Future Atelier Games May Have Dual Audio Voices Again Say Tecmo Koei

By Ishaan . January 18, 2013 . 10:30am

Atelier Ayesha, which is being published in the west by Tecmo Koei instead of NIS America, is the first Atelier game in a while that will not feature a dual-audio voice-track. Prior to this, the Atelier games featured both Japanese and English audio—a trend that Atelier Ayesha is bucking by only including an English voice-track for its western release.

 

The good news is, the trend may return with future Atelier games.

 

Siliconera got in touch with Tecmo Koei Europe to ask about the dual-audio issue, and learnt that the publisher is regretful that the issue exists.

 

“We are very sorry. We have confirmed the voice option information with [Atelier series developer] Gust and for this title, it will be English only,” Tecmo Koei Europe representative, Chin Soon Sun, shared with us.

 

They added: “We know how important this is for you and we will try to implement the voice option in the future Atelier releases.”

 

While discussing the matter further, Tecmo Koei Europe reiterated that they aren’t happy with the lack of dual-audio either, and that they understand and share the concerns of the Atelier community.

 


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  • Dyne

    well it somewhat good news but what went on then?

    well they could added it in later as a DLC download so i wait for that to get it then.

  • Blitz Krieg

    “MAY”

  • Dago

    They nay have my future purchases ithen.

    If you ask me this sounds as if they are asking us to buy this one in hopes that the next ones are dual audio.

    If that´s the case i´m sorry but i do not believe them.

    • Mrgrgr and Unacceptable World

      Well, when the next atelier series does not come, i hope you won’t blame the company then.

      • Dago

        I´ll be blaming the company because it will be their fault.
        Prior to them handling the franchise the games had dual audio,now that them havew it the game has english audio only.

        If they don´t give us consumer what we want they can´t expect sales and they will be the only ones to blame for that.

      • Arrei

        It’d still be the company’s fault. Holding future games hostage in order to get people to overlook something they dislike is never the customer’s fault.

        • OverlordZetta

          Where did they say they were holding the future games hostage?

          They said they couldn’t get it in this game and they’re going to try to get it into future ones. They apologized.

          Okay, it doesn’t have dual audio.

          Now the lot of you need to stop being so god damn spoiled and throwing a temper tantrum over this. A lot of games don’t even come out, and this one very likely could have not come out at all given the changes. If you’re so shallow that the voices make or break a game for you – i.e. that you only care about the games for their voices and nothing else, go listen to some music. You clearly should not be playing video games.

          • http://twitter.com/Klarktastic Klark / Bengalinha

            Why are you calling people spoiled over this? Its their hard earned money (possibly) they have every right to chose where they want to spend it. I for one chose not to spend my money on a gimped version of a game when they could very easily fix it

          • raymk

            Very easily fix it huh? And you know this how?

          • Arrei

            Geez, man. I’m not even one of the people who play with the JP track on, calm yourself.

            They didn’t say they were holding games hostage, and I didn’t say they were. But we’re talking about a hypothetical scenario here where the lack of dual audio causes lackluster sales and a stop to localization efforts and the only way to stop it is to buy this game even though it has no dual audio – that’s a hostage situation, is it not? And if the situation is brought about by the company’s decision to remove something the existing fans liked about the game, then that can be no one’s fault but the company’s, no?

          • Herok♞

            you can’t really call it a Hostage situation because it will seems like the consumers are uninterested in the series if it doesn’t sell, so to a company it would be a waste of money to localize further games and it would be an even larger investment to make if they paid to have dual audio.

          • Arrei

            Normally yes, but the key thing is, the hypothetical situation occurs because of the company’s own decisions to remove something, and they are aware of the backlash it causes – if after that they were to decide that the lost sales are because of low interest instead of because of their questionable decisions, that makes it a “hostage situation”. The burden is placed on the customer to make up for the company’s moves, lest they lose future games that actually have the feature they want.

  • Barrit

    Don’t know what to say. I’m going to assume the US version will probably be identical to this version. My hype for this game went down drastically. Bargain bin it is.

  • DarkWaterClone

    That is disappointing that it won’t have both as an option. I wonder why it won’t? Was it because the license to have both was to much money? I hope when they say in the future they would like to bring it back in future titles is true and not just corporate saying that because they don’t want to lose many sales on this game.

    • Barrit

      My guess is they didn’t know their market and didn’t expect as much backlash as they are getting.

      • GibbRS

        This is when a good company catering towards a niche market would take a step back and say “We should delay this game to meet our customer requests.” Saying “Well crap, sorry about that… but you can still buy the game in March” isn’t going to help them.

        • Barrit

          Agreed. The fact that it is a ‘niche’ market makes the research even that much easier to do. It isn’t like they’d have to figure out what millions and millions of gamers are expecting out of Ayesha. Hell, they could have just asked for NISA’s opinion to save themselves a lot of trouble. It just seems like a very lazy way to bring the game over. I’m sure some people don’t care because they like the English dub, but it isn’t even going to full English dub either. So the excuse of the JP voices being to expensive doesn’t really hold weight. If they had a budget and the JP voices happened to go over it, they could have just used the remaining budget to at least give it a full English dub.

          Sorry, kinda went off there about things you didn’t bring up yourself lol, but ugh, this release just screams extremly lazy with no regard to its fans. It’s just unacceptable.

          • GibbRS

            I hear ya. I have a feeling we won’t know the whole truth about the partial dub until the game is released and some diehard fan with both an import copy and the US copy does an in-depth comparison. Most companies don’t want to advertise that they only dubbed some of the game and threw the rest of the voices away.

      • xXDGFXx

        They didn’t… know their market… They would have to friggin idiots to not know them considering they BOUGHT Gust from NISA.

        • Barrit

          Well if that’s true.. they knew their market, but obviously didn’t give a damn about their fans. That makes them look even worse lol.

  • FitzpatrickPhillips

    Just keep rolling out the quality dubs and I can’t complain really.

  • HarryHodd

    Patch it in bitches!

    No offense, that was my honest to god reaction to this.

    • xXDGFXx

      So put patches… in female doggies? That’s an odd reaction…

      • HarryHodd

        Lol

  • r0gamer940

    Just bought the jap version for cheap. Will get this one as well just to support the localization effort

  • DesmaX

    Oh well, at least they learned their lesson…

    But I’m still pissed at the release date. Seriously, March? I can’t buy the game like that.

    Hope I find a copy for me some months after release

  • someelfgirl

    Considering the sales of the previous games, and the fact people are being nitpicky about all this…
    It’ll be a miracle if this sells well enough for them to consider localizing the next one.
    I’m pretty upset about it i admit but i’m not guna let that stop me from playing.

    heres to hoping for voice dlc.

    • RoxasTheUnknown1

      That’s what worries me as well. I’m getting this regardless but its blowing my mind that everywhere you turn its dual or bust. Not “hey the western version is missing dialogue crucial to the narrative because you know its an RPG or something to that nature.” If it were it that then I’d get it but this?

      • http://twitter.com/Klarktastic Klark / Bengalinha

        Well im sorry but It just ruins the experience for some people ( me included ) and as I said before time and time again a smart consumer votes with his wallet, if it turns out that it kills the franchise in the west, so be it. (this is coming from someone that loves the atelier series)

        • someelfgirl

          Unfortunately this is also a problem, the west is barren of Japanese games, and only getting increasingly more so.

          I’m not guna risk losing the ability to play them without expensive importing(not even including ones for region locked consoles) just because i get annoyed by a little dub work.

          It’s sad that we have to deal with it, but it’d be even more sad to see another series go.

          I don’t disagree with the wallet mentality, but there’s a lot more at stake than just a dual audio feature..

          • Mildra

            If the dub really gets that bad (though I’ve a skewed definition of bad due to growing up with early VHS dubbed anime), i’ll just hit the mute button on my TV or fix it in the options menu. Besides I’d rather have a bad dub than be unable to play the game due to a language barrier.

          • Nightmesh

            Finally someone with actual sense on how business works. This game does look like it’s going to be great. Can’t wait to play it.

  • Lord Highawesomeparty

    Congrats guys! It’s always nice to see game companies listen to their consumers.

    • Dago

      If this is listening to us i don´t want to see them when they ignore us.
      Seriously,listening to us would be something like delaying the game to add the japanese audio or promising to add it later via patch.

      But no all we get is some generic PR respone trying to convince us into buying the game….

      • Nightmesh

        So you’d rather them listen to the community like Square does? At least they said they would try. Much more then anything Square has done in the last couple of years and this is a much smaller company.

        • Dago

          How about being more like NISA?

          • Nightmesh

            How about supporting a game because you like the game play, story and art style?

          • Dago

            I´m sorry but bad voice acting ruins the experience for me.

          • Nightmesh

            Their annoying but not bad enough to warrant not buying the game for the game and not the voices. Its not Arc Rise Fantasia bad. I’ve never finish that game.

          • http://twitter.com/Klarktastic Klark / Bengalinha

            but its bad non the less, just because its not that bad to you doesn’t mean its the same for everyone

          • http://twitter.com/Cerzel Nope

            If you thought the dubs in the Arland games were good enough then you need to raise your standards.

          • Nightmesh

            Never said they were good enough. Just pointing out they weren’t bad enough to make me wanna stop playing. I still played it in english with the dual audio then replayed it in japanese to compare.
            This isn’t a matter of if it good or not with some people. It’s a matter of some people feeling like an elitist even if together as a whole could potentially destroy a whole series you’d think they cared about.

          • http://twitter.com/Klarktastic Klark / Bengalinha

            How about being a smart consumer? Like Dago is being right now and start voting with your wallet? I love the atelier series BUT I will never buy this game because I dont want to support this new trend

          • Nightmesh

            Smart? By not buying this your only gonna give yourself two options in the future.
            1. No more Atelier because of the low sales.
            2. They add it in the future.
            Are you gonna risk losing a whole series?

          • http://twitter.com/Klarktastic Klark / Bengalinha

            yes, Im gonna risk loosing the whole series. THEY (the publisher) are trying to sell ME (the consumer) something that I don’t want, why would I buy it? I’m sorry but as much as I love this series I will skip on this one, there’s way too many games for me to waste my money on this.

          • kardonius

            Those aren’t really the only two options. They have previously released DLC to add in Japanese audio to Dynasty Warriors for example. The worst case scenario is certainly that they don’t add in Japanese audio and on top of that refuse to license or release any future Gust games.

            The best case scenario though, they release the game with Japanese audio, even if through DLC and they don’t repeat the same mistake for future releases, OR they release DLC audio and license Gust games back to NISA who continues doing as it always has, and releases with dual audio.

      • Lord Highawesomeparty

        They never said they wouldn’t patch it in later. They could’ve ignored the fan outcry, but they didn’t. They know this is an issue and they’re trying to resolve it. So yes, this is listening to people. Patches cost money and if I remember, delaying games costs money as well.

        This isn’t even that big an issue. Yes, it sucks that the feature isn’t present, but it doesn’t destroy the entire game. I like playing Disgaea games with Japanese voice acting, but I wouldn’t care if they removed that feature. It’s not the only reason I buy the game.

    • OverlordZetta

      They could have ignored the issue entirely.
      They could have said flat out no.
      It’s pretty damn clear that they’re not the “bad guys” here.

      • Dago

        You are joking right?
        They are the bad guys here,they even lied to us when the initially told us on their oficial FB that the game would have dual audio

        The truth is they know that they have handled this very poorly which is why they are giving this PR response looking to do some damega control.
        As i have said before i do not believe them.

        • Zeik56

          You’re being a little melodramatic. It’s not like they sold you the game with the presumption that it would have dual-audio and apologized after the fact.

          There are no “bad guys” here, it’s just an unfortunate situation.

        • OverlordZetta

          And you are within your rights not to. You have every right not to buy a game that will be great solely based on the fact that it doesn’t have voices you want to hear. You have every right not to buy an RPG that, unlike many great ones, is actually getting a complete translation and is coming overseas. You have every right to “protest” it and, in doing so, guarantee the sequels even less of a chance of coming out here.

          While you think I’m joking, I think you’re just flat out insane.

          • shadowind

            I agree with you concerning Dago in that he does seem to be insane indeed saying that TK are the bad guys just because it doesn’t have dual audio! At the end of the day, a game is a game and I’ve never understood why people like him say what they do. I thought cap com had it bad with DmC, obviously I was mistaken!

  • TheSwordUser

    “(…)we will try(….)” isn’t enough. The word “try” has to disappear from that sentence. Dual audio is an absolute must in this series.

    • Spirit Macardi

      While I don’t see any reason to not include the Japanese track, I also don’t see how it’s a necessity. I’ve played every game since Atelier Iris with the English track on and didn’t feel like I lost out on anything.

      It’s understandable to expect the original audio if you want to go for a “pure” experience or something along those lines, but it’s still the same game no matter which language you’re listening to.

      • Crazy_O

        No it’s not. I once watched Avengers dubbed in my native language before watching the original. It feels like a different movie, the dubbed version pales in comparison. That’s the reason why I started watching american movies with subtitles, if it were the same why would I need to? Also, watching it with subtitles improved my english considerably until I didn’t need subtitles anymore.

        • SirRichard

          Last I checked, the English track does not completely change the gameplay into something else entirely, mate, which is the point Macardi was getting at. And they’re right; it’s still the same game regardless of the track you use.

          • raymk

            I agree with SirRichard, I just wish more people would see that. This is why I kinda curse the day voice acting was invented for RPGS. All it did was add to people not buying the game for it not being in were they would have played it otherwise.

          • Barrit

            But it can ruin the experience.

            I can only speak for Rorona at this point, but that JP dub perfectly fit the characters. They had tons of personality and charm.

            I tried the English dub and so many parts were not voiced. Hell “barrel” wasn’t even voiced. I was appalled! It just seemed lifeless and the voice acting didn’t match up with their personalities. All the females sound bratty to me.

            I guess to those gamers who enjoy the English dub it isn’t a big deal since they never have gotten a full English dub to begin with, but I’m actually pissed for those English dub loving fans. No JP VAs and they still aren’t getting a full English dub? lol wut? Pure laziness.

          • Spirit Macardi

            Yup, that’s the exact point I was getting at.

            Not having a Japanese audio track is a questionable move, and I don’t disagree with that since I think people should be able to listen to the game how they want. At the same time though, I think it’s worth celebrating that we’re even getting this game at all.

          • Ladius

            Yeah, people seem to forget that Atelier isn’t Final Fantasy, nor Persona or Tales: it’s actually one of the lowest selling home console jrpg series in the west, and it’s fantastic we have managed to get every home entry so far. We can only hope the Ayesha boycott won’t kill it.

          • Syao

            I think some people are blowing this out of proportion that the game may get canned, yes its a niche game but I can’t see the loss of sales making it unprofitable. Dent the profit margin yes, but make it a loss, I don’t see it happening. The fact they have cut voices means it was cheaper to produce too, they should have expected some hit in sales because of that just how much we can’t be sure.

            I see people doing three main things buying it regardless, waiting a while for a slight price cut then buying it or not buying it at all. I’m in favour of the second option myself, I know day one sales are important but I can’t justify paying the same price as I have done in the past for a feature I deemed important cut and I certainly shouldn’t have to play the game muted in this day and age as I actually find American dubs detrimental to my gameplay not gonna go as far as some saying it hurts my ears but well almost.

            One way the other side are probably looking at it is, if I buy this, will they cut more stuff out again thinking they could get away with it and its a tough choice, I think the EU teams reply is genuine but sadly the final decision won’t be theirs.I don’t blame people for still wanting to support it but visa-versa others shouldn’t be condemning the other side. I don’t think many doing it out of spite rather equally worried about the game.

            In the end if my choice along with others doing the same result in future games being cancelled so be it, I’ll be sad but I’ll move on. There are plenty of other niche games which do need support and I’ll support the companies that do it well.

          • Ladius

            Sorry, but if you saw the NPD sales leaks about the series you would understand why people thinks this boycott could kill the series in the west.

            Atelier Totori barely sold 15k copies, and Meruru’s last numbers were a little short of 6k copies (it probably ended up selling like Totori, though, since the numbers were about a far shorter timeframe and didn’t include the LE).

            Pretty much every jrpg series on home console seem to be selling more than this, and if even only a third of the fanbase ends up boycotting Ayesha its lifetime sales could end up being sub-10k, not to mention Neptunia Victory will be released the same month.

            Telling TK we want dual audio is perfectly fine, but boycotting an otherwise great game will only result in missing out every other Atelier game in the west.

          • Syao

            I’m not boycotting I will just no longer buy it day one. I like the series but I just won’t support bad corporate decisions which to me seem like an attempt to grab more money which in this case may backfire. I feel really quite cheated by TK, firstly I speak Japanese and could play the original if I wanted, I like to support the western market instead of importing I held off getting the special edition (even the one recently on sale on Play-Asia which I may regret because I still have some slither of hope they will add Japanese dub as DLC) and now probably won’t even get a CE here. This may seem rather mean but I’m not rich enough to get both, if I have a choice between a butchered game localization or Importing the original from now on I will have to support the original.

            As I said I believe the EU team are genuine in their concern but I generally no longer trust bigger companies on their promises or comments after EA butchered a few series I loved and that the only way to speak is with money and I bet quite a few had similar concerns when they learned TK instead of NISA were publishing it and fears are coming true.

          • Ladius

            To be honest, TK in the west is far from being a “big corporation”, and comparing it to EA makes no sense.

            Sure, they are bigger than niche companies like NISA or XSeed, but they barely have a corporate presence in the US and most of their releases outside of Europe are digital only because they can’t invest in dubs for their Musou games.

            They have DoA and Ninja Gaiden, but the former is all but a yearly franchise, and the latter has been declining in the last years.

          • Syao

            I know its not as big but still the distrust is there, perhaps I’m overreacting, maybe I’m not but its still too early to tell. I don’t think blindly buying it just because its a niche title is a good thing to do. The real concern for me is that they think they can get away with cutting corners, this time it may be dual-audio next time it could be something else. I’m also aware that the very thing we are doing could be detrimental and may hurt the fans too. It could be a pretty big gamble, there is honestly no right way to go about this.

          • someguy

            Let’s explain this in a way anybody would understand. You take Pirates of the caribbean and you put Arnold Schwarzenegger instead of Johnny Depp. You take The Truman Show and you change Jim Carrey’s voice by a random mexican guy. The story is the same. The script is the same. Everything else is the same. But everything is different. Now you do this with all the characters. That’s the kind of thing someone who cares about good voice actors in these games feels when he gets something like this.

            Obviously, someone who can’t/don’t want to see the difference between something well done and something done by crappy dubbers in 5min just cause it’s in it’s own native language will not care about this.

            But sorry this isn’t Mario or CoD. In these games you spend a lot of time seeing the characters interact, and a good voice acting is as important as a good gameplay.

            Moreover, saying bullshit like “Oh we are very sorry, we know is important, we’ll try next time!” only makes things worse. If the series could afford it before, now they can too, it’s just they don’t give a sh*t about it.

          • SirRichard

            “and a good voice acting is as important as a good gameplay.”

            But it isn’t, though. It doesn’t matter if you have a world-class theatre crew giving stirring performances, if the game doesn’t play at all well then it’s still a bad game, just one with great voice-acting. And if no-one wants to play because the gameplay’s bad, what good is that voice talent? RPGs aren’t exempt from that, the story shouldn’t come at a cost to the gameplay.

            I get that people want to experience the story with the original voice-acting, fair enough, but to say that it’s a completely different game because of the voice-acting is ridiculous. Games aren’t movies, there is more to them than the performances of the voices in them.

            I get that the experience is different, I get that that’s what people want the Japanese voice-acting for, but not having it doesn’t suddenly make Ayesha a bad game. The way some people get on it’s like they’re only playing it for the voices, and when you’re (speaking generally here, not you in particular) willing to kill a series’ chances at localisation over a voice track being missing for (currently) one entry, I have to wonder why you ever cared in the first place.

            Maybe that’s just me, I don’t know. I’m not trying to justify the JP voice track being left out, or the partial dub or whatever, but I can’t help but feel people are overreacting.

          • someguy

            I’ll use an example. The first Neptunia. The gameplay is like…
            the worst RPG I’ve played in years. And it’s ugly. And the OST is meh, and, and, and… But I ended it. Why? Cause the scenes were worth it. Why? Cause the characters were voiced by great seiyuus that did a good job. In RPGs, unlike most games, gameplay is far from being the only important thing. That doesn’t mean it’s not important.

            Besides, the thing is we are not choosing between having gameplay or having the rest. The thing is we had both, and they’ve removed half of it because reasons. The thing is we had something we enjoyed replaced with something that we don’t like/annoy us. And it’s not only the story, scenes, etc… It also becomes annoying when you have to listen annoying screams every time you attack/synth/whatever.

            Another thing I don’t like is the “at least you have it, be grateful”. Yes, we have it, but what? They just wanted to do it themselves instead of letting NISA do it like always, in which case we would have it anyway, and we probably wouldn’t be complaining right now.

            I guess people who complain to the point of no wanting the game just can’t spend money like that. For example, let’s say I wouldn’t really care to pay more for this game day 1 cause I like how the game looks, the gameplay, and I like the jap voices. So… I know I’ll enjoy it a lot and it would be worth it. Now we take out jap voices, I know I’ll enjoy it less, so maybe I’ll wait and pay around 40 instead of buying it day 1. Now I don’t have jap voices and I have an english dub that will annoy me. The enjoyment keeps going down just like the money I want to spend on this. I can understand people who would buy it day 1 before and don’t want it now.

          • NeoAthanasius

            Using the word Japanese or abbreviating it as JP is probably better than using the word “Jap” as shorthand. It’s pretty offensive.

          • someguy

            Sorry but english isn’t my native language so… I don’t even know why it may be offensive. ^^u

          • NeoAthanasius

            No problem! That is completely understandable. The offensive nature of the abbreviation comes into play because of World War 2. I hope I didn’t come across as rude. That certainly wasn’t my intention. :-)

          • someguy

            I’ll take that in mind next time then. And nope, don’t worry, I’m sure I would do the same if I knew it in the first place. :)

          • Locklear93

            NeoAthanasius explained it below, but I just want to back him up–he’s right. The term “Jap” was used as a derogatory term during World War 2, and some are still offended by it. Despite the fact that it’s a logical abbreviation, using “Jap” is about the same as referring to a German person as a “Kraut.” Some will care, some won’t, but in the end, the polite way to do it is to use JP or type the full word. :)

          • Ladius

            We’re on the same boat, I like having dual audio in my games but I was absolutely taken aback by the amount of people who put that feature before the game itself, not to mention the future of the Atelier franchise in the western markets.

          • Elvick

            It surprises me how many put their entire decision of purchase on Japanese audio. Never mind the game, the english text (lots of us can’t speak/read Japanese), and supporting JRPGs and more importantly Atelier.

            It sucks, and it really REALLY disappoints me that it’s gone, but not supporting this game doesn’t seem right.

            Especially with how often I will voice my opinion about how unhappy I am that they didn’t include Japanese audio.

            Not supporting the localization, which actually took work to do, because they didn’t include something that was already in existence seems stupid to me.

            They put in the localization effort, which is more effort than including an option. And they can’t support that?

            Again, I’m disappointed and unhappy the option is MIA, but sheesh…

            I just want Atelier to have a fighting chance. Yes Tecmo Koei should have given it the “full” treatment, but really, no one does it like NIS America does.

          • http://www.facebook.com/kosakai.zeroo Kosakai Zeroo

            Ermm Have you forgotten what RPG stand for? just so you know it stand for Role Playing Game that right Role playing and i Don’t like English Dubs for Game like this cause it sound like crap just listening to it made me sh*t myself doesn’t fell like it a Role playing game without the Japanese track if your a True RPG fan if your a True JRPG Fan then that make it worst without the Japanese Track RPG you mostly play for the story and you want to feel like your in the game to my Knowledge this is is also partly dub my the disgusting English dub which make it worst cause in game like this English sub are so dam lifeless. if you really only play for the game play there a lot better games out there with better game play JRPG you play for the story that why it Call ROLE PLAYING GAME and what TK did was out rightly disgusting i like NIS-A better when they did the Publishing for this But now TK jump in and ruined everything. if this game is going to died in the west then so be it. just save money to get it import i know it cost more money but you can not put a price on enjoyment if you did then why the hell are you even playing games?

            P.S WTF is this no Limited Edition as well i have no respect for TK what so ever.

        • Hraesvelgr

          Don’t compared live action to video games and animation. They’re entirely different beasts.

    • raymk

      Its not a must but it’d be nice to have. The word try means there must be something they have to work out first.

    • Gabriella Creighton

      Translation is actually “we’re going to get a different recording studio”. The only real explanation for the drop is rights disagreements. Whoever did their Japanese audio is probably asking for more money then Gust can afford to pay when it comes to the US Release. It’s happened before for games.

  • http://twitter.com/Klarktastic Klark / Bengalinha

    pitty, Im not buying this without the dual audio, I am VERY disappointed by this.

  • Nightmesh

    If they would just do a decent job with the dubs they wouldn’t really have to worry about this issue.

    • http://twitter.com/Cerzel Nope

      Now if only the article had mentioned how the dub’s only going to be a partial one…

  • Andrew Arndt

    im happz no matter what the jap oice will be miss for this one but ill engluz it like i did with the jp verison

    • xXDGFXx

      your eybord seems to be brokn

  • Di_Elle

    Then I MAY buy future Atelier games. Won’t touch this one until they patch in Japanese audio. Honestly, I wouldn’t even mind paying extra for it at this point. Just put it in.

  • http://lukalovesgames.blogspot.de/ Alkaid

    oh god damn that means I have to pass on this one… that’s horrible.. I know this sounds really bitchy but I can’t bear the voices. Never could in neither Neptune, Star Ocean, Ar Tonelico nor Atelier.

    I know the Atelier dubs weren’t that bad but… I was always really happy with dual audio. I will be back on-board again when they start to include the jp dub again. It already makes me miss NISA.

    Thank you for the news even if they really aren’t what I had hoped for… *bows*

    • Brandonmkii

      I’m not sure, but it might be possible to just mute the voices. Would that help?

      • http://lukalovesgames.blogspot.de/ Alkaid

        Sure we could all do that, it would be a possibility. But… buying a release that’s lacking something that the previous publisher included (successfully) for years…

        It makes it seem like Tecmo Koei wants to trick us or rather that they at least do not want to go the distance for their customers.

        This one thing was something I got really used to and I really liked hearing the japanese voices. It was some kind of motivation for trying to understand the japanese language better.

        Now they state that they *may* include it in the next games but this tiny word there makes it completely uncertain if they really intend to.
        And that is what makes me really wary wether to trust them or not. As much as I love the Atelier Series …blind faith nearly never got us anywhere.

        Oh and thank you for your answer. *bows*

        • Brandonmkii

          I know how you feel. Personally, I’d want dual audio, but I’d rather play the game as it is when it gets here, than not at all. Can’t win em all I suppose.

          • http://lukalovesgames.blogspot.de/ Alkaid

            Yeah I know that feeling. And I absolutely understand your reasoning here.

            Am worried about the series as well… but as a player I am sick and tired of compromising all the time. Especially when it comes to companies publishing things on “their terms” rather than those of the paying customers. :/

            They could’ve asked NISAmerica to continue the publishing of the series or at least they could’ve informed themselves how NISA did their stuff (ingame options, translation and marketing). It’s not like those two companies hate each other. NISA had faith in Tecmo Koei as well according to their twitter account.

            As far as Tecmo Koei goes we only heared this from them, no profound advertising, only screens and a huge confusion over the different branches of the company (including the social media division).
            for example:
            TECMO KOEI EUROPE (on Jan 15th)
            ‏@tecmokoeieurope
            Atelier Ayesha will have both English and Japanese voices and the text will be in English only.
            A statement which is now revised according to the news here.

            And the US account on twitter didn’t even mention anything of Ayesha yet. So it’s really difficult to let something like “a suddenly missing dual audio option that made Atelier more special than other games” slide. It seems like TK only publishes Atelier half-heartedly aka out of obligation because they own Gust now. .__.”

  • Tooru

    Many people here are upset (understandably) at the removal of dual-audio from Ayesha. To those people, I ask you; don’t give up quite yet! If we keep on asking Tecmo-Koei Europe (who, unlike their American equivalent, seem to respond to their fans) we might be able to get the Japanese vocal track as DLC. Send them messages through Twitter, Facebook (either their page or the Atelier page) or e-mail. Let your voice be heard, and we may still have a chance.

    • $24431191

      Here’s the Atelier Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/ateliergames. Everybody go over there and bother them.

      • http://www.facebook.com/leonjudasu90 Leon Magnus

        i don’t mind the removal of the Japanese Audio sure its fun to have it ,i usually would change to listen to Jp audio also since its done better than the english but seriously guys ,at least its gettin localized and you’ll be playing it in English unlike Many Tales of which we wouldnt even get in english text .___. *but yah hope they will keep the jp audio in future Nisa always keeps DUal Audio. maybe its tecmo’s fault

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Altin-Bujupaj/1157167838 Altin Bujupaj

          I feel the same way. I am more than grateful, that we get a localized version to begin with. As for the lack of Dual-Audio – there is no one to blame, but TK’s department in Japan.
          Does it hurt ? For some people it does – for me, not really. I’d feel more concerned if we were not to get this game over here to begin with.

        • artemisthemp

          Go listen to HDN Victory english dub and then listen to JP audio and you understand, why it’s important to have Dual Audio

          • Steven Reece

            Maybe but I rather understand what I listening to.

          • artemisthemp

            Then you just use English Audio, but some games have horrible English – Chaos War, so it’s nice to have the option to change the Audio to JP.

          • Steven Reece

            I have no quarrels with dual-audio, I even platnium Atelier Totori Plus, and meruru plus when it comes out. It just that Arland series itself had decent voice acting. Tell me that sterk’s or Rorona voice didn’t match with the character itself.

        • Duo Maxwell

          Nope. No JP audio means no purchase from me. I’m going to buy the JP version to support the maker and go reading the translation on the internet instead. Don’t expect me to pay for them when they are fail to meet my expectation.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1793706639 James Dawson

            Shit like this is why so few JRPGs come to the West. Get over it, it’s just Japanese audio.

    • Mrgrgr and Unacceptable World

      Sure.^^ I am going to support here. It is always better to support the game and making happy both the fans and company rather than just boycotting the game which won’t make any sides good after all, Atelier series is niche enough.

    • Barrit

      We should all unite under the banner of “Give me Taruuuu! or give me death!”

    • Crazy_O

      We could ask them to delay the release until everything is as it should be. I really don’t need the game to release in March, there too many games to play anyway. Just take your time, even six months or more and give us the complete game, like always.

    • Talearc

      I agree ^^

  • katzedan

    if they are really sorry, they could release a free patch on the psn store to add the japanese audio track to the game like Ubisoft made with the Brazilian Portuguese language pack for Assassin’s Creed 3! :(

    • Nightmesh

      Was that free or did you have to pay for it?

      • katzedan

        it’s free… and I think you could find this on xbox live too. :3

        • Nightmesh

          That’s pretty neat of Ubisoft. If they did for this game they wouldn’t make it free. It just might be in the 40-50$ price range considering how many people would pay for it.

  • http://gematsu.com/author/ro-kurorai 浪黒雷 (Roland Gmyrek)

    Why the fuck did they advertise dual audio on FB then?

    • Dago

      Good questiion.

    • http://twitter.com/Cerzel Nope

      Thought they could get away with it, I imagine. Good thing NISA called them out.

      • http://gematsu.com/author/ro-kurorai 浪黒雷 (Roland Gmyrek)

        So next we’ll see dual audio scratched from future DOA games as well -_-
        I call that false advertisement, or deception. Nintendo were forced to take a UK TV ad down as it “suggested any game can be played on the tablet”. Yet TK get away with spreading false information to fish for more pre-orders unscathed.

        • Alexander Marquis Starkey

          You do realize that most facebook pages are run by fans and maybe fans with connections to someone within the publishing companies right?

      • raymk

        Um no it was just miscommunication that sort of thing happens.

    • http://twitter.com/ChestnutBowl Chestnut Bowl

      Probably just miscommunication. It happens.

      • http://gematsu.com/author/ro-kurorai 浪黒雷 (Roland Gmyrek)

        haha, this made my day, thanks XD

  • http://twitter.com/OyaTama Hanyuu Furude

    I’m really trying very hard to not simply buy the japanese version of the game, I really can’t understand Tekmo Koei europe in this case. I mean, even when Iris was published by them in europe, it had dual audio, the series always had dual audio until now.

    And… I could at least get over this by thinking that now the right are more difficult to get (even if I have a hard time believe it from TK, I don’t think that they have less money than NISA, or they don’t want to put that much in the atelier serie). But now they’re saying that they’ll get the dual audio for future atelier game ? Why ? That doesn’t make any sense, why THIS particular game ?

    But well, I’ll get the game nevertheless it won’t have dual audio, I think that TK is sincere about wanting to put dual audio in the western release, but that there’s a good reason for not being able to.

    The worst that could happen is that people won’t buy the game because of this, and will result in TK just giving up on the franchise because it sold so badly… But I wouldn’t them to think that buying the game means that i’m okay with not having dual audio, I really have a hard time bearing western dubs in general, It really spoil my fun.

    • r0gamer940

      just get both just bought the limited edition off play-asia for 70 bucks although the the shipping was 15 bucks. Intend to buy the English one too

      • http://twitter.com/OyaTama Hanyuu Furude

        I though about doing that (and getting the limited japanese edition), but it may be a little too expensive considering that there’s a lot of things I want to buy in march..

        • r0gamer940

          true I just saved up all my Christmas money and it may be all gone by the end of April

  • OverlordZetta

    Honestly, this is just odd, and I really can’t blame Tecmo Koei on this one – virtually ALL of their titles have dual audio, so it’s just strange in itself for something of theirs not to have it, regardless of what it is.
    I really do have to wonder if Gust were the ones who pushed for this, or if there’s something else we don’t know going on, but the rush to blame TK seems, well, like a rush to me.

    • Temuthril

      But TK owns Gust as far as I know.

    • Brandonmkii

      I’d normally say cost is the issue, but TK seems to be at least as big (if not bigger) than a company than NISA, so I really don’t know why they had to cut it.

      • LynxAmali

        Yeah. You can tell they’re large.

        They really don’t communicate WITHIN their own company well at all.

    • kardonius

      The problem is that the only variable that changed was Tecmo-Koei. Before they bought Gust in Dec. 2011, every single Gust game in the US had Japanese audio as an option, in Atelier Annie, released for DS in fact, Japanese was the ONLY audio option. It makes no sense for Gust, who when independent and working with NISA had always had Japanese audio in US releases, to all of a sudden decide, nope, no more Japanese audio. The only factor that changed between Meruru’s release and Ayesha is Tecmo Koei buying Gust, so a choice by Tecmo Koei is the most reasonable thing to believe changed this policy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Obb/100001994017630 Jimmy Dean

    I always just get the Japanese version anyway but the new Tecmo can really go screw themselves. There’s nothing I like about this company. They ruined Ninja Gaiden, they sold Fatal Frame to NINTENDO, they’re raping people with DOA DLC… What a shame.

    • landlock

      Fatal Frame is owned by Tecmo Koei. Nintendo seemly publishes the titles the sameway there publishing Ninja Gaiden 3 in Europe.

      • LegoBaka

        Nintendo co-owns the property rights to the Fatal Frame series, and completely owns the rights to the Spirit Camera spin-off series. While Tecmo is the developer it is a shared IP between them.

        • landlock

          link please?

    • Gallen

      Not to mention they put zero effort into the Musou series outside of japan.

      • Luna Kazemaru

        if you are talking about Dynasty warriors those games sell by name alone they don’t need much effort in that.

        • http://twitter.com/Zufield Zufield

          I think dude might be talking about how Tecmo Koei is handling the recent Warriors titles–i.e., the DW7 expansions being PS3 ONRY; and Warriors Orochi 3, Pirate Warriors, and DW7 Empires being exclusively PSN releases in North America. I think Orochi 3 only had a Japanese audio track, but I’m not too sure; I got too burned out on Chinese military officer beat-em-ups to see for myself.

  • GibbRS

    How disappointing. This game looked better than the last 3 Atelier games, and it’s the one they treated the worst. If they patch in Japanese audio down the road, I’ll pick it up.

  • GibbRS

    For the curious, play-asia has the premium edition of Atelier Ayesha for $70, $60 off regular price. I’m tempted, but the shipping cost is pretty high. I understand Japanese enough to get by, but Atelier games have a LOT of dialog.

  • Brandonmkii

    I’ll still play it. I’d rather not risk not getting the next game in the series. If the voices are THAT bad, hopefully there will be an option to mute them.

  • Luna Kazemaru

    I find it funny how anyone who says the dub is Ok or good is getting downvotes. You know I could say something about that but I’m sure my comment would get censored to hell and back.http://i.imgur.com/V1jLQ.gif

    • Lord Highawesomeparty

      People downvoted my comment because I was pleased with the fact that TK acknowledged this is an issue.

      I’m honestly starting to believe that people buy these games for the sole purpose of hearing the Japanese voices. People are boycotting a GAME because of VOICES. That’s honestly what this is boiling down to.

    • Zeik56

      I got yelled at the other day by someone who blamed me for games not getting dual-audio simply because I was willing to buy a game that didn’t include dual-audio.

      This whole issue has escalated to pretty insane proportions these days.

      • Luna Kazemaru

        I’m just going to say that’s the internet for you :/ tho I can explain why there are so many things wrong with that logic.

  • undergroundz

    “We are sorry, deal with it” is not a good excuse. How about delaying the game or even a DLC voice patch? If they were really sorry, they can fix it. Oh well who cares, they know there isn’t a “next Atelier” coming here anyway, after this no more games will come, so it’s all fine. Ayesha only will be released because NISA had already announced before Gust aquisition.

    Tecmo Koei doesn’t care, gotta keep selling those super expensive DOA5 DLCs forever.

    • GibbRS

      Well, we still have ports. Atelier Totori Plus may come stateside, and with its “Best Game for Girls” award, it could look good for TK to release it stateside. That being said, I already finished Totori and don’t particularly want to start over (the game was brutal in it’s time constraints).

    • LegoBaka

      I’ve a strong suspicion that the future direction of GUST’s Atelier games will be cellphone and ipad apps. They’ve hinted at it somewhat strongly, so I’m not surprised at the lackluster release of Ayesha this go around.

    • raymk

      Is the only reason you signed up here just to let people know that you aren’t buying this particular game? Your post history only have post for this and I’m really starting to wonder if its just the same 30 or so people voicing the same thing everywhere.

      • http://twitter.com/Cerzel Nope

        Why do you consider that a problem? How else are people supposed to show that they don’t approve of this?

        • raymk

          Twitter, Facebook? You know places that they actually look at?

          • http://twitter.com/Cerzel Nope

            I’ve been doing that there as well. Given the number of people complaining there, I assume I’m not the only one.

          • undergroundz

            Done. This don’t means I shouldn’t post my voice here too. Siliconera is far from a unkown website nowadays and the staff here has been in contact with NISA and Tecmo Koei Europe.

            Like “Hey there tons of users on the website telling you guys should do X stuff”. I bet they wouldn’t ignore and would at least check here too.

      • undergroundz

        Yes, I signed up to voice my complaint against Tecmo Koei decision. I also sent a message to their Twitter.
        If I was just trolling, I am pretty sure the mod would have spot me with the same IP address as some other user and would have given me the ban hammer.

        • raymk

          Wait I never said you were trolling I know you aren’t that even if I kinda implied it. I’m really wondering why more people aren’t just using the twitter to complain, its the main way to make the actually listen. I wish more people would tell them on twitter they aren’t buying than here were only other members will ever see.

    • Ladius

      I would tone down the assumptions, we really don’t know anything about how this game was localized, NISA and TK’s deals, what is their sales target or why they skipped dual audio for this release. It’s fine to discuss those things, but trying to pass them as facts isn’t the right thing to do.

      I kinda agree on this being the last localized Atelier game, though, considering how the fanbase is ready to boycott a game that was niche to begin with because of the dual audio issue. It’s really a shame.

  • Charmchar

    See this is what i don’t understand… what’s so wrong about putting dual audio in jrpg’s? It’s not like they lose anything from it or even that difficult to do since the games originally have Japanese dubs.

    I really believe that Japanese voices are the only ones who can pull off their own scripts in games, plus having anime with English voices always seems off to me.

    Now after this little pathetic rant, i really hope they bring back dual audio back into the series, its the best part of the games for me :D

    I tried playing Atelier Meruru in English after beating the game in Japanese dubs and oh god never again! o(╥﹏╥)o

    • Luna Kazemaru

      Because they have to license the voice acting aka pay for it,

    • Guest

      To answer your question short and simple: it actually costs them more money to use the voice actors again.

      • GibbRS

        I’d be curious to know what an average cost of licensing Japanese dialog in a US game release costs. I assume it’s cheaper than an English dub, or we would never see games like Atelier Annie or Yakuza 4 with only Japanese dialog. Google has failed me.

        I’m curious if a company like Tecmo / Koei would ever consider something like kickstarter to judge fan interest and raise money towards licensing Japanese dialog.

        • Charmchar

          Well for some reason i never really thought that they had to pay for it but now i know, thanks :D.

          Tho I still rather prefer them to just bring the games over here with English subs, that’s just my preference. (∩_∩)

    • Nightmesh

      The Japanese voice actors don’t have a license with the English publishers. They have to get them and that cost money. I’d rather them spend that money on a GOOD english dub cast.

      • Barrit

        But that’s also the issue. It isn’t even a full English dub lol. It’s like they screw over the fans who want dual audio and give scraps to the fans that don’t mind the English dub, like ‘here you go buddy, enjoy your partial dub!’

        I don’t like the English dub in the series at all, but at least that would redeem them a little and show that they are putting some sort of *effort* into the release, but that doesn’t appear to be the case.

        • Nightmesh

          I KNOW! >_<

      • undergroundz

        Which is not the case with Ayesha, as it has partial dub done by NISA, so expect the same quality that has been forever for the series.

        Basically, not good at all. Maybe decent at some times.

  • Gallen

    No no Kuni in 4 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Luna Kazemaru

      ok?

    • undergroundz

      The more impressive part is that even Namco Bandai US has joined the dual audio trend with Ni no Kuni. Even Nintendo is doing with Fire Emblem. I wouldn’t expect this from them. And.. we now have a GUST game without dual audio.
      Maybe the end of the world is coming after all.

      • Luna Kazemaru

        If you are honestly calling end of the world because GUST doesn’t have duel audio in one of their games thats fucking sad I’m sorry it really is.

        • undergroundz

          What is a joke?
          You also should know that every Gust game has dual audio since PS2.

          • Luna Kazemaru

            Yeah and this one does ok Big deal I can live.

          • undergroundz

            I can’t. Going to kill myself now.
            Different opinions, etcera.

          • Luna Kazemaru

            *wrong end get*

          • xXDGFXx

            And even when they didn’t have dual audio, they still had the original dub. ex. Atelier Annie

      • raymk

        So let me ask you this, even if a game sucks ass you people will still buy it because it has dual audio opposed to a game that’s very good yet doesn’t? No I’m not saying Ni no Kuni is bad i’m getting it as well although it looks boring at times during battle.

    • Rpgamefan

      meh… Sorry, but Ni no Kuni looks like garbage compared to this game.

      • Gallen

        ROFL

  • Pyrofrost

    Entitlement complexes in mass, and people willing to risk losing an entire series over it. I honestly hope the boycott is successful in making this the last Atelier to come to NA.
    I hope the JRPG landscape continues get thinner and thinner in NA; until the only thing we have left coming here is Final Fantasy. Then maybe people will look back and see how pointless the rage about all this is.

    • Nightmesh

      *hand a bouquet of flowers*

      • Pyrofrost

        有り難うございました。

    • Zeik56

      I’m not that much of a martyr that I’m willing to sacrifice something I love to teach other people a lesson.

      Although it certainly gives a perspective on why more companies don’t do it. One “NIS” game doesn’t have dual-audio and people flip their shit. Making it an expectation apparently has not benefited them.

    • https://twitter.com/RaiohV Raioh

      This is so ridiculously stupid. I have to spend money on something I won’t enjoy fully(experience the game 100% the way I want it to) just so you and others can get more games? If you want the series to succeed, why you don’t buy 10 copies yourself, to make up for the ones who won’t buy it? This argument is really not working, please people stop using it.

      • Nightmesh

        “fully enjoy” I don’t get it. Your going to enjoy the game but since you can’t fully enjoy your not going to buy it? Thank god the SMT community isn’t like this.

        • http://twitter.com/Cerzel Nope

          At least SMT games have passable dubs.

        • https://twitter.com/RaiohV Raioh

          What? I have to have the same preferences as you now? Crap I’m sorry then!…I like to play games the way I like to play them, if I can’t play them that way, I won’t fully enjoy it, simple as that, what’s so hard to understand? You people are so blinded on top of your horses it’s become really silly at this point.

          • Nightmesh

            I never said you had too. Your the one that said you’d enjoy this game but not to the fullest so you wont buy it. Wouldn’t enjoying a japanese game to the fullest require you to learn the language and play the original game the way it was release?

          • Pyrofrost

            So you are only willing to play localized JRPGs with dual-audio? You know that makes your pickings a bit thin right?

            Also, do you understand Japanese at all? Do you know how much is unable to be translated correctly? How many cheap, cliche Western lines are thrown in to cover a jest in translation? A jest that almost all Westerners would never get. Are you able to notice and enjoy the differences in the Kanto and Kansai dialects? Old and new Japanese dialect? Masculine and feminine Japanese dialect?

          • undergroundz

            Maybe he enjoys the voices. You don’t really have to understand to know it’s a beautiful voice. Maybe he likes anime and is used listening to Japanese VAs and has become fond of them.

            Well that’s the case with me anyway.

          • Nightmesh

            Yes but his argument is that he can’t “fully” enjoy it without it the audio being in japanese. If that’s the cast then why not go a head and learn the language the play it in said language so your full enjoyment could sky rocket in to ecstasy. *steps off soap box*

          • undergroundz

            Because learning Japanese is not easy. It’s quite hard of a language. You need to put 3+ years of effort even if you study 5 hours per week. Even after all this, you may not be able to read everything, you will need a dictionary at your side sometimes.

            Is this reason good enough?

          • Nightmesh

            Yep, but with the way some people act, including a few here, as if the Japanese language is God’s own spoken langauge you’d think all that stuff would be trivial and they’d learn the language as fast a possible.
            It’s not easy but love never is and if you love this language why not learn it?

          • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

            I’d like to say one thing here: Denying people a particular dub just because they don’t understand it fully seems like a rather… unrelated reason (if not also unfair). I’ll admit here that I don’t play imports because I fully understand Japanese. (Although I do understand some of the voiced lines if they’re said in “regular grammar”, and coming from an Asian language with similarities to Japanese helps too.) But for the very least, hearing what sort of intonations go through each delivered line does add to the experience. If some people really want the original dub to be part of their experience, well, that’s their choice. Just let them decide on their own purchase; it’s pretty much the strongest personal signal of approval/disapproval they have. Not like arguing what they “should” or “shouldn’t” do is getting anywhere.

          • Pyrofrost

            Well, I prefer JP voices as well. However, don’t we buy JRPGs for the storytelling, characterization and gameplay?

            I just find it laughable that people will skip a game in a series they supposedly love, over not having JP voices. Even more laughable if the individual happens to not know the language. In that case. All they are getting out of it is a sound. All the subtleties that can be enjoyed by someone who understands it are gone.

            There are much better reasons than this to start a boycott. Like constantly releasing games with game breaking glitches for example; or maybe if they pulled some of the shit Capcom pulled with the MML3 fiasco.

            But for not having dual-audio, that’s absurd.

          • undergroundz

            Differently from other games like Final Fantasy and Persona, the Atelier series focus a lot on interaction between characters, the game has a lot of idle conversation, not just your standard cutscene but a lot of dialogue with nothing else happening. I would say that about 30-40% of a normal Meruru playthough is dialogue text.

            Now if the dub quality was good, maybe it wouldn’t be bad. But that isn’t the case here. That means you are forced to listen to an awful dub for hours and sometimes, not listen to it at all because you will find some voices missing because it’s a partial dub.

            I am sorry but in a game like this, dual audio matters a lot. So that’s why some people are not getting the game anymore.

          • Pyrofrost

            It’s just a shame that in many cases, this kind of boycott only sends the wrong message.

            Take Yakuza 3 by Sega for example. People were uber fucking pissed because all of the cut content. However, the fans didn’t respond with some entitlement complex loaded boycott; they were far more mature about it. They stood by the series they loved, WHILE ALSO letting Sega hear their grievances.
            Following that, Sega release Yakuza 4 with everything except “Answer x Answer” (which Westerners wouldn’t be able to do anyway), and we also got Of the End.

            In the case with Atelier, people are acting like a bunch of children….and all I have to say is, good luck to all boycotters.

          • undergroundz

            I bought Yakuza 3 in a sale (for U$20) due to that. So I will just do the same to Ayesha.

            Tecmo Koei can expect the same sales number. Just not the same profit. They should be fine with this, they have put less money this time by not putting dual audio, so they should be fine too with less profit.

          • raymk

            um persona does have things like that and remember its a half dub anyway so you won’t hear all the scenes voiced anyway. Also you haven’t heard the dub yet so how can you say its bad, you only have the other games to go off of.

          • undergroundz

            NISA is handling the dub. Everyone that buys NISA games knows they reuse the same bad VAs over and over (not counting the exception that is Disgaea series where they put more effort and it’s full dub).

            So dual-audio was always a must on NISA localized games.

      • someelfgirl

        I don’t see whats “stupid” about it, i fully understand why you guys don’t want it, but some people are just happy they can finally play the games, dual audio or not.

        The Japanese voices do add to the experience, but i personally don’t mind the lack of in order to play the game and understand it.

        This is almost as bad as the tales fanbase-who more or less did nothing but complain about getting graces f.

        • Nightmesh

          We were lucky to get that. Even if Asbel english va had the emotional range of microsoft sam the game play made up for it. When the game play over shadows the voice acting why not pick the game up?

        • https://twitter.com/RaiohV Raioh

          I don’t mind you people enjoying it, I very much welcome it and wish you the best of fun. What I absolutely loathe are the “because you won’t buy it, we won’t see another game in the future, it’s your fault burn in hell” comments. I’m not obliged to support anything :/

      • Brandonmkii

        Everybody’s got their opinion. I’m okay with you not wanting to buy it. It doesn’t mean you want to see the series do poorly over here. Unless you really do, then that’s just mean.

        • https://twitter.com/RaiohV Raioh

          No I don’t want it to fail here, I like my JRPG’s as much as the next guy, but I won’t accept being blamed for a failure, because I spend my money on something else.

    • Barrit

      I wouldn’t call it ‘entitlement’, it’s more of a stupid move to make in an established series. They are removing something that was always there.

      That’s like me telling people to go out and buy Ninja Gaiden 3 just so we are sure that they will release more Ninja Gaiden games and they *may* be better next time lol. If you aren’t happy with the quality of something, you simply do not buy it, wait till it is extremely cheap to try it, or buy it cheaply used.

      • raymk

        The example isn’t the same at all, the first NG3 was a crap game so it doesn’t matter what they added. NG3 on Wiiu was a very good game and they proved they can do something right. Ayesha is a good game but people are letting no dual audio get in the way of that.

        • Barrit

          Not the same exact example, but my point is if you are unhappy or skeptical about a product, you don’t buy it or wait til it’s dirt cheap. You don’t rush out to buy it Day 1 in hopes they make it better or include something that was in just about every single game in the series.

          Rorona was a very good game to me. I liked it much more than I expected. I prefer the JP VAs and I thought the characters were full of personality and they really grew on you. I gave the English VAs a chance (as I do with every NISA release), but the results are always the same. So many scenes not voiced, and the English VAs just didn’t match up with the characters’ personalities. That is also my bone I have to pick with Ar Tonelico Qoga, even with the JP VAs, there are a lot of scenes not voiced, and even less in English. It just really interrupts the experience in my opinion.

          Plus, I refuse to play any Atelier game if I can’t hear “TAH-ROOO!” as many times as I want. Sorry but NO lol.

  • malek86

    What kind of a say could Tecmo Koei Europe have on whether the japanese main company would allow dual voices in the future?

    • Nightmesh

      The backlash from the NAers that don’t get dual audio would be to great for them to risk that.

  • Nicolas Vasquez

    there is really no excuse if a smaller publisher like nisa was able to do it, and dub is a huge issue for me, though there are other offenders like namco and atlus, specially since i couldnt play hack gu and persona 4 until i rigged my ps2 and played un-dubbed versions.

    • Luna Kazemaru

      wait wait wait are we really going to start calling out the p4 dub?

      • undergroundz

        There is nothing wrong with the P4 Dub. This don’t means there is something wrong in wanting to play the game with the original audio either.

        • DesmaX

          Sure, if he wants to play with original voices, he could.

          But… Not playing P4 because it only has English dubs is a bit too much

          • Nightmesh

            That’s just down right childish.

          • Lord Highawesomeparty

            “Not playing P4 because it only has English dubs is a bit too much”

            Take P4
            Replace it with Atelier
            That is all.

          • DesmaX

            C’mon, Atlus does a way better job at the English Voices than NISA.

            I can understand people not wanting to play an Atelier game because the english dubs is “bad”.

            But there’s no problem in P4 English Dubs

          • undergroundz

            The Atelier dub quality is not even near P4 dub. And it’s also a partial dub. It’s not the same thing.

          • Lord Highawesomeparty

            @DesmaX:disqus @undergroundz:disqus

            So it’s okay when people pass up an Atelier game because it only has English voice acting, but when it’s Persona it’s “a bit too much”? Okay.

            Whether a dub is good or not depends on the person.

          • undergroundz

            “Whether a dub is good or not depends on the person.”
            That’s why you should give people an option right?

          • Lord Highawesomeparty

            I never said they shouldn’t. I’ve even said multiple times before that removing that option was rather stupid. That doesn’t change the fact that boycotting a *game* over *voices* is also rather stupid.

          • http://twitter.com/Cerzel Nope

            If this were a game like, say, Godhand, where the story is just a barebones excuse for you to beat things up, I’d agree with you. But the fact is that this is an RPG, and the story and characters are a major part of what makes the game, and those characters have voices which are part of what makes them the characters we like. Treating the voices as insignificant is oversimplifying things.

          • Lord Highawesomeparty

            I’m not saying the voices are insignificant, I actually believe quite the opposite. In fact, when I was playing the Fire Emblem demo yesterday, my biggest complaint was the lack of full voice acting. I’m still going to buy FE though, why? Because I (kind of) liked the gameplay, and I’m interested in the characters, and story.
            My point is, just because a character has an “annoying” or “English” voice doesn’t automatically make the rest of the game bad. You still have gameplay, you still have the characters, you still have the story, you still have the music. The only difference here is that you only have voice acting in one language and not two.
            If people want to boycott a game because it doesn’t have Japanese voice acting, fine. I can’t tell them what they can or can’t do with their money. I just want them to see that they are letting one tiny thing destroy an otherwise entertaining experience (or so I assume having not played the game).

          • DesmaX

            Well, Atlus hire good dubbers for their games, while NISA… doesn’t really do that to some games (I have no problem with their Disgaea dubs, but some titles like Mugen Souls… yeah).

            And, while I did say that I understand that some people doesn’t want to play their games with only english voices, boycotting the game just for that is another story

      • Brandonmkii

        I totally will, if you want me to <3

        • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

          Please don’t. -_- The last thing Ayesha threads need is another layer of “Sub VS Dub” scuffles…

          • Brandonmkii

            You know I kid :3

          • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

            I know. But I felt it still could be said just to be there in case somebody else gets the bright idea to actually start one.

  • Anoia

    I really hope they can release it in a patch. Would hate for this to cost them enough sales that they consider the series not worth bringing over.

  • Demeanor

    Patch it in if you’re so sorry. Charge me 20 euros for it, I’ll pay. >:( I’m still gonna get the game because I love the series very much, and I’m not willing to pass this up for “just” this. Also, why in the world not a LE??? A lot of games are going with limited (Senran, Ninja Storm 3, Ni no Kuni, Neptunia, to name a few; my Totori poster is on the wall right in front of me) and they’re sold out everywhere, and especially niche games such as this have a lot of fans hungry for dem exclusive goods, so it’s basically free money :P y u treat us so bad???

  • $24431191

    What would be the problem with paid DLC for the Japanese audio? With a game like this, people would probably buy it. I think it should come included but at this point they could at least give us DLC or something.

  • ivanchu77

    Words are cheap.

    Just put the japanese voices as DLC at least, they did it with dynasty warriors before so why not with this game?

    • MrTyrant

      They did that? sorry Im not very familiar with Dynasty Warrior saga

      • Luna Kazemaru

        dlc after the game release for the voices

        • Nightmesh

          Free?

          • MrTyrant

            I would pay it, so it won’t matter for me at least.

          • LynxAmali

            Yep. It was due to the outcry about being English only, I think.

          • Brandonmkii

            It’s cool and all that they did it, but wasn’t DW usually an English only thing in NA? I didn’t think any of the prior games had them. Maybe 6 did, but I could be wrong.

          • Luna Kazemaru

            I don’t think it was a outcry for it but they did add it. there has never been anything bad persay about DW games dubs aside from one two actors.

          • undergroundz

            Yes.

  • MrTyrant

    Can we hope for a Vita-re-realese in the future with the dual implemented? I would buy it actually. Both.

    Also my problem is the partial dub. I cannot stand that, if you want the english voice, fine but if the characters don’t talk in the events that were supposed to talk then it’s a different matter.

    • Luna Kazemaru

      Lol this is something I agree with if you going to dub only it should honestly be a full dub.

      • Nightmesh

        2nd biggest annoyance with this series.

      • MrTyrant

        You know, I remember when I was playing Valkyrie Profile DS. I tought the english dub was really nice but then I saw a japanese walkthrough and surprise, the character were talking in all the events of the game when the english were only in the battles. I was so angry haha.

        With Growlanser IV is different, Atlus realesed the game too late and the psp was already dying so I can understand they would cut off things like that. I was happy that at least they consider the fans.

    • TiredOfMyOldUsername

      I agree completely,
      Normally since we also have the complete japanese dub it don’t really bother me to have only a partial english dub, but if they don’t include the japanese dub i would at least expect to have a complete english dub.

  • DesmaX

    Hm… Can Siliconera ask them about releasing the Japanese Voices as DLC?

    People here seems to want that

    • MrTyrant

      Also they could earn more money that way hehe.

      • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

        Uh… I think removing the JP tracks just to sell it back would summon a different type of complaints.

        • MrTyrant

          Yeah I know, people would complain a lot but I think they would buy it and then complain after.

        • undergroundz

          They can do for free like they did for DW. But yeah, it would be nice if you could ask them, please.

      • DesmaX

        oh ho ho.
        That would be nasty

  • nickmanx5

    i dunno man as i said before the kind of venomous attitude people have here is why the tales series gets held hostage difference with this group is with this small of a fanbase the bite will be lethal.

    • raymk

      To be honest you don’t have to worry about them, I have yet to see one time when a vocal minority has cost an NISA game to sell bad and there’s been boycotts for differen’t things in the past.

      • kardonius

        Considering we don’t have access to hard sales data for NISA there’s no way to confirm that. However from what we do have, I would say that there was a game released just last year that did sell more poorly than expected due to a vocal minority. Mugen Souls, we’re probably all familiar with what the controversy there was, and there was a vocal minority who boycotted the game. Since we don’t have sales data we can only compare with other games however. Compare the Mugen Souls Limited Edition costing $64.99 in their store. Their stock indicator says their stock is at just under 50% as of Jan. 18th 2013
        http://store.nisamerica.com/Exclusives/Mugen-Souls-Limited-Edition

        The game was released October 2012, and preorders started a couple months before that, and it has yet to sell out.

        Contrast this with Hyperdimension Neptunia V, which went up for preorder just last month, and has already completely sold out of the Limited Edition, also at $64.99
        http://store.nisamerica.com/Exclusives/NeptuniaV-PS3-Limited-Edition

        Both of these games are from the same developer, and target the same audience, and Mugen Souls had plenty of hype and anticipation prior to the press release announcing cuts. By all rights they should have sold about equally as well, and at the very least they should have sold out of limited editions 3 months after release, yet they haven’t.
        Reviews of compile heart and idea factory games are basically never good either, so it’s not as if poor reviews would be a plausible explanation for low sales either. The only real difference between the two has been a controversy, and a backlash due to it in one case, and no controversy and backlash in the other.

  • http://twitter.com/ChestnutBowl Chestnut Bowl

    Fans have made their concerns known and KT has addressed them as best as they could. I appreciate that and plan on getting Ayesha. Hopefully, it will sell well enough for KT to bring over the Vita games, too.

  • http://www.segalization.com/ Kuronoa

    As much as it is understandable complaint, if the localization is good otherwise fans should play the game anyways.
    Maybe they will have the voices as DLC, but I rather not risk it waiting too long and not getting localized at all like the series prior to Iris trilogy..

  • Xerain

    Well I’ll wait for the future installments. If they’re true to their word I’ll pick up this game at that time.

  • puchinri

    That’s sad to hear, and they do sound pretty regretful over it too. Even though I was already leaning toward it, I’ll probably order from EU. While I hope future entries do feature dual audio again, I’m wondering what future entries will be like now.

    • undergroundz

      Just saying the EU version is not dual-audio either.

      • puchinri

        Oh, I know. But if I’m going to “choose between two evils,” I’m going to go with the one that I feel might be closer to what I prefer.

        I was too excited over this game and too eager to enjoy another Atelier title (especially since part of it reminds me of Salburg a lot) to skip on it at all, so I’m picking the one I feel may take the least liberties with translation.

        Also with this, the fact that EU also seemed to want the dual audio and don’t really have a choice in the matter, so I’m not going to pat TK NA on the back and hand my money over to them.

        • SirRichard

          Uh, you do know the Euro version is exactly the same as the US version, right? Same voice track, same text and all?

          • puchinri

            What? NISA is translating both versions? 0n0
            That’s kind of weird. Did they always handle translations for both NA and EU? Or is that new?

            Hmm. Well, still the third point I edited in before your post, so I’ll go with EU nonetheless.

          • SirRichard

            That’s often how it’s been; the European version’s English translation is just the American one licenced by the Euro publisher. In fact, NISA don’t have a European branch any more, they publish their stuff themselves and have someone else distribute it. Funnily enough, that distributor is Tecmo Koei Europe a lot of the time.

          • puchinri

            Ahhh. That’s also a shame. Well, again, since TK EU seems pretty disappointed as well and are at least trying to talk to the fans (about the game at all), I’ll support them if anyone. Then again, I may just go ahead and get the JP version. Don’t know yet now.

          • SirRichard

            Well, PlayAsia are selling the Japanese limited edition at about half price, depending on conversion rates and shipping you can pick it up for a song (it was about £50 counting shipping and all, god I love the GBP-USD conversion rate). The link’s been posted about this article.

          • puchinri

            Ah, they are. It’s a very nice price. Hopefully I’ll be able to pick it up soon.

          • kardonius

            It’s definitely a nice price, and the shipping was amazingly fast. I just ordered it on the 15th and it arrived today with the cheapest shipping option (which still cost about $20 extra but still)

          • puchinri

            Oh, wow. That is pretty fantastic. Haha, I guess I’ll try to scrounge up the money a bit sooner than I thought. >u<

          • Elvick

            Also depends on if you have to pay duty on it. Importing is such a pain in the ass.

  • http://twitter.com/Cerzel Nope

    Let me just make up a neat summary of all the problems with this since a lot of people aren’t understanding.
    -Every Atelier game released in the west until now had a Japanese audio track as an option or the only option. It’s something fans have come to expect from the series.
    -Maybe you were okay with the dubs, and that’s fine, but saying “I thought the dub was okay” doesn’t change the fact that a lot of people can’t stand the dubs for the previous games and don’t want to listen to another one.
    -This game isn’t even getting a proper dub, it’s only getting a cheap, partial dub.
    -KT lied to us about the game having dual-audio.

    In summary, we’ve had a feature we’ve come to expect taken away from us, and when one would expect, say, them taking the money they would have spent on licensing the Japanese audio to be used on making a quality English dub, we’re not getting that either. Corners are being cut all around, presumably for the sake of stuffing pockets, and the game is still coming to us at the same price as previous titles in the series.

    No matter how you cut it this is a loss for the consumers, whether you care about dual-audio or not.

    • Immortal1

      Where’s the proof that the dub will only be “partial” and what is the definition of a “partial dub” to begin with? Was the Japanese version partially dubbed as well?

      • http://twitter.com/Cerzel Nope

        http://nisamerica.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=8633&start=1785#p552884

        Partial dub means that it’s not dubbing everything that was dubbed in the original (and as such there’s no such thing as a partial dub for the original dub).

        Usually it ends up meaning that only the most important scenes are dubbed and the rest is left out.

        • Immortal1

          Cool, I did not know that it was confirmed to be a “partial dub.” I know not all games have full-blown dialogue recorded so I wondered if the original Japanese version made that choice. Since it didn’t, it’s obvious they are being cheap by paying for just a little bit of voice acting. Thanks for the informative reply

    • Ladius

      The bigger loss for those who care about the series would be not having anymore localized Atelier games because people boycotted Ayesha, though.

      I’m not saying I like this situation (I love my Japanese dubs as much as anyone here), but dual audio was never a standard outside of NISA, and this release isn’t worse than lots of other jrpg localizations that were never criticized simply because they were from other publishers, or in series that never had this option to begin with, not to mention Atelier is one of the nichest, lower selling jrpg franchises on home consoles and it wasn’t a given TK would greenlight its localization to begin with.

      We have to make TK understand how important dual audio is for this fanbase, but if we boycott the game there won’t be another localized Atelier game that can restore the dual audio tradition.

  • kroufonz

    well then sorry TK it’s hard to believe promise from game dev in this day and ages, I just wait for this future you talking about to be proven true (and buy that future atelier title).

    gonna skip western release of this one, and wait for asian best edition instead.

  • Zarx

    As I said before I really don’t mind this all too much, I just want more Gust games and will happily support it in hopes of future games being localize at all. Though a patch like they did with Dynasty Warriors would be pretty nice as well.

  • Pichi

    Hope this out cry would also make them consider bring back English VA for Dynasty Warriors again. Dual audio is the best way to go.

  • Wondering_Zero

    I feel like this statement is an easy scapegoat for them to use. On one hand, we buy the game and another Atelier game is released overseas, but oh wait. It has no dual-audio because Ayesha didn’t sell enough to cover the costs of the Japanese audio. The other scenario is we don’t buy it, no other Atelier games are released overseas. Which at this point in time involve a port of two previous Atelier games, and I think an Otome game. The former are on a system that wouldn’t sell too many, and the latter I don’t think would sell unless it’s PSN only.

    If I buy it, I’m basically telling Tecmo-Koei “I’m okay with what you did”, which I’m not. “Blah, blah, you’re in it for the gameplay not the voices. Blah, blah, just mute the voices and play the game.” Sure, but for a game like Atelier the voices add to the experience. “Then play with english.” Incomplete dub, voices range from terrible to good, and you’ll hear the same four voice actors that you hear everywhere else.

    tl;dr it’s a case of damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.

    • puchinri

      I really think this sums it up well.

      Some people are getting really snappy here, but I think everyone needs to be more sympathetic to all sides. No one is winning really (except that we get the game). There’s no JP audio/dub, and the English dub is only partial (and the game just isn’t being treated well be Tecmo Koei). It’s not a great situation either way.

      I think even if we support the title, we should tell TK that we’re doing it because we enjoy the series, but do not approve of their handling of it here. That’s something for everyone to consider, whether or not they buy the game. Contact TK and let them know. (I’d say especially TK NA, because they just aren’t saying anything it seems.)

  • psycho_bandaid

    Hm. I don’t really care about dual audio, but this is exactly why you raise a stink when there is something you want from a game company. I am almost always in favor of fans telling game companies what is and is not acceptable to them.

    Folks that didn’t want english only dubs might have waited for a price drop or totally abstained due to disappointment, Since nothing was said TK wouldn’t know what to fix (or would just decide that interest in the series is totally dead), , and literally no one would benefit. Now at least TK realizes that no dual audio is a problem for some people, which is a start.

  • esteban cartagena

    For this purpose I will skip in Atelier Ayesha until they really learn from this mistake or/and fix it by releasing it as DLC. Results of poor sales until they fix it will get the message to them faster.

    • raymk

      It won’t sell bad though and they already have the message.

  • http://twitter.com/Cerzel Nope

    Houk just posted again. Very much sounds like it’s entirely up to KT to give the go-ahead for dual-audio if anything is going to get done.

    http://nisamerica.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=554143#p554143

    • undergroundz

      As it wasn’t a direct “no”, I bet the game does support a dual audio option. It’s all up to how much Tecmo Koei is “sorry” now.

  • Vitonofrio del Rosso

    future atelier?
    well future atelier will have my money at launch, this won’t…
    we’re even rite tecmo-koei?

  • epy

    That’s nice but I wish they would offer it as DLC. It would win them a lot of goodwill.

  • GibbRS

    Saw a Ayesha comic on Famitsu just now… couldn’t resist editing it.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/kaishou Kaishou

      hardcore

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Altin-Bujupaj/1157167838 Altin Bujupaj

      8000 hours in paint

  • Laith Rem

    What Atelier future releases? The way things are going, Atelier Ayesha will kill the series because it doesn’t have dual audio.

    A pity, because of all the reasons for a franchise to die, that’s a pretty silly one.

    • Elvick

      You do realize, that many Japanese series continue on in Japan when they tank elsewhere right? Tales, Shining…

      Never mind the two Vita ports we already know about, and they’re surely working on another game to follow Ayesha.

      • Laith Rem

        Yes, I do realize that. However I don’t know much Japanese and importing is too expensive so I am of course referring to the Atelier series in this part of the globe.

  • xXDGFXx

    I’m not letting this one slide, ever! They bought Gust, pushed out a game people like, and then decide to localize it in a way that they SHOULD know would upset many.

    I’m NOT saying I won’t buy it, but I’m also NOT saying I will.

    • raymk

      Many being like maybe 200 of you at the most, they aren’t really losing any sales here. Not to mention it seems like more of the Euro fanbase is the one with the complaints and so it’ll honestly be hurting them not the U.S so they can do whatever.

  • [ Mauricio ]

    I have the 3 LE’s of the Arland saga and I’m not buying Ayesha till we have dual audio.

    I’m voting with my wallet, if this means no more Atelier… so be it

    • Kai M

      On your band wagon.

  • http://vindictushots.tumblr.com/ Okuni-chan

    I’m just happy we’re getting the game. I was worried for a bit that we wouldn’t and it’s great to look forward to it ^.^

  • http://www.segalization.com/ Kuronoa
  • http://epiclyamazing.wordpress.com/ AzureNova

    Wow, I’m surprised. Didn’t think it was going to be that big of a deal. Still looking forward to the game though.

  • blembot4000

    While I don’t really care if it has dual audio or not what really urks me is this partial dub thing I’m hearing. That’s really stupid and I wouldn’t want to buy the game at full price

    • raymk

      All of their games aside from I think neptunia has partial dub.

  • Hraesvelgr

    Good heavens, the amount of hate and vitriol in the comments over something like voice acting. I mean, I get that you might like Japanese voices and all, but were you really at all interested in the game if you aren’t buying it over something like that?

    Also, since they’re saying they’re not happy with it either, does that mean the decision has more to do with the Japanese side of the business? Or is it just feigned empathy?

  • Immortal1

    Having read more into this, TK ought to please both sides. The news about a “partial dub” sounds EXTREMELY cheap

  • Visa Vang

    I guess I’ll let this voice-over thing go just once since the Atelier theme is kinda fantasy old-europe-isk thing. I also prefer British voice actors over American voice actors. American English is just too plain… well the female voices anyway.

    • SirRichard

      More publishers need hit up From Software for the contact details of the Souls games’ casts, a lot of RPGs would benefit.

  • landlock

    What’s all this fuss about a partial dub anyway?

    I haven’t played Totori or Memeru yet but Atelier Rorona only as a partial dub aswell. There were quite abit here and there that wasn’t dubbed as well.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/kaishou Kaishou

      I didn’t even know Rorona had partial dub…so I guess it seems like I won’t care in Ayesha case.

    • Elvick

      Well, the issue with that is that they all had Japanese audio included.

      This doesn’t, and they still only dubbed part of it.

      If they were going to remove a Japanese option, the least they could do is provide a fully voiced English dub.

      I understand that argument. Doesn’t bother me.

  • phangtom

    Now time to get them to give us collector’s/limited editions and we’re all set! :3

  • Jason A

    Looks like I’ll just be getting the new Neptunia game in march, No dual audio, no buy.

  • shadowind

    To all the whiners complaining about the game only having a partial dub/no Japanese dub, please kindly calm down as you’re not doing the Atelier fandom any favours with your arrogant demanding attitude!

    As someone who’s known Chin Soon Sun for nearly 5 years both in person and online, I can guarantee you that he would never lie about anything like that especially as he’s the person who most people associate with Tecmo Koei in Europe, that’s how well known he is amongst the hardcore gamers here.

    I can understand where some of you guys are coming from, but at the same time, if you don’t buy the game because it doesn’t have what you want when it comes to voices, basically you’re saying that you’re going to end up dooming the series chances of getting future releases in English.

    To the fans who are whining because there’s no Japanese voices, if its that important to you, then just buy the Japanese release and use a guide from GameFAQS instead.

    As for those complaining about the fact that there’s only a partial dub, just be grateful that you’re getting one at all as a true fan would be grateful that the game is getting a release in English at all!

    Yes, I’m defending Chin as a friend because there’s no way I’m going to let him be insulted by a bunch of spoilt demanding brats who think they’re entitled to whatever they want when it comes to games like the Atelier series and I know I’ll be definitely buying a copy when I can afford to so I can show my support for the series.

    One more thing. I actually asked him on Facebook a few days ago about whether there were any plans for English releases of the Vita ports of the Arland trilogy and he said there should be a announcement concerning that sometime in the near future. So just remember that you heard it here first before he lets everybody else knows!:-)

    • Maumac77

      I’m glad it’s coming over, but I can somewhat agree with the partial dub complaints. Not that I’m going to rage over it, but I have gotten used to substantial voicework thanks to Tales of Graces

    • kardonius

      While sometimes I’m sympathetic to calls that one should be grateful we’re getting a game at all, particularly with visual novels, this is not one of those games where it applies. There was never any doubt about the games chances of being licensed, it was basically guaranteed to be released in the west by NISA UNTIL Tecmo-Koei got involved. TK’s involvement is the only reason there was any real question on it being released, I don’t see them jeopardizing the chances of release and then deciding to do a half-assed release with no marketing and removal of a staple feature of every western Gust release is something to be grateful for. Especially considering the fact that if Tecmo-Koei hadn’t bought Gust there would be no real question regarding its release or audio options in the first place.

    • Syao

      How does insulting the fans by calling them arrogant, spoiled brats and various other things ( not you in this case but just in general from the comments I’ve seen on facebook and what not, although been a fair amount of bashing all over) help any more? along with basically telling people to buy or not see any more games, or how we should be grateful for getting a game at all?

      While there may always be a vocal minority who voice their disapproval in the wrong way such as insulting, outright being crude they are just that a minority, rather I’ve seen more comments at least happy the Europe team reply compared the the US team. The EU team may well be disappointed and that is all fine but the whole decision reeks of being made by some big fat cat who decided to cut the Japanese dub in return for bigger margins thinking they could rely on fan base to still buy it because of the very attitude I’m seeing here. (that if you don’t buy may not see any chance of more).

      Its up to the company to make us want a game, not on the consumer to blindly buy it or whatever just because it’s a niche one. Half wondering if I’m seeing people argue for who the bigger fans are, those that buy it regardless or those that aren’t. Alas welcome to fandom I guess.

      In the end the decision still isn’t in the hands of the European team its in the hands of some fat cat who probably care very little what the fans think and more about the money in which case some people are thinking to vote with their money which isn’t wrong but in this case may be kind of risky (who knows quite honestly how bad the margins will be). One type of fan isn’t superior to the other and in a way its a damned if you do buy and a damned if you don’t. It may send the message that despite the complaints people are still willing to pay for the game and if you don’t well you may not see the series any more, as a consumer I don’t like being put in the place and I certainly won’t be paying the same amount of money that I have been for previous releases with reduced content and it doesn’t matter if it is just a vocal track or not.

      The funny thing is I can understand Japanese, I put off buying them in Japan to support the western market and to see more niche games come, and I’m not rich enough to get copies of both games.

    • CirnoLakes

      “arrogant demanding attitude!”
      I think it is arrogant for you to call people who complain about this arrogant and demanding and demanding for you to call on people to stop.

      There’s a really vocal group of people here who act like gamers cannot have any complaints at all about games or else they’re “entitled”.

      I can understand that some complaints are unjust and unreasonable. But this “meme” around here to tell people to not complain at all doesn’t help anyone. We, as gamers, deserve a voice. We do not have to blindly accept every single decision a gaming company makes with no complaints and only shelving out cash.

      • shadowind

        I don’t think I’m arrogant to say what I did about certain people whining because they can’t get what they want!

        There’s quite a few games from Japan I’d love to see in English and even though they’ll never come out in English, I’m not going to bitch and whine and moan about it because I know I can always play them even if they’re in Japanese.

        In any case, where did I say that gamers aren’t allowed to complain at all? Are you trying to put words that I didn’t say into my mouth?

        If anybody wants to complain and wants to see the series continue, then they should either send a polite email to NISA or TecmoKoei Europe or post a polite complaint on their respective Facebook pages/Twitter accounts.

        Don’t you or anyone else realise that a lot of Japanese publishers read posts here on sites like this one including the likes of Gust, NISA and the various branches of TecmoKoei and if they see that the majority of posts in this thread are from people acting the way they are, especially the ones who say they won’t buy Ayesha because it doesn’t have a full English dub/Japanese dub, at the end of the day, we won’t have any Atelier games in English at all, in fact, we probably won’t have any niche games at all from the likes of NISA that aren’t anything to do with Disgaea.

        Just remember that the best message we can send to niche publishers in the West as well as Japanese publishers that we care about their games is to buy them in the first place.

        At the end of the day, I don’t want to live in a world where the only games available in the West are crappy shovelware, sports games (especially FIFA) and in particular crappy FPS games, especially COD (which seems to get worse and worse with every bloody release!) because certain people refused to support niche publishers in the West for the stupidest of reasons.

  • Maumac77

    I usually prefer dubs over the original JP voice tracks more often than usual. I like the dubs in Graces, Vesperia, Mana Khemia, and Hypermension Neptunia more so than the original voice work. For me there’s just something about them that makes me not want to hear it for some. The latest example has to be Ni No Kuni. Prefer the English VA substantially more than the JP voices. Although I am distraught that the dub is only partial. Too used to the amount of voicework in graces. In fact the thing I liked about it the most was the fully voiced skits <3

    • kroufonz

      ni no kuni is one of those typical ghibli and/or some other more mainstream/casual animated movie that often favor the use celebrity or dorama/film Actress/ Actor/idol instead of pro seiyuu, go look at ni no kuni cast you’ll find majority of main cast wasn’t a pro seiyuu. (miyazaki anime some time use well known male idol). it’s hard to compare it with atelier.

  • Nitraion

    I called it…. might be huge possibility
    DLC or patch for jap voice…

  • enorka miho

    People… We really really have so little JRPG left… If we do not support them.. Then I fear we are going to kiss them goodbye very soon… Gone are your debate about dual or dub issues… And we are in dire time now!!

    • Kai M

      I understand your position but if the product is not in your interest then why buy it.

      • Elvick

        Not having Japanese audio vs having the game in a language you actually speak are two very different levels of importance.

    • CirnoLakes

      I’m with the DLC suggestion. In fact I’m with that for all jRPGs without dual audio. Someone should petition them to put the Japanese audio up for DLC. Not everyone will like it, but people WILL buy it. And companies should be fairly comfortable with this method.

      I say, buy it. And then make a petition to get Japanese audio DLC. They should definitely give THAT a second thought.

  • yalissa

    It’s really upsetting how they worded this. I can only hope for the Japanese Audio Track as DLC as a possibility in the future. I’m upset at how poorly they’re treating this game compared to all the previous ones. Not only that, we are getting a partial dub. I can only pray that we get a higher quality dub because of the money they’re saving from not including dual audio. And there is, so far, no confirmed CE/LE or a Soundtrack! At least give us a soundtrack! One more thing that ticks me off the most is everyone who’s pulling the “ungrateful gamer” card. Well I’m SORRY for having expectations. Tecmo-Koei could’ve handled this much better. I don’t know what their reasoning behind this is, but they’re poorly handling this. There is zero-to-none marketing effort, and it’s being released at the same time many other big games are being released (which also have been better advertised). I’m still going to be buying the game. After all, I’ve waited this long. But it definitely won’t be a first day purchase for me.

    • CirnoLakes

      DLC! Why didn’t I think of that before?! We’re living in a DLC age and somehow I didn’t think of it.

      This is EXACTLY what we need to petition to Bandai Namco about the Tales games. Somebody start up a petition because we could do this. Since they’re most likely worried about licensing costs for Japanese audio, just have them have it available on DLC stores. It’s the perfect compromise. And sure, people hate DLC and loads of people will grumble. But it is sure a lot better for both parties than no Japanese audio at all.

      I would buy it. I end up spending a lot more just to buy the Japanese copies of games just so I can enjoy the Japanese audio. This would save me a lot of money and would earn Japanese companies a lot of money in the DLC market.

  • Kai M

    Future.Really Tk. What make you think you can do it for the future game if you can’t even do it for this one.

  • WyattEpp

    I think the wording here is really curious. It’s like T-K is blaming Gust, saying “We wanted it, but they wouldn’t let us.” It sounds awfully weird considering who is the parent and who is the…err, subsidiary.

    • Elvick

      I don’t see that at all.

      Sounds like they’re just contacting Gust, to confirm information. Then getting the information and apologizing or the misinformation they put out on their facebook/twitter.

      • WyattEpp

        Which is why I think it sounds weird. Why do they have to contact Gust when they’re the ones with the power? Normally you’d say something like “We’re very sorry, but the $feed was wrong; the game will only have English audio.” It seems like it would be a publisher decision, not something that they’d need to check for.

        • Kai2591

          I share your bafflement. Its both confusing and frustrating.

        • Elvick

          That’s something else entirely though.

          It’s called… wait for it… incompetence.

          And it’s not like the head of Tecmo Koei runs the twitter or facebook page anyway. It’s PR people. They’re not always on the ball.

          The same level of people that said that there was an exclusivity deal keeping Tales of Vesperia from NA, which was retracted by said person shortly after.

          • shadowind

            Chin Soon Sun is actually a good friend of mine IRL and he’s always on the ball when it comes to PR. After all, he’s the guy who’s in contact quite a lot of the time with the head honchos at TK in Japan as well as gets to hang out with the likes of Team Ninja on a regular basis.

            This is a guy who goes above and beyond the call of duty even though he doesn’t have to. He does so because he cares about the fans of the games just as much as promoting the games themselves. That’s why he’s got so many fans over here in Europe as well as the US.

            At the end of the day, I’d say it’s TK in Japan who’s to blame for underestimating the popularity of the series, but at the same time, I don’t think that Chin should be treated as if he’s a mass muderer, rapist or baby eater just because his apology wasn’t good enough for certain ‘fans’…

  • CirnoLakes

    How about if the game sells well enough, we get an “international version” with Japanese voices? That seems fair. Square Enix did that sort of thing with Star Ocean 4.

    Else I’m going to need to buy both copies like I’ve hard to do with several other jRPGs.

    Edit: Oh, DLC audio. A fantastic idea. That’s a way of using the technology we have instead of just the old methods we’re used to. I could go for that, as well. In fact I wish Bandai Namco would do something like that with the Tales games. If they’re worried about the expenses of audio licensing, then put it on a DLC shop. People like me would pay extra. It’d surely cost less than me buying an +80 dollar copy of the game imported.

    • Locklear93

      Actually, DLC audio is a pretty great idea for a second reason. Even if they did it free (improbable, but for the sake of argument here…), it would present a substantial barrier to the reverse importing that scared Index on Persona 4 (and presumably scares others as well). Ship a SKU with only the default language(s) for a region, and make the original language available on the shop.

      While it’s true that that people CAN jump through hoops to access foreign online services, it throws navigating another language in the way, it forces them to mess with their account to access the foreign shop, the audio DLC release could be delayed a bit to make the reverse import more unattractive while still allowing a simultaneous release, and if there IS a cost, it adds the hassle of needing a credit card with the appropriate national address or gift cards appropriate to the store of the region selling the audio DLC.

      No region lock needed, and enough potential pains in the ass to discourage a fair number of would be reverse importers.

  • Kai2591

    ahahahaha that’s funny, cuz NOW they regret it, and NOW they’re sorry.
    What many of us want to know is WHY did they decide not to include Japanese audio? Who made that frustrating decision? Who’s to blame? and why the hell didn’t they know about the removal of Japanese audio in the first place when they are the distributor? Its just weird..

    also, ‘may return with future Atelier games’? why not start with THIS game? maybe as DLC.

  • http://twitter.com/#!/kaishou Kaishou

    If Japanese voice over is so THAT important to you over a game getting localized, just buy the Japanese version. Clearly that’s what I’m getting here. Sure there may be some setback such as this but in the end we are just going to play the game then move onto the next one.

    Incoming downvote *dive in trench* :/

    • shadowind

      That’s what I said before, but obviously some of the people here can’t be bothered to do so, I guess.

      • Sawit Sukheviriya

        Learning language takes time you know? AND IT IS SO FUCKING LONG TIME when you’re not native English speaker and you have to study both English and Japanese to the point that it’s enough to play an RPG games. I don’t mind if games like MG or RE only has ENG dub though. Anyway it’s still a long way until I study Japanese well enough to play PRG game and I’m not gonna wait for that so GIVE ME DUAL AUDIO ON NEXT GAME YOU LOCALIZING.

        • Elvick

          But if someone’s sole reason for NOT buying this release is Japanese audio then they clearly don’t care that much about playing the game in a language they can understand. Otherwise, they’d be supporting the fact they translated it and brought it over.

          Translating the game takes far more resources than just re-using Japanese audio. There’s a disconnect with the value of these two things.

          Apparently re-using something is worth supporting more than translating an entire game.

          • Sawit Sukheviriya

            Like I said in my previous comment, I don’t really mind if games like MG or RE only has ENG dub. BUT for anime-like games like this one, I hurt me so much knowing that I will have to listening to high-pitched voice instead of those famous seiyuus :(

    • Istillduno

      I was actually considering that since we have the wonder that is google translate and the way the series has always handled story segments and dialogue in general it should be possible to muddle through with google translate and a japanese virtual keyboard.

      Anyone actually tried this before?

      Sounds pretty handy for those of us who don’t want to support corner cutting on the western adaption to skim extra money off the series for the shareholders at the expense of customers to still actually get to play the game.

  • Istillduno

    Oh, how nice, they “may” fix a problem that they have introduced into the series themselves, how ****ing sweet.

    Sod it, no money for them until they take actual action to fix the problem they have caused.

  • りんごタルト@エスカのアトリエ

    Hmmm, no money for TK for now, I guess.

  • Tianyu Wei

    TK really f’d up here lol… They probably get better sales by not dubbing it at all lol.

    • raymk

      No they’d get less sales by having jp dub only in the U.S, I don’t know about the U.k tho but in the U.S english dub sales more copies than jp only dub.

  • Eric Harris

    I’ll probably buy this. I’m just upset, we wen’t from dual audio and beautiful lovingly done limited edition sets. To english only standard boring PS3 plastic case. I would love to hear the story behind this decision. Does NISA really have that many compile heart and IF games coming up to translate that they had to abandon GUST’s flagship? I just don’t get it.

    • kardonius

      NISA didn’t abandon Gust.

      Tecmo Koei bought Gust in December 2011. I believe NISA may have had a deal made for Ayesha before TK bought Gust however. TK decided they would do the publishing instead of NISA at some point and they are the ones responsible for all the decisions regarding licensing the JP language track and how release the game for retail. No JP audio and no LE is solely the fault of Tecmo Koei.

  • Oltheros

    Shhhh….listen…can you hear it?

    That’s the sound of lost sales.

    • raymk

      Not really, people said the same thing about Ar tonelico 2, Dynasty warriors 7 and other NIS games.

  • Talearc

    Looks like i have to endure it this time, i hope next Atelier games will have dual audio, TK

  • Immortal1

    And subs are for people who wish they were Japanese. Not really, but if you wanna be a jerk, so can I.

  • M’iau M’iaut

    I can appreciate the concern for a friend, but turning around and throwing your own insults and questionable internet art won’t help anyone. Most of the anger has left this thread, let’s not rekindle it, thanks.

  • shadowind

    I can understand where you’re coming from, but at the same time, I’m entitled to my own opinion and I can’t help it if I think that quite a few people are acting like spoilt brats and not doing true fans any favors with their attitude.

    EDIT: In all honesty, I’d suggest it would be easier to just lock the whole thread down before things get worse like a certain thread last year did…

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