Nintendo Apologizes For No Same-Sex, Pledges To Make Next Tomodachi Game More Inclusive

By Ishaan . May 9, 2014 . 1:55pm

Nintendo’s Tomodachi Life has been taking heat for excluding same-sex relationships in its set of features. In recent weeks, discussion about the game and Nintendo’s response to its faults has escalated—enough to prompt a reaction from the company.

 

In a press release sent out this afternoon, Nintendo of America issued the following statement:

 

We apologize for disappointing many people by failing to include same-sex relationships in Tomodachi Life. Unfortunately, it is not possible for us to change this game’s design, and such a significant development change can’t be accomplished with a post-ship patch. At Nintendo, dedication has always meant going beyond the games to promote a sense of community, and to share a spirit of fun and joy. We are committed to advancing our longtime company values of fun and entertainment for everyone. We pledge that if we create a next installment in the Tomodachi series, we will strive to design a game-play experience from the ground up that is more inclusive, and better represents all players.

 

Tomodachi Life will be available on June 6th in North America and Europe.


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  • MrRobbyM

    Good. Not that I have interest in the game to begin with, but we need equality in everything.

  • logginsmessina

    What about divorce?

    Surrogacy? Polygamy? Family religion? Should all of this be included
    too, because they are associated with different types of marriage?

    Should negative things be included too? Domestic violence? Child abuse? Jeez the list just goes on and on.

    The game was designed to be played as it is. Sadly, its not to your
    taste. If you don’t like it, stay away from it. Nintendo has no
    obligation to satisfy everyone’s flavour of family, sex, race,
    nationality and culture.

    • Tetris

      There is divorce already.

    • Scipio

      Hey, as a happily-married man with 4 wives and a dog, I take offense that Nintendo forgot about including polygomy in this game. I guess that means I’ll have to petition about that as well.

      • Haganeren

        Especially the dog

    • What are you even talking about? x’D
      If they were going to include marriage, why only allow it for a certain group of people? It’s as simple as that.

      • Matty

        It’s the ol’ “slippery-slope” argument. A well known logical fallacy.

        • Yeah, it is. And I probably shouldn’t even have bothered, but I couldn’t help it. ;u;

          • idrawrobots

            First they have male/female marriage, what are they going to do next add male/male and female/female marriage? I doubt it since slippery slopes are logical fallacies.

          • It sounds like they are actually, so that slope must not be that slippery. x’D

            Thanks for playing though, come again next time!

          • idrawrobots

            I think I just proved that slippery slopes do exist and are not some kind of fallacy. Really it’s more about moving the Overton Window, but it’s more or less the same principal.

          • Except some of the things on that list had nothing to do with the marriage part, and certainly weren’t “whimsical,” thus not in tone with the game at all. It was a complete silly argument to be making.

          • Matty

            “slippery-slope” is a fallacy not because they exist or not (that’s stupid), it’s because it doesn’t discuss the issue at hand but on unrelated hypotheticals.

            Really though, by slippery-slope logic marriage itself shouldn’t exist.

          • idrawrobots

            Perhaps not for most discussions of marriage, but the argument can be very valid at times. It is my opinion that the US government shouldn’t recognize and give incentives any marriage, and because they choose one type of marriage over others, the left out groups will want those same incentives. The same goes for the Domino Theory, the slippery slope eluded to one country falling to Communism driving other countries to do the same, and it happened.
            The slippery slope argument with Tomodachi could end up being that if there is a next time that adding gay marriages is inclusive enough. What about other genders, what about other sexes, what about a lack of vegetarian food options or vegan food options or gluten free options, what about more skin colors or hair colors?
            And what if I get this game and there is a part that relies on colors that I (as a color blind individual) cannot distinguish, because that is often times over looked and actually effect my ability to play games, even ones as simple as the ghost house Street Pass game.

    • And when these things continue to be added, how long until it becomes a second life? Gotta remember this is a video game, and not REAL life. At that point, gotta go outside and live it.

    • idrawrobots

      I hope they add the ability to alter Mii but sizes in the next one. I don’t want my sexual preferences left out.

      • You see the difference between preference and orientation. Congrats! But sexual preferences have nothing to do with the game.

        • idrawrobots

          Sorry, but I don’t see the difference in sexual preference and sexual preference.

    • Kyle

      It’s not difficult to include choices for players of different ethnicity and/or sexuality.

      And why the hell did you even bring up negative crap? Like what the actual shit. That’s in a totally different league.

  • Impressionnant

    I still don’t know why it was such a big deal. Not everything has to appeal to you. Oh, well, I’m just a black guy; what do I know?

    • ShawnOtakuSomething

      and I’m just a black thing person, lets start a family

    • Sentsuizan_93

      Same, bro.
      Guess there’s no impressing everyone, I guess. :/

    • Brion Valkerion

      ikr, pretty smart of them to say “in the next game” though haha.

    • Wtv

      What about if Nintendo had banned black avatars from marry with white avatars?

      • Impressionnant

        That would’ve given me a chuckle. I probably would then choose a white avatar, so I could get with a white woman.

        • Kalis Konig

          Oh lawd

        • Wtv

          Well, I am the kind of people that don’t get personaly offended with things too, but there are differente people. And if they will put something that exists in real life and take something out of it, people will wonder why and complain. It’s natural.

        • Son of a Smooosh

          Best comment 2014

        • doubleO7
        • Right on brotha!

        • I snorted

      • Scipio

        Nintendo didn’t ban anything.

      • Happy Gamer

        Comparing civil rights to same sex marriage is something that makes alot of people who have any idea of the distinction really do face palms. There are good examples and analogies, and just really horrible ones.

        Advocating it or not, what irks me is not the sides people take but complete nonsense and emotional outbursts from each party when having discussions.

        • Isn’t same-sex marriage civil rights itself? Sure, the actual movement was a different story than this, but it’s not as though a lot of these things haven’t been tangled amongst each other for some time.

          But yeah, some of the more extreme parts from both sides are distracting and unnecessary.

          • Happy Gamer

            You are absolutely right. But what I meant was comparing the struggle and hundreds of years discrimination, slavery and being treated subhuman literally. Sure gays suffer from discrimination, but to say that it is the same or equal in impact is really far fetched. I really feel people need to read up on history and most of all, critically think of the difference.

            Slaves for examples didn’t even get slave rights parade for example. I can’t even imagine what kind of “punishment” they would get if something like that was done back then. I see way too many people mostly ignorant saying how the struggle reflects the hard times that African Americans went thru in America. This is straight up ignorant and stupid.

          • Matty

            I’ve always believed that the most objective way to see if a group of people is “oppressed” in a country is by examining it’s laws.

            Are there laws limiting the rights of gay people? Yes. So then it’s a real civil rights issue. There’s no use arguing like it’s some contest which group has it worse: If there is a wrong, make it right.

          • Happy Gamer

            Again, your absolutely right lol. My point wasn’t that it wasn’t a civil rights issue I think I defined it wrong. What I meant was there are people comparing it to THE civil rights movement not in context, but rather the actual struggle. They spout ridiculous things and go bananas to people all around campus. U see this alot in many colleges. It’s kind of sad but i don’t think they care about civil rights of an oppressed group, but think it’s the cool thing to do.

          • Ah, yeah. I hate to play oppression olympics, but that is a fair point and I agree.

            I really do feel for the LGBTQ community and how each particular groups’ struggles differ, but yeah, some of the scale isn’t quite the same.

            Ultimately though, I really wish all the marginalized groups could band together better and support and help each other more. vnv

          • There is some legitimate question as to whether marriage itself is a civil right. More importantly, there is reason to question whether the crux of the gay marriage debate (for both sides) is really about rights and privileges so much as it is about symbolism: that is, opponents of gay marriage feel that its permission diminishes the symbolic value of marriage as a cultural and social institution, while proponents want to claim the term “marriage” specifically as a symbolic validation of same-sex relationships within our society. To both sides the actual RIGHTS associated with marriage are mostly secondary concerns (if they weren’t, both sides would easily be able to compromise on the expansion of civil unions); it’s more about the term and convention of “marriage” itself, and the sociocultural implications that come with it. It’s more about values than rights.

            Anyway, this probably isn’t the place for an in-depth gay marriage debate, but since it was brought up I just thought I’d add my two cents on the matter.

          • Happy Gamer

            Yeah it probably isn’t, and I will get back to gaming topics after this one lol. However that being said, I got the most intelligent, interesting and objective views about this than ANY other side or people on my campus…on Siliconera…love this site.

            It definitely is the fight between what people view marriage as opposed to civil rights. It’s an extremely complex issue and why I tell people I wish not to discuss it because it’s something that cannot be said with a “agree or disagree.”

            I have been called a bigot for this tho because people assumed I was against it when I said I don’t wanna talk about it. -_-

          • I guess that depends, yeah. Personally, I think once society starts putting certain values on certain things (freedom, marriage, etc) then it can only be a civil right. I guess for me, some of that goes into semantics and culture and society.

            Some of the opponents also have other incredibly archaic, frightening and backwards beliefs (ranging from any number of fields) so I don’t take much value in what they feel and think (there are very few exceptions). But for the proponents, it’s true, the right itself isn’t what’s more important, but what comes with that entire package is.

            I will say, gay couples do miss out on a lot of things that straight couples do when married, and that definitely is as significant as the symbolism for them (for instance, taxes and probably how much easier it is to adopt when married, etc). I think for opponents, it’s definitely a stronger concentration on values, but being in control of others’ rights really gets those same people off (well, the ones with the most power) so I feel that is definitely at play quite strongly.

            Thanks! It is so refreshing to have an intelligent debate about here. Needless to say, you returned light and hope for humanity in my eyes. (Someone just said maybe dinosaurs are being discriminated against too because you can’t play as one; so I’m kind of through with people right now.)

    • TheHolypopeofgaming

      the .1% of the LGBT crowd are the loudest. That’s why it was. They completely Ignore that Birdo is Transsexual… Oh and I’m pretty sure Kirby is gay too…with all that spit and sallow action he does.

    • NeptuniasBeard

      If everyone took those words to heart, we wouldn’t have console wars lol. Anyway, I disagree, with a game like this, where the wholepoint is for you to live out a simulation of YOUR life. If you’re going to put in marriage, you may as well cover the spectrum. This isn’t like a typical game, where characters have established personalities/orientations, the person in the game is meant to represent the player. And the developer should make sure they can do so in as much a way that is reasonable. Marrying someone of the same sex doesn’t seem like much of a hurdle.

      Does it justify any threats, or bashing of the de vs? Of course not, but people can at least voice their displeasure with a product, and hope the developers do something. And if they refuse, determine if the game is still worth it.

      • PreyMantis

        Or, you know, don’t buy the game? I don’t see why this is a problem. If the developers didn’t put it there, why cry over it if it’s not there as if you’re being forced to buy it? Just don’t buy the game if you don’t like it, for goodness sake. No one is forcing you to purchase the damn game.

        • Matty

          because gay people buy games too?

          And a whole hell of alot refusing to buy a game does if you don’t let the company know WHY you’re not buying it. Did you not think of that?

          • PragmaticSoul

            Yet no one is forcing gay people to buy this game. Your wallet will do more talking than your mouth ever will. I simply voice my dislike of a product by not buying it.

            Nintendo just became the victim of clickbait bullshit unfortunately.

    • Bunzi

      I’m black, too, and while I can’t expect a Japanese company to routinely include an ethnicity they don’t regularly come in contact with in their media, I don’t know why people seem to fight marginalized group’s inclusion so adamantly. It doesn’t hurt white people or Japanese people if more blacks show up in anime.

      It doesn’t hurt straight people if more gays show up in their video games.

      And it certainly won’t Nintendo to include an option for gay marriage in their silly simulation game.

      • This.

      • Slayven19

        Are you serious? Plenty of people get in an uproar weather the game have straight people or gay people all the time. Likewise I’ve seen people not by dragon age because of gay couples. I’m not saying its right but to say it doesn’t hurt is a lie. White and black is a different issue because sexuality can be any race or sex.

        • Wiccan1109

          Actually id have to disagree there. I’m not so sure Bioware has been hurt for their stance on homosexuality. I mean Dragon age and Mass Effect are both huge titles, they’re both approaching or past trilogy status each and have huge fan following, novels, animations. Dragon Age is getting ready to create more games past inquisition and ME4 may be starting off a new series itself. If they got hurt, it was only a flesh wound.

          I myself turned my nose up at ME and DA until i found out (from a thread where some guy was angry about the same sex options) and after giving it a try, i now own everything bioware ever put out.

          For every angry/uncomfortable person who boycotts bioware games, there is a person who loves what they’ve done and will take their place. Love is present in most video games but i believe its only 3 or 4 companies in the west that believe that every person, regardless of sexuality, should be able to relate to it on a personal level, the way some straight gamers have now taken for granted. I enjoy bioware games a lot but i wouldnt have TRIED them without knowing what they did.

          They arent really being hurt, they’re choosing their appeal, stance and their demographic, who to sell their product to. No one likes everything and no video game can do anything without having something someone doesnt like. Love/homosexuality, cars, guns, lolis, boobs, blood, language, violence etc. They’re all selling points or turn offs. Who is getting hurt? Maybe the gay teenager feeling alone and unnatural, like theres something wrong with who they are because /every/ game they play tells them to be straight. Not the company still rolling out class games 10+ years later. It doesnt NEED to be in every game, but it does NEED to be there somewhere and its not like bioware is making a huge sacrifice to do that.

          • Actually, BioWare did get some criticism over Dragon Age 2 if I remember right. (And not just because the same dungeon was repeated over and over! :P) 4 of the 5 romances were available for both men and women, and I was pretty sure I saw some people complaining because they felt that it was some kind of statement that Fenris, Anders, Isabella, and Merrill could all go either way.

          • Wiccan1109

            oh i have no doubt they got criticism, ive seen plenty of hate directed at them for doing what they did, but my point really is that criticism alone isn’t actually hurting them and they’ve been quite open about making a decision and standing by it. It’s not like the everyone went to boycott the series after DA2 because of bisexuality leading them to ruin and the end of the DA series. They were going to end it at 2 but brought it back because it was just so popular. Criticism is either helpful, spiteful or just based on personal opinion and im sure bioware knew the difference.

            The hype and energy for DA:I amongst the fans has been wonderful, and i note that even though theyre now adding strictly gay/bi/straight romances, some people are still not happy that they cant romance whoever they want now, but killing themselves to get a copy regardless. Every game is gonna get criticism for something by someone, every decision to please one person will anger another. Whilst it doesnt /help/ them it certainly doesn’t /hurt/ them either, plenty of people gonna buy it and it wont be same sex relations that send them in to ruin. =D

      • hazelnut1112

        How come we can’t downvote this?
        There are certain things the developer intended to put in the game and that is how they intended it in the first place. If you want something like this then make it yourself, don’t go crying wolf over and over again because it will make the certain group look bad if not worse.
        This is probably the biggest reason why Nintendo was afraid to localize this game, because of people attacking them for nothing. Why was there no controversy over this in Japan and yet overseas we got people complaining left and right. It’s not right.

        • Matty

          Were you outraged when Nintendo changed the gender of effeminate male Animal Crossing characters? Don’t pretend this annoys you because you’re a Japanese version purist.

          A gay guy asked Nintendo nicely and they chose to listen, and that upsets you.

          The “controversy” lies with you.

        • Tienron

          well of course if it gets released oversea it’s gonna cause a fuss japan is an all Asian country if your gonna release oversea you have to think that not everyone is Asian first of all and secondly not everyone is straight, these a simple simple things to be honest. Gender, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation. DONE!

    • Wow. Just what.

    • Matty

      What does you being black have to do with it?

      • Because Black people are usually less represented in general like gays so yes they’ve the right to to say that it won’t bother them.

        • Matty

          Still seems irrelevant and petty, to be honest.

      • I think its funny when gay people like to use black people for the equality debate when black people aren’t the ones treated unfairly but when people try to compare the 2 in something else (where it is an equal issue) it doesn’t hold a candle? In things where race is ALWAYS shown and sexuality doesn’t even show up black people have it worse. Sexuality appears slightly in a game and there is a big uprising about equality. Meanwhile its just Tuesday for black people not being able to relate to a character. This is what he was getting at. If black people started making a fuss about not being able to change their characters skin tone you guys would think they’re morons.

    • It all started on Neogaf, when a guy said he won’t buy that game if there will not same sex mariage. So people supported him and it made a snowball…

      • Hours Left

        The person who started the campaign said he was still gonna buy the game, and that people should NOT boycott it, but tell Nintendo how they felt.

    • Tarkovsky

      I agree. I don’t go round screaming for more Asians to be in lead roles in Hollywood films do I? Heck, more often than not, Asian actors and actresses don’t even play their ethnicity. You get Chinese playing Japanese and vice versa. But you know what I don’t give a sh*t because I just enjoy the medium for what it is. I’m male but I also do not mind playing games with lead female characters so what gives. I think the next thing people are going to complain about is religion. Yes, we need to be able to pick religion in games like these. Why is there no option to being a Christian in Tomodachi Life 2?!!
      Actually scratch that, the people who practice polygamy. WHY CAN”T I HAVE MORE THAN ONE MATE!?!?!?! People need to accept the fact that there will always be people that are left out. You can never please everyone.

      • Happy Gamer

        you also forgot people who marry nintendo DSs. outrage!

      • PreyMantis

        What about furries? Okay, I’m done for tonight…

    • Kyle

      It’s not that hard to add same-sex relationships. It shouldn’t even be an obstacle.

      And what does your ethnicity have to do with same-sex marriage in Tamodachi? lmaoooooo

    • Face

      You one of those magic black guys that knows everything?

  • ShawnOtakuSomething

    Can’t believe I’m saying this but Sims did it better

    • Son of a Smooosh

      Well, all Sims are Bi as far as I know, guess it doesn’t get more fair than that. xD

      • ShawnOtakuSomething

        yeah, Bi-lingual

        sorry bad joke >_>

  • KingGunblader

    That’s quite a face heel turn from “it’s not happening, get over it.”

  • Heartlesswithaheart

    I don’t see the problem. Congratulations, it doesn’t cater to your specific tastes. Go back to Tumblr and whine about it there.

    • Dark Lord Ash

      REBLOG!

  • Son of a Smooosh

    There was way too much ruckus about this “controversy”, and I bet all of those sites who did “NINTENDO HATES GAY PEOPLE” propaganda aren’t even going to update their articles.

    Well at least they got some free advertisements I guess?

    • Of course they don’t care about facts or accuracy, it’s all about the clickbait.

    • Audie Bakerson

      Didn’t Dragon’s Crown (made on a budget of less than the equivalent of 1 million USD) sales hit 1 million as a result of the free ads?

  • Raymond

    Wow…….Let me just say this, I don’t hate gay people at all but the gay community needs to stop acting like the world hates them because they are not included in something.

    Im black and i watch tons of anime but i almost NEVER see black people in them. That dose not mean all japanese people just hate black people because they never put them in anime.

    • Audie Bakerson

      Seriously, these people do NOT help. In fact, they do a lot to hurt. Now (thanks to this and a few other incidents recently) instead of any idiot, who may be up for a position of actual power and not making a video game that has already gone gold, who whines about some nonsense “gay agenda” committing career suicide, people might actually pay attention to the nutcase!

    • Towel

      Though I can agree that certain ‘cultures’ can be rather obnoxious in their pursuits, I don’t see the problem of having an option.

    • logginsmessina

      what about Raikage, Killer Bee, Omoi, Darui or Dutch?

      • Raymond

        I said almost never. im sure there are some.

        • harmonyworld

          Ever seen Michiko and Hatchin, Black main character.
          There are black characters in cowboy bebop (as well as trans characters)
          Soul eater has black characters too!
          It’s not hard, you just gotta watch the right shows is all~

          • Raymond

            I said almost. i have seen most of those animes so i know there are some in them.

          • Michiko to Hatchin is the best. ♥
            Also, I wish more shows were that diverse, period (no matter what side of the coast they come from).

          • NimbusStev

            Dude Michiko and Hatchin was the most amazing anime I’ve seen in the past few years! Everything about it was just so stylish.

          • Matty

            There’s Agil from Sword Arts :p

        • Sidday

          to be fair you said never the second time lol

    • Rasputing

      I don’t think this is really the gay community, but rather the social justice community, who are notorious for making big fusses a la nothing rather than doing worthwhile stuff for their causes.

      • Which is weird to me, because some of the SJs just seem like such extremists and I question how sincere some of them are; I guess it’s because it’s scary for me to imagine well-meaning people being so horrible though (not that some of them don’t have obnoxious priorities).

    • Japan has a negligible black population, while its LGBT population is… well, the same proportionate size as any other society, presumably. So it is kind of different.

    • Kyle

      “I don’t hate gay people at all but”

      lmao ok

  • Inganno

    The whole thing makes me wonder if Nintendo would even consider doing another Tomodachi game period with all the controversy this one got simply from getting an international release.

    • Towel

      If this one sells well, yes. Money speaks louder than words.

    • Son of a Smooosh

      It did pretty great in Japan as far as I know, and as Towel said, sales are all that matters in the end.

      Guess we will have to wait and see how it does over here in the west.

    • I have no doubt Nintendo will make another Tomodachi game.

      However, I also think we’ll never see it because of all the hubbub over this one. (Even if it does include all gender orientations.) Too much bad publicity and controversy.

      Not that I mind. I have a 3DS LL now. XD

  • doubleO7

    Still can’t believe how much attention this “issue” got (or non-issue, depending on your perspective). Not even Harvest Moon gets the amount of pissed off people this random new game from Nintendo got.

    Nintendo can make their games however they want. Regardless of the end result, I just feel like they rolled over to fan demand a little too quickly in this case.

    • Audie Bakerson

      Fun fact: Natsume actually DID outright REMOVE such a feature in Harvest Moon DS Cute (instead of a data corruption bug you couldn’t even trigger in the western release even if it wasn’t fixed because it was part of importing saves from the DS version). Where were the articles with outrageous claims there? Absolutely nowhere.

      • ShimaPantsu

        It was probably before the clickbait era.

      • Son of a Smooosh

        If I might ask, are there Harvest Moon games where you were able to have a same-sex relationship?
        Haven’t played that many entries in the series, especially not newer ones.

        • doubleO7

          There was only one, and only while playing as a female, and even then the game treated it more like friends that happened to move in together. This “roommate” feature was removed from all non-Japanese versions.

          So yeah, not really a big deal. This was years ago, although I’m sure if that happened now, people would actually make a big thing out of it.

          • Audie Bakerson

            “Best friends” who shared a bed, tied the knot with the series’s traditional engagement ring, stopped you from marrying anyone and had children together.

            The “friends” label doesn’t hide anything about the Takamachi household and it doesn’t hide anything here.

          • Wtv

            IT’S ALL SUBTEXT!!!!

          • doubleO7

            I knew about the bed thing, but I didn’t know about a ring and kids. That’s actually the first time I’ve heard that.

          • GH56734

            I’m sure that had they localized HM as-is, they would make a fuss of it anyways. (“Sexism!” “Bad Characterization!” “I can’t marry that old woman that’s not a marriage candidate HOW DARE THEY” “Why only lesbians”)

            Trinnen actually suggested that a workaround to this whole mess is that you can make you Mii as you wish and then choose the “gender” according to the orientation, and the assholes being what they are said “nooo go f yourself I don’t wanna wear a dress, make everyone bi or bust”, and perpetrating every negative stereotype, they say “children MUST play it this way because such issues are mandatory for children’s education” and “the current and older generations should die off so that” as the icing on the cake.

            A sad bunch that’s only interest in videogames is as a medium to push some agenda. And what happened to creative license? Games not representing real world?

      • kylehyde

        Exactly my friend. There are a lot of games that actually are filled with homophobic jokes (very rude and very intentional) and there is very little to none fuss. Unfortunately many gaming sites likes to target nintendo whatever they want for whatever reason to get as many hits as possible. The funny thing is that many of those gaming sites have many comments with homophobic remarks (and none of them are moderated) and suddenly most of those commenters have become on activist, talking about hypocrisy‎.

        P.S. A friend of mine is gay is planning to buy the game and he is more upset about how most of the gaming media is using this subject to gain hits. He doesn’t believe that many of those sites have a real concern.

        • Audie Bakerson

          I’ve heard its because Nintendo is stingy with press copies ect and they have nothing to lose, but nothing beyond heresay. Whatever the reason, I’m glad Nintendo Directs serve as a great metaphorical middle finger to these “journalists”, cutting them out further than the already were.

      • GH56734

        You know what they said in neogaf about that?
        “Yeah it’s okay they are a small niche company who can’t take such a blow on their niche 10-year-old franchise
        But Nintendo can and should suffer from higher rating/backlash/possibly including something illegal in Japan and many US states and countries (wedding, not mere relationships, mind you) on their unproven IP.
        If it fails to sell because of controversy? Big deal.
        It’s set to failure anyways since Nintendo 3DS is DOOOMED.
        They can only avoid this by CANCELLING it.
        And if they dare to not make/export the hypothetical sequel, this means they’re bigots/anti-gays/racists/sexists/[insert something here]. ”

        They want it to actively fail by spreading lies “Nintendo removed something that was there/said we don’t have place for…” in mainstream media no less. It devolved to threats and insults to the workers in NoA in Twitter, they are sharing in those threads with sickening glee.

        • Audie Bakerson

          Google isn’t picking anything up. Link?

          I don’t doubt it given the fantastically stupid things I’ve already seen during this, but to be sure.

          • GH56734

            There are three threads in neogaf, each one spanning 40+ pages. That’s from somewhere in the first two, yesterday and the day before. Didn’t bookmark it though :(
            You could also check Twitter.

    • Son of a Smooosh

      It’s only in their interest if they listen to fans and add wanted features.

      The problem is HOW people voiced their demands. Instead of giving actual feedback, or simply stating that the lack of gay-marriage option is putting them off of buying the game, everyone just starting going bat-shit crazy, boycotting the game and accusing Nintendo of being completely anti-gay.
      That’s where things went wrong, at least in my opinion.

  • BlueTree

    I think Nintendo’s apology is enough. I didn’t even know it was an issue… until Nintendo decided to acknowledge it. And that’s fine, I wouldn’t expect much fire breathing unless they didn’t make good on this statement.

  • Prithivi

    I’m gay and I don’t give a shit about same-sex relationships in this game, and instead of wasting my time complaining I simply won’t buy the game. I have this choice as Nintendo has the choice to not include same-sex relationships in Tomodachi Life. I don’t think an apology was necessary.

    I also have the feeling that some people is using news like this to show just a little bit of gay-hate, which is always kind of amusing (and sad, mostly sad actually) to see.

    • Son of a Smooosh

      You hit the nail on the head, take my upvote.

    • MaximDualBlade

      I don’t get it. You are not interested in the game, or are you not interested in the game anymore because there is no gay marriage?

      • Prithivi

        Sorry, English is not my native tongue and I don’t always express myself the way I’d like to.

        I really wouldn’t be interested even if the game had gay marriage xD, it’s just not my kind of game (though I love Animal Crossing, weird).

        My point is that I can’t force a company to release a game the way I want because I’m not forced to buy it. We both have freedom to do as we see fit.

        • MaximDualBlade

          You don’t need to apologize, mine isn’t English either.

          I get it now, thanks for the clarification.

    • If only people were as reasonnable and logical as you. However I think that voices must be heard in some way? Like pushing the issue and shining the spotlight on it even more. Simply ignoring social issues shown in video games (using women as props in gaming for example, gay issues etc) won’t help relieving the stigmatization of said issues. Other than that you got a good point.

      • Prithivi

        I completely agree with you, but it’s not necessary to make an issue of every little thing. I mean, I would be the first one complaining if there was any kind of anti-gay or racist thing in Tomodachi Life, but as far as I know this is not the case. I just think that this was not the appropiate time.

        • Hector Velar

          well said

    • hazelnut1112

      TIME did an article straight out bashing Nintendo.
      Then Kotaku caught wind of it and went out of control because of it. I really do hate the people in that website. They blow things out of proportion.

      • Matty

        Everytime one of these clickbait ‘news’ outlets releases a sensational article, people think it provides some sort of justification for aggression toward gays than the actual source, most of the time being Kotaku.

  • ZnTxn

    Wasn’t the gay marriage just a side effect of a save file corruption bug?

    • doubleO7

      Yep, it was just a glitch. If it was a “feature” they removed for the English version that would be one thing… but it wasn’t, yet it still caused this huge “controversy”

    • Guest

      No. It was a mix-up from the media.

      The screenshots we saw were from Japanese players creating up a Mii character assigned as female but dressed as male, or viceversa, and make them marry with the opposite sex.

      The save file corruption bug was a problem due data import from the original game on DS, and it was corrected with a patch around that same time.

      • ZnTxn

        So basically people were complaining about an anti gay patch of a feature that never existed in the first place?

        Good job internet, you never cease to amuse me!

        • Guest

          Pretty much. Furthermore what Nintendo patched around that time did not change the possibility to do what we saw in the screenshots.

          But it was all thrown together in the gaming news sites.

      • DuskSharkEX

        Are you serious?

    • Audie Bakerson

      Because the data corruption bug was based on importing save data, you couldn’t trigger it in the west even if it wasn’t patched!

      • GH56734

        Since the DS prequel was never localized to begin with.

        • Audie Bakerson

          Uh… yes? That was my point?

          • GH56734

            I know :P
            I’m just agreeing

  • subsamuel01

    Nintendo did not need to apologize, sad to see how society has become offended by every little thing.

    • 古戸ヱリカ

      You should see their reaction to DLC.

  • Derek

    as a gay person… it-s just a effing game for god’s sake…
    people reaaally exaggerates everything…

  • Nesther

    You shouldn’t force your values upon an artist. If they chose to make the game this way, then that’s that. Nintendo has never really been a company that listens to their fanbase when it comes to creating games, so expecting them to alter a finished game is kind of silly.

    • Sentsuizan_93

      Exactly. Besides, the JP version wasn’t coded to have that feature anyway.
      It’s not a matter of “We hate gays” or anything like that, it is as you say: The developers chose to make the game this way.

      • Fen Y

        And the decision is not beyond criticism.

        Odd how people like you only think artists are gods that must never be criticized when it’s about having everything heterosexual only.

        The moment it’s an issue you care about, regardless how minor, your ilk is the first to cry from the rooftops about it getting changed.

        • Sentsuizan_93

          Woah, now. Slow down there.
          I said the developers chose to make a game the way they have done so. Never have I said that they must “Never be criticized” for making it as such.

    • Wtv

      You should express your opinions to the artist, though. And if you think the artist is being homophonic, you’ll tell them.

      What you can’t do is force the artist to change things. And no one can do that…well, politics can, but still…

      Even if they are being quite agressive, they are just potential buyers giving they opinions. Nothing wrong with that.

      • Scipio

        How are they being homophobic as you claim when they never intended to omit homosexuals or hate on them?

        Please explain.

        • Wtv

          I didn’t said they are. I said people that think that will say it.

          To begin with, gay marriages aren’t even legal in Japan, so it makes sense that the game is like that. The marriage thing is probably some random thing that just will show on the character anyway…They should think about it in the future if they want to release the game in the west, though.

          I’m just saying that if people thinks something is wrong, they will complain about it and they are right to do. There are a lot ofcomments saying that complains ir wrong, so…

          To me the game just looks boring and stupid, actually. I just clicked on the article because I see about this story in every game site I go now.

          • Scipio

            Well I’m not in any position to think that this is wrong, but honestly, it really isn’t. You’re more then welcomed to voice your opinion on the matter, but when people claim that someone is doing something that they clearly aren’t, then it’s on them to respond to it.

            The truth is, Nintendo did nothing wrong and this news is being used by various sites to garner clicks, which I conscientiously am aware of and choose to participate in. Nintendo, like many companies the world over, is not immoral, on moral, but amoral. The reason this was not an option in the first place isn’t rooted in hate for a group, much to the dismay of many people it seems, but rather because they most likely did not want publicity over something that might or might not make them seem like they are in the wrong, by various groups. They simply want to sell a product without any fuss. That’s it. That’s all it is.

            I wonder where these people were when Fire Emblem: Awakening and Rune Factory 4 had no same-sex marriage. There was not as big of a deal over those game as this one, and that tells me that certain sites have been spinning this around to benefit them rather than providing a neutral stance in their headlines.

        • If they omit homosexuals, wouldn’t that be homophobic? And in this case, homosexuals are being omitted. You just explained that yourself. x’D

          • Scipio

            I don’t see it working that way. I meant that Nintedo didn’t choose to purposely do it, rather it never was intended in the first place.

          • It could only be a conscious decision though. How could it not be?

          • Scipio

            There is a big difference between choosing to not include something simply because it would benefit a group you personally do not fine favorable and choosing not to because it benefits the company.

            Truth is, we don’t know if it was a conscience decision or a cultural one, or what have you. I’m simply basing my claims on past Nintendo decisions, and past Nintendo decision have shown that they like to play it safe in order to sell their products the world over. After all, being amoral doesn’t make you a bigot or a homophone.

          • NimbusStev

            They also don’t allow you to play as a velociraptor in the game. Does that mean they are prejudice against dinosaurs?

          • =v=

            Raptors can open doors, can’t they? I guess they are indeed on our same field as thought and living. You’re right.

            Rights for dinosaurs!

    • harmonyworld

      Yeah, but if this “artist” is expecting people to relate to their game, it’d be best to represent all types of people, not just one type.
      And basically, that’s what Tomodachi Life is.
      You make a Mii based on you or someone you know, and if you are gay, your mii should be able to be as well.
      Just saiyin~

      • Audie Bakerson

        I’ve seen this “relate to” card played before and it has always struck me as… wrong to claim sex, race or sexual orientation are required for someone to “relate” to a character rather than experience and views.

        • harmonyworld

          In a personality sense, then yeah, it’s not needed I guess, but when you are basically making yourself in a game, you should be able to be yourself, your whole self.
          That’s all I’m saying~

          • PreyMantis

            But it’s not yourself, but just almost a representation of yourself. The character in the game does its own thing; thus, it’s not “you,” but a close image of you that “relates” to you.

          • Matty

            Are you trying to explain that Mii’s aren’t real but are cartoonish characterizations of real people…?

            Maybe you think you have a point with this, but you really don’t.

    • Scrooge_McDuck

      Well, if the artist’s goal is to express his personal self, you’d have a point. However, from the horse’s mouth, this one’s goal is to “fun and entertainment for everyone”. If they wanted to take everyone into the equation, then everyone should give feedback.

    • Ryker

      Like any art, its open to interpretation and criticism. If you don’t agree with the artists interpretation of society as a whole, you should be vocal about your point of view, especially if its interactive art that is supposed to unite us. If someone feels excluded by something that is supposed to bring us together, the artist has failed to achieve this goal. Social commentary is the greatest aspect of Art culture.

  • Eric Harris

    sooo gonna marry Miyamoto next game! Sorry Zelda he’s mine!

  • Since video games (especially social/virtual reality games) are a reflection of society, it’s perfectly normal for Gaymers to denounce their lack of representation in it. However Nintendo is free to do what it wants in its games and offended people are free to not support it by buying it. However I side eyed Nintendo’s messy response when they stated “We hope that all of our fans will see that ‘Tomodachi Life’ was intended to be a whimsical and quirky game, and that we were absolutely not trying to provide social commentary.” As if incorporating gay relations wasn’t “quircky” and “whimsical” enough for games. Also making a social video game IS a form of social commentary. That’s my only beef (no pun intended) on the subject.

  • harmonyworld

    I won’t ask them to change this one, but if there is another tomodachi life after this one, there is no reason it shouldn’t be included.
    Tomodachi life should be able to relate to all types of people.
    If I want a gay mii, or a mii that’s female but dresses like a male, or a mii that’s in a wheelchair, then those things should be able to be included.

    Everyone should be able to have representation in the things they enjoy, and gaming it one of the easiest mediums to do it.
    (I’m still gonna get tomodachi life tho, I’ll just make a female mii to look male because mii’s are basically genderless)

    • GH56734

      Assuming there is a sequel at all.
      The DS one was cancelled due to the current state of the market, and it wasn’t even impossible to localize it in 2010.
      This company refused to localize the Stafy series and Giftpia because they were “too Japanese for western audiences”. They could see a really slight potential for controversy in those inoffensive games, and canned those anyways.
      What makes people think a sequel or its localization is a given at all?

  • thomby

    I’m gay and I’d probably still buy it anyway. It’s like with Rune Factory, the fact that I can’t be in a same sex relationship with one of the characters never brothered me. I would always just play as a female character instead. Haha it’s their game, they can do what they want with it.

    • harmonyworld

      It bothered me!
      FOOOORTEEEE! WHY WON’T YOU MARRY MEEEEH!
      *sobs into the universe*

      • thomby

        SO TRUE. I would have gone gay for Forte too! :o she was adorable! That is if I were a girl. Hah

    • Aemette

      I feel *almost* the same way you do. I’m gay as well and although I WON’T buy the game, simply because I doesn’t interest me in the slightest, I don’t care about not being able to marry someone of the same-sex in any game. I think it’s ridiculous that people feel like every game has to appeal to EVERYONE. I’ve not played a game where I can marry another guy but I don’t care nor do I want to marry another guy, be it in this life or in a video game. If the game allowed same-sex marriages then there would be a HUGE cry against it. I’d rather sit here and play any other game instead of try to feel like this needs to be changed.

      At the same time I get it, if Nintendo would have allowed same-sex marriages they would have been praised by a good number of people and some would have thought back to how Atlus allowed Kanji Tatsumi and his scenarios in Persona 4. Atlus was heavily commended by the fact that they didn’t censor any sort of hint at Kanji’s sexuality and I was glad that they allowed him to be there as he was intended but that’s Atlus for you, they have been known to make leaps like that, to take chances and roll out M rated games with realistic content. Now looking at this game and its company, Nintendo is more family-oriented, more child friendly, for the most part. This game is questionable enough with the fact that you can get married, but let’s not forget: you don’t have to buy this game. If you don’t agree with something like not being able to marry someone of the same sex, don’t buy it and don’t support it. Just don’t make it sound look like Nintendo HAS to allow that.

      What’s next? People are gonna get upset over the fact that you CAN put on dresses in Animal Crossing New Leaf?

      • Matty

        It only matters when it’s relevant to the game.

        In this case, you make virtual versions of yourself and see them interact with another virtual effigy of people. How can you not see that sexual orientation is relevant here? Harvest Moon isn’t at all a fair comparison.

        Gay people responded very maturely to the controversy and in how they let Nintendo know their opinion. Don’t clump them in with your click-bait kotaku/RPS gaming outlets.

        • Aemette

          If anyone clumped, it was you. “Gay people responded very maturely…” sounds like we were ALL upset over this and that it was solely gay people who were upset. Its not just gays that advocate for the equal treatment of all.

          And it also sounds like my response just didn’t meet your standards. I responded maturely as well, I didn’t care about getting the game before and this controversy doesn’t change that. My being gay had NOTHING to do with me NOT getting this game, I simply wasn’t interested in it. My original response was stating that view. Sure I haven’t played the game, sure I probably won’t, I’m just annoyed at people getting angry with Nintendo for not allowing same-sex marriages. This doesn’t make me hate Nintendo, this just doesn’t affect me or my life in any way and it has no reason to because this is supposed to be a family/kid-friendly game; I mean, it’s rated E. Given that homosexuality is a tough subject in many parts of the world, the backlash from them in allowing same-sex marriages would have been horrendous and Nintendo would have been attacked a lot. Now, sure it sucks that they sided with the “minority” group here but at least they are aware of this controversy and they at least understand that other people exist and other people have different views. If they had just let this controversy slide past them, it would have shown how ignorant and careless they are. Their statement proves they aren’t.

          And what does this even mean: “click-bait kotaku/RPS gaming outlets?”

          • Tienron

            but the game should appeal to all people and not just hertosexual people, to exclude that is and was very ignorant. in this case it’s meant to be yourself in a virtual setting and of course if you’re gay there is something BIG missing, it’s just not the same gaming experience which means the developers failed.

    • GH56734

      You know, your point was brought up by Trinnen. Besides the tiny gender switch, people could even create their Mii physically as they want. In all versions.
      People deemed it *unacceptable* (I DON’T WANT A DRESS). Since, you know, the controversy needed to continue. This particular point was NEVER brought up again in any other article.

    • wububu

      I’m in the same boat as your. I could just make my character a girl in the game or make my boyfriend a girl and cross dress. I know it’s not exactly the same, but hey, it’s better than nothing. And I did that as well in Rune Factory and Harvest Moon, so I’d say it is not a big deal. But having the next game to really represent who we are are most certainly welcomed.

  • SaiyanJedi_Trunks

    Even though I don’t agree with all of Nintendo’s decisions, they never cease to amaze me when dealing with a crisis. They really are the best.

    • EmptyWarrior

      Err… They could’ve handled the Swapnote fiasco a little bit better.

      • Raymond

        i miss swapnote……..T_T

      • SaiyanJedi_Trunks

        Oh, you mean the abuse? Well…even Sony had to deal with that with the Twitch streams…just another situation where stupid people ruin everything for everyone.

        • ShawnOtakuSomething

          of you mean the live..hentai thing

          • Kamakuma

            Wut? That happened? x’D

          • Son of a Smooosh

            Care to explain? :p

      • ShawnOtakuSomething

        noooo bro!! toooooooo sooon! Nooooooo Nikki we miss you!

  • Immortal1

    If they can apologize for this totally absurd issue, then they can bring over Mother 3.

    • GH56734

      No. If anything, it would make them even more RELUCTANT to localize risqué content that could sparkle a controversy of any sort outside Japan.
      What happened here devolved in a flood of hate tweets and mails, and a mass boycott for all Nintendo games and that MK launch.

  • 古戸ヱリカ

    The next one should have only gay marriage, just to even it out.

    • Towel

      The outrage would be tenfold. Do it Nintendo!

    • Son of a Smooosh

      I can already see the headlines.
      NINTENDO HATES HETEROS – SECRET PLAN TO MAKE MANKIND GO EXTINCT?

      Would love to see that. :V

      Also, nice Erika avatar.

      • Aemette

        “Tonight on FOX 11 NEWS…”

        • Towel

          “…the Chinese gay sex simulator, and how it’s targeting your children…”

          • Aemette

            “Your children could be committing lewd acts with other children, virtually that is. You heard it here tonight folks, only on Fox 11 news. Nintendo’s newest game “Tomodachi Life 2: Super Happy Fun Time” allows children to create a character called a Mii and it gives them full access to marrying other Miis of the same sex. Now, our experts have been playing through the game and although they haven’t been able to commit any lewd acts in the game, they suspect it’s there and that we’re not lying this time. We’ll be back with a full-er update.”

    • DanijoEX ♬ the Cosmic Owl

      Well, even then…it’s still a touchy subject that require thorough thinking.

      I’m probably missing the point here…

  • pokeroi

    Something tells me next time we won’t see the game localized…

    • Son of a Smooosh

      I could see the opposite happening actually, same-sex relationships in US and EU versions only.

      • Matty

        That would be odd because Japan isn’t nearly as touchy on this subject.

        Nintendo knows the US market and that puritanical parents buy Nintendo games for their children, so they censor anything LGBT related like changing the genders of Animal Crossing characters and etc.

      • pokeroi

        Nintendo knows that lots of their games are bought buy parents for theirs childrend, and be honest, even though I think being gay is totally acceptable, I’m not sure how many parents want to buy a game with same-sex marriage for their 8 years old children. Maybe in 10 years homophobic is not a thing anymore, but sadly for now it is not the case.

        • Son of a Smooosh

          In my opinion only conservative or uninformed ones to be completely honest.

          It’s not like homosexuality is contagious, that should be a universally accepted fact by now.

          If we really want to be as equal as it gets (because people will always have prejudices, no matter what we do), exposure just has to happen at an earlier age. Maybe we don’t have to explain sexuality to our 6 year old children, but we shouldn’t cover their eyes from this subject either.

          At least that’s how I think.

          • pokeroi

            Totally agreed with you.

        • decus

          If it’s designed so kids can play it I imagine it will remain that way in all respects. Most little kids of both genders proclaim that they’ll marry their likely same-sex best friend when they grow up before their parents awkwardly try to explain what marriage actually is. If the game prompts that explanation earlier than normal, so be it.

      • British_Otaku

        It is pretty frequent that Japan exclusively gets the “sexually deviant content” in games… Not that I expect Nintendo to get off easy if the next game gets localised without the feature now that they confirmed that they will make notable steps if there is another installment.

        • Son of a Smooosh

          I just found it weird that all of this stuff (the controversy and the according replies) was going on over the west. Maybe there was a lack of media coverage of it, or I just didn’t notice it, but I haven’t heard of any mass-complaints from japan.
          But yeah, I think they either have to implement it now, or they know that there wont be a sequel anyway and just want to calm the masses.

          The shitstorm they wouuld get if they released Tomodachi Life 2 without same-sex relationships would be even bigger, but this time justified now that we actually have word from Nintendo.

          • decus

            It’s because in japan they already have the game and know that you can just make a male or female mii that has the appearance of the opposite gender. Not entirely the same, but probably close enough when japan as a country is more homophobic anyway.

            And they actually never promised it for the next game. Reggie used really vague words that just promised they’d “try”, since really, he doesn’t have the authority for that–his job is more or less western PR, which that response was. He’ll deal with the future shitstorm with more PR when it exists.

          • Son of a Smooosh

            Then it was just a case of me commenting too fast without properly informing myself, thanks for clearing up the issue.

          • Jero

            My mii is a replica of Hitler but it’s a female mii so it has a skirt.

          • British_Otaku

            The language barrier is definitely a thing which may have made any media coverage seem smaller, that and the English speaking industry has been tied up by gender politics for maybe two years or so while Japan just has tons of games.

  • NeptuniasBeard

    Don’t know why people in these comments are bagging on gay people as though they put a gun to Iwatas head. Sure there are some extremist in every group, but some of the gay community is just like “Hey Nintendo, would be pretty cool of ya if you included some same sex relationships in this game. Just saying, it would immerse me more in your product, make you a bit more money, and no one will get hurt”

    • and amongst all the ignorance there is at least someone with a valid response to this article.

    • harmonyworld

      Yes, exactly!

    • Towel

      Some people are just taking the opportunity to vent on how they really feel, lol.

      • I get that but it doesn’t have to be that crude, more thought into comments would be more appreciated.

      • douk noukem balls of steel

        like calling anyone attempting to explain to you what actually happened “homophobic”

        talk about “tolerance”

        • Towel

          Read my posts again. Nice try though.

    • Scipio

      They’re not bagging on gays, just ignorant people that seem to not understand what localization is.

    • SerendipityX

      It was the misinformation about the patch in a quirky game nobody ever heard of until now that caused all the misconceptions and controversy. I don’t think anyone is intentionally bagging on gay people, it seems more like a side effect of the public being misinformed and it spreaded like wildfire b/c you know, internet.

      Also welcome to the world of the female gamer.

    • douk noukem balls of steel

      so using false reporting, lies, slanders, libel and insulting pretty much anything nintendo isn’t coercion?

      moral relativism, not even once

    • GH56734

      That may have been the OP’s intent, but the campaign devolved in a very shitty mob lynching as you can see in neogaf. Boycott, misinformation, lies, ad hominem arguments (they must be bigots since in the early nineties they used to..), insults, game must fail, must get cancelled/don’t you dare cancel it you bigots, must have higher rating, fanboyism mixed in, hate tweets to employees, my views MUST be in the game, etc…
      It’s anything BUT an amiable suggestion at this rate.

  • DeepSleeper

    Cool. This whole blow-up was good for two things:
    1. Getting Nintendo to apologize and make good in the sequel,
    2. Seeing how fast the gaming community goes “LOL just a game it’s not even important LOL GAY PEOPLE man WTF is wrong with them, why should what they want matter” when the subject came up.
    Lotta people out there with some sad, sad opinions.

    • ShawnOtakuSomething

      :{ they never win :{

    • Scipio

      Apologize for what? Nintendo was never in the wrong because they never did anything in the first place. Tell me, do you understand how localization works? Do you believe NoA can simply tweek whatever they like when translating a game?

      • DeepSleeper

        Yes. Yes I do. For example, a couple hours ago this very website posted a news story about Akiba’s Strip where they noted that exclusively for NA they were adding in pictures of guys in their underwear, as well as the girls that were already there.
        Every time Nintendo brings a Kirby game over, they make sure to make him all angry and violent.
        They changed the difficulty of Partners In Time all around.
        They made a new game, Voltorb Flip, to replace the slot machines in Platinum and HG/SS.
        There are extra multiplayer maps in Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon.

        I could go on, but… Yes, actually, yes I do think NoA can tweak just about anything they want when translating a game.

        • Zero_Destiny

          It is true that a lot of localizers can tweak their base game (and a lot can’t– size of the company, budget, rights issues, etc. can prevent, all of which won’t be a problem for Nintendo in this situation), but in this particular issue, the game already has a street date, and it’s quite soon.

          All those examples had the advantage of time on their hands, you know, but these complaints sadly came kind of too late to really handle much else. They could of course move the release back, go back to their build and try to change it. But all the money they spent already on this finalized build would be going to waste, and it would probably hurt more than help their profits.

          Not trying to say one decision is right over the other, as taking care of your audience (and for Nintendo) upholding your image is certainly important, but profit is important too, Once again, one’s not necessarily more important than the other, but I imagine this is where they are making their decisions on.

          • DeepSleeper

            Yeah, I’m not gonna be unreasonable here. The original question was “Apologize for what?” and I never answered that. It’s true, Nintendo didn’t -have- to apologize, but they did and I think that shows a willingness to accept that people were upset and that they should take a look at why and change.
            I respect that.

          • Zero_Destiny

            I can certainly echo those sentiments, myself. ^^

        • Audie Bakerson

          X-Seed mentioned that (or at least one new addition they were trying to add but didn’t want to name in case it wasn’t possible) was in the works when they first announced it, not demanded a month before launch (when the game probably already went gold)

          • DeepSleeper

            That’s true. That’s why I’m happy to see if there’s a sequel they’ll think about gay marriage. (I’m still wondering if they’ll bother localizing any sequels, given the hassle this has been for them.)
            Adding new art assets is still a pretty big “just a localization” change though.

          • Audie Bakerson

            No so big when they are (obviously) going to be in an upcoming rerelease in the home country.

            Also: the Shadow Dragon maps were taken from the sequel.

        • GH56734

          You do realize the localizers most of the time have barely the time and ressources to translate the original content fully let alone expand on it?
          Kirby’s angry face was a change by some pixels. In the COVER, not in-game.
          Partners in Time/Minish Cap/Epic Mickey was released first in Europe/US, and it was translated during the late development process leading to them cutting corners.
          Sure, they can localize and develop in the same time, but to be realistic, this NEVER happens nearly as often as you think. Because they aren’t exactly fans of tossing away 40% of the script after translating it when it no longer can be included, like what poor Woosly had to go through during the localization of SoM and CT.
          That Pokémon minigame (their main cash cow) delayed the PAL release and actually was needed because it was prohibited BY LAW.
          Unlike weddings that don’t include same-sex option for the ones not wanting to simply resort to the crossdressing solution, as the Japanese already DID. Name one game that was outlawed because it includes only different-sex marriage.

          Those extra multiplayer maps from FE were grabbed from the sequel during development. Do you HONESTLY expect that to be a GIVEN?

          I tell you what NoA can do: if they see it requiring too much to alter they simply CANCEL the game. Custom Robo, Tetra Trackers (A frigging Zelda game that was left Japan-only despite it being not popular there), Giftpia, Densetsu no Stafy (a kiddie game about a starfish), Kururin (a game about a rotating stick) ….
          the reason was “too Japanese”. if those were “too Japanese” for them to spend effort on their localization, what makes you think adding a substantial mode to a localization worth it for them?

          • DeepSleeper

            Man, I guess NONE of that could ever have possibly happened then. Better just give up on any kind of hope for changes or improvements.

    • douk noukem balls of steel

      it’s good because we also saw that interest groups love to coerce devs into adding stuff that was never planned in the first place

      i bet you feel proud of yourself, attempting to force quotas and jumping on the hatred bandwagon because you didn’t want to educate yourself on what actually happened

      it’s so much easier to just call anyone with an opinion that you don’t remotely like “homophobic”‘

    • Seriously. Can’t say I’m surprised, but I am disappointed. Even disgusted in some cases.

  • Matty

    On the other side, why are people upset about others asking for it to be in?? It’s a game about relationships and so the request is completely relevant. Gay people buy these games too and them asking for it to be in isn’t deteriorating your own experience.

    The person who started the whole “Miiquality” thing never acted upity about it. He never called for a boycott or called Nintendo any names. He just said he wanted them to consider it for the next version of the game. That’s completely reasonable to me.

    • Towel

      I think GLAAD was too antagonistic with their language, making it sound like Nintendo was in on some homophobic agenda. While people were calling them out of it, trying to bring it down a notch, actual homophobes jumped on the opportunity to vent. Think everyone could’ve handled things a bit better, lol.

    • douk noukem balls of steel

      attempting to force dev, to coerce them into adding something that was never planned in the first place is what is not welcomed

    • Symbol de Au

      They’re upset because a lot of people went all “nintendo hates gays” over their first response for why they’re not included which goaded them to apologize when many felt they didn’t have to. Even if the first guy wasn’t uppity about it a whole lot of others were.

      • GH56734

        The campaign OP proposal was REALLY different from what all the other ones wanted and said and did.

    • GH56734

      Or the fact that a localization isn’t expected to add something as massive as a given?
      That it reinforces the “too Japanese for international audiences” stereotype?
      That it’s a niche game, and far more established IPs like Harvest Moon actually avoided the issue as being too risky for their audience brand attachment (hint: it’s a business, about lower ratings and higher sales)?
      That people would like to play a work as originally intended and those pressure groups should come up with something they created instead of asking people to force it in in their work for them AND asking for it in a very nasty and asinine way?

      Example: Anita Sarkeesian on the sexism issue.
      Videos asking to censor “sexualized” representations and ditching and reworking storylines the way SHE deems acceptable and adding stuff people didn’t include but SHE wants to include = Self entitlement
      Videos about her proof-of-concept storyline incorporation her ideals = Good, Positive contribution.

      • Matty

        To be fare the guy behind “miiquality” wasn’t asking them to change this version, only asking that they consider it for future installments.

        I’d try not to relate this issue to feminism because this isn’t at all the same thing, but I realize that in the “post-Sarkeesian” era we have to divide ourselves on two opposite spectrum: You’re either basically a member of Stormfront or a SJW loon. (and sadly people have ran to both sides of the spectrum to try to spite each other.)

        This game is a special circumstance where you deal with relationships and virtual versions of yourself and your friends. It’s not rewriting any story or sullying any experience to include gay relationships. And it’s naive to assume that -alot- isn’t being changed in the localization process. Where you displeased when Nintendo changed the genders of certain effeminate male Animal Crossing characters to avoid controversy? Those who say this is their reason they are offended… I wonder about that.

  • Scipio

    I still think Nintendo made the right decision by stating they weren’t trying to send a message, which is true, afterall this is just a video game. Keep your politics out of them, I always say.

    This is almost a ludicrous as those people that seem to not enjoy Pokemon simply because they can’t intrebreed with the same gender-pokemon.

    • Towel

      I’d say this would be more akin to having a female Pokemon trainer. It’s not necessary for the experience but it’s a welcoming option that acknowledges their audience.

      • Scipio

        Right, however, I see this more as having an issue with the original Pokemon games that didn’t have a female trainer.
        A fact that Game Freak consciously chose to include in later entries of their games.

        • Towel

          No, that would be getting upset about Tomodachi Collection. They’re talking about present titles as opposed to the past.

          • Hector Velar

            what if you could breed two male pokemon but the offspring will be DLC…?

          • Towel

            Then I’d be curious what two females would produce. Mircotransactions? *shudders*

          • GH56734

            Hermaphrodite Pokémon?
            … stop giving them ideas :(
            (it’s actually controversy-worthy, wouldn’t be surprising)

          • Aren’t there already quite a few Pokemon along all kinds of gender fluidity?

          • GH56734

            You never know when someone will come up with the idea of two female Pokémon … breeding.

          • I don’t know, there’s already some interesting stuff going on there, even with ditto alone. x’D

      • Ryker

        I’m sure the females love that female trainers only exist to throw them a bone, and that it hasn’t actually been a valid component of the development process for generations of Pokemon games.

    • Ryker

      Thats more of a convenience issue that deals with game mechanics, than hard coded beliefs that they are fighting for. It’s not the same thing at all.

  • Bunzi

    I love how people are taking Nintendo responding in the positive to the inclusion of gay couples with vitriol, homophobia, and hate. They’ve said it right there – they have no problem with including gay couplings – they see it as a good thing to be inclusive. If you guys really aren’t homophobic, why can’t all of you?

    • I always thought having a phobia meant to having a fear of something. Now its if you don’t support such and such group you’re homophobic, sexist or racist.

      • harmonyworld

        yeah, basically~

      • Bunzi

        Fear comes in all forms. Violently screaming for a group to shut up every time they get upset about something is a variety of fear.

        • Who exactly is screaming for them to “shutup” people are over exaggerating.

          • There are definitely some people on the internet telling homosexual and supporters that they need to shut up [nevermind (implied) tone and other language].

          • Just like people trying to slander Nintendo as if they’re homophobic, right? This is the Internet. I’ve heard just as many gays insulting people for not supporting them.

          • How many of those people actually say they’re gay? Or do you assume because they’re upset?

            And yes, I mentioned that elsewhere.

          • The people in the comment section that say “I’m gay.” It makes no sense for me to assume anyone is gay simply from being upset.

    • douk noukem balls of steel

      the problem is when you want to force developers to include that stuff in every game possible

      who will be the next victim?

      it’s funny how barely none of the whiners will even buy the game

  • Bakuryukun

    Wow, people here have really shitty attitudes about this, I’m really disappointed.

    • Symbol de Au

      Aww.

    • Ryker

      True that, it speaks to a lack of interaction with people of different lifestyles, and in many cases stems from pure ignorance.

  • How much of life should be reflected in a game like Tomodachi Life?

  • I didn’t even know you could get married in this game. I saw the title and I just thought it was all about making friends. I have fully read up on it now and I will be buying it (^.^ )/

  • Ah, da powa of political correctness!

    • Altin

      More like the Power of Damage Control.

      • No it’s the pc police. Nintendo has no reason to apologize for something they didnt do wrong.

        • Altin

          And that’s what I meant – they went from Alpha to Beta.

        • Altin

          Are you trying to equate pc police with social justice whiteknights?

          But yes, reminds me of that one RPS.com Interview with Blizzard.

          • GH56734

            Well, they refer to themselves in that neogaf thread as the pc police
            “releasing a game outside Japan without *adding* stuff to account for what’s politically correct is un-for-gi-vable!!!”

          • Altin

            Hah, the more you know. I have my own definitions for them, but I think that the mods might not agree with these definitions ^^

          • Yes that’s what I mean.

  • Mika Moreno

    I’m kinda bummed that Same-sex marriage wasn’t included in Tomodachi Life, but it still looks like a fun game. I’m going to buy it, but i believe Nintendo should make a life sim a bit more life like, by acknowledging that some people are different. I appreciate the apology though ^^

    • Does that mean religion should be included too?

      • GH56734

        And then there’s the people who want to ban marriage from the western versions altogether, to be “politically-correct”.
        next: banning meat from videogames to appease vegetarians.
        banning friday, saturday and sunday from videogames to appease some religions
        and so on

      • Spirit Macardi

        It’s hard to illustrate a concept held within someone’s mind. Plus being religious or not is something ultimately up to the individual, it isn’t something that you simply are by birth.

  • SirRichard

    Really, this should’ve been the response they came out with in the first place, their initial response only aggravated more people. It’s good to see them pledging themselves to this, though whether NOJ actually plays along next time is the thing, isn’t it?

    • Scipio

      How exactly was is aggravating? They did have a point, they weren’t trying to drive a message, or have a stance on a political topic. They simply want to sell a game. To me, it’s the people that misunderstood that message that should learn a thing about companies in the first place.

      • harmonyworld

        but it’s not a political topic, it’s a persons life choice~
        It’s not something difficult or even that big a deal, it’s just a thing that they probably should’ve thought about~

        • Scipio

          Whether you like it or not, topic such as these are political. I personally think that a person’s choice in sexual attraction shouldn’t be a concern to nobody but their partner, but many others don’t and chose to make it their personal issue.

      • SirRichard

        I personally didn’t find it aggravating, no need to get all defensive at me. But others did, was my point, they should’ve just gone for a response like this to defuse the situation immediately.

        • Scipio

          I’m not being defensive, I’m simply stating that their initial response was clear as crystal and that they shouldn’t apologize for doing absolutely nothing.

  • 3PointDecoupage

    What I don’t get is why do people care all of a sudden that this specific have same sex options when pretty much no other games do. Harvest Moon has had like 20 games in the series, games where marriage is a central role in the game play, and they never bothered with same sex.

    • Scipio

      That would be because news site like to garner views by publishing click-bait and then other sites, see that and decide to follow along.

      It’s a reoccurring theme around journalist circles.

    • Audie Bakerson

      They did in one game. Nast(s)ume actually did remove it in the English and for some reason reason there wasn’t some yellow journalists raving about how they’ll go “down on the wrong side of history” or how they hate gays or whatever when THAT was actually deserving of such outrage (as it was actually in the game but removed).

  • Jirin

    I don’t see this as some intentional snub to gay people, I see it as more something that didn’t occur to them because they were thinking based on Japanese culture. You can’t have homosexual romances in Persona either and nobody accuses them of homophobia, it’s just not how they designed the game.

    If they make another similar game and they want to increase their sales in the West, they’ll include gay relationships next time.

    • Detrimont

      you could have a gay relationship in persona 2

    • harmonyworld

      I WANTED TO MARRY KANJIIII!!
      WHY WON’T YOU LOVE ME YOSUKE!!!

      • Tylor Boreas Makimoto

        KANJI IS MINE, NO ONE ELSE MAY HAVE HIM!

        • Son of a Smooosh

          YOU WANNA FITE BRO? HANDS OFF.

    • Jero

      Yeah but I’m pretty sure they’re going to say something if Persona 5 doesn’t have at least one option to same sex romance. I think this whole thing is something that wouldn’t have happened 2 or 3 years ago.

  • Fub Frank

    I am gay and do not think Nintendo hates Gay People because they didn’t include the feature in the game, but at the same time I guess I don’t see “Why not?” at this point.

    To be honest I think this gets blown out of proportion by both sides, I think there are people who will take this opportunity to jump up and scream some kind of prejudice while at the same time some will jump up only to try to justify their prejudices. Not only to Gay people, but other Ethnic groups and races.

    For me, it would be nice to see more inclusion in games like this. And I think that is what any sensible Gay gamer would want as well, generally speaking.

    • SerendipityX

      I’m still holding out on hope for skin tone choice in the next Animal Crossing, I sent Nintendo some polite feedback about that.

      • TiamatNM

        dude I know what you meant to say but….forskin…lol

        • SerendipityX

          lol bad typo on my part :x

          • I saw that, actually, but I decided to stand by and watch what would unfold. #NotEvil

          • DeepSleeper

            Oh wow this made me laugh.

        • Son of a Smooosh

          Forskin tone choice to be exact… a whole new level of customization!

      • Same here. Having to try to tan and keep it is ridic.

      • Son of a Smooosh

        I agree. Even Pokémon has introduced skin colours, so I’m positive they will be including them in the next installment… or at least I hope so, it’d be about time. :P

        • Audie Bakerson

          I’m not so positive on that one though. XY is in France and ORAS is on the very mono-ethnic Kyushu, where you’ll be hard pressed to find any non-Japanese who aren’t tourists or part of the American naval base.

          Of course, we know nothing about ORAS yet beyond the names, so who knows. How they handle it will be interesting.

          • Son of a Smooosh

            I might be having a brainfart, but what exactly is ORAS?

          • Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire~.

          • Son of a Smooosh

            Ooh I see, thanks.

          • Yup! ^u^
            (Wish I had a Pokemon kaomoji. vnv)

          • Son of a Smooosh

            *googles Kaomoji*

            Aaah, that explains a lot. :P

          • Audie Bakerson

            Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire.

          • Son of a Smooosh

            I have to apologize then, I was talking about the next generation of the mainline series, I’d actually be surprised to see any level of customization in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire.

            But I like being surprised, so go to work ninty! :d

          • Bunzi

            You’d be hard pressed to find Japanese people in half the crazy places they show up in anime. Don’t see why other random ethnic groups wouldn’t work on the same Try-not-to-think-about-it-too-much principal.

      • douk noukem balls of steel

        see, you don’t have to use libel, coercion or insult anyone to ask for a feature
        send them emails, messages on facebooks, but don’t misrepresent the facts or outright lie to try and get your end goal met

        i guess politics will trump logic, integrity, honesty and rationality, always

    • Jero

      Well there was a glitch in the original game that actually let same sex marriage, it was something like changing your mii from female to male at some point of the game so then it appeared the marriage was between two guys. Nintendo did patch that, though it seemed the issue was related to some break game bug.

      Either way, i don’t really care about same sex marriage on a Nintendo title. Also Mii’s are pretty genderless except for the skirt of the females. I changed my mii to a female one and no one noticed until I told them.

      • Guest

        That wasn’t a glitch and it was never patched. You still can do that.

        The game breaking bug was other unrelated stuff going on concurrently relating to legacy data from the DS version. The latter was patched.

  • douk noukem balls of steel

    and guess what: none of those who whined will even buy the game

  • Pffft. This got a ridiculous amount of comments so fast. I was wondering when this article would pop up too.

    Admittedly, I’m really disappointed with Ninty, especially since they’d been so progressive lately. I was only kind of considering the game anyway, but with this, I think I’ll probably just pass. vnv

    I do hope they’ll be able to include the option in future titles in all regions! Japan and the NA are doing going forward when it comes to sexuality in politics, and just lifestyle period.

    edit : Some of the ignorance occuring here is becoming painful though. I almost wonder if it was best this article never came to be. @[email protected]

    • douk noukem balls of steel

      so it’s okay to insult, lie, use libel against someone, as long as the end goal is met?

      misrepresenting facts? outright telling lies? using click bait titles?

      hah, i guess with you “progressives”, the end justify the means.

      • Son of a Smooosh

        I kind of have to agree with what you’re trying to say, or at least what I think your point is.
        I’m all for equal rights, but it’s not like everyone was ganging up against the pro-same sex group, that would be a gross exaggaration. Most of the hate is directed at the group of people who used hatespeech against Nintendo to bring their point across.

        Both sites really are at fault and should consider trying to sound less… generalizing? Sorry, my vocabulary is lacking a better word.

      • What are you even talking about? x’D

        I see you don’t like progress or progressive people. I am going to ignore you here on after this, because you said plenty right there.

        • Son of a Smooosh

          He is talking about the fact that people were accusing Nintendo of being homophobic to the point of boycotting the company, spreading false information especially concerning the “removal” of same-sex relationships and websites making completely one-sided articles all in the name of “equal rights”, but actually just being clickbaits to get some cash, just to name a few situations.

          I’m not him, but I’m pretty sure he was not trying to go against progess. It’s about the way that this progress is achieved, and trust me, it didn’t look pretty.
          I’m pretty sure a lot of these people werent even LGBT or anything like that.

          • I know, but his wording felt a bit loaded, and I could see where it would devolve. And that is the sad part, a lot of those people getting the most upset probably weren’t even LGBTQ or even real supporters. But that’s how it goes.

            It is also telling that some people will only see the vitriol and not look at the broader picture.

    • XiaomuArisu

      I think that the reactions are to extreme.
      I uderstand that people are upset that there arent same-sex-realationships in this games, but saying Nintendo is Anti-gay because of that?
      Its not the first game without same-sex-realationships. Harvest Moon, Rune Factory,etc. So this sudden outburst is qzite ridicoulus.
      Im notsaying homosexuel realationships are wrong, but these reactions are.

      • Even though I haven’t seen those reactions yet myself, I am sure they’re out there. Sadly, there will always be all types, including those extremists (on all sides).

        However, I do think a lot more people are being rational about this one on the losing side (those that don’t get to enjoy same-sex relationships) and it’s depressing how much push-back there is against it from people unaffected.

        Sadly, HM did have its own version of same-sex relationships and marriage, it just got edited out here; but people did express how upset they were about it.

        • XiaomuArisu

          Right I remember…they called it “best friends” or something like tjat in Harvest Moon if I remember correctly. Well if something gets taken out it sucks but in this case its more like “we never thought of that” They realized they made a mistake, only thing we can do is wait and see if they actually use this 2nd chance. We shouldnt forget that Nintendo does takes right steps. A example would be pokemon. First games we only could play as a white male, now its possible to play as a girl and we can choose our skin color. Which is good

          • Yep~!

            That’s true though. vov

            I love Ninty and trust them, so I’m not too upset, and I think a lot of others feel the same.

          • XiaomuArisu

            Wow our convo is quite nice xD
            well lets hope it will get better~

          • It is, haha. I was thinking that too.
            It’s really a shame more people couldn’t be this casual and nice.

            Indeed~. ^u^

          • XiaomuArisu

            I try too~ Anyway i need some sleep. Good luck for the rest of the day and see ya later!

          • Thanks, and have a good rest~!

    • I wondered when you’ll drop in here since I value your opinion. Well they issued an official statement on their website concerning potential future sequels, promising to make the game fun for everyone, since it’s too late to change the game’s design now. Their previous statement was messy but they turned things around. You can say I’m satisfied for now.

      • Oh, thank you much!

        That is definitely a plus. I have faith in them~. This situation just seemed so sad after all the cool stuff they included in Animal Crossing (and I feel, Style Savvy as well to a degree). But I am sure they’ll keep their word. ^u^

        Also, at least Nintendo handles their situations maturely. I am always thankful for that.

      • Symbol de Au

        Isn’t that statement what the article was about?

    • Symbol de Au

      Did you read the article? I might be misreading but this:

      “Oh, thank you much!

      That is definitely a plus. I have faith in them~. This situation just seemed so sad after all the cool stuff they included in Animal Crossing (and I feel, Style Savvy as well to a degree). But I am sure they’ll keep their word. ^u^

      Also, at least Nintendo handles their situations maturely. I am always thankful for that.”

      ^Makes it seem like you didn’t know what the article was about.

  • Ace
  • DarkLight

    You know what,If I say anything aganist gays I gonna get flammed but I’m gonna say it anyway;why would you apologize nintendo,you never did anything wrong in the first place,in fact you did right thing by not allowing it in the first place.

    • Be careful where you tread. Most of us don’t want this article to become a ground to discuss political views on same-sex marriage.

      • DarkLight

        Just saying,(don’t think I’m starting an arguement here or anything,I’m just talking in general)but its okay for other people to say they support same-sex marriages right?So why should it be bad, If express my disagreement?

        • All I can think of at the moment is “There’s a time and place for everything. But not now”.

        • Symbol de Au

          Because people are much more likely to flame you and call you hateful/ignorant for that post. In fact someone already did.

          • DarkLight

            Well then I’ll just have to deal with it.

    • You should be allowed to speak your opinion, this is a public forum. Others should respect that, too.

    • I respect your freedom of speech but you could’ve phrased that better.
      Also I highly disagree with your opinion and think that people should be allowed to live however they want. be it in games or real life.

      • DarkLight

        Yeah,people should be able to live how they want but some rules should still apply to that.That said,that was a sort-of rant by me (I keep seeing various things about why games need gay characters etc. everynow and then) and I’m kind of blunt when saying things so I don’t know how I would’ve phrased that better but anyway I digress.

    • Ryker

      People are still responsible for the things they say, as someone else can exercise their freedom of speech to criticize you. I’m not however, you have a right to your opinion. I just have to wonder why you feel the way you do, as if the inclusiveness is somehow harmful in some manner.

      • DarkLight

        Having the option gay relationships in a game I play is wrong to me and thus offends me.

  • disc loud Dia x

    I love how there are so many that miss the whole argument. Oh apparently Nintendo hates gays…. or I don’t see black people in anime, omg japanese people hate black people. In Anime it’s just a chunk of the world, where as in something like Tomodachi Life, this is a life simulator…. two different things

    This game simulates life, can I make a black mii? Yasssss can I make an asian mii? yasssssss….

    The game is meant to represent “life”, but by doing this they have created a “life” where gays don’t exist. It’s offensive.

    • British_Otaku

      Implying that not representing a group is equal to directly offending or ignoring that said group.

      • harmonyworld

        by not representing, it is literally ignoring it

        • British_Otaku

          So assuming that there isn’t a white playable character in The Walking Dead or inversely a black playable character in numerous games… That is ignoring those groups?

          I’m trying to look at whether not including a group is a problem directly…

          • disc loud Dia x

            Is The Walking Dead trying to simulate “life” in the say way that Tomodachi Life is? Hahahaha, no, try again x

          • Elliott Moon

            ye because in life you can launch your face into outta space

          • harmonyworld

            well, I dunno about you, but I can :P

          • Elliott Moon

            teach me

          • Son of a Smooosh

            I can only go by the trailer, but last time I checked, the game was as unrealistic as it gets. :V

            I was honestly pretty surprised that you can marry in this game at all.

            But I do get your point though.

          • disc loud Dia x

            Isn’t it marketed as a life simulator though? You can do this with your Mii! yasssssss

          • British_Otaku

            A fair response.

            I can’t say The Walking Dead is simulating “life” in the same way, but numerous games including this aren’t reflecting or simulating tons of aspects in life.

            This is still far from being as tied to life and reality as The Sims or numerous other life sims.

          • disc loud Dia x

            That’s the thing though. In The world of The Walking Dead, it’s possible that there is a gay character somewhere within that world.

            Where as, the same can not be said about Tomodachi Life because of the way the game is.

          • British_Otaku

            Seems like semantics to me… I don’t see why you wouldn’t consider any game which doesn’t have a gay (playable) character is the same and your only case against this game specifically is based on a genre specification…

            Who is to say that any game in this genre HAS to have the feature unless they mean ill will on gay people?

          • But this is also incorrect… who’s to say that people who participate same-sex relationships ARE not playing this?

            With your logic, because there is no option to marry the same sex, this suddenly means there are no gays/lesbians. That’s wrong.

            Way back when during the times where people would be killed for their sexual orientation (and still around in some places), that does not mean there were no gays around.

            In this game, YOU represent yourself. It might be wrong to people that their orientation is not represented, but that does not mean you can’t declare it or portray this in other ways.

          • disc loud Dia x

            Are you saying that Mii are not forced to be straight in this game? /Yes or no?

          • British_Otaku

            I’m going to make a shallow wide guess here… However, I assume you can play the game at length without getting into even one straight relationship.

          • Then again, other Miis come to you with their relationship problems, and it does suck to be the one gay friend in a group where all your straight friends are being very open about their relationships. It’s very in one’s face.

          • Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m saying. Forcing straight marriage would have to be something like not getting through to a certain town unless you’re married or something like that.

            But in this game, I’m pretty damn sure you can be single. They aren’t shoving straight marriage down your throat.

          • harmonyworld

            But this isn’t about race, it’s about having the choice to have the ability to couple with the gender of your choosing.
            simple as that~

          • British_Otaku

            True, I am changing the topic in a sense (not that I see the difference – it is an topical unrelated thing distinguishing people which isn’t always going to be reflected strongly in media)…

            Assuming I just focus on being allowed to couple with any gender of my choosing. The concept still isn’t always practical to reflect (it doubles the options in many cases and needs a sequel in this case – aside from Mass Effect even failing to do it well consistently) and not having the feature doesn’t mean that the game has an issue.

            I suppose I’m not going to get far arguing about this as nearly 50 new posts are above and below.

        • That doesn’t make it anti-gay, however. If anything, that makes it neutral.

          • disc loud Dia x

            That’s where you are mistaken. The game more or less denies the existence of gays x try again x

          • British_Otaku

            So what does it mean to “deny the existence of gays”?

            Is it more offensive that a poorly executed presence of them? Or a problem when most games don’t allow you to pick every feasible, politically correct option possible…

          • SerendipityX

            This is a tricky question b/c generally everyone would prefer to be included in everything, so as long it exists in some form. The minority, LGBQT, female character can be a really bad representation but its not like we expect perfection, but we do expect you to get better over time. Hope this makes sense.

          • British_Otaku

            Yep, I follow every part of that.
            I’m just going to expect media to not reflect everything and give praise when it is done.

            The less time we spend claiming that X game/company hates this community based on not being included (not even deliberate design – in my opinion strange characterisation isn’t an immediate issue, game design on the other hand could be)… The better. Recommendations to include more for some game series… Sure.

          • Even though the outfits in Code of Princess irritate me, it was nice having a majority female cast (that was handled well in general too). But, devs won’t realize but more importantly learn and understand these issues bother us if we don’t say anything or just excuse it.

            Could some people speak more maturely? Hehe, no doubt about that, but I suppose it also says how serious they are about for the people that actually, genuinely care.

          • Let’s say this game does not let you have children.

            Would they mean to say they hate kids and deny their existence?

          • I think the difference is; children are not an option period so they’re here nor there. But when you include a feature, but some players/avatars are not included, that is different.

          • British_Otaku

            Ignorance by nature is being neutral in many cases. I can’t disagree that much.

    • How very easily you got to the point and made it more simple. And yet, I am sure people will still have the point soar far over their heads into orbit.

      • disc loud Dia x

        thanks x

    • Impressionnant

      Why does it matter if it’s offensive?

    • Towel

      I think offensive is a bit strong. Inconsiderate is what I’d go with.

    • SerendipityX

      It was an oversight on their part but “journalism” twisted it something else based on a bunch of misinformation.

      • disc loud Dia x

        its more straight gamers being pressed than anything.

    • Raymond

      So what about other games?
      Do you think they should “Always” be included in them?

      • disc loud Dia x

        See my comment below, or I will copy and paste it x

        “That’s the thing though. In The world of The Walking Dead, it’s
        possible that there is a gay character somewhere within that world.

        Where as, the same can not be said about Tomodachi Life because of the way the game is.”

      • disc loud Dia x

        The argument revolves around the representation of life.

        No where have I said GAYS SHOULD BE IN ALL GAMES. Please try again x

        • Then shouldn’t disabled people be represented in the game too?

          • harmonyworld

            Yup!
            Exactly, they should be! :3

          • Actually, they’re also a group that deserves a lot more representation too, so yes.

          • I remember some of the old Wuxia series from my childhood. Yang Guo, the main male lead of The Return of the Condor Heroes, lost his right arm around halfway through the story, but mastered using a heavy sword from a giant bird and with his remaining arm. And he halted a Mongol invasion afterwards. Wuxia media is no stranger to “disabled” martial artists, who usually turn out to be more proficient than non-disabled ones.

          • I notice that too, and I think that’s so cool~.

          • Deserves? They could make their own game representing who ever they want.

          • Lol, so from now on, why don’t you also just make your own games with whatever you want?

            Oh wait, that’s a silly argument to make, isn’t it? Whoopsie~!

          • Hey now. I can’t speak for others, but that sounds like a mighty attractive prospect to me! I can tailor a game to my own preferences and no personal grievances. It’ll be like being an author – but for video games. Or an indie dev, I suppose.

          • It would be awesome! I have some ideas myself! But having the money, time, etc is certainly the challenge, right? >u<

          • Damn you, reality… Damn you…

          • How is it a silly argument? I’m not up in arm if there’s no black characters in a game. If I was I have an option to make a game where there are.

          • Zero_Destiny

            It’s certainly an argument to be had …. sure. An artist can make any character they choose and represent any kind of peoples they like, we don’t necessarily have the right to force them to change their artistic vision.

            But such an answer runs the risk of excluding a lot of people. The sad truth is, the “Do it yourself” is not a very suitable answer. Sure, there are people in the industry who may be able to get the representation for their peoples but there aren’t too many, and the longer the lack of representation the harder it may be for some.

            It’s not a simple answer, really none of this is, I think we would all like simple answers, but here we are with a dilemma like this.

          • Zing, that’s it! end of discussion!

          • disc loud Dia x

            I’m about to leave for work, but disabled people are able to be represented in the game TO AN EXTENT. The same can not be said about homosexuals, if they are forced into having relationships that they wouldn’;t usually, which can’t be said about forcing a person who is usually wheelchair bound to walking in the game.

        • Raymond

          see what i mean is, when gays take it offensive to something that was never in the game to begin with. Why should they now be included in it now?

          • disc loud Dia x

            Your comment is dripping in so much homophobia it’s not funny.

          • Raymond

            No i don’t hate gays at all. Im just wondering.

            i was just saying some comments that said it was a glitch or bug or something.

          • Zero_Destiny

            Alright @disc loud Dia x let’s calm it down, please. You are making some good points, please don’t hurt your message with that kind of an attitude. If we can’t discuss maturely and without name calling, then I will have to clean this up. Please, I don’t want to have to do this. Be respectful, even under these circumstances.

          • disc loud Dia x

            I’m sorry, I read the comment wrong. I thought he was saying that gays havent been in video games before so why now? Rather than gays weren’t in Tomodachi Life before etc etc

          • disc loud Dia x

            Didn;t they make the same argument about black people on TV after the refirmation?

  • Why people can’t just go play Sims ?

    • GH56734

      They need clickbait for that ad revenue, you know.

  • Elliott Moon

    People need to stop getting caught up on this bullshit, different games are made for different audiences simple as and trying to push your values on artistic creators that’s plain wrong, its like me saying why can’t i play as a guy in tomb raider so what if my gender,sexual orientation or race isn’t included in the game heck there’s allot of games that do, some even have a character creator’s that let you pic all these variables, lets not forget the gay and lesbian community is a very small one, all these people are bitching for the game relationships to be reworked (costing time and money) to appease such a small audience, its like me going i want x,y,z in call of duty because i don’t like call of duty. No i don’t do that i don’t buy the game because its not for me, vote with your wallets people heck even hold out and get the second game that will included the feature you like if your sexual orientation in a fictional video game is so more important to you enjoying the wide variety of different elements it looks like this game offers. its not like Nintendo are saying go beat up gay people, there are real life inequality that still happen all around the world and people are getting caught up on what one team of developers decide to make in a fiction peace of art get some fucking perceptive people.

    • I-e-on

      “the gay and lesbian community is a very small one”
      that’s funny.

      • Elliott Moon

        ye because >5% of the population is large

        • Gays/Lesbians/Bisexuals/Allies/Transexuals is not a minority

          • Yes, they are.

          • Elliott Moon

            if there arn’t a minority then why the fuck is the population growing at an alarming rate

          • The existence of Viagra for closeted gays and the very large presence of Bis (scientific studies)? jokin jokin

          • Elliott Moon

            you get my point though, don’t always expect to be catered to and if you like games that focus on gay or lesbian relationships vote with your wallet don’t tell artist people what they should and shouldn’t do that limits artistic expression

          • I don’t expect to always be catered to. We’re talking about a virtual reality game, which has the word “reality” in it. But the dangerous term is “virtual” where they’re omitting a large proportion of people, and implicitly telling them you don’t belong in our reality. “Virtual” can also be seen as “ideal”, hence the non existence of gays is not ideal in our world. Food for thought.

          • Elliott Moon

            at worse there saying you don’t belong in this thing we made that you don’t have to buy or ya know we didn’t want to get caught up in gender politics and didnt realise that your sexual orentaion in a fictional game was way way way more important that implementing a bunch of feature we though where fun

        • Anewme…Again

          That’s a damn lot, that’s over 300 millions peoples That’s more peoples than a lot of countries have in the world.

          • Elliott Moon

            and there are 7 billion people on the planet and most games are lucky to sell a million you do the math

        • Are you for real? Even then, is that number going by open people only?

          • Elliott Moon

            how else are we suppose to measure it then

          • Well, consider: If someone said they were going to do a poll/survey to see how much of the population is gay, but knowing that people harass, bully and even murder others for being gay, would you potentially expose yourself in that? It wouldn’t be a fair estimate ever.

          • idrawrobots

            Yeah because that is REAL prevalent in the US.

          • I’m glad you’re keeping up with the news.

          • Elliott Moon

            as i stated to to the other person its defiantly very small group (an outspoken one if this recent Nintendo debate has proven anything) otherwise we would see a population influx and not a boom. also would it really be that hard for a large group of the population to vote anonymously much like elections heck we even have the internet now anonymity is very easy to come by. there’s lest gay,lesbian ect people than you think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientation this is the best data we really have at the moment but as you can see its way way less that %5 even in the progressive western world

          • Gay people have children too; and I don’t just mean adopting~.

          • Elliott Moon

            true true but thats expensive and very very infrequent just like trying to add features to appease every one because you pleasing no one some games are for you some are no
            t, we don’t live in a prefect utopia where everyone gets everything they want in all honest im kinda glad we don’t it allows use to have different views and tastes and sexual orientations

          • Even though I would love for us to all be represented and treated equally, it’s cool to see people band together and champion for things.

            As someone who’s fairly marginalized, I definitely want just straight-up equality for all in everything, but I can be patient~. I just wish things progressed healthier and better. There is so much gross, scary hate out there. ;n;

          • Elliott Moon

            you are equal, but there will always be hate to certain people or groups from certain individuals (as i said before there will never be a utopia and that’s kinda a good thing), there are laws that protect people from being discriminated against but champion against what one person makes a choice in a game isn’t the right thing to do and in all honesty your kinda discriminating in what they believe in or choose to put in a game that hurts artistic values and creativity (its like telling them pants on the statue of David), if you don’t like there work don’t buy it

          • Heh, thanks. I know as humans I’m equal, but as far as my place in society, there’s a long ways to go. I probably won’t see things get there 100% in my lifetime, but I do hope my child will~.

            That is true, there will always be hate; I can understand and live with that. The laws also have a way to go, but we have people that try!

            Speaking up for equality and rights is important though. A lot of people that wanted gay marriage in the game had fair, intelligent voices and Nintendo understands how important that is now, and there’s nothing wrong with that~.

            But frankly, I think a lot of people here forget that Nintendo is used to hate (and some haters are probably using this to their advantage), and they know when people genuinely care, when to listen and how to shovel through crap to reach what’s important. (It’s part of why I love them so much. ♥)

          • idrawrobots

            Didn’t you know, you can get pregnant in the butt now.

          • =A=

            Was the logic that hard? Or are you trying to act?

            Also, since when do women get pregnant through the butt?? When did evolution fail us!?

    • So if a game doesn’t offer in its character customization panel the option to make a character black, we can just shove it under the carpet and say “oh well we didn’t have black people in mind”? The whole point of Gaymers is why should gay relations be considered complicated/game changers/not worthy enough to simply be included in a social game. Don’t tell me Nintendo is marketing the game to a specific market when it’s losing market share by the day. Plus “artistic choices” is not the suitable term to be used as we aren’t talking about graphics, narration style, or sound effects.

      • Elliott Moon

        so your telling me theres no artistic choice in wanting to make your character white/black/hispnic ect and do you know how expensive it is to make a game simply by just making a female character on top of a male you double the work load in voice acting alone, in an attempt to please everyone you please no one some games arnt for you like call of duty isn’t for me dont expect to be catered to all the time and support the games that do cater to you if you value your sexual preference over a vast array of diffident interesting or uninteresting elements

        • Artistic choices are made when the author specifically chooses ONE character and projects all his story on him. Here it’s different coz they’re telling you YOU’RE the author of your own adventure BUT within a certain limit. And that’s the problem. You can argue by telling me they can’t cater to everyone. So why don’t they market it that way? What’s keeping them from labeling cartridges “for big ol’ heteros only” “for white people exclusively”. But they’re reaping profits from everyone making a purchase and getting away with it. Can you blame me for calling them out?

          • Elliott Moon

            artistic choice encumbers all aspects even if its a choose your own adventure otherwise there would be way way too many elements to fit into one game or one project, and by saying for heterosexuals only that’s being discriminatory and saying a gay person cant play this game where you get to play as a straight person and live out that element of the game

      • British_Otaku

        Fire Emblem Awakening didn’t allow us to create a playable black character even if it had some black characters in the story… >_>

        I’m not that interested in commenting on that case as character creation options wasn’t one of the greatest weaknesses and I didn’t appreciate Attack on Titan’s options including a ton of ridiculous tones… >_>

        • I wasn’t aware of that since I’m not really into FE. That sucks and it needs more exposure. How come nobody talked about it?

          • I think some of us here mentioned it and were disappointed, but I don’t ever expect things like this to get real articles on other sites. vuv;

          • British_Otaku

            No real idea, man…

            … While I dislike making claims like this, as a black person, I didn’t feel strongly about the missing option still even if some other person must have…

            I guess it is just like how Senran Kagura passes without an issue and Dragon’s Crown gets in so much trouble. :P

          • Revorse

            I feel the same. My video game character having the same skin color as me is hardly important.

    • Towel

      I don’t see why you’re so opposed to people wanting an option. Sure, they went about it the wrong way but if Nintendo says they would be down next time, why not just leave it at that?

    • Elliott Moon

      off to bed ladys and gentlemen thanks for the interesting discussion will try and reply back to some comments tomorrow

  • idrawrobots

    I am still waiting for a Mii option for my color hair.

    • revenent hell

      Me to and mine is just red. Not orange, not brown but red.
      The “red” on my Mii looks shockingly the same as brown.

  • Ixbran

    regardless of the whining, moaning and complaining of everyone, I am glad that Nintendo was willing to listen to consumer feedback and are willing to input this feature into the next game. At least they are willing to take what they say into consideration and put it into effect in the next game.

    also dat picture is uber cute <3

  • CleruTesh

    The problem here is that this is such a polarizing issue. Had the game included same-sex relationships, it would be getting all kinds of screaming boycotts from angry parents and churches on the right. If you don’t think that can happen nowadays, try living in Kansas some time. The only upside is they might sell a few extra copies to people who buy them for the sole purpose of burning them. I am in no way condoning this mentality (in fact, I just finished watching Sakura Trick, and have been thinking there needs to be, like, 10x more yuri anime) but it is a sad fact that a large number of people with such a mentality exist. I honestly believe that Nintendo was in no way attempting to make a social statement. If anything, they were probably trying their best to avoid doing so. It was something of a gamble as to which side would get more pissed.

    • idrawrobots

      Would it?

      • British_Otaku

        Agreed. I don’t think they would have lost anything by having the feature even if I don’t mind this individual game missing out on the feature.

    • There might be an uproar now, but on the long run it will dissipate and normalize. I’m sure men back in the day were very much against women voting and made it pretty clear.

    • Ryker

      Like how it harmed the sims right? No, it was almost unanimously praised.

  • Ganali Castillo

    People its a game made by a company in Japan where Gay Marriage is still no accepted. DEAL WITH IT. It’s a freaking game !

    • That is just unacceptable. I think the people throwing Japan’s culture into the mix need to stop now. You all know you don’t honestly keep up with what’s going on as far as the politics and everyday life when it comes to the LGBTQ community there (or here; or Japan in general).

    • British_Otaku

      There are games and media made in Japan with gay relationships, regardless of their own laws… This could be one of them…

    • Towel

      Exactly, it’s freaking game. You shouldn’t mind them having gay marriage.

      • idrawrobots

        Really either way makes no difference to me.

        • Towel

          Same. I just don’t like it when people try to stop others from having options.

          • idrawrobots

            I got mad about this because so many were yelling about how Nintendo hates gays. I care about Nintendo and it really bothers me to see people libeling a company full of people I care about.

          • Towel

            I feel you. I think all of this could’ve been avoided or at least better handled if the original article wasn’t so belligerent. Their language was misleading and over-dramatic, needlessly putting Nintendo under a bus.
            Understandably, people lashed out of defense, cause what the fuck. Unfortunately some went too far or took advantage of the situation to vent. The other side does the same. Eventually it became an incoherent cesspool of noise.

          • idrawrobots

            Yeah, but clicky, click, clicks.

      • Ganali Castillo

        Frankly i don’t really care if the game has one option or not just enjoy it. I mean seriously who has even heard of the game before this whole issue ?

        • idrawrobots

          Now that comment is offensive!

          • Ganali Castillo

            How is it offensive ? Please clarify as i was not trying to be offensive in any way or from.

          • M’iau M’iaut

            Me thinks the ‘offense’ taken was regards the claim that no one would have heard of Tomodachi Life before now. When it is a genre and IP which has been around.

          • Ganali Castillo

            Thank you for the explanation. Sorry but this is the first time iv’e hear of the game and first time I really saw people getting so riled up about a game.

          • idrawrobots

            How could you not know about this game and be a Siliconera-er? OFFENSIVE!

  • Frankie

    It is a joke that people complained about this.

  • Hours Left

    I’m glad that Nintendo finally released a coherent statement, and that they are gonna be more inclusive in the future. Hopefully other companies, and other players, will follow suit.

  • Gyro Zeppeli

    Well here’s a ridiculous, off the wall game where your Miis will randomly marry other Miis and you have literally no choice in the matter, I think we need to petition to have gay marriage included in this because this is literally more important than IRL gay rights.

    • British_Otaku

      As much as I like making the argument that real rights are more important that rights being reflected in media, we don’t really have a case for the sequel not to have the option especially if Nintendo claim that they will make the sequel more inclusive.

  • epy

    Well, hopefully now they will stop calling Nintendo the devil and stuff… Oh wait, they gave Samus bulky rocket boots… They still hate women, don’t they?

    • Tarkovsky

      Next they are going to complain why Rosalina, Zelda and Peach are wearing dresses and crowns and why Rosalina has hair covering one eye. Then, why Wii Fit Trainer has her navel exposed and is not wearing any shoes. Then why Rosalina has to depend on Luma. Is it because she’s weak. Oh no! That’s wrong! All woman need to be independent and strong. We can’t have them depending on somebody else can we? Then finally why Sakurai is male and demand that he undergoes a sex change to become a female so that there’s work equality in the company. F***ing ridiculous I tell ya.

    • Ms_Fortune

      To be fair, Samus new design is super dumb, plus there’s a piece of art with an arrow pointing to her ass and a note saying “I’m gonna love drawing this”, so I wouldn’t say they hate women but its still a bit silly.

      • epy

        It’s super dumb but it got the same knee jerk reaction this is getting.

        “Behind all the corporate jargon and flowery public-relations language lies hatred, pure and simple.”

        Someone actually wrote that.

  • Tarkovsky

    That’s why I would have never released this game in the West if I were Nintendo. Sorry but I think it’s pretty ridiculous that Nintendo had to apologize for a game that was made almost a year ago. You can’t have good things without people ruining it.

    • Ryker

      Yeah if only we knew about gay people a year ago. Maybe they could’ve started fighting for equal representation and this wouldn’t have occurred.

  • I’m torn. On the one hand it’s nice that Nintendo is trying to be progressive; on the other hand, I hate to see them kowtowing to the shrieking internet offense mobs.

    • epy

      Thank you. This is EXACTLY how I feel.

    • Tarkovsky

      I’m afraid it’s pretty hard for one to go back once one has caved in to the angry mob. You do something good and localize a game and yet get kicked in the arse for doing so.

    • antochi

      I’m the same way, but the fact is that recreating your life is /relevant/ to the gameplay (at least that’s how NoA is marketing it). As the game is now, people who are in same-sex relationships can’t recreate their lives even if they wanted to. Sure, the game is just random fun but the option should be there regardless. Angry offense mobs are never good but honestly I favor their reaction over the “it’s just a game” crowd.

  • NintendoPSXTheSecond

    What’s next, deciding to make Zelda a bad-ass assassin rogue? People please, it’s a hurmor-based simulation game. A game. Game. I’m sorry but if you have enough time to complain about no homosexuality in a E rated Nintendo simulation game, why not go out and actually try to make a relationship with someone you love/like?

    • British_Otaku

      Are you implying that gay relationships are the type of thing that should be kept out of the knowledge of younger people? Really? >_>

      They are no more “harmful” than straight ones.

      • NintendoPSXTheSecond

        No, not particularly, but children are highly impresshionable and can even make some children hate the concept of homosexuality and view it as “obscure”. There’s also the issue of parents with less than accepting ideals. It’s not so much as something that should be kept out but rather a safety precaution for most.

        • British_Otaku

          Seems like a poor argument to me. I don’t think that it will make all children like gay people outright, but having less media which makes it clear that they exist and are decent people sounds like it helps much more than not having it.

        • revenent hell

          Reading something like this kind of makes me wonder what most kids who have been raised by a gay couple would say in reply.
          There’s nothing inherently harmful by being exposed to a homosexual (in real life or in a game) other than what the words of a bigot may spew.
          And frankly if a kid or the child’s parents don’t want the kid exposed to homosexuality in a game well then the kid doesn’t have to play it with the intent of being in a same sex relationship. Its an option and hardly forced to do.

    • D H

      Or maybe you did make a relationship with someone you love/like, and want to actually represent that in a game? I’m sorry, but if I was gay, and a game came out that is s’posed to allow me to represent myself in the world, why should I not raise questions when said game didn’t actually let me do that?

      There is nothing wrong with it, and please don’t try to hide behind the “E” for everyone rating. Just because you don’t participate in a certain lifestyle doesn’t mean it isn’t worth defending; people should be allow to live as they are, not as “society” wants them to. After all, the game IS rated “E” for everyone, so should they at least try to include things that appeal to Everyone?

      • Ms_Fortune

        Honestly? I wouldn’t give a crap.

        If I love them in real life, why do I need to pretend to do in a game.

        • D H

          Because, and I could be wrong about this, but I had thought that the point of the game was to live a life as a virtual you. Obviously, that’s not something that’s important to you, and I completely understand that’s how some people play the game/all games. However, that’s a terrible way to look at things, that just because it doesn’t bother you, it shouldn’t bother anybody. Some people like to live as themselves in the game, their own sexual orientation included. There’s no reason it shouldn’t have been in the game, except of course for the fact that it’s a hot topic right now, because, in some places at least, people are finally being allowed to be who they are, instead of being forced to be who “society” wants them to be.

    • epy

      Hmm… I wouldn’ mind a badass assasin rogue Zelda… But you see, that’s something that always bothered me. A female character can only be a strong character if they display stereotypical male characteristics. Why? Wouldn’t a female character that can be “feminine” and kick ass be a better role model?

      • NintendoPSXTheSecond

        I never said such a thing, I do happen to like feminine kick-assery. Like Bayonetta and even ZSS with her new Jet Heels :D

        • epy

          Ah sorry, I wasn’t saying you did specifically. This debacle just reminded me so much of the Samus thing, the thought came to me.

    • Towel

      Comparing apples to oranges. And if it’s a game, you shouldn’t care about there being a homosexual option, no?

      • NintendoPSXTheSecond

        Never said I cared, just no point in making a hissy fit over a video game c:

        • Towel

          Then why are you making a hissy fit over people wanting that option, let alone belittling them for voicing so?

        • NeptuniasBeard

          Dude, people make hissy fits over video games ALL. THE. TIME! Hell look at any given Nintendo article, you have people complaining that Nintendo doesn’t make games that appeal to them. The very backbone of the consoles wars is that people are furious that one of the big 3 didn’t make something that THEY wanted. If people practiced what they preached, and didn’t throw hissy fits and insults and companies that make games that don’t appeal to them, or even worse, the people that DO like things that they don’t, then gaming sites would be MUCH more peaceful. If I am to be so bold, I lay the claim that going of my logic, 3 out of 4 people screaming “political correctness gone mad!” are bloody hypocrites.

    • Ryker

      Shiek would like to have a word with you. Zelda’s alter ego is pretty awesome. I don’t see it as a stretch of the imagination for Zelda to be a bad-ass of any type, she already is one in my eyes.

  • GuyAlpha

    This is one of those situations where I wish both sides would shut up. You’re all painfully obnoxious. Its just Tomodachi. There are things that happen in this game that will never happen in real life.

    • Symbol de Au

      I’m probably one of the people who should shut up lol.

    • Tylor Boreas Makimoto

      Dude, I for one know the pain of forever chasing your cornflakes around the table. The eternal pain, it burns my soul ;~;

  • Ryker

    Games are a very important medium. They can entertain, they can make you feel every emotion on the emotional spectrum, they can make you question things you never did before, they can make you feel like you belong. They aren’t simple play things like many of the people here are trying to claim in an attempt to diminish the validity of complaints and concerns in regards to this issue. They have become a fundamental part of our culture and important to many of us in our daily lives. Like movies and tv shows, it is an important vehicle for spreading inclusiveness and acknowledging that there are other people out there that we may not necessarily like, or agree with, but they are there.. and they’re worthy of being represented. Its especially true for a game like this, which is about socializing at its core.

    On a personal note, I’m disappointed in how some people are reacting here, just because you aren’t personally affected and don’t think it’s a big deal. I can’t really think of a much better cause than helping minority individuals get the opportunity know what it’s like to be acknowledged and validated in the eyes society, in all mediums and facets of our daily lives. That includes gaming. It’s been a long time coming.

    To the people saying that Nintendo didn’t need to apologize. They sort of had to, even if you might question the sincerity of their statement. The negative press could’ve really affected the sales of the game and hurt Nintendo’s family friendly image. I know it’s hard to imagine, but many of us have gay friends and family who we value, love, and feel are worthy of being represented, and are definitely worth fighting for.

  • Spirit Macardi

    I applaud Nintendo for agreeing to be more inclusive in the future, but I hate how everyone is ganging up on them acting like a lack of same-sex inclusion means they’re automatically homophobic. I mean, really?

    I don’t see people attacking Harvest Moon/Rune Factory for the same thing. Or the thousands of games that have fanservice directed at straight males but nothing for gay males or women of any orientation.

    On one hand it is a bit surprising that Tomodachi doesn’t already have that option, seeing as Animal Crossing lets you wear any clothing regardless of gender and Pokemon X/Y has a trainer who is suggested to be transexual, but at the same time those examples should show that Nintendo is a very socially progressive company and a lack of inclusion in this game was likely not due to any prejudice.

    • s07195

      I’ve heard that there originally was but it was buggy and so got patched out.

      • Ms_Fortune

        No it was literally a game killing bug but that needed to be patched out, gay relationship where never in the game to begin with. It was some wonkiness with imported Mii’s from the DS version.

        • s07195

          I see. Thanks for clarifying.

  • revenent hell

    I have to admit most of the games I enjoy most are the ones that do allow the player to pick whatever type of relationship they want. I do tend to do the whole male/female thing myself but its nice for options other than what is the “norm” and I find that quite cool to do for a developer because frankly most of the characters who I would put in a “relationship” would ultimately be in a same sex one if I was forced to play as a specific gender (being forced to play as a male or female is not a big deal for me but if there is a romance type thing in the game I tend to like the options opposite of my actual gender to be honest)
    Regardless of proper representation of nationalities and gender preference I just think its a “cooler” aspect to implement in games that have anything “romance” like involved.

  • NimbusStev

    As a bearded man who likes roast beef sandwiches and worships the Moon Spirit, I am offended that my people are not represented in the newest Sonic the Hedgehog game. LET’S ALL BOYCOTT SEGA!

    Oh! Also I have brown eyes, but in the new Zelda game… they force you to play as this dude with blue eyes! Nintendo should be ASHAMED that they are spreading this hurtful message that brown eyed people aren’t as important as blue eyed people!

    Seriously… who cares? Every minority group does not have to be represented in every form of entertainment ever. You can’t play as a midget in the original Sims game. Nor can you play as a Jewish character in Mass Effect. And last I checked, GTA Online’s character creator doesn’t accommodate for people with ‘outie’ belly buttons. Tomodachi Life is a random, goofy handheld game, I don’t know why people are blowing this so out of proportion.

  • notentirelythere

    The maturtiy level of discourse here is below the ground. If the follow-up to your stance could be attached to homophobic rhetoric, even if that’s not where you’re coming from, check urself. Also, Google ‘heteronormativity’ and find its orig coined use.
    It’s pretty awful to hear accusations of entitlement when, though heavily abstracted, simulated romance is such a big component and when people KNEW Nintendo could listen and respond. I think better of Nintendo for apologizing so directly.
    Shout out to Puchinrin+the mod squad for keeping stuff in tow.

  • Ms_Fortune

    It blows my mind how this escalated, some stupid little Mii game got people so angry, some articles comments equated this stuff with literal murder, and of course the accusations of homophobic flying free.

    Honestly, extremist opinions from the side that claims to be the open minded one just hurts the LBGT cause, pretend I’m gonna say something regarding this, then one of you comes along, covers my mouth and tells me “Don’t worry dear, I will be offended in your stead”

    That’s what a lot of the SJW crowd does, I don’t need you to defend me, I don’t need you to defend my rights, I’m a big girl, I can take care of myself.

    If you want to help me, do so, but quit it with the absolute insanity that some of you show.

    • Ryker

      Obviously you have it all worked out for yourself, but it doesn’t mean that aren’t people who can’t find their voice and appreciate being supported. Your opinion is harmful to the LGBT community, because so much progress has been made by sharing ideas, and yes even outrage. It’s never a waste of time to speak up for something you believe in, like you have just done so. Yes, youre a big girl, if you want to exclude yourself from the issue because it’s not an issue that’s important to you, then refrain from stating opinions that attempt to diminish the valid concerns of others.

      • Ms_Fortune

        “Obviously you have it all worked out for yourself, but it doesn’t mean
        that aren’t people who can’t find their voice and appreciate being
        supported.”

        Where does the line end then?

        When you opt to “support those can’t find their voice” you speak of all of us and you make things worse.

        If they aren’t asking for your help, don’t give it, especially when it involves meaningless crap like getting married in a silly game about Mii’s, extreme reactionary opinions just breed more and more hatred toward the LGBT community, if you want to help, do so in person, talk to these people, visit shelters, help them come out of their shell, speak to victims that have been abused. Speak for them if you ask you to, not before.

        • Ryker

          You’re telling me to be silent because you didn’t personally extend your invitation for me to speak? I am at my core speaking for what I believe is right and true, and what I believe in. I will not be silenced because someone from the Gay community feels that my opinion isn’t helping their cause. THAT is ridiculous. You should spend more time nurturing the positive aspects of this argument rather than turning on people who want equal representation for their loved ones, who happen to be gay. It’s more than just a silly game.

          If social movements like the womens rights and civil rights stopped because “it bred more hate” would we be where we are today.? Absolutely not.

          Don’t assume what I do and don’t do in my real life. I will continue to speak out on my loved ones and friends behalf. I’m sure they appreciate that I respect them enough to want for them, what I already have.. and often take for granted. Your stance is silly and harmful.

          • M’iau M’iaut

            The round about ends here. Thanks.

        • revenent hell

          People aren’t necessarily speaking on your behalf even if it affects a community you have designated yourself a part of.
          People are more or less speaking their feelings and what they believe is fair for “everyone”, if that comes from knowing someone, or being themselves, a part of that “community” then so be it.
          At the end of the day if peoples opinions being voiced and actually listened to helps broaden the spectrum of the “norm” for games I don’t think its necessarily a bad thing either, even if it does eventually lead to the more “outrageous” voiced comments.

  • M’iau M’iaut

    As an armored cruiser which was obsolete by the start of WWI in 1914….

    Hey folks, taking my time to read through, no popcorn for me. This thread went some places and I note some pretty loyal community friends who said things to each other I hope we can find ways to avoid in the future.

    Not going to bore everyone with the think before you post reminder. And that very little was actually moderated or quietly removed should remind folks no we don’t live to instaban for thoughts. But that when the community looks to harm itself, I am at least going to mention that.

  • Shippoyasha

    I’m frankly disappointed by the gaming presses that chose to sensationalize and militarize this news instead of calmly bringing the news. They just HAD to make this into a culture war (even worse, the full on racist bashing of Japanese culture at times. Some people were ITCHING to let their angst loose in some comments in some parts of the net). It could have been just cordially asking Nintendo to consider it if they make a sequel. But no, instead it was pitchforks, attacks, accusations and flamewars everywhere.

    I couldn’t stop slapping my face at this nonsense. Just makes me lose hope for gaming media. I was almost hoping Siliconera would have skipped this brouhaha entirely (not that I blame you guys for just straightforwardly reporting the news. That’s kind of refreshing).

    • epy

      Gotta get them clicks. Same deal with Dragon’s Crown. I’m sure the people that were fuming over that game don’t even remember it anymore.

      • Derek

        What was the controversy behind Dragon’s Crown?

        • Spider-Man

          The women’s bodies. Same will happen when Senran Kagura Shinovi Versus comes to the West.

          • British_Otaku

            Senran Kagura Burst already came to the West without a notable response in any region, Spidey.

            Shinovi Versus (at least by SKB standards) does nothing special to earn a Dragon’s Crown level of controversy even if it is more overtly sex appeal driven.

    • Ryker

      Nintendo was able to sift through these so called attacks, accusations, and flame-wars in order to find valid criticism. At the end of the day, Nintendo publicly acknowledged the outrage and made an oath to be more inclusive in future titles, and that’s really all that matters.

      • Shippoyasha

        “so called attacks”? Come on. Please. Let’s call a spade a spade here. The way the issue was brought up was hateful, militant and just all around embarrassing. There was nothing civil about all of this.

        • Ryker

          Sure, if you choose to ignore the other side of the coin. There was tons of level-headed discussion on other social forums across the net. I was rather surprised by the positivity that this issue brought out in many people, with the support of Miiquality and what have you. Sometimes the extreme and in-your-face opinions can distract from the more civil discussion taking place. It wasn’t all chaotic and misplaced outrage.

          • Shippoyasha

            My point is that we didn’t need a whole culture war angle to get the ball rolling. Instead, it was just a wall of flame war material to get anything going at all. I wouldn’t have blamed Nintendo if they just stayed mum and ignored it due to all the unnecessary attacks leveled their way. They could have calmly announced another version or sequel coming out instead of engaging in the negativity. I do understand there’s some people who were more calm and fair about it. Way too much of it was excessive outrage, sometimes full on, bald faced racism. I was mostly disgusted with misleading headliners fully knowing that the readers were going to click the link and engage in flame wars.

            Also, as sad as it is to say, this has been a recurring theme the last several years regarding gaming journalism. It’s doubly more troubling to me when people are pushing western viewpoint of a hot talking point and putting them in front of Japanese developers without a shred of respect to the fact we’re talking about a very different culture at play here.

            If this kind of steamrolling, bulldozing methodology of starting a talking point becomes the norm, I don’t know what to say to that. If I do formulate the words to describe it, it isn’t going to be something pleasant.

            All I can say is that this whole episode just turned my stomach. It’s been freaking embarrassing to say the least.

          • Ryker

            Sensationalist headlines sometime grab your attention for all of the wrong reasons, but underneath the headline, there is often times something worth paying attention to. I know that if this had never made headlines, as misguided and misdirected as some of the claims thrown at Nintendo were, it would’ve never grabbed my attention.

            Now I’m not condoning the method that gaming media used, much like mainstream media, to encourage clicks, but it sure got your attention, and mine as well.

            I hate to say this, because this is sadder than the state of journalism in America, but level-headed and deeply well thought out, non-confrontational, completely nonabrasive, and matter-of-fact articles are often ignored if they don’t have a compelling headline. It is very hard to drum up attention without resorting to controversial, or even exaggerated aspects of subject matter because without a controversial headline, you aren’t even going to click that link– and take notice of valid issues that may be on the next page. That speaks more of the society we’ve become, more so than what journalism has.become. I won’t deny that there are a minority of websites who drum up non-issues to get clicks, but I fundamentally disagree that this issue is even one of those cases.

            In the end, I think most people have the intellect to know that this wasn’t a “Nintendo hates gay people” issue, but that it was an issue of Nintendo essentially dismissing the desires of many fans and people who want better demographic representation. By taking no accountability under the guise of not trying to appeal or conform to an agenda, by stating that you are not making social commentary about a game that involves marriage, when gay marriage is at the forefront of modern social issues, and yet have chosen to exclude such a thing, is definitely making a statement.

            For me, it’s more embarrassing to not speak up when I think it really matters, and to regret it later. We all get our ideas across in different ways, some more civilly than others, but even abrasive ideas can have merit to them. I wouldn’t say that this was a steam-rolling or bulldozing methodology, but rather the mobilization of the people for a common cause–interspersed with extremist opinions, of course.

            Now if only people would drum up this much attention about Tom Wheeler’s attempt to hand over the internet to big Telecom by destroying net neutrality, or is that too sensationalist?

            Edit: Just wanted to state that I respect your opinion even though we both seemed to perceive this situation in completely different lights. I tend to subconsciously filter opinions of people who are just attempting to drum up controversy or offend people in order to get a reaction. This is in issue with forums regarding just about any subject matter. I just try to focus on the fundamental issue, if there even is one, and to support what i feel is right.

          • Shippoyasha

            I think you are giving way too much credit to how we need to make everything sensational and headlining and making a huge circus and a tent to get talking points going. That’s PRECISELY the problem of modern day social media. How about we buck the trend with civility instead of making each and every talking point more and more vile just to get the talking point going? It’s just a heinous and disrespectful way to get a point across. I don’t believe in this idea that the ends justify the means. It definitely doesn’t. There’s no indicator saying that people couldn’t have been civil about this, otherwise we’d all turn a blind eye and not know about it. That’s frankly BS to me because of how overly touchy the internet social media is to begin with. Why not just ask for it nicely, let Nintendo respond in kind instead of articles and journalists going on a full, brunt attack? If you’re fine with that kind of journalism, I think you’re too numb to the gotcha journalism that’s so vogue nowadays.

            ” mobilization of the people for a common cause–interspersed with extremist opinions, of course.”

            Being too generous there. It was spearheaded by a full on smear and character assassination campaign. Exacerbated by a sensationalist media.

            Sure, more vile attempts like net neutrality may deserve a bit more of a sharp talking point online. But roasting a company like Nintendo and then acting all civil about it after ravaging it? That’s not something I can condone. Then again, I suppose guys like Nintendo is an easier target. Why target something tough like net neutrality when we can pick on a polite responding Japanese company?

          • Ryker

            You say it’s a problem, but it gets stuff done. Certainly that can’t be denied. I think you’re focusing too much on the negative, there was a lot of positive to come from this.

            You say this whole ordeal was spearheaded by a full smear and character assassination campaign, but youre choosing to ignore positive, peaceful and civil discussion that took place. The guy responsible for Miiquality had a lot of amazing and encouraging things to say to Nintendo, and even expressed that while he was disappointed by Nintendo’s response, he wasn’t going to boycott the game but still intended to foster an open dialogue with Nintendo on this issue in the future.

            Anyways, it’s all been said and done at this point. Love nintendo and hope they hire some better PR to prevent future situations like this from arising, although I’m not totally disappointed that this whole debacle occurred. Nintendo actually committed to more inclusiveness in the future. That’s a huge accomplishment for the people who pushed for a response for Nintendo, for gaming, and for social progress..

            I’m not saying that it couldn’t have been handled better. It could’ve. Situations like this can always be handled differently but it’s moot at this point. You keep lambasting the gaming media, but isn’t it the purpose of the media to push for accountability? Sensationalist headlines aside, which honestly I didn’t focus on as much as the content within the articles, they served their purpose.

            I wouldn’t lose too much sleep over the poor billion dollar company with a foot in the worldwide market who made a comment that offended many people to the point of it escalating to the point of ridiculousness, to some extent, that they later corrected with one comment.

            If i let every negative comment towards Nintendo get to me, I would’ve gone mad. It’s the nature of the beast, and of the internet. Everyone has an opinion. Try not to take them all to heart. Media sensationalism is nothing new. In the end, I say the ends did justify the means, because Nintendo won over many people, the game is being exposed to people who never heard of it, minority groups feel assuaged by Nintendo acknowledgement. What’s there to get upset about? I’m sleepy and I won’t be saying anymore on this subject, putting it to rest. peace

          • buddyluv324

            I bet this whole drama will blow over once Mario Kart 8 and the new Smash Bros gets released. I wouldnt be surprise if the same people throwing a fit over Tomodachi Life will be quick to jump back on that Nintendo bandwagon.

          • Shippoyasha

            Wait. You are just making me angry saying Nintendo’s PR is at fault here. They handled it about as well as they could possibly have. Journalists were spinning their words like Nintendo was waging a culture war. Don’t you understand just how wrong that is? “Getting it done?” Are you serious? So we just roast peoples’ reputations on an open flame because the internet mobs are the voice of justice? This case shows that the net mob is like any other angry mob. You don’t force political discourse down someone’s throat to make them listen. Talk to them like a human being instead of talking down and accusing them of heinous things. It’s called common courtesy. The problem with an angry mob is that it’s run on emotion, not rationale.

            The Miiquality guy handled it maturely, yes. Unlike 99% of the journalists and SJWs who mishandled what Nintendo was saying and making a culture war out of basically a non talking point (it was a bug, they may add it as a feature, END OF STORY).

            And Nintendo was the one making an offensive statement? I am sorry, but that is plain wrong. The demagogues who wanted to wage war against Nintendo was cooking up that narrative. Stop reading the clickbait and taking it to heart.

            Also, I am not sure why it matters if it’s a billion dollar company or not. If the angry internet mob manages to catch some poor Joe or Jane in a virtual lynching, I’d be just as incensed that it’s happening.

            I’m not really saying that proper discourse didn’t happen. Thank Nintendo for acting like proper adults and even bothering to respond when they had all the right not to. But modern day angry-mob dynamic and media sensationalism is not something we should just brush away as benign in my opinion.

            I am afraid there will be many, COUNTLESS many more nonsense like this considering that it’s now kosher to base our news off the likes of TMZ, Twitter and others. No matter how ill advised or clickbait-y the topic, people think ends justify the means. I don’t know what to say. I am beyond pissed off about this. There’s just no civility in the Internet world.

          • Ryker

            They should’ve responded how they did after the public backlash, in the first place. It’s not a matter of buying into anti-Nintendo propaganda. There was an underlying issue with merit that many people were discussing, in a non-confrontational and peaceful manner, but you are too caught up in the sensationalism of it all. I think it’s a waste of time to focus on the people who you felt acted unjustifiably towards Nintendo. It undermines the opinions of people who expressed themselves with dignity. If Nintendo felt compelled to respond and set the record straight, after seeing the misstep in their judgement to clear up misconceptions, going as far as to apologize for the indiscretion, while making a pledge to be more inclusive in the future, then so be it.’

            I’m not entirely convinced I buy the whole woe-is-Nintendo-theyre-being-unjustifiably-picked-on argument. If that’s all you can surmise from the dialogue that has occurred, then you have missed why people were upset in the first place– and perhaps that’s why you feel that that the basis for this entire situation was propelled by the media, inciting some innate confrontational and uninformed movement by irrational gamers who grouped into a mob mentality just to attack Nintendo on baseless accusations. That wasn’t the case.

            The core issue was that people felt that Nintendo’s non-commital stance on fans request for gay marriage in Tomodachi Life was in essence denying the legitimacy of such coupling. Refusing to address a subject is often construed as a stance in and of itself, which is what set off such a backlash.

            We’ve already agreed that the media outlet could have gone with less sensational headlines, but even very literal and objective headlines drew the same criticism towards Nintendo. It’s wasn’t a media agenda that was aimed at gathering more clicks, although clicks are an important element where ad-revenue is involved, but this was a very valid issue worth bringing to the forefront– which empowered gamers to speak up.

            The community response should tell you how passionate people felt about Nintendo’s lack of commitment to taking a stance and acknowledging part of their fanbase with legitimate concerns. By focusing on headlines, you are drawing attention away from what truly matters…the underlying subject matter.

            At the end of the day, the media got the story out there, and the people got to decide for themselves what to make of the situation.To suggest that people were only upset because of media sensationalism, that their anger was misplaced, and that they couldn’t see past the extreme hyperbole in order to recognize the core issue is misguided.

          • Shippoyasha

            Wait a second. You say we should overlook sensationalism but you just said in past posts that the sensationalism was good. So you are fighting your own words there. You went back and forth on that so many times, I don’t know where to begin with that.

            And ‘woe is me’? What the hell? Where you coming up with this BS? If Nintendo did flub anything in PR, I might have understood. But you’re making this into some strawman that I’m defending anything from the point of clickbait assumption that Nintendo was somehow in the wrong here. They weren’t. And gamers who made this into a cultural war definitely were in the wrong. There could have been a civil discussion, but instead, they push out the good old ‘homophobe’ card. Doubly so that it’s a Japanese company, something people love shoving western values to, even though the cultures couldn’t be any more different.

            “The core issue was that people felt that Nintendo’s non-commital stance on fans request for gay marriage in Tomodachi Life was in essence denying the legitimacy of such coupling. Refusing to address a subject is often construed as a stance in and of itself, which is what set off such a backlash.”

            Which is why this ‘controversy’ was nonsense. It came out in Japan a long time ago with zero fanfare about it. They were making a straight port thinking people would readily accept it. Instead, demagogues pounced on the marriage angle, like Nintendo was going on an offensive about ‘denying the legitimacy’ of gay rights. You’re just spouting the typical clickbait demonization of Nintendo hook, line and sinker. Have someone do something benign, and people cook up this context that they’re doing something heinous. Pure, unadulterated slander. Sure, it’s a ‘billion dollar company’, so we get a nice big fat target to paint without remorse, right? POOR NINTENDO, right? Come on. You’re better than that.

            And oh great. ’empowered gamers’. Empowered with ignorance and itching to get on a witch hunt. That’s not something to be proud of you know. That’s something we should be afraid of. Social media has given power to the goon squad basically. This case will be remembered as such for how it was handled by the ‘righteous’ internet mob.

            “.To suggest that people were only upset because of media sensationalism, that their anger was misplaced, and that they couldn’t see past the extreme hyperbole in order to recognize the core issue is misguided.”

            Um. No. Media did its part by making a huge freaking stink and running with clickbait. It’s the kind of heinous things the media is apt to do. But what was happening was the original intent of many ignorant witch hunters was to paint a target as ‘wrong’ and making up all kinds of notions as to why that is. You said it yourself ‘denying legitimacy’. That is a made up narrative. Stop drinking that stuff up without questioning what you’re drinking.

            Nintendo did no such thing. People were shoving a militant ‘you versus me’ viewpoint in regards to gay marriage to Nintendo when Nintendo wasn’t even factoring it due to the game being a Japanese release a long time ago. The marriage issue isn’t even a hot topic issue in Japan, considering gay consummation works differently there. But no, instead it’s the borderline racist assumption that the western viewpoint is absolutely correct. That we shovel this dialogue in there branding people as an enemy before giving them the DIGNITY of a fair response.

            I am sorry to say Ryker. I think you mean well. But you aren’t seeing the trees for the forest here. We don’t just dance around the fact that this was a heinous torching of a company. Being ‘non commital’ isn’t a crime and definitely not something to brandish the ‘homophobic’ word around. You’re advocating for internet bullying tactics that is not only starting to be common place, but people consider it ‘morally correct’. It is a dangerous precedent.

            Funny thing is, I don’t even disagree that Nintendo should add gay options. But the way they are being crucified and demonized and people cheer saying they are so self righteous disgusts me. It’s always ‘us versus them’. Always a fight. Always a culture war. It’s TIRESOME.

          • Ryker

            I never said to overlook sensationalism. I said it happens, but not to make it the focus, because it’s unavoidable, that i agree there are other more respectable ways to grab attention of the readers, but that sensationalist headlines can have merit in the actual article. You thought I was defending it because I said it got our attention. I never defended it, I just made a comment about how it got stuff done, so while you didn’t agree with the methodology, many people took note and it led to a proper and almost immediate discourse. I’m just pointing out the facts.

            I used the term “Woe is me” because you are attempting to turn Nintendo into a victim, with your overly apologetic nature towards them. I already said several times what they did wrong, but you choose not to acknowledge it. They alienated many customers by being noncommital to the idea of gay marriage, brushing it aside as a social commentary issue. That was crap. You are trying to dance around what caused this issue in the first place. Sure, there were rumors and misconceptions going around with regards to the same-sex gaming crashign bug(im just taking peoples word for it), but that’s not what people were upset about. Your right that civil discussion can lead to many a great thing, but you are choosing to ignore that civil discussion did take place. You took the sensationalism, the baseless accusations, and other ergregious comments towards Nintendo, blew them up so large in your head that that’s all you saw. That’s sensationalism of another kind.

            Nintendo is a japanese company, but they are releasing this game in a western market. They should be ready for western input on decisions they may or may not make that clash with our own personal interest and belief systems. We are not obligated to appease them simply because theyre from another culture who society may not be as progressed as we are on these issues(again, im assuming because i thought the japanese culture defense and xenophobic comments towards them were ignorant, i filtered them out, like any reasonable person should have) We are in America, it’s not like were going to japan and telling them that Tomodachi Life is non-inclusive so that they should do something about it. They chose to release the product here and they chose to open up the dialogue with an insensitive response that started it all. Stop treating the company like theyre mindless and world views are completely esoteric to them. They owned up to their mistake and apologized. They obviously think they did something wrong, so there’s nothing left to say on that matter.

            I also want to note that they aren’t just bringing the game over because of their good nature! It’s a business transaction between them and us. As consumers we have a right and duty to speak up. In the end, I believe it forged stronger ties between Nintendo and it’s userbase, so how can you argue with what transpired? Right, you’re still focussed on what some trolls said.

            The controversy isn’t nonsense because you say so. Just because the game was released in Japan and sparked no outrage doesn’t mean that we are supposed to sit back and accept everything as is like good little citizens. There was a moral dilemma and people felt slighted and invalidated by Nintendo’s lack of acknowledgement. You weren’t one of those people, but they were valid. I’m valid for believing that the original statement they made was completly insensitive, — horrible PR, which you attest to being handled “almost as well as they could have”. Right, so that’s why it riled up so many people. The second response was much better. It speaks of sensitivity, progress, caring, and directly explains why gay marriage couldn’t have been put in this game– because the game had been finished for a long time, but that they would make strides to improve on this in the future.

            If you don’t agree with me, don’t berate my stance as “clickbait demonization”. You’re being absolutely patronizing here. I love Nintendo but they mucked up, and I spoke out. You seem to be taking a stance that not even Nintendo agrees with. Why? Because they admitted to the mistake and pledged to do better in the future. Your point is moot. The situation wasn’t benign. It could have harmed the sales of the game and irrepareably damaged Nintendo’s image if this situation was left alone at Nintendo’s original statement. The fan demand for clarification from Nintendo not only helped gay and lesbian gamers, but Nintendo. They are more equipped to serve their western customers now.

            I’m not saying that because theyre a billion dollar company that everyone should jump on board the hate train and bash them, quite the opposite. I’m saying they have the lawyers and PR teams to be able to speak up for themselves, and they did. They made a statement that appeased fans and showed them in a better light. You’re the one painting Nintendo as a victim, but they are anything but. Go on and defend Nintendo from what you perceive as unwarranted persecution, but I really wish you could see past that. There was a great dialogue between the media, the fans, and Nintendo. That’s what i chose to focus on.

            Empowered gamers with a meaningful purpose is something to be incredibly proud of. You’re the one equating the gaming public’s response to something akin to the Salem Witch trials, as though Nintendo was accused of being something it’s not, so everyone demanded that they be burned at the stake. No, those sort of comments only came from lemmings. Did you not see how much flack gays took as well? Go read the washington post article. It went both ways and Nintendo wasn’t the only target. Stop ignoring the fact that Nintendo’s original dismissive comment is what caused the situation to escalate. Like I said in my original post, Nintendo was able to sift through the bs and find a concern of merit.

            At this point, I’m not convinced that you just don’t have a problem with opinions other than your own. You’ve attempted to deny that there was even an issue to begin with, when again, I’m sorry I keep restating this but I want it to sink in, Nintendo admitted to their indiscretion and apologized for it. You repeatedly keep generalizing the fan response as one of a mob mentality, and ignore that the level-headed fan response to this also contributed to Nintendo’s change of heart.

            I disagree with your whole Media lynch mobbing scenario and how Nintendo didn’t make any mis-steps, that it was all brought on by people who just had some free time and decided to jump on the hate band-wagon for no reason, so I won’t even touch that aspect of your argument anymore, especially after you convinced yourself that I only feel the way I do because I drank the koolaid, as you so condescendingly put it.

            I’m also going to state that because gay marriage isn’t a central topic in Japanese culture, that we should somehow quell our own inclinations for greater representation so that we can “please understand” them, is not the right way to go about it either. That would never lead to the change that fans so much desire, especially in this game where you are playing a virtual representation of yourself, and many western fans would love the opportunity to marry a same sex partner. You are too focussed on the malicious aspect of the controversy to see good that was shared amongst the gaming community and the positive commentary that went in both directions. It’s not a black and white scenario, where Nintendo is simply a victim and everyone else is just a lynch mobber.

            No need to apologize, I don’t know what you mean to convey at this point, as you’ve chosen to, imo, sensationalize an aspect of the situation in vein of the positive rhetoric that took place. I may not be seeing the trees for the forest, but you are seeing a single tree and calling it a forest.

            You’re right in that being non-commital is not a crime, but it is in the best interest of a business like Nintendo to have some transparancy with their fans so that situations like this can be avoided. I’m not advocating internet bullying tactics, as I never pushed for a response from nintendo– nor did I claim they were homophobic. I just thought that they should be accountable to their gay fans , and if you think that is too much to ask for, then I don’t know what to say to that. There’s a fine line between what you’re accusing supporters of this movement of and the lynch mob mentality. The lines seemed to have blurred for you because of your focus on what people did wrong, rather than what they did right.

            I really don’t know who these people are who are crucifying and demonizing Nintendo, and all of the cheering taking place due to what you perceive as self-righteouness(because it can’t be anything but since you don’t think there’s an issue at all right?), but maybe you should watch what channels you visit if its so upsetting. There are other opinions of people who chose to foster discussion in a civilized manner. What’s tiresome to me is that I’m somehow being grouped as part of this imaginary internet mother brain lynch mob mentality that is somehow contributing to internet bullying when I’ve been nothing but civil and understanding towards Nintendo. I never accused them of being homophobic or intentionally discriminating. I just acknowledged that their original statement with regards to no-gay marriage was a very poor response that I find warranted a public response for Nintendo to at least acknowledge the existence of their fans desire for alternative marriage and inclusiveness. I don’t see how that’s wrong at all, so I think the conversation is done here, as things are getting personal.

          • Shippoyasha

            I think you are going too far into a rabbit hole with your assumption that Nintendo has done wrong so I am ‘defending them’. My whole point is that their words are twisted at every turn and you are doing a great job of showcasing how that is happening.

            Funny how you are now attacking me with a whole ‘denial’ angle. The fact you just brush over everything and will come to the conclusion that Nintendo has done wrong is a bit ridiculous here. I haven’t even said everyone involved is in a witchhunt but then you go on a ridiculous semantics tirade about they have done us wrong. And now you consider this some personal thing and you are saying I am creating the context? Do you even understand that this whole militarization angle is precisely why I am so pissed off about all this? You are only proving my point that people are getting into a flame war about much of nothing. Instead of just an honest back and forth, it’s about who is victimized and who isn’t. That original dramstization didn’t even need to happen. Funny how you attack me with assuming ‘there is no issue, right?’ Funny how you defend demagoguery with the dame attitude yourself. Are you defending their tactics because you engage in the same character assassination?

            At this point, why should Japanese developers even bother releasing games to the west when a little misunderstanding turns into a huge shit festival? Sure, keep attacking me buddy. Just another day in our modern day culture wars. I wish you would apopogize about painting me as some perpetrator but this seems to be in line with this whole ‘controversy’. How about courtesy? Is that something that simply doesn’t exist?

          • Ryker

            You’re right, words are twisted at every turn, and often so much that the core matter is lost in the discussion. You are so consumed by this idea of media driven militarization of public opinion to unjustly attack entities like Nintendo, that you won’t even accept that this issue isn’t about sensationalist headlines, or unjust accusations, or that there should’ve been an issue to begin with!– Nintendo made a statement and fans made valid retorts. Of course, the manner of which nintendo was engaged in matters, — the means don’t always justify the end, but in this case I say they do, because I’m well aware that not everyone approached this situation in such a confrontational and accusatory tone. There were really respectful individuals who stated their thoughts and opinons in order to appeal to what Nintendo had said so that maybe, they would understand where the feelings of invalidation were coming from. .This is what Nintendo heard, even under all of the filth.

            How am I attacking you when youre the one who continues to backhandedly imply that I don’t see the big picture, when you can’t even see the core issue and that it’s already been addressed. The flame war I’m partaking in is actually yours, if anything. You are going on a tyrade about the media and militant behavior that have no place in this specific discussion. Yes, it’s a valid concern, but it does not encompass how everyone behaved in the matter, which is what I’m trying to stress. No arbitrary percentage pulled out of thin air will prove that this was an aggressive and militant reaction as a whole. It’s just what youre focussing on.

            Japanese developers should bother and will bother to release games in the west because there’s money to be made, and we will continue to buy them.. and them knowing how we feel about certain things, like wanting equality in a social simulator will allow them to reach a greater audience, which in turn leads to greater will between the consumer and the developers, and leads to more profit. Shit festivals have been happening since the 90s and early 2ks, heck as far as I can remember gaming. They’re nothing new, and I’m not saying theyre right, but as long as developers keep an open line with their customers and let them know why certain decisions are made, it lowers the chance of indirect miscommunication. Every company has to deal with this, not just videogame makers.

            I’m not attacking you by the way. I have nothing against you, but your treatment of this occurrence that is very important to many people just goes to show how little you think of the very valid concerns that have been expressed when you blanket them as reactionary responses with little merit whatesoever. Empathy is required in civil discussion, without it a common bridge cannot be built. I do not want to keep talking in circles with you, and I’m sorry if you got the impression that I’m part of this big social media problem. We all have our opinions, and I think you are placing too much weight on the ones that you find discourteous/reactionary, and blanketting all opinions as such. For someone who lambasted others for making this a culture war, it certainly feels like that’s all were engaging in.. and I am genuinely, sincerely 100%, sorry we wasted eachothers time and weren’t able to come to a common discourse.

            Edit: I just want to acknowledge that I know you think I’m inadvertently becoming part of some militant behavior because i am placing “blame” on Nintendo for an unintentional verbal mishap with no underlying malice. NO. It’s not true, whatsoever. I never said anything on the topic until Nintendo’s second statement. I had my opinions on the matter and I kept them to myself, because I gave Nintendo the benefit of the doubt, so please do not accuse me of defending demagoguery, because that is a bold-faced attack on my character with absolutely no merit. To further accuse me of defending it because you think I engage in character assassination as well, well now that’s just grasping

            . I am not being apologetic towards demagoguery and sensationalist, frivolous, and fabricated claims – but I realize that it’s a much larger issue that is not the focus of what transpired in this specific ordeal because to give that side of the dialogue all of my attention would draw said attention away from the important discussion and valid ideas that were taking place. Ideally it would have never escalated, and people should have been as civil as possible at getting their message across to nintendo, but some people didn’t and they were probably the loudest, and now you’re not giving enough credit to the people who acted just as you hoped they would. It happened the way it did, it could’ve been different, and it wasn’t– so Instead of crying over spilled milk, all I can ask– sincerely, is how can a situation like this be avoided in the future.. so that discussion can remain civil and calmly conveyed without people resorting to hyperbole and sensationalism to get the point across? Beats me, but I want to acknowledge the people who got the message across without “click-baiting” as you call it. If it ever sounded like I was defending the bad behavior or practices of some media entities, it was only because there was a story there beneath what Matty described as a legitimate concern peppered with light-racism(among other things). He was able to separate the two things, and so was I. This conversation has to end somewhere, so this will by my last post because I actually want to focus on more positive subject matter. Feel free to say what you have to as I think I’ve already said all that I possibly could.

          • Shippoyasha

            I’ll try to take the high road and end it there.

          • M’iau M’iaut

            Enough from both sides.

          • Matty

            I agree in that sometimes you have to accept when a concern is valid and think for yourself.

            When Kotaku takes a scathing stance on Tomodachi Life, I know they are baiting clicks and peppering their opinion with light racism, but I also know that the concern is valid and I don’t clump the two together.

            When Polygon complains that Dragon’s Crown problematic, I’m independent in thought enough to see there is no legitimate sexism, just someone’s yearning for controversy and puritanical censorship.

            And neither of these things should cause me to run to the opposite end of the spectrum just to spite them. That is what is saddest to me, how people want to stratify their opinions so desperately. “Hate Anita Sarkeesian? Why not gays too? They’re all “SJW’s” who want to ruin our games!”

            These pop culture critic sites want nothing more than to have us all divided against each other to bloat their comment sections.

    • CptPokerface

      It’s incidents like these that really bring out some of the ugliest parts of ALL people. Gay people and those who support their life style come under scrutiny for pushing agendas and their views onto everyone else.

      People who don’t care to have same-sex marriage in the game under the principles that it’s Nintendo’s IP and it was not their intention to include same sex marriages in-game get accused of. denying gays equality and fair representation and a myriad of other things.

      Props to nintendo for addressing the issue as quickly as they have. Letting something like this linger over you can really damage your public image, and they apologized, even though Im sure the most sensible among us know that they never harbored any hate to begin with.

    • Matty

      It might have been said before but: The guy who started the “movement” said he was going to buy the game anyway, and that he did -not- want people to boycott it. He just wanted Nintendo to hear his opinion.

      Kotaku did what they do, and then everyone here said the typical “I hate how gays want to be included in everything” and “SJW ruining Nintendo’s ‘artistic vision’ ” and that eventually devolved into thinly-veiled gay-hate.

      • Shippoyasha

        Yeah. The original intent wasn’t bad but it rolled into something entirely manipulative soon after by people who wanted to go for a ‘good’ internet fight.

        This gets more complicated when adding in trolls and people who genuinely may think the discussion shouldn’t be applicable for kids games or that homosexual lifestyle is wrong. I don’t agree that homosexual lifestyle is wrong. But I think it’s somewhat ironic when we are talking about tolerance and we don’t tolerate those kinds of views. Tolerance of opposing views doesn’t mean total agreeing with those views.

        Either way, the average angry internet flamewar just isn’t nuanced and courteous enough for touchy subjects like this.

  • PragmaticSoul

    Deal with it. If a game doesn’t have something you want in it, you’ll live. I wanted to be Black in Awakening, that that wasn’t quite possible. Did it affect me? No, because it is a video game. If this was, you know, something that actually affected your day to day activities then it would be a problem; but I’m sure most here have more to worry about than a lack of a feature in a video game.

    You can put me in the “Just another Black guy” crew.

    • harmonyworld

      but, you can be black in tomodachi life so….

  • FivePointedTheStar

    I do not understand in the slightest why someone’s sexual orientation has a factor in whether they decide to buy a game or not.

    It is very sad and shallow in its own unfortunate way.

    • Ryker

      Imagine if tomodachi life only had gay marriage. How many heterosexuals might choose not to buy it? I just want you to see the other side of the coin. Not feeling like your preference is represented is a very valid reason to avoid something. Fortunately, for the most part, people are able to look past this stuff and enjoy games for what they’re supposed to be, fun. Tomodachi Life is sort of exception because it was designed and marketed so prominently as an interaction simulator with marriage being a selling point. In this case, more options wouldn’t be a bad thing.

      • FivePointedTheStar

        “Imagine if tomodachi life only had gay marriage. How many heterosexuals might choose not to buy it? I just want you to see the other side of the coin.”

        Yes, but swapping the subjects at hand doesn’t change my point. Either which way, this whole thing is sad and shallow in an unfortunate way.

        “Not feeling like your preference is represented is a very valid reason to avoid something.”

        I guess…

        “Fortunately, for the most part, people are able to look past this stuff and enjoy games for what they’re supposed to be, fun.”

        I agree.

        “Tomodachi Life is sort of exception because it was designed and marketed so prominently as an interaction simulator with marriage being a selling point. In this case, more options wouldn’t be a bad thing.”

        I have a question. Who is main target audience for Tomodachi Life? This isn’t to say there is not a periphery demographic.

  • Pinkemon

    I’m glad Nintendo is actually thinking about it instead of just dismissing it like they could’ve done. Heck, if they move along with social progress I think it’d be good press for the company in the long run despite the likely negative attention from the conservative side. (From my POV, at least.)

    • FivePointedTheStar

      I want to think that there was a political agenda associated with this entire event. From what I have been reading, CNN started it.

  • malek86

    I don’t have much of an opinion on this matter, as I’m notoriously selfish and find it hard to relate to other people, but I also have no problem with more people getting in on the fun, so I don’t see why not include gay marriage.

    Seeing it on a technological and quality way, though, if The Sims has had gay marriage for so long, then it’s kind of a failure on Nintendo’s part for not providing the same kind of standards.

    Also, I’m kind of amazed by how things are getting today. Could you have seen Nintendo apologizing just a few years ago? Or Microsoft reversing their policies, or Sony fixing the Driveclub issue? As consumers, we are gaining more power, I don’t know why some people see that as a bad thing. And creators won’t have their visions changed (look at Kojima, he’s still doing whatever he wants despite the outcries), unless if they do, that means their vision was not as “concrete” as it should have been.

    Regardless. We’ll see if they deliver on their promises in the next game. I trust they will, especially because if they don’t, people will have even more reason to complain.

    • Shippoyasha

      That’s why I believe Nintendo when they said they just wanted to make a cute little game, not some message on the broader culture or anything. And the gay option was literally game breaking as a bug. Maybe people should have tried to tone down the rhetoric and listen to what they had to say about it. That’s why it just feels wrong to knock them that they were dropping the ball somehow.

      “As consumers, we are gaining more power, I don’t know why some people see that as a bad thing.”

      It’s bad if outcries and misinformation is used to shame the creators. And there’s no accountability from the likes of clickbaiters and commenters who were demonizing their ‘opposition’ in the game companies. After an apology or whatever change from Nintendo is implemented, nobody even says sorry that they were wielding pitchforks to make a point? There is no accountability there.

      • FivePointedTheStar

        Why can’t I like this more than once?

  • Tienron

    i wont buy this game cause it don’t interest me but the fact still remains that it’s not for all people…

  • SlickRoach

    Does exclusion really make gay people feel hated in situations like this? I don’t think Nintendo said they hate gays or anything but I guess I wouldn’t really understand from an etic perspective. I don’t get the gravity of being able to choose the gender of which character you marry in a virtual game, but I guess if it helps you sleep at night.

  • Judgeman

    Remove the option to pick a gender. Problem solved.
    Edit:Bad choice of words, I meant removing anything that would imply a gender orientation, be it heterosexual, homosexual or even asexual.

  • celery

    Square Enix chooses to cover up some female models (and remove a male costume, but no one seems to care about that) for their international release of Bravely Default to keep it more “family-friendly,” and lots of people think it’s perfectly fine to boycott the game even though nothing about the story or gameplay has changed.

    People point out that Tomodachi Life excludes a large amount of people by not including gay marriage and therefore choose to not buy it, and people say that those who don’t buy it for that reason are “making an issue out of nothing.”

    • Ryker

      Kudos to you, however I don’t think its necessarily the same group of people that are outraged by one issue, who are attempting to disparage the legitimacy of completely unrelated issue. It would speak volumes about an individual who held this sort of belief system, though.

      • celery

        Very true, it’s better to look at individual groups, but I like to take into consideration the gaming community as a whole. It’s a very diverse group, yes, but all the more reason why it shouldn’t be an issue when a marginalized group speaks up about why they aren’t pleased with a game.

    • malek86

      It seems to me that, in general, gamers don’t want anyone messing with the “creators’ vision”, as they call it. Squenix was criticized because they made changes to Bravely Default, which presumably were not in the authors’ original intentions. And now they are criticizing the outcry because they think it could make Nintendo change their original vision as well.

      While there is some merit to this idea (it’s fair to assume that the creators know best about their own intentions than anyone else), the fallacy is that devs aren’t infallible. So, assuming that their ideas can’t be wrong and that those whining executives/trolls are simply trying to mess with the creators’ perfect vision, is a dubious point of view at best.

      Actually I wonder if some of these are the same people who asked for the ending of Mass Effect to be changed. That would be ironic.

      • Shippoyasha

        Actually, creators should be allowed to do their thing instead of games being communally driven and created. If some devs wants to do that, that is their choice. I don’t even understand why games have to even be ‘infallible’ to begin with. Do people even respect artistic integrity anymore?

        • malek86

          Eh. I don’t necessarily think so. A creator’s vision is continually influenced by many things, both internal to the company and external to it. Think about mangakas’ editors, how a current situation can lead to changing the plot of a TV series, etc.

          The general idea is that there will always be someone looking to “improve” (usually meaning, make it sell more) your creation. People making a fuss on the internet are just another layer to this process.

          • Shippoyasha

            Yeah. But is it wrong if not everyone wants to do that? Like is it ‘morally’ wrong? I don’t think it is. I don’t think it’s right that everyone has the ‘right’ to mess with a creator’s vision if they just want to make something and wants a niche they want to aim for. Like you wouldn’t see a horror story or a comedic story aim to be politically correct or else they would lose their edge.

          • malek86

            Works don’t exist in a vacuum. Even the blackest of comedies wouldn’t touch the 9/11 argument for a few years after the events. Whether political correctness is right or wrong, it exists and creators have to deal with it.

            The issue of gay marriage is very hot at the moment, as well, so of course companies should be especially careful around it.

          • Shippoyasha

            Works do exist in their niche you know. Not everything has to appeal to everyone. That’s why it’s called a niche to begin with. And I don’t understand your 9/11 analogy. I was laughing at 9/11 jokes even a week or two after the fact. I was eye witness to 9/11 actually.

          • malek86

            Not everything has to appeal to everyone. But everyone has access to everything. The problem is that even if you claim your work is aimed at specific people, you have no way to stop other people from having access to it (especially for Nintendo, because their games have a much wider distribution than, say, Atlus games). Which makes sense, because the end goal of any product is to make as much money as possible. And there’s also the matter that telling someone “sorry but my work is not for you” could pass as extremely unfair.

            So, sure, you could have made 9/11 jokes right after the event (I think someone actually did) but chances are you would have got boo’ed by the audience real hard (again, that’s what happened to that guy who did).

            The same thing is happening here, kinda. They tackled a sensitive issue in the incorrect way, and thus they got boo’ed by the part of the audience who cares about it.

            And notice that, if their creators’ vision was so strong, they wouldn’t change anything. Is Kojima gonna change that MGS5 girl after the outcry? Not likely. What about the sorceress in Dragon’s Crown? Nope. In the end, if Nintendo apologized, it’s most likely because they recognized that there could be some money to be made by appealing to more people, not because they were coherced into doing so.

          • Shippoyasha

            I think it’s unfair to say Nintendo botched anything here because they simply wanted to do a straight port from Japan. It’s not exactly fair to think Japan of all places will always be on tab with what the western world wants. Some of the genuine appeals for the option is nice, but not when broader media ran with the ‘anti-gay’ angle. That’s where it started to turn a benign thing into a full blown ‘issue’.

            Also, I don’t know why whether the ‘access’ people have matters at all. That’s the problem I have with saying that the niche no longer exists. Of course it does. Just the fact people know about something doesn’t mean everything is turned benign and less risque just to appeal to a ‘common denominator’. The whole marriage issue in this game is complex that way because the entire attitude towards marriage is entirely different from the western world. It’s really not fair for people to think the Japanese perspective simply doesn’t exist here.

            Also this idea that having a certain risque factor automatically means it is alienating everyone doesn’t sit well with me. Boys can enjoy girly entertainment and vice versa. It’s not an algebraic math at play here. I still think people are way too condemning of the creators here. Again, if creators wants to openly converse with the greater public, that’s fine. If they just want to follow their own vision, that’s fine too. It’s extremely unfair to make this into a morality issue.

          • malek86

            Japan or not, isn’t a problem, because Nintendo has enough money to change their games for a different region if they want.

            But the morality issue angle. I can hear you on that, especially when some very small things are seemingly blown out of proportion (saying that Nintendo “is fueled by hatred” certainly sounds a little excessive). But look at it from these people’s perspective: nothing will ever change unless they make a fuss whenever they can. In the past couple years, minorities have made a lot of steps in getting acceptance by the western world, so they need to ride the wave while they can. And that means tackling any case that could be detrimental to that end.

            Many of the complaints are usually legitimate. Some others a bit less so. Frankly, I thought it was ridiculous when people complained about shooting african zombies in RE5 – still, as you can see, that didn’t seem to have any effect on the game’s sales, so if complaints are senseless, people will react accordingly.

          • Shippoyasha

            True that. I think we know by now that Nintendo’s pace of change is GLACIAL. The way they spent almost 2 generations with friend codes and an ancient online infrastructure is kind of proof. I just think their ‘Nintendo pace’ kind of clashes with the whole hyper speed of online communities. I just think this entire debacle is just Nintendo being in wrong place at the wrong time and the social media not realizing that not everyone works at their speed. Not to mention that marriage really isn’t a combative issue in Japan, considering it’s not even something actively sought after by the homosexual community there (even though there’s been some movement in recent years to make it happen, if at least for ceremonial purposes). While the complete opposite may be true in western world considering there’s a FIERCE dogma with marriage.

  • Fen Y

    I like how the people that are angry that GLBT people exist are making complete nonsense up to cling to their narrative that such characters shouldn’t be in games.

    The lies spread here are a bit over the top, people. And lying about this isn’t helping your point or your desperate need to not have any gay characters anywhere.

    All that happened was someone making a polite and entire reasonable request. Looks like they got it granted. Good.

    If this request was anything else, you’d not be this angry about it. Say, a harder difficulty setting, or moogles being playable.

    It is very telling that the moment such a request is GLBT related, people explode and whine about evil “demanding GLBT” people.

    • Scipio

      Because an increase difficulty setting would have more to do with the game, then LGBT causes.

  • Istillduno

    Remember when a guy could make a game to be fun and wouldn’t be harrassed by social justice assholes for not turning a form of entertainment into their bloody soapbox?

    Some people need to get the fuck over themselves, if you want to express a political view through art or entertainment media then make or commisiion it yourself.

    People not allowing gay marriage in real life is a problem, censorship of media depicting gays or allowing you to play as a gay person would be a problem, an mmo banning people for being gay would be a problem, games coming out which aren’t specifically taylored to totally cater for every special little snowflake out there are not a fucking problem.

    • Ryker

      The fallacy in your argument is that you somehow think that games should be excluded from the same standards as other types of media. Exposure leads to understanding and acceptance. It’s not a bad thing to ask for greater representation of marginalized groups.

      • Istillduno

        Same standards?

        You joking or what, I don’t see people throwing hissy fits when groups aren’t catered to by a certain musician or film maker, I don’t see (book) writers being given quotas for causes they should champion games are no different.

        No-one’s saying you shouldn’t make a game where you can be gay, shit, several already exist, what I’m saying is, you don’t have the right to try and force someone else to soapbox your shit for you and shit all over them when they aren’t.

        If you have a point you want to make through a medium please remember that getting that point accross is no-one’s responsibility but your own.

        • Ryker

          Nintendo has always stated that they want their games to be playable by everyone. Google it, they’ve said it many times over the years. They aren’t simply catering to a certain audience. They intended to cater to the greater audience, to everyone, but they made a slight oversight during the development process and further escalated with their initial response to gay-marriage in tomodachi life, as though it was a social commentary issue that they weren’t going to touch, effectively alienating a portion of their fanbase, and setting off the firestorm that followed.

          I don’t see how including gay marriage in Tomodachi life is forcing ones beliefs on other people. They could choose not to get gay-married if that was their choice. By including gay marriage from the get go would’ve done nothing but bring more players in to experience this charming little title, in a manner befitting to the players personal preference. I don’t see the harm in that and I don’t see the political statement being made. Some people really are just convinced that being gay isn’t a thing and that it’s still a political agenda, huh?

          I don’t think equal representation in a modern society is an issue of self-righteousness. It’s a civil issue, and democratic societies should lead the charge in supporting inclusiveness in all mediums.

          • Istillduno

            You missed the point completely

            Demanding they include it and dragging them over the coals like they commited some enourmous crime against humanity by not doing so is where the fucking problem is.

            If that shit had been included from the start fine, no problem here, but starting a fucking crusade against Nintendo because it wasn’t is over entitled fuckwittery at it’s finest.

            And at the end of the day marriage isn’t even the fucking point of the title.

            It just seems like all that “Women vs Tropes” feminism vs gaming bull**** re-packaged and dug back up for round two, and it’s just as dumb now as it was then.

          • Ryker

            People weren’t mad that they didn’t include it in the first place, they were upset that Nintendo reduced the desire for same-sex marriage to “social commentary”. Being told that a valid desire for inclusion is ‘social commentary’ is downright appalling. It’s no more an issue of entitlement than the integration of traditional marriage is. Sure, Nintendo is a japanese company who made this game for a different audience, but there is no excuse for ignorance in the age of the internet, especially when you’re a big-named company who has expanded your audience into different markets. Anyways, this topic is dead and buried as it has already been resolved. I suggest you go and watch Jim Sterling’s Tomodachi Strife video(with lots of mii fliration footage) as he said it better than I could have’. Note that he was misinformed about the same-sex bug that inadvertently caused other game breaking issues, but he has since acknowledged the oversight.

            I’m not carrying on with this anymore. There are still people who, after all of the valid opinions expressed, refuse to acknowledge that there was even a matter of concern. It’s not my job to drive this point home. I implore everyone to do their own digging to see that there was more than meets the eye with particular incident.

  • It should’ve just been included. I’ll buy the next one.

  • GuyAlpha

    This game should support polygamy. Its a lifestyle too you know.

  • Go2hell66

    hahaha thumbnail pic is perfect

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