best case scenario?  Wouldn’t it be cool if someone with experience working on the Paper Mario franchise were assigned to this project?  Not only are those excellent games, but I feel like an injection of Paper Mario’s refusal to take itself seriously would benefit Bayonetta a ton.  That game took it’s narrative far too seriously for a game about a witch wearing a living hair suit.

    • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

      Nintendo are fairly secretive, but I think through all the various Iwata Asks interviews, you do get a somewhat decent idea of their different producers and their personalities. The thing with Nintendo’s creators and producers is that they have such a vast range that it’s hard to “categorize” them into any specific genre or type of game.

      (For example, one of the ladies that was heavily involved with Style Savvy on DS also went on to oversee development of Sin & Punishment 2 and Xenoblade.)

      Going by some of Nintendo’s recent collaborations, though, I’m inclined to think that the person overseeing Bayonetta 2 will likely turn out to be Hitoshi Yamagami, who heads up the SPD2 department. Yamagami was one of the Nintendo supervisors on Xenoblade, Sin & Punishment 2, Pandora’s Tower, Style Savvy and Endless Ocean. Bayonetta 2 sounds like it would fit right in.

      If Yamagami is involved with the project, then Yurie Hattori, the lady I mentioned earlier, likely will be as well, since she’s worked on a lot of the same projects as him in the past.

      It would probably be a good thing for her to be involved as well. As interesting as Bayonetta is, it isn’t a game I’d feel comfortable playing around other people one bit. If having a female developer involved can help them balance that out a little better, and not make it quite so… trampy… that would be nice. 

      The other (less likely) possibility is Kensuke Tanabe, head of SPD3. Tanabe usually deals with overseas studios, though. He’s the person who acts as the liaison with Retro Studios, Monster Games, Next Level Games and so on. He’s probably busy overseeing Luigi’s Mansion 2 and whatever Retro are working on.

      • Ethan_Twain

        Wow.  As ever, you know your stuff.  Even though the your information didn’t lead to any insight into this particular project, I am once again impressed by the depth of your knowledge and I’m grateful that you actually scan the comments and chat with us.  Thanks a ton.

        • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

          No problem! I enjoy talking with folks in the comments. That’s one of the nicer parts of the job. :)

      • puchinri

         Honestly, having more female input could be a lifesaver quite a bit. (Not that women also can’t contribute to the problematic parts, but I don’t feel that’d be the case with Hattori?)

        I didn’t realize how many titles overlapped between Hattori and Yamagami (well, the diversity they worked on). That’s pretty cool, and also something I like about Nintendo and their variety in everything. It is interesting to wonder about who could be involved, and I can’t wait to see the Iwata Asks for the game (and other talk and interviews).

  • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

    No offence to Nintendo, but what do they know about Modern 3D Hack and Slash? Especially given that Kamiya basically invented the genre with DMC.
    Hopefully they will just stick with Advertising and hyping Nintendo Fanboys.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nick-Tetlow/1301633575 Nick Tetlow

      The battle system already exists, I highly doubt Nintendo’s presence is going to somehow mess it up.

      Also “Nintendo Fanboys”. Nice.

      • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

        Bayo fans would already be sold on the game, It’s Nintendo’s job to sell Nintendo fans on it.

    • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

      “what do they know about Modern 3D Hack and Slash?”

      Even if we assume that they don’t, the game is still being developed by Platinum. And the basic system is already there.

      • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

        Obviously, Which is why I said hopefully Nintendo doesn’t try to throw their weight around during development. Especially since they “Basically paid for the whole thing”

        • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

          I doubt they paid for a (seemingly) highly anticipated game just to screw it up. Of course, refinements will likely be made – system-wise or mechanics-wise.

          While I’m not completely against your suggestion that they might interfere with the development, that’s just one assumption out of multiple possibilities – none of which we can know or prove because they’re behind-the-scenes business information. Besides, “involvement” isn’t necessarily the same as “interference”.

          • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

            Because producers are often known for giving teams large amounts of money and giving them free reign on projects.

            “While I’m not completely against your suggestion that they might interfere with the development”

            Then why are you starting crap? I never said they would for sure.

    • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

      What did Nintendo know about first-person shooters when they developed Metroid Prime? Or about 100-hour-long story-driven RPGs when they assisted on Xenoblade?

      • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

        Metroid was a long established series, and POV aside it still stuck pretty close to the Metroid formula, it was a auto-lock FPS on top of that.

        And Xenoblade didn’t even crack a million, not exactly a rousing success compared to the majority of their first party games. Though it did fairly well given their almost complete lack of advertising for the game. And they aren’t completely new to RPG’s, Earthbound series, and a tiny series called Paper Mario ring a bell?

        EDIT: And you snarky comments aside, that still doesn’t answer what insight Nintendo could have that the inventor of the Genre wouldn’t know. They would be of better use for them to hype and advertise the game than try to intervene on development.

        • http://myfigurecollection.net/collection/ashgail Ashgail

          You’re assuming they’re going to “intervene” in development, which is just an assumption. Two heads are better than one, maybe they could bring something new that even Kamiya couldn’t think off. 

          • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

            Did you read the tweet? It said Nintendo Producers are working on the game. To what extent is the question.

            Producers can often drain the soul out of a project, especially if they have no grasp on the goal of the game. Look at how pissed the “Spec Ops: The Line” Team got over the forced in Online by Producers.

          • http://myfigurecollection.net/collection/ashgail Ashgail

            I did, but the way you’re trying to find fault with everything and assuring you’re right over something theoretical isn’t exactly what I’d call an argument. 

            Also if you think Kamiya would actually let other people intervene in his work… Yeah I’ll leave it at that.

          • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

            No, you are assuming I am “Assured” they will intervene.

            If you actually read my opening post you will see I simply said I hope they don’t.

            EDIT: Oh, Surely he would never let anyone interfere with his series…

            Besides the sequels to DMC he wasn’t involved with, the Okami Sequel he wasn’t involved with, the Viewtiful Joe sequels he wasn’t involved with, the Bayonetta sequel he’s giving to a fairly untested director…

        • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

          But Earthbound and especially Paper Mario work on different concepts and styles compared to the more widespread types of JRPGs. Earthbound is so out of the ordinary to describe in a few words, although the interface is still somewhat traditional, I suppose. Paper Mario is still relatively closer to the basic systems of Mario games – it largely retains platforming, in particular – than a typical JRPG.

          • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

            Absolutely wrong, Earthbound’s gameplay is as traditional as JRPG’s come. The story is the big diversion from the norm for the time.

            Even Paper Mario sticks to the common turn based and stat based systems of RPG’s, even with armor and badges working as skills. The biggest diversion is the timing of the blocking and attacks amplifying your damage and defense, but that’s hardly a major change.

        • PreyMantis

          You’re missing the point. If Nintendo didn’t know a thing about first-person shooters, how did they create one of the greatest shooter out there? The same thing with Xenoblade, how did they made a great game like Xenoblade if they had no prior experience on real-time action-based gameplay system? Mind explaining us that?

          • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

            Because they based it heavily on the existing Metroid formula. The FPS elements themselves were fairly barebones, it was a autoaim FPS.

            Realtime action based gameplay system… you mean like… ZELDA?

          • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

            Uh, no. Metroid Prime is a game that has heavily influenced a number of games, both first- and third-person, since its release. It also does a number of things that other FPSes over the years have tried to do and failed.

            Things like the scan visor, the 3D level design, the first-person platforming—which is something very few games do well—and the bosses are all part of what make Metroid Prime a very impressive game, even aside from its Metroid roots. 

            Please stop talking like you have any inkling of what you’re even talking about any more. Your entire list of comments on this page is a poor joke with no substantial evidence beyond “BAAWWWW NINTENDO” to back it up.

      • eilegz

         its not that nintendo develop them since its others who its doing the job, mostly second party…

        and seriously metroid prime sucks its a crappy fps wannabe halo but fail in every aspect. i rather play an proper metroid game like other M and 2d ones.

        RPG in many aspects nintendo its beign good with pokemon and zelda

      • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

        Last I checked platforming was a big part of Metroid’s classic formula, of course it would make the transition to 3D. And Games like Jumping Flash had extremely solid 3D First Person Platforming long before Prime.

        3D level design? REALLY? Was Duke Nukem 3D never on your radar? Bosses? Are you really saying there were no good BOSSES in FPS’s before Prime? Cyber Demon, Icon of Sin, Mecha Hitler, SHODAN.

        I never said Prime was a bad game at all, there you go putting more words in my mouth. But the core FPS elements were all fairly simple. The added Metroid Elements are what made it stand out.

        EDIT: Besides RE:Revelations, I can’t really think of any shooters that use Scanners to a heavy extent, and even in that game it was annoying padding to make item collection more time consuming to make it seem more “Survival Horror-y”

        • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

          I’m not going to pursue this senseless argument with you any more, but I will say that transitioning from 2D to 3D isn’t some magically simple process like you make it out to be. It takes effort, and it takes loads of playtesting. Ultimately, Metroid Prime was a first-person game with elements that took full advantage of its perspective, through and through.

          The fact of the matter is that Retro/Iguana had experience developing first-person games, and Nintendo (who had none) were heavily involved with the project as its supervisor. End result: a fantastic game.

          In the case of Xenoblade, the situation was exactly the same. A team with a strong culture of their own and a knack for developing RPGs, together with Nintendo, made one of the best-received role-playing games this generation.

          I have no reason to believe Bayonetta will be any different. There’s far more recent evidence against your argument than in favour of it. If you aren’t willing to accept that and admit you’re wrong, despite all the people pointing it out, I can’t help you.

          • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

            I never said it was, you were the one saying Prime was a Bleeding Edge FPS that changed the landscape of FPS’s.
            It was a great game, sure. But the FPS elements themselves were fairly simple. The brunt of the work was transitioning the Metroid Formula to First Person and Full 3D. The FPS Metroid-style game is not a big trend in gaming, and neither is the scanning or simplified auto-aim mechanics the game introduced.The difference between Xenoblade and Bayonetta is that Nintendo has made scores of fantastic RPG’s in the past. The only Hack and Slash the defenders can think of is Pandora’s Tower, a game with mixed reviews and mediocre sales.As apposed to DMC/Bayonetta which were both critical darlings and sold quite well.

          • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

            Metroid Prime didn’t “change the landscape” of FPSes, no, but it did heavily influence many games after. Look at Batman: Arkham Asylum, for example. That game is effectively Batman with a Metroid Prime-esque level design. 

            A game doesn’t necessarily have to influence the future of its own genre in order to be influential. But anyway, we’re getting off topic here.

            Nintendo have never, ever made ANY role-playing game of the same scope and ambition as Xenoblade. Never. That game also uses an MMO-like battle system, which is a genre that Nintendo have never dabbled in. 

            If you want to continue doing this, you’re going to have to bring better arguments than that. You don’t seem to be doing anything other than making very generalized statements without any specific instances or examples to back them up.

          • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

            Yes, Arkham City did have Metroid Styled maps. It’s called a Metroidvania game, and they’ve been around since Metroid 1. Making it 3D doesn’t count it as an entirely new Concept. 

            Most MMO-styled games use a traditional RPG system, just in a pseudo realtime format. Statistic and/or Dice Roll based combat, just with the superficial player movements. Even so, Nintendo still has substantial RPG skills. Paper Mario and Earthbound are some of the best RPG’s ever. DMC styled game on the other hand are nearly non-existent on the platform.  

          • M’iau M’iaut

            For the sake of discussion, let’s accept your last thought as fact. If you ‘know’ you can’t do something, going out and paying for the best to do their best on your behalf is brilliant business.

            NMH, NMH2, Madworld, PN03, Oneechanbara and even Death Jr. are pretty existent over-the-top crazy action games on Nintendo’s platforms. And those are the result of 4 minutes of thinking.

          • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

            And none of those games are nearly the same Caliber as Kamiya’s DMC/Bayo. The combat in DMC is leagues ahead of those games.

            The difference between Nintendo Intervening in a RPG Genre like Xenoblade, that they are quite excellent at, and DMC styled Action game are miles apart in quality. If anything Nintendo should be asking Kamiya for pointers.
            Are you really saying that Nintendo would be better off giving Kamiya and crew game design advice than they would be promoting the game?

          • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

            You’re really reaching with that RPG argument. If you want to go that far, then all action games are basically the same under the surface as well, and Bayonetta is simply a faster version of Zelda with more moves, less puzzles, more enemies and the ability to jump.

            See how crazy that sounds? This is reaching absurd levels of ridiculousness, and I’m sure you realize it, even though you may not be ready to admit it. 

            Either way, let’s put it to rest. If the game comes out and is bad, you can crib all you want. In the meantime, I see Japan’s most powerful and intelligent publisher teamed with one of the best Japanese developers. To me, that’s more of a good thing than bad.

    • PreyMantis

      Ever heard of Pandora’s Tower? Another great hack and slash game, which was also published and co-developed by Nintendo. The Zelda series can also almost be like a hack and slash games themselves, considering you hack and slash enemies throughout the games. So, yeah, Nintendo knows a lot about modern hack and slash games.

      Geez, is it just me or are people doubting Nintendo can’t do anything beyond Mario and Zelda? Considering they have the most diverse genres in the industry, this comments puzzles the heck out of me. Nintendo had been out making games even before Sony entered the console war, and (c0rrect me if I’m wrong) as far as I can know, there is no genre they haven’t touched.

      • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

        I have heard of it, unfortunately not many did because it wasn’t pushed very well, or even released in the US.
        And it wasn’t made by Kamiya either. Next you are going to tell me Nintendo could show John Carmack how to improve the FPS?

        • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

          “And it wasn’t made by Kamiya either. Next you are going to tell me Nintendo could show John Carmack how to improve the FPS?”

          Those two lines have no bearing on the conversation whatsoever. He didn’t put Pandora’s Tower as an example because Kamiya worked on it; he put it up because it’s a hack-and-slash game co-developed with Nintendo. And I don’t know why you even brought up 1st-person shooters, aside from taking a jab at him.

          • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

            Are you serious? My whole point is that Kamiya is the father of the Genre and I doubt Nintendo could teach him much on game design, He’s one of the best ever. RE2, Okami, Bayonetta, DMC, Viewtiful Joe… 

            And Pandora’s Tower isn’t exactly a glowing success or example of the Genre.

          • PreyMantis

            Kamiya as father? Hack and slash games were already out even before Kamiya entered the video game industry. So, no, he’s not the father of the genre. Using your logic, Kamiya’s games aren’t as great as the one who started the whole genre because he isn’t the father of the same genre. Does that even make sense to you?

            Anyway, we’re getting side-tracked here. The point is, you can’t judge a game until it’s out there, so chill out.

        • malek86

          Are you trying to imply that, after Carmack invented FPS with Wolfenstein and later Doom/Quake, there has never been any better game since?

          Imagine when Valve came along and started working on Half-Life… I guess you must have said “oh gee, this Gabe Newell guy has got nothing on Carmack, why does he even bother making a game?”.

          Just because someone first had an idea, doesn’t mean that someone else can’t improve on it later. I don’t necessarily think it will be Nintendo in this case, but I’m not gonna immediately rule out the possibility either.

          • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

            I’m trying to imply that Nintendo, A company that has 3 notable FPS games in their entire library, probably wouldn’t have much to teach the guy who basically popularized the entire genre.

            Though you would realize that if you actually read what  I typed.

          • malek86

            I disagree with that. In fact, it might be more likely for Carmack to learn something from Nintendo, who having almost never made a FPS could have some new concepts for it, whereas Epic or Valve would probably teach nothing to Carmack since he would already know what they can do with the genre.

            But you seem pretty adamant on the fact that a newcomer can’t possibly be better than the master, even though it’s happened multiple times before. Like I said, Half-Life undoubtedly revolutionized FPS, and it was Valve’s very first effort. And if we wanna go back a little, Unreal and Quake 2 were playing toe-to-toe even though Epic Games had never made a FPS before. There’s countless examples like these.

          • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

            I take it you didn’t play Doom 3 then? That was a pretty big step for the Survival Horror FPS.

            EDIT: Nevermind, I misunderstood your point.

            Theoretically Nintendo could improve the project, but it’s just as likely they could mess it up. So I don’t really see what your point is. Is it that hard to admit that the could in theory do something to hurt the project, that’s all I’m saying.

          • malek86

            Look, don’t get me wrong. I also think the end result will likely be either absolutely the same (ie. they just let Kamiya do his stuff) or negative (ie. they interfere too much).

            But I’m thinking it would “probably” be a bad thing. While you almost seem to be thinking it will “surely” be a bad thing.

            Have a little faith, will you?

          • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

            Faith from a company who has very little experience in the field and a long running iffy reputation with third parties?

            Sure, it could be great. But my doubt is hardly unfounded. Hopefully you are right. But you aren’t really going to sit there and say that Kamyia isn’t capable of popping out a masterpiece of his own?

          • PreyMantis

            Your post makes it sound like Nintendo is the one making the game. Involvement doesn’t equally mean they’re also there working with the game. It can mean several things like providing guides on how to utilize the power of the Wii U, how to use the devkit properly, provide gameplay ideas, etc.

            Let me ask you this: how many games were so bad that they’re almost unplayable that were co-developed by Nintendo?

      • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

        Wait… Did you really just say that Zelda is the same Genre as Bayonetta?

        • PreyMantis

          I’m not saying Zelda is the same genre as Bayonetta, but has some elements of hacking and slashing. Prove me wrong if Zelda has no hacking and slashing battles.

          • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

            It has a first person view for the bow, which you shoot.

            Are you also saying it’s a first person shooter?

          • puchinri

             Shooting from bows existed before guns. ;’D

          • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

            Are you kidding? When I say “Modern 3D hack and slash” you all know I mean games like DMC, Ninja Gaiden, God of War, Lords of Shadows, ECT.

            I can’t really recall any games like that before DMC, that were anywhere near as influential and well received at least.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Obb/100001994017630 Jimmy Dean

      The problem with Nintendo being involved isn’t so much about gameplay, but more about censorship. Although they can ruin gameplay too.

      A fine example of both is the Fatal Frame 2 Wii “remake.” They added a mini-map to a HORROR GAME which you can’t even turn off, and forced the dev team to redesign the characters because they felt they looked too young.

      They also toned down the difficulty, a LOT. In the Fatal Frame Wii games you will never wonder about what you’re supposed to do or where to go next because the map will come up on screen and show you without you even asking.

      • http://www.facebook.com/valiusPIU Kevin Tan

        Hmmm… have you seen the Nintendo version of Ninja Gaiden 3?  Even first-party games like Xenoblade, The Last Story, Pandora’s Tower, or Regenleiv don’t strike me as very children friendly.  This is also the same Nintendo that published Eternal Darkness.  I think we’ll be fine.

        • eilegz

           one thing its publish and otehr co develop, since nintendo team its working in this game so many things will change.

    • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

      You know what, Sorry I said something slightly bad about the great and mighty Nintendo. 

      How dare I question the glowing perfection of the masterful Nintendo. 

      • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

        All people are saying is that you’re taking a mere assumption as fact. None of us are attacking you; you’re the one dropping jabs and sarcasm. If you’re not willing to take discussions like a grown-up, I don’t recommend starting any.

        • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

          Except I never said that. I see a bunch of people putting words into my mouth.

          As I clearly said in the opening post, I HOPE Nintendo doesn’t interfere.

          EDIT: “None of us are attacking you”

          ” If you’re not willing to take discussions like a grown-up, I don’t recommend starting any.”

          Stay Classy Guys

          • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

            Hey, don’t start pointing fingers when you’re the one bringing up one example after another about how producers can ruin the development. You didn’t say it outright, but the implication is there. I’m not agreeing or denying what you said, because like I said, it’s not a factor we can know. I’m already repeating myself, so I’m dropping the topic here.

            “Stay Classy Guys”

            What I said was as straight to the point as it could have been; no indirect jabs, no personal attacks, no sarcasm. I even bothered considering you point of view and not dismiss it outright. If you’re not willing to respect the people you’re arguing with, don’t bother starting a discussion. That’s not just the basic manners for debates; it’s basic manners for everywhere.

            I hoped you’d behave a little better with the new account of yours, Laharl. But I guess not.

          • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

            If you didn’t want an argument, why did you start one?

            Yes, I implied that producers can ruin projects, it happens all the time. I never said for sure that Nintendo would ruin it, I just hope they don’t and pointed out that they have almost no experience in the Genre.
            You are the ones twisting my words into attacks, you are the one making passive aggressive attacks.

          • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

            We’re twisting your words? Oh, that’s just swell. People put counterarguments to what you said, you reply with less than respectful undertones, and when they bring it up, you pretend innocent and play the victim card?

            You know what? I’m done with you. This isn’t the first time you’ve done it either; you take people’s replies in worse ways and then start fights.

          • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

            Besides, What’s wrong with pointing out reprehension at producers ruining the project?

            I’m I not allowed to voice concern? Especially in a untested field for the company?

            It’s not like a said “Nintendo is a sack of crap that ruins all the things they touch and their fans should be lynched”, I simply pointed out my concern of a outside party interfering with the work of a genre master.

          • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

            I don’t really see how “I hope they don’t mess it up” Is argument bait. Then again, I said something vaguely, theoretically, bad about a video game company on the internet. I should have expected people to read too much into and put words into my mouth.

            EDIT: I also don’t see what’s wrong with pointing out other examples of producer interference to show that it happens in the industry and I’m not just needlessly paranoid.

            I can’t really think of any notable examples of Nintendo doing, but seeing the reaction I got for implying that Nintendo Could possible do it, I see why.

          • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

            You’re seriously using the “loyalist” argument now, after all they did to explain themselves? If you think you have enough examples to base your inconfidence on, others have just as many examples to base their confidence on. That doesn’t mean a thing for either side; these are mere speculations on each side, which may or may not become true. The real problem here is that you took their points as attacks on yours, and replied with less than savory tones. It’s not about what you said, but more about how you said it.

            Anyway, end of sub-thread. Call these speculations and leave it at that.

          • http://twitter.com/SteveMcQuark Zack Bentley

            I never said it was anything more then speculation, which is why I said I hope they don’t interfere.

            You are the ones saying I think Nintendo will ruin it. I just said they have no experience in the field and I wouldn’t want them to interfere. And Pandora’s Tower is hardly comparable to DMC/Bayonetta. Especially in the Review Score/Reception department. And the whole one being a RPG thing.

  • Aisioux

    I respect Nintendo a lot, but to read Bayonetta 2 being exclusive to Nintendo. Two words came to mind: Epic Fail. How are you going to go exclusive on a sequal lmao “are you serious?” (yes I know my sentences are on crack). I am just disappointed at Nintendo for this move.

    • Mrgrgr and Unacceptable World

      I don’t really understand how can this move be “Epic Fail” there. If you remember, Ace Combat franchise before stuck on PS from PS1 era till PS2 but Ace Combat 6 is released on 360 Exclusive too. Where 360 there never had the taste of Ace Combat franchise at all.

      Do you get disappointed by Microsoft moves too there?

      Nintendo publish the game, means they actually funded the game there which is why it becomes exclusive title. Why should Nintendo allow this game on other consoles when they are the ones who actually spends money for this game to exist?

      • Aisioux

        I agree with what you said, 100%. My gripe comes with Bayonetta successor is being on a completely new console, when in my opinion should of been on PS3 And Xbox360. In the end, it is what it is. I say hold on to your internet if Call of Duty becomes exclusive to the Wii U.

        • http://www.facebook.com/becka.rain.5 Becka Rain

          You don’t get it. No one was gonna save Bayonetta, did you see Sony or Microsoft try?

          More power to Nintendo if you ask me. And lol it would be hilarious if they got the first one on the eshop. 

    • TheRealMalek

       it feels like i’m reading comments on final fantasy 7 again…

      • Mrgrgr and Unacceptable World

        Well when FF 7 launched there, the use of internet is still small and game industry and all the gamer numbers is still quite small there. So i don’t think the outrage is this bad here.

        • Shane Guidaboni

          Did people expect FFVII to come out on N64?

          • Mrgrgr and Unacceptable World

            Well, considering FF series started on Nintendo consoles, Yes?

          • Phlo

            It was originally being developed for N64, but was moved to a PS1 exclusive.

        • TheRealMalek

          Tthere were books and you could read the same type of comments in “reader letter”. And in video games shops you could hear “Nintendo / Squaresoft” is doomed. So even if it wasn’t on the internet it still feels the same.

    • Aara_Malik_Davoodi

      Without Nintendo, there wouldn’t be a Bayonetta 2 at all. It never would’ve happened. The developers have said so themselves. 

    • ShawnOtakuSomething

      Buy it, download the first one  on nintendo E-shop there happy?

  • malek86

    Uh. Nintendo is collaborating on a lot of games lately. Didn’t think they were this big. I remember when they said they couldn’t make enough Wii and DS games at once and that was why the Wii lineup suffered.

    But I guess a collaboration requires less people from one side than making an entire game…

    So is this how Nintendo is going to play in the future? Instead of making big games (which sell) and small games (which they always completely neglected to market), they will do big games and then collaborate with other developers on big/medium/small games, a bit on the technical/gameplay side and a bit on the marketing. That could be a good idea.

    I just hope it won’t often end up like Fatal Frame again. They seem to have earned their lesson… I think. But for now, NOA still strikes me as much more limited in vision than NOJ.

    • TheRealMalek

       I guess they learned the lesson from 3ds launch. But third party were still  ignoring new nintendo platforms, so my guess is that they now consider again doing a lot of “second party”.

      • Mrgrgr and Unacceptable World

        Well more second party is a good way to start there.^_^ At least, we as gamer get the game there.^_^

    • Domii

      While Nintendo isn’t as diverse as Sony and MS, they are masters at printing money. That’s why as a business major myself, I admire how good they are at making so much bank. So yeah Nintendo is huge, and much more profitable than their competitors.

  • pressUPfororanges

    Putting aside the “shouldn’t be an exclusive” discussion, I don’t understand why everyone is so mad at Nintendo for producing the game. You can hate the life out of them, but they are great producers. Sure, they don’t do everything right, but up here you have three examples of great games that don’t feel censored, lackluster or Mario-fied.

    Look, this is going to happen anyway so you’ll have hundreds of chances to unleash your fury if it turns out to be a giant turd. I prefer thinking it won’t. Less stressful.

    • M’iau M’iaut

      And there are plenty more. For all those who hate what was done to ruin the atmosphere of the Resident Evil series, did they get a chance to try Fragile, Calling or Cursed Mountain? Those were all very mature rated games on that ‘families only’ console. The Wii found as many shmups stateside as the 360 and a very good exclusive fighter in Tatsunoko.

      While Nintendo’s direct involvement in these is admittedly less than a 1st or 2nd party title, one can not just make the blanket complaint that the company does not wish such titles to show on their systems.

  • http://epiclyamazing.wordpress.com/ AzureNova

    All the games they mentioned for the collaborations I like so its sounds like Bayonetta 2 will be good as well =^_^=

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/jodecideion?feature=mhum TheWon and Only

    Wow looking at some of these comments. I can only assume we can now speak freely on this site. In the past half of these comments would have been deleted. Unless this is one of those they are just bad mouthing Nintendo so no one really cares topics. 
    Japan is in need, and no one seems to care, but Nintendo. How many of Sony’s games have been made in Japan this generation. You want more games like Xenoblade, Bayonetta, and Fatal Frame? Nintendo is going to be your only hope from here on out. Last time I checked Microsoft only cares about Kinect, Windows, and FPS. Sony is too busy trying to play catch up with them. So like I said you want Japanese styled games like we use to get during the PS1/PS2 eras. Nintendo is going to be your only chance of getting them.

    • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

      It has more to do with the fact that the comments here in general aren’t upfront rude slander. Even if the validity/earnestness of a few of them can be dubious.

      • M’iau M’iaut

        Yes. It is actually nice to be able to show the types of extended and even opinionated comments we may watch but let go. If posters can leave the death threats and venom at the door, we want to know what they feel and think, and so does the community.

        We may disagree, but agreeing to disagree is just fine, thank you.

        • Fidelis

          I’m gonna have to call BS on that

          Especially with regards to the whole DMC situation..

          Or is it just that once you guys get too much of the same opinion, that’s when it turns into a bad thing?

          Because as I recall, it’s always the Pro DMC posters jabbing at the people who are against it, and despite that you guys seem to get pissed off at the “whiners” for “whining” which is in essence, giving their opinion on something.

          There’s never any death threats and at worst there’s a few jabs at Tameem’s haircut.

          • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

            Unfortunately, the “few jabs at Tameem’s haircut” quickly escalates into wild conspiracy theories about how there’s a Mary Sue thing going on with him and the new Dante, which then further escalates into made up rumours about him and name-calling. 

            If you look at the DmC posts, every single comment that expresses concerns about the game but manages to do so in a thoughtful manner is very much still in the comments. Negativity with thought put into it is conducive to discussion. Negativity based on made-up conspiracy theories or uninformed rumours is not.

          • puchinri

             I think the problem there is, that’s actual a logical extension (not just going by the early comparisons, but also commentary in videos and such too). I do think some of the people that aren’t for the game (even if not vehemently against) aren’t given any sort of leeway (by other users at least, no opinion on mod-handling) but in the Nintendo comments? Things get ugly. I think even if you sound intelligent about it, if you just crap all over something, you’re still being a jerk. (Note, crap all over versus voicing a reasonable opinion/worry/concern/disappointment.)

          • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

            @puchinri:disqus In the case of the DmC posts, I agree that there are folks that fan the flames a bit, but honestly, I would say that there are fewer of them as compared to people that just like to crap all over the game without providing any real insight as to why they feel that way. :(

            I mean, the most common arguments we see are:

            “ninja theory lol” – Despite the fact that the game is seeing positive previews, including from some very hardcore Devil May Cry fans.

            “tameem/dante blah blah” – Despite the fact that Capcom were the ones that approved the final design.

            “western developer blah blah” – This one is just intolerable.

            It’s kind of hard to feel any sympathy for people like that, you know? :/

  • ShawnOtakuSomething

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89kOCKG5yZs to all the haters move on “gah” Wow I would hate to see if FF7 remake was only on the wii-u. Fan boys heads would Explode out of rage and butt hurtness.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihvBx5OEprQ

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/5UFEVTPDTXD33NSMUFMX4TEAMQ Mike

      You’re only making it worse….but that second vid was Hilarious,LOL:)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=RkUBfD5SCqU&feature=endscreen

      I prefer this one if you’re making a statement though(It makes me sad to be a gamer)

      • ShawnOtakuSomething

        XD lol man that was alot of hurt butt

        • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

          Don’t make the situation worse, please.

          We really should make a rule about that…

          • ShawnOtakuSomething

            How am I making it worse? Just saying my opinion on the mater

          • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

            Yes, it’s your opinion, but posting material ridiculing/provoking other people is not helping the situation. (Not saying that what you did was especially worse, mind you; some others are saying similar things too, and those are no less pointless.)

      • https://twitter.com/A_Beast_of_Prey Equinox K

         Seeing comments like those in that video make me feel flabbergasted that there are many gamers who feel entitled and think what they’re saying is rational.

  • Torncurse

    Nintendo is willing to do it since sega is broke. The first one was really good but Im not going to buy a wii just for this game. Enjoy it nintendo users, im pretty sure its going to be good.

    • Arrei

      Instead of looking at it as “just for this game”, why not look at it as a reason to look into getting more games as well? Not every game is going to be that “must have” title, but a lot are still certainly worth the money.

  • eilegz

    so nintendo its co developing the game, this its going to be AWESOME…

    • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

      I wouldn’t say “co-developing,” but they are overseeing it at the very least.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001531081700 Vale LN SkreiHolme

    Woot Blue guns are awesome , her design and this game  is going to be epic I can feel it in my body… 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hector-Cortes/100000351183370 Hector Cortes

      My Body Is Ready~!

  • MrSirFeatherFang

    So, does that mean there’ll be coins instead of rings?
    I’m hoping for loads of Nintendo easter eggs/references.

  • Tarlol

    wow this comment thread is terrible lmfao. But yeah, I usually am not big on Nintendo, but Platinum is bringing me around. I think I’ll actually buy a Wii U now.

    • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

      (Not directing this at you or anybody in particular; just saying it while we’re at the topic.)

      When we keep things strict and actually mod stuff, we’re apparently jerks (because we “don’t respect others’ opinions and freedom”, regardless of how broken/unreasonable those might be). When we try to loosen things up a bit, things go out of control and people call the comment thread terrible (which isn’t an invalid point, since it makes the atmosphere less inviting).

      [Sigh] -_- What’s a mod to do…?

      • https://twitter.com/A_Beast_of_Prey Equinox K

         I think you and the other mods do a decent job, unfortunately you can’t help the stupidity, ignorance, unreasonable attitude, and sheer hypocrisy of some people.

        • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

          Doesn’t help that the time and attention each of us can spare for moderating is limited, so within our limitations, we have to look for high-priority offenses. That’s not to say I didn’t notice some “positive” users creating friction, which is something we didn’t like from the negative folk to begin with. I even had a talk with one such user off the site and told them to stop.

          Of course, I don’t intend to use my limitations as an excuse. I prioritized some things over others and paid less attention to what I considered “lesser” problems, and the threads suffered for it – that’s the negative consequence of my choice, and I admit that. So from here on, I plan to pay attention to handling those as well in whatever way I can.

          Still, I’d appreciate if people don’t take moderating as a black-and-white affair. In many cases, we also have to consider the involved users’ prior commenting history and attitude. I mean, when a user who had a history of being disrespectful and picking fights turns up saying he’s genuine with an argument, it makes a rather dubious situation due to the past incidents indicating otherwise. Or, when an old banned user returning with a new account (same IP), pretending to be a new innocent user, gets banned again for the same offense; even though we moderators know the actual situation, it may still look otherwise to outsiders. My point is: There are other aspects to the moderators’ work that one can’t see until they’re in the same position.

          • https://twitter.com/A_Beast_of_Prey Equinox K

             Oh trust me I understand where you’re coming from on the matter I’ve seen the bad aspects of how to be a moderator from an anime wallpaper community I used to be actively involved in and the good especially when I was a moderator for a very well known guild on another site. With the former I was always at odds at the moderators because after the site had gotten hacked they pretty much started abusing their power and duty for the users, even the ones they were in the right and would make valid points on things or would make minor infractures, then again I just didn’t give a damn for many of the mods attitudes towards people along with the favoritism and made it my mission to deal with them and contest their bullcrap anyway I could. With the latter, it was being stern but fair while trying not to show favoritism to anyone member and keeping my wits about it. I was prone to mess up like everyone else and would have to cast off for periods of time, but I always did my job.

            Thing is some people and sometimes the moderators forget that they are still people, expectations for them may be alittle higher, but even if they weren’t they still demand the same respect as the were if they weren’t in those positions.

      • Tarlol

        This isn’t just a problem with Siliconera, and I wasn’t attempting to imply anything about the moderation here. The gaming community just needs to grow up. Everyone is sure they understand how things work and brand loyalty is like super ridiculous in our community for some reason. You can’t moderate stupidity.

        • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

          No worries; I understood. Hence my note in advance that I’m not directing it at anybody; just letting out some things from my perspective while someone brought up the topic.

  • omeganeko

    I’m not planning on buying a WiiU so I’m sad. But I’m still glad to see bayonetta again. Hopefully someone i know buys this so i can play lol.

  • wahyudil

    I hope they will include the first game for Wii U too, I’ve never played the prequel

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DIZJRBFSHRAEUIPHL2AZQR73RU Dedan

    ???????? This is the case with all publishers.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DIZJRBFSHRAEUIPHL2AZQR73RU Dedan

    ???????? This is the case with all publishers.

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