If You Want To Play A Female Character In The Legend of Zelda, Let Nintendo Know

By Ishaan . June 12, 2014 . 4:00am

Speaking with Game Informer at E3, Zelda series producer Eiji Aonuma shared some brief thoughts on the trailer that Nintendo showed off for The Legend of Zelda on Wii U. Aonuma says that he’s been hearing people say that they think Link is a lady now.

 

“That might be something that consciously we kind of did, but not to say anything specific—I am not saying anything specific—but, I am hoping people continue to comment, and I will continue to follow the fan comments and reactions to the trailer,” Aonuma said.

 

“I am certainly curious, and I am sure there are things we as developers can glean.”

 

Meanwhile, speaking with MMGN, Aonuma clarified that his earlier comment about the character in the trailer not being Link was more of a joke.

 

“Actually that comment I made jokingly,” he said. “It’s not that I said that it wasn’t Link. It’s that I never said that it was Link. It’s not really the same thing, but I can understand how it could be taken that way.”

 

Aonuma also stated that he doesn’t want people to focus too much on Link’s appearance in the game.

 

“I don’t want people to get hung up on the way Link looks because ultimately Link represents the player in the game,” he said. “I don’t want to define him so much that it becomes limiting to the players. I want players to focus on other parts of the trailer and not specifically on the character because the character Link represents, again, the player.”

 

Of late, Nintendo have been making a very conscious effort to include more playable female characters in their games. Since Nintendo have always maintained that Link is supposed to be an avatar for the player, including a female variant would make sense, and judging by Aonuma’s comments, he’s open to the idea.

 

The Legend of Zelda for Wii U is planned for release in 2015.


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  • Cody

    My girlfriend is a mega Zelda fan and she is glad Link is not a girl. Her words, “There’s plenty of games where people can play as a girl, so why change Link?”

    Playing as a female CHARACTER, though, whole different story….

    • Addy

      Well, all the Links aren’t the same Link… so I don’t think having one in a game being female would hurt too much. I don’t think Nintendo/Zelda fans are the type to riot over one game having a female Link.

      • Cody

        Yeah but again, Link is reincarnated, he has been a boy in every game, why change it? Can you give me any reason to change it?

        • Addy

          Easy Answer: Because it’s entirely possible and he can easily be reincarnated as a girl.

          Better answer: Because representation is necessary in video games. Do you want to know why many girls are turned off from video games? Because all they see is buff white men. How many female video game characters are truly notable in the public eye? The only one is Lara Croft. Other female main characters are quickly pushed to the side, either by gamers themselves or publishers, such as with Remember Me. Have you ever seen that video of a black woman crying when she saw Princess Tiana in a Disney parade, happy because there was finally a Disney princess of color, and that as a little girl she felt left out because there were no princesses of color? It’s the same thing with video games. Female gamers and LGBT gamers feel left out because more often than not they are playing a straight white male. And when they bring this up? “sexuality isn’t important” “gender isn’t important” but yet, when they DO make these characters, it DOES become important because the straight white males complain about them.

          • Cody

            That’s weird, I know a lot of girls who play a lot of video games and they seem to have no trouble finding girl characters to play as, and they don’t complain about playing as men either.

          • Addy

            There are not nearly enough games with girl main characters. For ever 10 games with a male MC you have one or two female main characters. I know tons of girls that want more representation, but are also fine with playing guys sometimes.

    • Bakuryukun

      I disagree. If the point of Link is to connect to the player as an avatar having different genders seems like a good idea. Also as far as character is concerned variety is good and a female Link hasn’t been done yet, I’d be interested in it.

      From either perspective I feel it would be interesting.

      • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

        And heres where the problems come in. Link has always been predetermined to be male. Once he becomes female it changes the Zelda lore already set in place. Devolpers shouldn’t have to change the gender of a well established character just so you can identify yourself with them simply because of gender.

        • earth_worm_jim

          I’m sorry but that’s bullshit. Nowhere in the Zelda lore does it claim that all Links must be male. And even then the myth only applies to ONE Link, not all of them. The reason is because each and every new Zelda game ADDS to the lore, and can take place at any time in the timeline. What’s important is that Link be courageous and heroic, and that’s it, every Link in every Zelda game that isn’t a direct sequel is a different character from the one in another.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            Well lets see. He’s been male in every game for the last 25 yrs. He’s referred to as a hero not heroine. Oh Skyward sword tells of a cycle of Link, Zelda, and Ganon all being reincarnations of the first Link, Zelda and Demise. It’s already predetermined.

          • brostar

            Hero doesn’t refer to men only. “heroine” is actually a silly term because hero can be used to describe females to. I have heard women be referred to as heroes before.
            And the Skyward Sword plot (thanks for spoiling that). Well reincarnation doesn’t adhere to gender of the original. Female Link can be a reincarnation of original Link. Besides they can alter the timeline which they do in every new game.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            Sure it does, chief. Just like men are heriones, right? I didn’t spoil anything the game has been out for a few yrs.

          • Guest

            okay let me spoil you what happens in Game of Thrones Season 1-3 then it is just a few years old.. just stop it

          • Asura

            You are incredibly insecure with the thought of the next Link reincarnation being female. Incredibly insecure.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            Insecure, nope. No need to make him female when we have Zelda. By your on logic you’re insecure that he’s a male every time. Don’t bring your feelings into this by projecting.

          • earth_worm_jim

            Actually I think that you’re the one whose projecting. And judging by your arguments thus far, YOU’RE the one whose insecure about the idea of a Link being female. So far all of your arguments have been complete bullshit. You claim that making Link will mess up with the “lore”, even though the “lore” is changes with each and every new Zelda game. Each and every Link is a different character, and are not reincarnations of the same soul, but rather his courage and kind heart attributes. By claiming that a female can’t be a Link you are essentially are saying that a female cannot ever hold these attributes.
            You try to bring up the fact that Link is referred to as hero, but that word is also technically gender neutral, and can be used for females as well, considering the term heroine is only used in a META sense. As in you could say ” She is the heroine the tale” but you wouldn’t say ” You’re my heroine”. Not to forget that again such descriptions only about specific Links, not all of them. Its grammar.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            Yup I’m an insecure male simply because I’m against changing Link’s gender, excellent logic. Go look it up. The goddess Hylia reincarnated all Link’s based the hero she remembered him as. Every game refers to the hero as male. Stop trying to muddy the water because it doesn’t suit you. Like I told other people, if they made Zelda playable, which they have done in the past. I would have no problem. Link will always be male, just like Zelda will be female. If you can’t handle that oh well, not my problem.

          • Emd23

            No. The only one who is defined is Hylia. It’s explicitly stated that Hylia will be reincarnated again and again, which locks her as Zelda. Whereas what reincarnates from Link and Demise are Link’s courageous, heroic spirit and Demise’s hatred. Those are traits, not people. Link and Demise’s reincarnations could be Zoras, Muppets, Gorons, Goombas, it doesn’t matter. It just so happens that it was a blonde, white, blue-eyed male for Link because gaming has been progressive for all of 7 years and Japan loves making their heroes look western and it’s a patriarchal society . You want proof? Look at Ganondorf. He’s Demise’s reincarnation and he’s…a human Gerudo, not a demon.

            Do I actively WANT a female Link? No, not really. But I would not be opposed, nor would it contradict anything.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            Show me anywhere in the series where it suggests Link is a girl. I’ll give you an entire lifetime to do it.

          • Emd23

            This literally makes no sense. What are you trying to say?

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            Link is always male. Why does this bother people?

          • Emd23

            The only one bothered here is you, that he could be a female character. Now stop deflecting the debate, or at least make a better attempt of being subtle at it, because right now the fact that you have nothing to counter the fact that what reincarnates is his courage and not Link himself is as obvious as Kotaku’s click-bait headlines. Twilight Princess is all you need. If what reincarnated was Link’s soul, it would IMPOSSIBLE for the Hero of Time to train Twilight Link, but he does.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            At the end of the day he is a male. Zelda is one favorite video games characters, if she was playable I would have no problem.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            At the end of the day his past selves have been male he doesn’t have to be male.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            Give me a good reason as to why he needs to be a female.

          • Emd23

            They didn’t say that he HAS to be female. You’re really threatened by this judging by how you sound like you’re being persecuted lol

            It’s that you’re saying he CAN’T be as per the game’s lore, which is complete bullshit and the games itself spit on the idea that he can’t be female by letting you know his soul isn’t reincarnated.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            How am I thereaten by it when I’m in favor of female playable characters? Again, you don’t need Link to be a girl. Give him a sister, a mother etc.

          • Emd23

            A game where Zelda has to rescue Link?

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            Sounds fine to me.

          • Scourge626

            It’s their souls that are reincarnated which doesn’t mean they have to be the same gender each time. They just chose to do as such for familiarity.

          • earth_worm_jim

            Again, let me reiterate every single Zelda game adds in a NEW, part to the story. Also reincarnation doesn’t guarantee that the gender will remain the same.

            FYI Ganon however isn’t a reincarnation, its the same Ganon. Only Link and Zelda reincarnate not Ganon.

        • Bakuryukun

          Point to me exactly where it says that Link will forever and always be a male. Demise doesn’t say anything about it. Demise talks about a spirit of a hero. He never says anything about that spirit always being in a boy. Hell he never even says anything about only going after the women (named Zelda) in the royal family. He specifically only says: The Blood of the Goddess (which is anyone in the royal family) and the spirit of the hero.

      • Miss_Madness

        The main and biggest problem is that it’s the most shallow change you could possible make. Like being a Girl or a boy doesn’t change Link as a character. It doesn’t make him more or less interesting character. He’d just be a different gender with the same personality. I’m not sure why people wouldn’t want to play as Zelda since she is unique and tends to have a different personality and skill set.

        Girl link would be the most shallow way to make a change without making an actual progressive change.

        • Touma

          “doesn’t change link as a character” EXACTLY! being male or female doesn’t change how good the character is just personality traits. the fact that link had very little personality traits in the first place gives even more reason to the “why not?” line of reasoning.

          whats a better message then “does it matter?”. sure, an entirely new character to play as that happens to female would be interesting, but if the story they want to tell requires the character to be link. then “why not” make link female or give the option to do so. won’t change a damn thing except “he” or “she”

        • Asura

          In the absence of everything else, “Why not?” is ALWAYS a better train of thought to motivate an action than “Well, it’s always been done this way.”

        • Bakuryukun

          If it was done with care it wouldn’t be shallow. Men and women do not have the same exact experiences in life, people interact with you differently and treat you differently, there is a lot of potential for interesting ideas. Also, let’s not forget that even amongst the ALL male links we’ve had so far there have been differences in their characterization, they are for the most part, not even the same people. (Though I’d also argue Link is stuck in some sort of uncanny valley between personal avatar and actual fleshed out character, but really that’s it’s own different topic.

      • Cody

        “If the point of Link is to connect to the player as an avatar having different genders seems like a good idea.”

        Why? You’re gonna alienate 50% of the population no matter what so you might as well stay consistent so that people grow attached to the character’s essence.

        • Bakuryukun

          If having a character be one gender ACTUALLY alienated 50% of the population I don’t think female Zelda fans would be as plentiful as they are.

          I’m perfectly okay with a male link, but I’d also be perfectly okay with a female link…but seeing as we haven’t had a one yet I’m a bit more partial to seeing the latter.

  • Arkana

    Link might be a representation of the player, but he’s always been a distinctive character by himself. Making a female Link feels too out of place, I’d rather they just make a new character.

    • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

      I agree.There is no legit reason to change his gender.

      • Kumiko Akimoto

        Isn’t he reincarnated each time so wouldn’t it make sense if his gender isn’t always the same?

        • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

          Edit: No

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            So you agree that changing his gender wouldn’t matter?

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            Crap, I misread your comment. No he’s a boy. Leave it at that…

          • brostar

            But he is reincarnated every time. Reincarnation does not adhere to gender of the original.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            Hmmm… Hmmm… But he is male tho.

          • Scourge626

            Only to keep things familiar. Other than that, Link’s a blank slate.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            His past selves were boys yes but there’s nothing say he needs to stay a boy.

          • John Diamond

            just do what marvel did and make a miles morales.
            or in other words, another character entirely. They killed off peter parker, and replaced him. they didn’t reboot the marvel universe and make peter black, they made an entirely new person.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            Or you could do what every other reincarnation series does and make each new main character different then the last. You know cause that’s a how Legend of zelda works last time I checked.

          • John Diamond

            Or just do what i said above. you haven’t really told me why my idea isn’t good, you just re-iterated your point

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            Because you’re ignoring the fact that link isn’t like a marvel character.

          • John Diamond

            well, that’s the magical things about comparisons.
            they don’t have to be the same thing in order to compare

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            But you’re trying to compare him to a marvel character as way to show that he shouldn’t be changed but unlike a marvel character he isn’t a completely defined person and has many looks and personalities quirks to him.

          • David García Abril

            “Avatar” is not “every other reincarnation series”.

            There are plenty of works that maintain the gender of reincarnating characters.

            “Xenogears” anyone?

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            You do know that doesn’t really discredit the fact that they could do it if they wanted to because the concept of reincarnation allows for it.Who’s to say if they ever brought the series back that they wouldn’t do such a thing.

          • David García Abril

            That’s another thing. So far most of those in favor of a gender swap for Link try to disguise it as some sort of meaningful argument when actually all of they come down to is “Because why not?”

            And you know what? In other circumstances, I’d agree. But here’s the thing: there are other options for a female protagonist that are just as, if not even more progressive than falling into the “Mrs. Dude” trap for the bijillionth time.

          • Jettythesunfish

            A genderswap only applies if you change the sex of a character. Link is not ONE character, but many incarnations of a heroic individual. Meaning there is a chance for one to be female as well.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            The argument is that there’s no reason that he can’t be a girl or that there can’t be choose in what gender he is in the new game.
            A character creator also doesn’t produce the Mrs.Dude trope and your silly for even bringing that up.

          • Stephen

            They didn’t need to. That Peter Parker was from an alternate reality. One that I believe had declining sales throughout all of the books in that particular line, so they decided to shake things up by killing Peter Parker, a whole bunch of that line’s version of the X-men, and turning that version of Reed Richards completely evil.

            Miles it seems, is just one of the many replacement characters that the “Ultimate” line of Marvel books introduced to fill in the shoes of characters they killed off. We also have thing like Wolverine’s son Jimmy.

          • John Diamond

            urgh gosh, it was annoying. I didn’t mind the change all that much, i found it unnecessary. One thing i found irksome was how some journalists attempted to paint anyone who wanted normal peter parker as racists

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            Are you talking about the half black spiderman cause I was sure he came in after peter died.

          • natchu96

            And as far as ancient civilizations and religions cared you can reincarnate as anything from a cockroach to a tree.

            Okay, to them becoming a girl was a massive downgrade, and nobody really likes that, but it still makes perfect sense.

        • icedearthaholic

          My take? Make Zelda playable, give her a quest of her own that coincides with Link’s quest. That right there would give the game more replayability. Instead of gender-bending Link, we have something that moves it beyond “Rescue the Princess” and presents something a million times bigger than it, like saving all of Hyrule from total destruction.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            Why can’t we have both honestly?

          • icedearthaholic

            How do you mean?

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            Why can’t we have an extra mission with zelda and have a customizable link?

          • Clifford Pierre Louis

            Just to clarify gender-bending only applies when the character in question is specified to only one gender by the creator or the lore of the world. However the lore of Legend of Zelda makes it clear that only the soul of the hero is what is passed on through the generations(and also with the holders of the Tri-force, if you are worthy you will receive it), so technically it’s only been “luck of the draw” so far that link has only been a male so far(at least in the world) and we could have just as easily had a prince Zelda and it would not be “gender-bending”. Just for the people who keep calling this gender-bending :P

          • Linhua

            … all of this with all my heart.

          • WyattEpp

            Hell, I’d STILL totally be down for Tetra’s Humongous Treasure Adventure.

          • oorum

            Omg yes.

          • http://vindictushots.tumblr.com/ Okuni-chan

            I would LOVE this! Let me play as Zelda!

        • AndyLC

          So’s the Dalai Lama, but they’re always reincarnated as males for some reason. The Dorje Pakmo is the Tibetan line of female Buddha reincarnations. There hasn’t been a female Dalai Lama, and there hasn’t been a male Dorje Pakmo.

          • DragKudo

            heh wow that was fast i had a funny joke too. :(

          • MaidKillua

            If you believe in all that, of course. We are talking about fictional characters here. There’s really no comparison to be made

        • https://twitter.com/LLCoolOyd Lloyd

          “There’s no legit reason to change his gender”, There’s no legit reason why Link is a boy in EVERY game. Reincarnation doesn’t adhere to gender, so Link turning to a girl would make sense. It wouldn’t hurt to try it at least once lol.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            That’s what I’ve been saying

          • https://twitter.com/LLCoolOyd Lloyd

            I know. I was just backing you up lol.

      • BleuVII

        Just don’t take away the midriff and the braid. Wait… wrong game. Dang it.

    • Altin

      Exactly. Ain’t nothing to fix that is not even broken to begin with.

      • 愛憎

        I’ve always found that to be a very reactionary, anti-progressive way of thinking. Things changing over time makes life interesting!

        • Altin

          And I am in no way against things changing. But the thing is, that this is always up to the developers creating the game. I welcome change as much as you probably do, but I’d hate to force it upon someone who has no intention of doing so.

          If they are open for suggestions, I sure as hell won’t stop anyone from asking them for a change, I just wouldn’t like the idea to force changes just because something in the past was seen as subjectively wrong. I never heard people complain about previous Zelda entries, at least not as far as genders were concerned and that is really what I meant with “If it ain’t broken, there is no need to fix it.”

          What I just tend to see nowadays is that SJW’s take it upon themselves to pre-emptively judge a game solely by the fact what kind of characters are portrayed in these games, rather than looking for whether the game is interesting or not. If I buy a game, I surely as hell won’t drop it, just because it happens that the main character is male instead of female. I think some people (not all people, mind you) are trying to see too much political aspects in gaming, forgetting the fact that games are first and foremost an emodiment of entertainment, if nothing else. And just as a disclaimer: People that complain about genders in something as trifling as video games are not feminists in my point of view. People that complain about gender roles in issues that concern real life problems like politics or job equality or female who risk their life for such ideals, those are in my own view feminists.

          • Asura

            How can anybody force game creators to do anything?

            You’re just using inane apologetics to maintain the status quo, and then doing the “true _____” crap, where whoever doesn’t fit your personal definition of ____ isn’t ____.

            Knock it off; you claim to not be against things changing but your comment indicates the exact opposite.

          • Altin

            Well, for instance there was that whole deal with that GoW-Ascension trophy. Not my best example I could have come up with, but one example of forcing someone via outrage to change something in a game. A more recent example would be Assassin’s Creed: Unity. One article had the headline: “There were more decapitated heads than female presenters during the E3″. They can’t force them per se, but they can make sure that some developer can backpedal their ideas like crazy.

            Well, that’s just how it seems to me as of now. Back when I played MM or OoT, the least thing that I heard was:”Why is Link a male character?” or “Why can’t we play as Zelda?”. What I usually heard the most during that time was “Which game was better?”. And usually this ended up in long discussions each time.

            I didn’t claim to be not against things, I am not against things changing. What I just seem to notice is that the original idea of creators for certain games are frequently asked to either alter their story or to change it to such a degree so a certain audience cannot for some reasons, feel bad for playing it. And that really is my problem: I simply do not care about any political outrages that some people start to have with current-gen games. If the developer gives me a female character to play with, cool. I never have the urge to get annoyed if I play with male characters or feel that x-genre needs more of the opposite gender. In simpler terms: I welcome changes, but I surely won’t be one of the guys to go directly to the director and try to shove my opinion of genders down their throat. And what I really find funny with the kind of your types is that you like to twist and turn each of my sentences in the hope that you can fully derail my previous statement. I just see games for what they are supposed to be made of, and for that reason I will never call anyone who complains about this issue a feminist. If I see an ant, I see an ant and not an elephant. There is one “feminist” that complains just by seeing a Mario Kart 8 cover about female integrity and there is one feminist that actively participates in a political party in the hope to represent the opinions of her kind in a real government. There is one “feminist” seeing that a line inside a video game instantly implies that the writer is in favour of rape, and there is another feminist group that risk their life to do non-authorized live performances to deliver a political statement. In simpler terms: For me, it’s really the difference between playing a feminist and being one.

          • 愛憎

            I think you may need to learn more about feminism, then. I was with you until you said “People that complain about genders in something as trifling as video games are not feminists in my point of view.”

            Video games influence people, even if it isn’t an overt influence. The portrayal of men and women in media is a major aspect of feminism, in fact.

          • Altin

            Then we have different opinions on video games. I play them for the first and foremost reason to be entertained. There are valid complains in many topics that are depicted in some of the games, but then there are tons of interpretations from such “feminists” that make me think whether they even care how the game itself is.

            To cut it short: I really dont care about these issues. Games are never fully able to reflect cultural and racial aspects of a certain society, not even literature is able to convey that to a 100%. If I encounter stereotypes or anything of that sort, I will just sigh, nothing else. If I play games, I want to see how the story world is, how the gameplay itself is like. If other people set their priorities to analyze every single detail about the portrayal of female characters, then so it may be. I simply dont roll that way.

          • 愛憎

            My primary desire is playing the game its own merits as a game, of course, but there’s nothing wrong with analyzing a medium beyond its value as an experience for entertainment. When I watch Japanese TV, I can simultaneously be entertained and offended by antiquated representations of other cultures or the LGBT community. Most of the time, the issues in games aren’t big enough that they would hurt my opinion of the game as a whole, and this holds true with Zelda. I don’t find Zelda to be offensive at all, and Zelda herself is a badass woman.

            I’m arguing against the backlash of the male-centric gaming community that seems to attack societal progression at every turn. I wouldn’t have even argued for a female character in the Zelda series, had Nintendo not brought it up. It’s fine if things stay the same with Zelda, but the gaming industry as a whole still needs to make a lot of changes. I’m afraid I’m preaching to deaf ears, though, considering the “I really dont care about these issues” remark.

    • 愛憎

      Why is it out of place? It’s not even the same Link each time. I think it’s incredibly believable that one of the heroes of time would be a woman.

      • Arkana

        Link is an already existing character, sure there have been “several Links” but they are all still representations of the same character. Would you make Mario female?

        • 愛憎

          That’s a strange comparison. One series has different protagonists in different timelines, while the other is the same character every time. I think it would be more fair to ask me if I would change one of the famous Marvel or DC characters’ gender, or make a Princess of Persia. I would be completely fine with that.

          Really, though, I think Spider-man is a perfect representation for this argument. He’s based on the same character even more so than Link is. He has personality and dialogue, but they’ve changed him many times. Hell, they (Ultimate Spider-man well known spoiler) even killed him off and replaced him with a new, Black Spider-man. And you know what? It was awesome.

          • John Diamond

            but they made an entirely new character. they didn’t reboot the whole universe and make peter parker black.

          • 愛憎

            I see what you’re saying. I suppose Links between games seem just as different to me.

        • Jettythesunfish

          Mario doesn’t have reincarnations….

      • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

        We already have a female protagonist, Zelda. She’s arguably the most important character in the series. Just make her a playable character it makes no sense to make Link a girl.

        • 愛憎

          If it’s just for one game, what’s the problem? Get rid of the anachronistic “man saves the princess” trope, and try something progressive. That sounds pretty sweet to me. Two badass women fighting against (possibly) Ganondorf? Fuck yeah.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            Yeah and I suppose changing the gender of other characters like Mario, Megaman, Sonic etc is cool as long as its for one game. LoZ has plenty of female characters to make playable.

          • 愛憎

            We can have a discussion about this without being aggressive or condescending. Those games aren’t the same, though. It’s always the same Mario, Sonic, and Mega Man (in the main series, anyway).

            Sonic also, unfortunately, talks, so it’s not as simple of a change. I don’t think Link has much personality (not being negative or insulting–just an observation), and there are different timelines. Considering those two factors, I think one game having a female Link wouldn’t really be problematic.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            In what way am I being aggressive? How would being a girl give him personality? Every time I read your comments in makes me question if you have ever played LoZ. Zelda has plenty of personality it would be a better idea to make her playable to see the story from her perspective instead of making Link a girl.

          • 愛憎

            I just thought the sarcasm was unnecessary because trying to dismantle an argument like that doesn’t lead anywhere interesting.

            I wasn’t arguing that becoming female would give him personality; I was arguing that the lack of personality makes his character model interchangeable with genders (or races, too). I have indeed played Zelda. I’ve played almost all of them, in fact, but I don’t think that makes much difference.

            I’m fine with Zelda being the protagonist, or even not. It could stay the same as always, and that’s cool, too! I’m just stating that having a female Link wouldn’t be as problematic as many others think. I’m having trouble comprehending the thought process for “another playable female character is fine, but don’t make Link female.” It’s like, “Link has to be a man, because that’s what he’s always been. Link is strong, courageous, and has masculine traits!” That just seems like a fallacy to me, that a female couldn’t fill that role.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            I’m done have a good day!

          • Scourge626

            The person is not saying making Link a woman would give that character a personality. What’s being said is that because Link (as a character, not a male) has no personality there wouldn’t be any difficulty transitioning him into a female if they did the same thing and not make her talk. It would be a nice nod to the female gamers and they could always just have people choose between male and female. But a game with Zelda as the lead would also be ideal.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            How about we just get rid of gender as a whole? Samus is girl, I have no problem with that. She doesn’t need to be a boy for male gamers. I already said they should make Zelda playable.

          • 愛憎

            Male gamers are already properly representing in the gaming industry, so of course we don’t need a male Samus.

          • Cero

            But role reversal is fun.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            So wouldn’t it be better to once again, make Zelda playable or introduce new female playable characters. I thought I was done :O why. Does. Link. Need. To. Be. A. Girl? But seriously, have a good one.

          • 愛憎

            Link doesn’t need to be–I was only arguing for the possibility. No worries.

          • Scourge626

            The male gamers already get plenty of nods even with Samus as a female (she appears in a bikini when you beat the older games in a certain time and when she dies). And Samus is set as a female. Link is not especially as he reincarnates so it’s not impossible for him to be a female in another timeline. Also, as stated by the developers themselves, Link is nothing more than an avatar: “I want players to focus on other parts of the trailer and not specifically on the character because the character Link represents, again, the player.” So if the player is a girl, why can’t people decide to choose that?

          • Ciethe

            You definitely can’t do that. The reveal of Samus being a woman was literally a statement to all gamers. No one expected this or pictured this silent, hardcore exterminator to be a woman. It is a part of her identity and character. Link on the other hand is just the avatar for the Hero of Time in every game and is always different. It’s never stated the Hero can’t be a woman. Link is reincarnated differently every time. And sure, Zelda, has personality, but Link sure as hell doesn’t in comparison. He’s but an avatar for the player. I wouldn’t mind either way and I love Zelda, but I can’t say that having a female Link wouldn’t be incredibly interesting.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            One, we know Samus is a woman. There are plenty of kickass silent female protagonist but what purpose would it be to change their gender. All I’m asking people to do is to give me a reason why he needs to be a girl, not that his reincarnation can be a girl. Hero of the goddess/Hylia’s chosen hero, not the hero of time.

          • J_Joestar

            technically Megaman has had a female incarnation.
            Aile from Megaman ZX, and it is a closer comparison since the Megaman series also sort of follows a similar “Same world in vastly different eras” that the LoZ series does with a different Megaman in each, just that MM tends to have a number games for each time period.

          • Jettythesunfish

            Seriously? Would it be that big a deal if Link became a female this time around? You’re acting like this is something devastating.

            Also, your rebuttal makes no sense. Mario, MegaMan and Sonic don’t have reincarnations. It’s always the same Mario and the same Sonic. I suppose you could call Mega Man’s various appearances over the years “reincarnations”, but it’s not the same concept in this case.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            Give me a good reason he needs to be a girl? Should we change his race too?

          • Jettythesunfish

            Okay, dude what is your deal? Why are you so vehemently against the prospect of Link being female? Link is a reincarnation! It’s very much possible for the next hero of time to be female! No one is saying Link NEEDS to be female, but it’s highly possible that it can happen.

            It can’t happen with characters like Mario, Donkey Kong, Samus or Pit because they don’t have incarnations. They’re the same characters! But Link is always different; the Link from Wind Waker ISN’T the Link from Skyward Sword. Therefore it opens up the possibility of a Link being female hero!

            Try to be more open-minded.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            How many times have I said make Zelda playable? It makes no sense to change Link’s gender. I don’t care, give him a daughter, sister, aunt whatever.

          • MaidKillua

            You’re saying it makes no sense to change Links gender when actually, it totally does. It makes perfect sense in every way that it possibly could make sense. Just because you don’t like the idea DOES NOT mean it “doesn’t make sense”. Also, Link is the main character of the Zelda franchise. Making Zelda playable would either require changing that (in which case, why not just make Link female?), making a new series (in which case, not a female protagonist in a Zelda game and the whole point has been wasted), or have two playable protagonists (which would be a COMPLETE waste of time if they didn’t have separate stories, and extend the already lengthy development period if they did). Female Link is blatantly the best option from ALL angles

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            Link is the one of three main characters that center around the story. Link, Zelda, and Ganon. It’s called the LoZ for a reason not the legend of Link. Each three characters would work as playable characters. Your comment like many others suggest you’ve never played a LoZ game.

          • MaidKillua

            My comment, like many others, seems to have deeply confused you and led to you questioning the validity of said comments without having any real point to back up your opposition. And I, as I presume everyone else already did, am going to give up on attempting to make sense of your thought process

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            Mhm. Me so confused.

          • dotdotdot

            Seriously though! It would give them way more plot possibilities than just making Link a lady. 100x this.

          • JackNapper

            I dont know if you played Skyward Sword but it’s been made that every Link that will ever appear and has Appear is a reincarnation of the Hero from Skyward, as with every Zelda a descendant of the bloodline, and Ganon a curse from Demise’s hatred for Link.

            And Addressing Ciethe you said “Zelda, has personality, but Link sure as hell doesn’t in comparison. He’s but an avatar for the player.” if that’s true then why would a female link be interesting if it would be exactly the same as the regular male Link? you would have to alter the game to make female link have a personality which wouldn’t be a blank slate for the avatar of player, and if your saying back story Link has had simple back-story in the games. What I think you want is better a story with plot and memorable characters not just a aesthetic change just for the hell it just because.

          • lemon

            Isn’t “woman saves the princess” basically the same thing but with a single gender swap? How is that progressive at all?

          • ChiffonCake

            If you really have to ask, then I have to assume that you probably wouldn’t understand the answer anyway.

          • lemon

            Nice cop out answer

          • ChiffonCake

            It’s really not that difficult. The subtext of “man saves woman” boils down gender relationships to women being weak and needing to be saved, and men being strong and having to protect women. Hopefully I don’t need to spell out why this is bad.

            Of course, this subtext would be completely absent from a “woman saves woman” story.

          • lemon

            So if Link saves Zelda, it’s obviously because Zelda is weak and not because Link is strong and courageous? I think you’re taking that too far, seeing as how Zelda has been portrayed to be important in the series beyond her need to be rescued. Her role as Sheik is an example of this.

          • ChiffonCake

            Yeah, just as I thought, you didn’t understand the answer.

          • lemon

            One man saving one woman is not indicative of men being stronger than women. You are the one making that statement.

          • Venus in Furs.

            Obvious =/= subtext

          • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

            It ultimately is not about their characters, but roles in context of society and norms. We know Zelda is capable, but doesn’t she look less capable if she needs saving all the time? Is she so weak that she can’t help herself? Maybe, maybe not. But ultimately, it just reinforces a norm.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            One woman is weak and the other is strong?
            Anyways I think that whole thing is completely hog wash considering that no one thinks of Zelda as a weak princess or at least they shouldn’t.
            Everyone can’t be physically strong nor can everyone escape every situation they get put in on their own.

          • 愛憎

            Most feminists in the gaming community think Zelda is a strong female character. I do, too.

          • idrawrobots

            How is that “bad”?

          • Jettythesunfish

            Hold on, hold on. I agree such a plot point is very cliche and overused (and more than a little annoying), but it doesn’t necessarily mean that the woman is weak (at least not entirely). Basically, the idea of the “man saves woman” plot is usually (not always) that the man loves and cares for the woman and would even sacrifice his very life to ensure that his loved one is safe. It’s the same idea with a “woman saves man” plot.

          • brostar

            Because it moves past the idea that women are weaker than men.

          • kyrt

            except if you actually gave zelda her own story about her saving link you would actually find that to be a lot more progressive than the game designers simply taking link and giving him an alternate gender. It would mean nothing since they wouldn’t alter the character or plot in anyway.

          • Cody

            Psst. Women are biologically different and weaker than men. They have less use for muscle than men do. They grow more fat, less muscle. They can be strong, but their potential is not the same as a man’s. That’s why Olympic women don’t outperform Olympic men in the same weight categories in the same sports.

          • 愛憎

            Well, no, it is not, actually. She doesn’t even need to be saved. Gender role reversals are fun! If you’re questioning having female leads in games being progressive, I recommend reading feminist essays on the subject. It’s an interesting topic!

          • lemon

            I like plenty of games with female main characters, like Touch Detective, Metroid, and Umihara Kawase. It’s because I am fine with either gender that I question people wanting to change games that have male leads to female ones. There are enough of both already.

          • 愛憎

            There really aren’t, though. The number of female lead characters in video games is astoundingly low. Consider the ones that aren’t ultra sexualized, and you have an exceedingly low number. Considering the high number of women playing video games, they should be properly represented with strong, female roles. Link is the perfect opportunity for that.

            Did you know that Ripley (the protagonist of Alien) was originally a character whom was written to be a male? When you strip those silly gender expectations, then you get some proper female representation.

          • lemon

            If you think that games don’t have enough female MCs, why not advocate new series with them being created instead of changing preestablished series?

          • 愛憎

            Because a pre-established series can influence the gaming industry far better.

          • lemon

            That would upset a lot of fans though who are accustomed to male Link. The creation of new series to appeal to people who want more female protagonists would let everyone be happy.

          • Venus in Furs.

            It may upset a lot of fans, but I’m sure it would make a lot of fans happy too. Why would Nintendo make a whole new series when they could just give the player the option to be male or female?

          • kyrt

            I would be for this if they happened to change the story slightly for each gender. As it is I’d rather have a single gender character than 2 different gender characters with the same personality and mannerisms. You actually push for a lack of proper female representation by just asking for a skin change. I think it would be much better to play as just one gender be it male or female as then the story can have a better focus and the characters will not seem as flat.

          • http://www.hamstapowah.com/ Zaron

            The reality is it would also sell considerably worse, because new franchises always do. And some group of fans or other is going to be upset either way; that’s how fans are anymore. You can’t please everybody, and someone is always going to lash out over something.

          • Venus in Furs.

            Just to be fair, a lot of people ARE advocating for more female representation in new games.

          • Scourge626

            People are. But there tend to be problems. Just look at “Remember Me”. The people who tried to make that game had to go through a slew of publishers who said the game would fail simply because the main character was a female. And when female characters do become the main character their game’s budget is cut by half.
            http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-19-why-publishers-refuse-games-such-as-remember-me-because-of-their-female-protagonists

          • gamebabble

            Ugh. You know I REALLY hate that outlook on it because it’s so ass backwards and really makes the game industry look more sexist than it really is. Female led games get half the budget does NOT mean the budget gets cut in half if a game has a female lead.

            What’s happening is that as budgets get bigger, you wind up with more investors with their fingers in the pie telling you “games with female characters don’t sell” thus strong arming you into switching the gender of the lead character.

            BUT! When a game remain low budget, it has less people investing money and having any input on the game and thus it can maintain it’s female lead.

          • Scourge626

            Either way, they are still working with less and when the game does fail everyone says, “I told you so” without realizing they were the ones that ruined the game by not giving it a chance.

          • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

            There can be room for both~.

          • John Diamond

            how does a woman being sexualised make them any less of a decent representation?

          • straightthrucru

            HNNG. I think I’m in love you! Siliconera needs a strong, pro-feminist voice and I am so glad that you are here to explain the importance of gender representation to people.

          • 愛憎

            Thanks for carrying on the discussion while I was busy these past two days. You make great points!

          • kyrt

            I actually would disagree with you. By stripping gender expectations you then get flat and static characters that do nothing unique. If there is an option for male and female character with the exact same story then I’ll have to pass as it means absolutely nothing. It just means they took the male character and gave him a female skin…if the story actually changed depending on picking male or female then I would be all in but I don’t see that.

            As far as the number of female lead characters being astoundingly low here’s a few I can think of just off the top of my head; Samus (metroid), Lara Croft (tomb raider), Aya Brea (parasite eve: ignore 3rd birthday focus on first 2), Kei Amakura, Rei Kurosawa, and Miku Hinasaki.(fatal frame), zoe and april ryan (dreamfall), fiona belli (haunting ground), jennifer (rule of rose), claire redfield (resident evil 2), rubi malone (wet), kate walker (syberia), faith (mirrors edge), chell (portal), alice (alice wonderland), aveline de grandpre, jade (beyond good and evil), female sheppard (ME series), rorona, totori, meruru (atelier arland trilogy), sarah kerrigan (star craft series), lightning (FFXIII ignore XIII-3), Ashe (final fantasy 12…the main character in the game is Ashe whereas the male player character is nothing more than a glorified narrator telling her story), odin sphere (all of the main characters are female), amaterasu (ookami), Zero (drakengard 3), lilith (borderlands), Kat (gravity rush) and according to steam there are over 150 steam games that have a female main protagonists). The characters listed above are only some characters that can be played by the player and all or most are very strong leads that are not overly sexualized…and then if we get into the games that are we have another 100 or so. Let’s not even get into the support characters that are female that are often better than the male main characters.

          • straightthrucru

            1. For every (debatably) non-sexualized female character you named, one could probably name 3 male ones.

            2. The thing you said about not playing games where the male and female options lead the same results was bad. Perpetuating ideas about strictly “male” and “female” behavior is exactly what we are looking to avoid. That’s sexism in a nutshell. We don’t want that.

          • JackNapper

            2. So are you saying males and females are not different?

          • straightthrucru

            2. Psychologically? No they aren’t. Obviously messages about masculinity and femininity shape us into behaving a specific way. The point here is to avoid spreading such messages. Hence, why more female protagonists (behaving no different than a male protagonist could) are empowering to have.

          • kyrt

            Physically characters (note did not say male or female but all people and all characters) are different and psychologically they are as well. Every single solitary thing would change a character and they would be slightly different with even one little fact changed about them.

            The entire situation in Ocarina of Time would have played out differently had Link been female or had the player been Zelda during the event with the Gerudo. Since you know the Gerudo treated men differently from women.

            If a world was being created by developers where gender was never an issue and no signs of mistreatment or difference in gender was notable in society then perhaps a game with no difference at all between male and female protagonists could work…in the confines of the LoZ we already know it is impossible without breaking part of the lore as we know it and then it’s not really a LoZ game anymore.

          • straightthrucru

            Right. And hey, since it is a fictional universe. That issue can be fixed at the drop of a hat. New game. New incarnate. New characters. New perspectives. I’m pretty sure this whole article is a testament to just how malleable this universe is, considering that they are requesting input from fans.

            You can’t seriously be arguing that the developers purposely intended for these games to be sexist, can you… like they made Link a boy thinking that only boys can be heroes and girls must be princesses so they should stick with it? Because if that’s what your argument boils down to, I’m a little concerned.

          • Cody

            If you think men and women are not psychologically different, especially due to the differences in hormones and the effects they have on the brain,
            you
            are
            clueless. Genetics shape 90% of people. Messages shape 10%.

          • straightthrucru

            Wow, dude. 90%? That is so ridiculous it’s almost funny. Have you actually done any research on this topic? Do you even know what a genetic allele does? This is exactly what I mean by gender messages. I’m doing my undergrad in evolutionary Biology and I can guarantee you that “genetics” has got nothing to do with it. The hormone thing you pulled out of thin air is actually the very RESULT of messages about biological determinism and the medicalization of women’s bodies. Aside from some very minor findings on wiring of the synapses, male and female brains work identically. Almost literally no difference. Disparities in hormone secretion like testosterone and progesterone do not affect behavior in any significant capacity. Do some actual research or go home. I’ll get you started: http://www.apa.org/research/action/difference.aspx

          • Cody

            “Disparities in hormone secretion like testosterone and progesterone do not affect behavior in any significant capacity.”

            This is how deep we are in academic denialism of the differences between men and women. Okay, keep denying everything we observe in nature and every respectable science journal on the subject published in the last, I dunno, 50 years from an unbiased source, gg. When you’re done flogging yourself over how smart you think you are, I don’t know, maybe go do some homework.

            Janet Hyde, are you serious? LMAO

            JANET HYDE HAHA this guy literally just sourced Janet fucking Hyde. Oh man is somebody playing a joke on me?

          • straightthrucru

            What? My source was from the APA itself.. you know, the largest scientific and professional organization of psychologists in the U.S. and Canada? And it clearly says that the findings were the result of dozens of peer-reviewed studies. Hell, what do you even know about Janet Hyde? Are you mentally sound? Have you actually disproved anything your reply?

            This is why I dislike associating with ignorant bigots on the internet. If you honestly don’t think gender is performed, or you even for a minute believe that masculine and feminine behavior in human society is not a social construct — then you are not even worth the time to “argue” with. The “everything we observe in nature” thing does not apply to complex human behaviors. Your minimalistic grasp on natural/sexual selection does not translate here.

            It’s kind of shocking that people can believe their personalities or intellect to be the result of their biological sex. Newsflash: Gender is not a transhistorical phenomenon. Men and women behave in drastically different ways around the world. Roles and behaviors are swapped in many native tribes and societies not affected by globalization. Are you aware that people born a specific sex identify as the opposite (or neither) gender everyday? Gender identity is fluid. There’s your damn proof. Like I said: Go home. It’s become very clear that you don’t know a thing.

          • M’iau M’iaut

            Off topic here folks — move on.

          • Cody

            So your idea of female representation is a man in a woman’s body, gotcha.

          • 愛憎

            No. I feel that you’re purposefully trying to misunderstand my argument–trying to believe that I’m just some idiot on the internet. You don’t need to do that, though. You can consider what I’m typing without being sarcastic. It’s all up to you, though.

            My ideal gender (not female, specifically) representation is one that sheds the gender “ideal” or typical representation of either gender. Men don’t have to be like Marcus Fenix from Gears of War, and women don’t have to be like every girl in Dead or Alive. A person’s existence is not always the sum of their gendered experience. A character can just happen to be a man or woman. I don’t think that it would matter in most games, if the character’s gender was reversed. Of course it depends on the story one is trying to tell.

          • Cody

            “My ideal gender (not female, specifically) representation is one that
            sheds the gender “ideal” or typical representation of either gender. Men
            don’t have to be like Marcus Fenix from Gears of War, and women don’t
            have to be like every girl in Dead or Alive.”

            There are tons of games that already do this.

          • 愛憎

            It’s not like I think they don’t exist, but I do think there are not many, especially compared to the “ideal” gender representation. They’re also definitely not what’s popular.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            I’d rather not

          • 愛憎

            Well, I hope that the gaming community is ready for proper female representation one day. I understand why you might want to not read essays, but I really do recommend learning more about the female perspective in the game industry.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            Well I am a woman so I don’t need to know how to write a female character and I’m not gonna take advice from someone else to try and tell me how to make my characters fit their idea of “proper representation”

          • Venus in Furs.

            I think you may have misunderstood. People are just advocating for representation, not “proper representation.” What 愛憎 was getting at is that the representation of females in video-games is in no way adequate.

            Women make up 48% of gamers (http://www.theesa.com/facts/pdfs/ESA_EF_2014.pdf,) yet this is not at all reflected within the gaming industry. Main characters are almost consistently male, and controversy arises whenever someone tries to bring it up. The way women are characterized is also problematic, with relatively few character tropes compared to their male counterpart, and few of those tropes actually flattering to women.

            There is no one type of woman, nor one true way to represent women. What people are advocating is for adequate and diverse representation.

          • Aquarius

            OK, I’m not trying to be rude or discredit the “facts” that you linked but, you mentioning that statement that women represent 48% of gamers does not or may not apply on a serious gaming website. Not because women can’t be ‘that’ 48%, but you know what 48% they are talking about. Yes, I’m referring to mobile games, Facebook games, PC visual/mistery novel games. Do you really think that they care about Link being a girl?

            I can tell you this from experience, 90% of women I know only play Candy Crush Saga, farmville or any other free game that pops up on Facebook/Appstore/Google play. The other 10% are women that play Xbox one/Xbox360/PS4/PS3/WiiUWiiU, so that 48% are mostly women that don’t care about these type of “problems” as they only use gaming as a quick distraction. And not only with people I know, I also used to work for a particular very well known gaming company call center as a supervising manager/team lead, and guess what? Almost all calls were made by male gamers.

            That was from my experience. Now, for my own opinion: Why do you want to interfere with an artist’s own creation? It’s up to them to decide how they want their own creation to play out. How would you feel, if you were an artist creating a story where you want your lead character to be a female (because that’s your vision for the story) and everyone starts judging you of being feminist, bla bla bla? I’ll leave that for you to think about.

            What I don’t like about today’s society is that they focus too much on “gender” instead of what characters stand for: Ideals. Link is a symbol, if you look for a characters ideals and not gender, trust me, you won’t care if the character is male only.

          • straightthrucru

            I don’t think that the “artist” you’re talking about should take offence if they are being “judged of being a feminist”. How people manage to take something empowering like feminism and apply negative connotation to it is beyond me.

            Also, we focus on gender because we live in a patriarchal society where messages about male dominance are perpetrated everywhere we look. This includes video games. People look at these things and they internalize them. If a young girl looks at these games and notices that the protagonists are mostly male, she may come to realize that heroines are abnormal or stay away from the videogame medium altogether. You may not think gender representation matters but that fact is that it really really really does.

          • Alexandra Cordes

            What’s wrong with playing visual novels…
            Girls can play more than one genre you know.

          • Aquarius

            And when exactly, did I say that was wrong?

          • Alexandra Cordes

            Not “wrong” and I mean no disrespect.
            “PC visual/mistery novel games. Do you really think that they care about Link being a girl?”
            It’s true that I don’t mind Link being male but it would be interesting to play as a female for once in the series.

          • Aquarius

            OK then, I thought you were offended by that statement, so I wanted to be clear.

            And by the way, you can play as Zelda on The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks for the Nintendo DS. She has a pivotal role on that game, and saves Link multiple times.

          • Venus in Furs.

            You are dismissing the published study I posted (another source with stats: http://www.statista.com/statistics/232383/gender-split-of-us-computer-and-video-gamers/) and making an argument that is not based on fact. You are dismissing the argument that women should be better represented in video-games because “that 48% are mostly women that don’t care about these type of “problems” as they only use gaming as a quick distraction,” which is just an assumption. Are you saying that since women (in your view) mainly play shitty mobile games, their opinions are invalid?

            As far as ‘interfering with the artist’s creation,’ well; read the article’s title. I think that thinking about these issues is part of the artist’s job.

            Here’s an article that may be helpful:

            http://www.theguardian.com/technology/commentisfree/2014/feb/19/video-games-need-more-women-female-characters

          • Aquarius

            Do you even check the links you post and make sure they work before you rely on them?

            The link you posted on that comment does not work. So, of course I dismissed it, and took the 48% you mentioned as the main reason you linked that article. Also I’ve read a lot of articles about those studies and looked at multiple surveys (sorry, no links) and also based my opinion on that.

            That’s my opinion, and that’s your opinion, none of us are correct.

            Also, I’m surprised that you, as a fellow artist, think that they have to think about these “problems” and even say that its part of their job, before applying their imagination. What I think a true artist is, is someone that creates from the heart, imagination and ideals without relying on social “standards” or overblown, and sometimes dramatized, innacurate and capricious social “demand”.

            That’s my opinion only, your opinion is also very valid.

            Have a good day! :)

          • Venus in Furs.

            Sorry, I had added a few characters to the link by accident:

            http://www.theesa.com/facts/pdfs/ESA_EF_2014.pdf

            Like I said, it sounds like what you’re saying is that women’s representation in video-games doesn’t really matter because (you assert) women mainly play casual games anyway.

            I’m just saying that’s wrong. Saying “it’s just my opinion, dude” does not mean what you say is beyond criticism. I don’t want to sound like I’m attacking you personally, but you act like someone determined to dig their head in the sand and pretend like the issue doesn’t exist, because it doesn’t really affect you and it makes you feel uncomfortable.

            Women’s representation IS currently one-sided: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_representation_in_video_games and I think, in light of that, that it’s important to be open to improvement; and to even take steps in that direction.

            Right now we’re talking about a beloved character who acts as an avatar for the player, and I think it would make a lot of people happy if their own gender was available for that avatar.

            As far as artistry goes; I don’t believe there’s anything like a ‘true artist,’ so I wouldn’t be able to tell you what being a ‘true artist’ is about. I can tell you that our “hearts and ideals” don’t exist in a vacuum, though, and I think that’s an important thing to keep that in mind when creating. I try to be mindful of what I’m communicating in art, and I expect other artists to do the same.

            I’m not telling you, or game designers what they should be imagining, I’m just sharing my view.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            Saying they are characterizeed in a problematic way is the same thing as saying that we aren’t getting proper representation.

          • straightthrucru

            And what’s wrong with wanting proper representation, anyway?

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            Nothing but it’s bad when people try to tell me how I should be properly represented.

          • Venus in Furs.

            As I mentioned, I don’t think there’s a ‘correct’ way to represent women, but I know there IS a problem with how women are represented in video-games though.

            See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_representation_in_video_games

            I hope this clarifies what I meant. Nobody wants to tell you ‘how’ to be a woman, or ‘what it means’ to be a woman.

          • Roman Monaghan

            “There’s no ‘right’ way, but there are wrong ways! And those ways are ‘in any way that doesn’t fit my narrow view of what women should be.’”

            You know what /I/ hate about this discussion? The fact there’s no pleasing you fucking people. You scream and kick and cry and demand more female protagonist, and when they happen, you rip them apart because they aren’t “good representation.”

            You don’t want more female characters with flaws and depth and all that good character shit. You want mary sues. And it’s stupid. No individual woman is allowed to be just a person, they are always held up as “representation of ALL women.” No woman is allowed to be a woman, she is all of the womens. And it’s fucking stupid.

            Zelda is a damsel. That is not a “statement” on ALL women, it’s not a “poor representation of women in video games”, it’s just the role Zelda, personally, individually, fills, as a person. To say that she, or any other female character, from Ivy to Poison, from Bayonetta to Micheals bitch wife from GTA5, should be analyzed as a “representation” of women instead of just as a person is the most sexist horseshit I’ve ever heard in my god damn life.

            You aren’t asking for women to be the same as men, you want a role model on a pedistool. You don’t want a character, you want propaganda. And that’s why no one, free spirited artist or greedy business men, will ever, EVER heed to your stupid demands of “better representation” and if there’s anything I can be grateful for whenever this subject comes up it’s remembering that.

          • Venus in Furs.

            The idea that women are poorly represented in video-game media is not based on a ‘narrow’ view of what women should be. Women can be whatever they please. I, personally, would just like to see a wider range of female characters and characterizations in video-games.

            The issue is often painted as though women in video-games do not meet a set of restrictive criteria that feminists arbitrarily put in place; but the truth is that studies show that women in games are, by large, very selectively represented (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11199-007-9278-1.) This is both to appeal to males (who, for a long time, made up the vast majority of players) and because realistic depictions of women are harder to sell.

            I don’t understand what you mean by “No woman is allowed to be a woman, she is all of the womens” but it sounds like you’re saying female characters are above criticism by virtue of their gender. Male characterizations get criticized as well; more often, even, because they’re are more prevalent.

            Zelda is a fine character, and I don’t see a lot of comments disagree
            with that. I think a lot of people are just excited at the prospect of
            shaking up the tired ‘boy rescues princess’ formula.

            It’s important to note is that characters are NOT real people; your comment makes it sound as though you are confusing the two, which illustrates how important media representation is. I can’t analyze characters as people because they’re not people; they’re literally representations. I analyze them the same way I analyze characters in other media (film, literature, etc.) I don’t understand why you think this is sexist.

          • jugss

            Make Link a girl.Then turn Zelda into a guy lol.

          • Alexandra Cordes

            I am okay with this development.

          • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

            Oh goodness, I didn’t even consider that part. That’d be even better, for that scene of female Link and Zelda taking down Ganondorf together!

          • AndyLC

            >>Get rid of the anachronistic “man saves the princess” trope, and try something progressive.

            That’s WIND WAKER. Zelda and Link fight Ganondorf together. Neither one of them could save the world without the other, they have a relationship of equality.

          • Cody

            People play Zelda because they like that anachronism, play something else if you don’t like it.

          • 愛憎

            I don’t think it’s fair to speak for such a large demographic. Also, I never said that I don’t like Zelda. I’m arguing against those who are afraid of a female Link; I am not arguing against the game series current trajectory.

          • Cody

            What makes you think going into a franchise saying “We need to change this arbitrarily” is a good strategy business-wise OR content-wise?

          • 愛憎

            I guess I just don’t see it as negatively as you. Seems like a neutral switch to me, honestly.

      • Symbol de Au

        There’s only one Hero of Time.

        • Scourge626

          Whose soul has been reincarnated throughout different timelines into new bodies. Wouldn’t be outside the realm of possibility for Link to become a female at one point.

      • http://hatintime.com/ ShadowFang

        I don’t agree with his logic, but the problem is that we HAVE a would be female protagonist right in the title. Making Link female is super dumb when Zelda hardly ever does anything — except when in disguise (as Shiek or Tetra), or is dead (in Spirit Tracks).

    • exrazer

      I see it as on the off chance he is reincarnated as a female. Hell, I could care less as long as we choose the gender.

    • Ying

      I wish they would just make both Zelda and Link playable. A lot of people are used to a male Link because that is what he has always been for decades. Making him female will feel weird, especially when we already have an established female character in Zelda (whom is the actual female everyone wants to play as anyway)

    • David García Abril

      Yeah, same here.

      The problem I see is that there’s a lot of guilt complex in the most progressive side of the gaming community when it comes to the portrayal of female characters, and it looks like they think that gender swapping one of the biggest icons in video game history would help a huge deal in turning the tides.

      The problem is that doing it “because why the heck not” when the series has plenty of better options already in store, including one that a lot of people has been asking for way longer (Zelda)…

      Sorry guys, but that’s overcompensation.

    • idrawrobots

      But if it’s a new character, is it really a Zelda game?

  • Fion

    Nice blog, clearly no personal agenda here and definitely not in the title.
    You know, the title, saying “let Nintendo know” when no where have they ever asked for anyone’s opinion and has nothing to do with the news.
    Yeah, that one.

    Do you enjoy counting yourself amongst the “gaming journalists” the likes of Kotaku and IGN?
    I thought this was a news site but I guess it’s first and foremost a blog.

    • k.b.a.

      Kotaku just drums up non existent drama. Calm down

    • JustThisOne

      I think you might be reading into this a little too much.

    • Showmeyomoves

      “I am hoping people continue to comment, and I will continue to follow the fan comments”

      and

      “I am certainly curious, and I am sure there are things we as developers can glean.”

      heavily imply that they’re willing to make changes based on fan feedback.

      Don’t worry, playing a girl in a videogame won’t turn you into one. Just as girls who’ve been playing male characters for 20 years are still girls.

    • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

      I’m tired of political correctness.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/kaishou Kaishou

      It’s ok if you want more sites like kotaku or IGN, we won’t judge you. Seriously though you’re reading into this a little too much.

  • Addy

    Why not let the player choose? There isn’t much voice work. All they’d have to do is change he to she when you choose the female Link.

    • Razzlero

      Though the new link looks so gender ambiguous they could just not state his/her gender anywhere and leave it up to the player to decide.

      • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

        Why? He’s always been male. Leave it at that or make Zelda a playable character. Leaving his gender ambiguous creates more problems.

        • Scourge626

          His gender is ambiguous for anyone not in the know. How many people have confused Link with Zelda?

          • Darkdragonaxel

            Most people that confuse him for Zelda haven’t played the game just know him from here and there information of one of gaming most iconic protagonist or are trolls

          • Scourge626

            The point is that Link can, and has, been easily confused as a girl based on appearance alone. And because Link has no real character to speak of it wouldn’t be that hard to make him one and there’d be nothing lost.

          • X_Bacon

            They have confused their names though, not their genders.

          • Scourge626

            Link’s gender has been confused many times. Not so much with Zelda, if at all.

  • kliskur

    Woo.. Does this mean we can customize link?.. Lol nah.. Of course not.. Can we?…

  • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

    They shouldnt change Link…Link is a dude.Im fine with a female lead just dont start changing peoples genders for no real reason.

    • Emd23

      Link is a reincarnation. He can be a Muppet for all that matters as long as he’s got the Spirit of the Hero. It’s in this very article “Stop focusing on Link the character. He’s just an avatar.”

      • Elemiel

        A Muppet Link actually sounds awesome. Can we have that instead?

        • Slickyslacker

          Oh, come on. I’ve always wanted a Link made out of pipe cleaners!

    • 古戸ヱリカ

      He also used to have brown hair, but then they changed it to blonde, ruining the Zelda games forever.

    • Jettythesunfish

      Reincarnation doesn’t always guarantee that Link will be male.

  • Masa

    Doesn’t really matter what Link is to be honest, he has no personality, won’t make no difference.

  • MaximDualBlade

    I hope they make a gay character for equality. Either female or male

    • Showmeyomoves

      Link has never had a romantic interest in any of the games (not even Zelda, AFAIK), so he very well might have been for the last 25 years.

      It’s kind of silly to “make him gay” when his heterosexuality has never played a role.

      • lemon

        I dunno, it has always seemed to me that Link was interested in Marin and Zelda (SS).

  • MrJechgo

    YES!

    Better: have 2 playable characters, a male and a female.

  • Warboss Aohd

    i’m all for it, heck i’d probably pick female just for the fun of it.

  • DeadLineDance

    I’m genuinely baffled that Nintendo still sees Link as a “blank slate avatar” of sorts. Next they’ll be telling us Mario merely “represents the player in the game”.

    • Chestnut Bowl

      “I’m genuinely baffled that Nintendo still sees Link as a “blank slate avatar” of sorts.”

      If a creator outright says something like that, it’s a good sign certain consumers have been taking the product – and themselves – too seriously.

    • Masa

      He is a blank avatar though…….

    • Scourge626

      Other than he is. In essence, Link is nothing more than a vessel for the players and we are the soul that’s placed in them. The players are the true Heroes of Time.

  • Chestnut Bowl

    Female Link would be interesting; a somewhat customizable Link would be better.

    If they’re so open to the idea, why not let people choose the character’s gender in-game?

  • Razzlero

    I wonder if they’re trying to make link gender ambiguous?

  • rinalicat

    Hm…I’d like the idea of having the choice; i.e. when you start the game you have the choice of being male or female. I don’t mind playing as a boy but if I was offered the choice, I’d be interested.

  • katzedan

    I still wishes for a day where Princess Zelda will be the playable character… the one who will fight through all the temples and get to fight all the enemies just to save and bring back the Hero Link! :3

    • Nan

      DREAM GAME

    • Aemette

      I second this motion :D

  • Ecchitori-san

    Well, having a female character that bears similarities with Link won’t hurt. Just not a gender bender please.

  • Tsuibana

    Why not make two playable leads, and have a brother and a sister Link?

    …I can already see the fanfics… *o*

  • Tom_Phoenix

    I don’t get it…why not just have an alternative Zelda Mode where you play as…you know…Zelda? I fail to see the purpose of a “female Link” when we already have an established female character which players could play as. In fact, I’m pretty sure there are quite a few people who would love to be able to play as Zelda in an actual (non-CDi) Zelda game.

    • malek86

      Zelda is usually story-relevant for different reasons, right? I mean, the whole Triforce of Wisdom thing. If they want to let players choose a playable female character, it would probably be a female Link, not Zelda.

      • Tom_Phoenix

        I don’t see that as an obstacle, though, especially since Link himself is the bearer of the Triforce of Courage. In Zelda mode, Link could be the story relevant NPC and Zelda could be the MC. Heck, it would actually save development time, since they wouldn’t have to create an entirely separate character model for a “female Link”. And even though they sucked as games, two of the CDi games featured Zelda as a protagonist.

        It’s not like this would be the first time a story-relevant character could be chosen as an MC. Castlevania in particular loved featuring that kind of stuff, like Richter Mode in SotN:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwWCVUOYTIM

      • Ying

        The thing is that Link can only defeat the Big Bad once he has Courage, Wisdom, and Power. Courage from going through the dungeons, Wisdom from solving the puzzles, and Power from the upgrades he gets along the way.
        Zelda can just gather all those things herself if need be

  • James Enk

    i have no problem playing as a female character but pls don’t change Link, he may not talk much but after all those years he is a distinct character and not some generic avatar

  • Land of Green Pasture

    I thought people don’t think link is a girl… they thought Link’s name is Zelda..

  • greeeed

    just make 2 main characters
    Link and Knil

  • Haganeren

    I have saw a lot of comment about “why not choose the gender ?” but i don’t know if it’s a good solution… I don’t care if I play Link, Female Link, Zelda or male Zelda but i don’t like the idea to choose your gender that much. It means the character have a lot less impact in the long term.

    I mean, if the player could have choose between Link or Female Link from the beginning, it would split all parodies/discussion/whatever into two characters instead of one.

    I don’t know if i’m clear enough…

    • hng qtr

      You’re not. What do you mean by “split all parodies/discussion/whatever” and why is it important?

      • Haganeren

        It’s important because right now, when you think about all Zelda games, you remember one character : Link. If you could have choose, some would remember the female one, other would remember the male one.

        So instead of having one character memorable, you have two less memorable. On the long term, i think it’s not that good for the series.

        • hng qtr

          But what’s the difference if both would do the same thing in the story? Link is just a blank slate.

          • Haganeren

            You think ? I do not, i always found link had more personalization than Skyrim characters for example.

            I talked about parodies earlier, we can see on this that Link always have some kind of personality. I think everyone playing the game have their own version of the personality of Link but the fact there is only one design binds all player together.

            I have nothing to prove it, just a though…

          • hng qtr

            “I think everyone playing the game have their own version of the personality of Link”

            So a blank slate?

            ” there is only one design binds all player together.”
            And they change the design in most iterations, even if they keep the same general idea. I’m not particularly interested in playing like a female Link, but it just sounds like something so irrelevant to how the game would play, look and etc that I don’t see many reasons to be opposed to it. It’s fine either way to me.

          • Haganeren

            OOT Link don’t have the same design than SS Link. Everyone which remember OOT will think of “that link”. It’s powerful. The stronger about that was The Wind Waker, so strong than they made two Link character in Smash Bros Brawl.

            So even if each player have their own version of the personality of Link, they are a lot of little thing like that which show that an unique design makes people thinks this character is more than just a blank slate. A lot of people are here to say : “But for me Link is a character !” and i think part of that is because for each game they were an unique chara design which binds all of them together.

          • hng qtr

            Yes, I pointed they change the design in most games in my previous comment. They keep the general idea of “Link” in every game but that’s something really superficial, he never had something that defined him besides the visual. He’s just some person that likes green clothes and use a sword and shield, being male, female or whatever never made much of a difference.

          • Haganeren

            Yes, i used your argument in order to fuel my own. The very fact there is different design and people remember those different design means that design itself makes Link something else than a blank state for me. That’s the condensed version, there is more argument and example in my previous post.

  • Asturias_Knytt

    “Of late, Nintendo have been making a very conscious effort to include more playable female characters in their games”

    News to me. Any examples? Bar 8, 16 and 64 bit entries every other Link has been androgynous looking. This is nothing new. Link ALWAYS been male.

    • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

      Rosalina in SM3D World and Mario Golf, more female characters in Smash, Midna and Zelda in Hyrule Warriors, the ability to be a male or female character in Fire Emblem and Xenoblade Chronicles X. Those are just a few off the top of my head.

      • Asturias_Knytt

        Oh. I stand corrected :)

        Still, that’s completely different from changing the gender of an established franchise character.

    • Guest

      Besides what Ishaan already mentioned, there is Impa, Palutena too and the girls from Splatoon.

  • neocatzon

    Any characters they may add, I just want them role friendly and truly important. Be it a male, a female, a rock, asexual, etc. Not just a placeholder for Link.

  • Virevolte

    I don’t care if the hero is a man or a woman. I care about that sweet bow that launch gigaflare.

  • Draparde

    I’m all for letting you choose between two characters. though personally I wouldn’t care if link was a female, the best course for both sides imo would be to simply let you play as a female lead, and have link with you. or vice-versa.

  • Nesther

    What if Zelda was a girl?

    • Slickyslacker

      *rustle face*

  • AzureRyuujin

    Personally, I like Link the way he is.

    That being said, it’d be neat if Nintendo allowed us to have more than one playable character at start up, Link and one Female character. Better than compromising Link’s identity.

  • Michael Cortorreal

    Hmm…I am not against the idea of an OPTION to choose a male or female character before hand, since this ain’t the first time (at least not in japan) that Nintendo has made it like that.
    But that was on the early 90′s; when the story of the game was mostly to save a princess which Link does not know about.
    As of late, Link have been a more closed character to Zelda; relationship wise they send subtle idea’s that they love each other (like in a romantic way)
    With that,and with what others have said about Link being his own character (which is true to me too) 2 things posses my mind if a female avatar is included as a playable character.
    Who is she? Meaning if it wpuld be better to create an alternate story where is a female who take on darkness or just simply use the same story (in game) regardless of gender picked.
    2. How Nintendo will deal with such subtle ideas of romanticism between the main characters? (If the in game story shall be the same for both genders (same dialog and scenary’s) We all know that there is a community out there, that is very sensible to this kind of stuff and after seeing Nintendo’s approach on Tomodachi Life (for example the no same gender marriage) I think it’s best to consider pretty well on that one.

    • Ying

      It’s simple. They just won’t add any romantic elements into the game, or at least no on purpose. If Aonuma truly believes that Link is nothing but a blank slate then I actually see Links interactions in this game being nerfed quite a bit from Skyward Sword Link. That Link reacted to his surroundings, and seemed to have something of a personality as well as a romantic interest in Zelda. This one probably won’t in favor of focusing more on the vastness of the adventure itself

  • Göran Isacson

    Huh, this is… intriguing. It reads to me as they’re interested in making Link a customizable character, even down to sex. I… do not know what that could mean.

    Personally, I’m all for it because I do NOT think Link is a character in his own right. I believe, as do Aonuma from the looks of it, that he’s a blank slate for the player. And maybe that’s why so many seem to be so ambivalent and claim the opposite- Link has been charged with so many different ideas and beliefs over time, so many people who all have their own Link, that when the opportunity is given to truly acknowledge that the realization that “your” Link may just be one of many, that the character you envisioned all along wasn’t intended, but all in your head… that may unnerve people.

    I will be VERY interested in following this discussion and see where it leads to. That’s really all I can say at this point.

  • charles

    Make the choice be Link or Shiek and just make sure zelda isnt the one to be saved or something…. since Shiek is zelda.

  • wahyudil

    2 different lead with different gender, 2 different point of view of the story, 2 different start location … I think that will be very cool

  • SirRichard

    They should totally at least include the option to pick, like. Link doesn’t talk, not really any issues on that front, and as much as Ubisoft likes to claim it takes a whole overhaul, it really doesn’t!

  • Lumi

    Er no. I’d rather play as Zelda (with an alternate story and moveset perhaps) than have them do a genderbent Link

    • NeptuniasBeard

      He wouldn’t be gender bent, his core ideals would just be awakened inside of a female body.

      • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

        Yet changing his gender is genderbent. I find it funny how people who are in favor of changing his gender still haven’t a good reason as to why. Yet people who are against have given multiple alternatives.

        • NeptuniasBeard

          But he is not. being. genderbent. Once Link dies, that’s it, game over man. It’s the hero’s ideals, courage, and sometimes the triforce itself that move on. That particular Link though, is gone. The next lead is a completely new person. There is even a time (possibly two) where there are two Links face to face. Twilight Princess, and heavily implied in the Link Between Worlds.

          A chosen hero being female would just be a thing that happens, it’s not like a past Link is just living out life as a woman.

          • DragKudo

            Not stating a fact, it is something i always thought.

            I always thought all links were the same SS link just reincarnated. Thats why every link know’s how to fight instantly and that Twilight princess link was a descendant.

          • NeptuniasBeard

            Well there is at least ONE more guy before that Link (the one that knew Hylia herself). But no, several Zelda games explicitly state that Link at least has some prior sword training before starting their quest. I doubt there’s one that just picks up a sword and saves the world, though he is pretty good with dungeon items.

          • DragKudo

            in ss they said there was no hero before. Hylia the goddess was the one who fought. I didn’t say he would save the world just said he knows how to fight. But i understand

          • NeptuniasBeard

            Well I was refering to this magnificent specimen. Though canoncity is ambiguous, there was a hero very briefly mentioned in the game. And Aonuma said himself that there may be a game set before SSS

            http://zeldawiki.org/images/thumb/b/be/Firstlink.png/549px-Firstlink.png

          • DragKudo

            Like I said the game states that there was no Hero(link) before and that Hylia was the hero but when she became human she needed a hero.
            I would say the manga is not canon.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            Give me a reason why he needs to be a girl! It just sounds like a bunch of people saying, I want Link to be a girl, therefore he should be a girl. Again why does he need to be a girl?

          • straightthrucru

            P-A-T-R-I-A-R-C-H-Y

          • NeptuniasBeard

            When did I say that? When did any one say he NEEDS to be a girl? I will say straight up, he doesn’t. What I’m saying is that there is no reason that the next Hero of X being female will snap the universe in two, as all of YOUR side keep insinuating.

            I’m also saying that there is no one Link that rules them all. No Link has stuck around for longer than two games, and every Link is their own person. So a female Link’s very existence will not do a damn thing to any future or past Link

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            I don’t get what’s hard to understand what I’m saying. Yes we can have female heroine but Link doesn’t need a gender change.

          • NeptuniasBeard

            Exactly… thank you for understanding my point. Link could be any gender the creator wants. I doesn’t matter

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            What point, he’s always been a boy.

          • Asura

            Why does Link need to stay a boy?
            You’ve given no reasons and just given cop outs. “It’s always been done that way” is the worst answer to any question ever.

            Flip your own question and ask it to yourself, and please realize how dumb of a question it is.

            Why does Yoshi “NEED” to be made of yarn for the next game? HE DOESN’T. IT’S FUN. IT’S DIFFERENT. The creators felt like it. That’s all it needs.
            Same for the next Link reincarnation to have a different gender.

            Jesus…

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            Well given the fact the he’s always been male and we have perfect alternatives like Zelda for the billionthgizionlon time. The goddess that chose the orginal Link to be hero promised to reincarnate him the same way she remembered him, as a man, not a girl, not a woman, a male!

          • Yuuki

            she never said that she reincarnated link in itself.
            She said that there will always be a link.

            Also A link to the past defeats your point, since link had pink hair (sprite)…..

            And another question, wouldnt your word imply that link has to look like a 1:1 version in every game since she creates him like she remembers him?

            I accepted the change in design with 2 to 3d but after that it would have to be a 1:1 copy in every game, which it wasnt.

            Also in another post you also mentioned Ganon.
            There i have a question for you.

            Why was ganon born as a human then?
            the last form known of him was the demonic form (Demise) so he would have reincarnated as this demon later in the series, Why didnt that happen if its set in stone by the goddes?

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            He doesn’t have to be a girl and he doesn’t have to be a guy that’s the whole point of the arugment.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            Right so lets make a character whose already male genderless. So progressive.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            Never said anything about genderless, don’t know what your talking about.
            You can make an already decidedly reincarnated blank slate into something different and/or give people a choice in what they want this time around.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            Hear me out for a second. If it was optional to pick between genders from the beginning of the series I’d be cool with that. I keep asking a simple question, why does he need to be a girl? And you and other people keep telling its possible for him to have a female reincarnation, anything is possible. But what purpose does it serve to change his gender when he’s always been male? There are plenty of options outside of changing his gender. Someone mentioned he should have a twin sister which I think would be pretty cool.

          • Jettythesunfish

            You keep saying “why does he need to be a girl”, but do you even understand what being a “reincarnation” means?

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            Yes ! Now give me a reason as to why he needs to be female. Instead of telling me its possible.

          • Jettythesunfish

            There is no “need” for Link to be either male or female. Link can still be a hero no matter what gender the next reincarnation is.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            So basically you’re not gonna give me a reason. Instead it’s, he doesn’t need to be male of female just a hero when he’s been male for 25yrs. Of course he can be a hero/heroine regardless of gender. But why does he need to be female. Oh, wait you’re not gonna tell me.

          • Jettythesunfish

            For the love of…

            Fine. The reason Link could be a female is because Link is established as being the incarnation of a hero. Being a reincarnation doesn’t limit Link to being solely male. While there is no “need” for Link to be one gender or the other, being an incarnation allows either possibility. Being male for 25 years means nothing.

            Is that reason good enough for you?

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            Another cop out. Tell me why he needs to be female, not that he could be one. So being male 25yrs means nothing. So are you in favor of changing the gender of any video game character?

          • Jettythesunfish

            What the hell is wrong with you? There’s no cop out. Such a thing can’t be done with other characters because they don’t have reincarnations. I never said there was a need for Link to be female, so stop asking that stupid question already. Link has had many incarnations throughout the eras, and there is no rule stating that every Link must be male. Yes, being male for over 20 years means nothing when it is established that every Link is and can be different.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            You’re still dancing around the question. I said multiple times we can have a female lead w /o changing his gender. Answer it already.

          • Jettythesunfish

            I keep answering your question but you’re not acknowledging what I’m saying. Every Link is different. There is no rule stating that every incarnation of Link must be male. Incarnation does not stick to one gender. There no “need” to be either gender but the idea of “reincarnation” allows for either to happen.

            I keep saying these things, but you still think I’m trying to avoid the question. So if you STILL don’t get it, I’m done with you. I’m tired of repeating myself to you.

          • brostar

            Fine I’ll give you a reason. Because Link is the link between the player and the game. He represents the player. Women play LoZ too therefore a female Link would be a representative character for them. There done.
            Link can be female to represent the gender of the player.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            I’m just gonna classify you as a SJW who has no real interest in TLoZ. “Lets make Link a girl,” why? “Oh because he can be a girl” even tho he has never been one. But we have other female characters such as Zelda that would be an excellent choice instead. “No, Link needs to be a girl”. “Make Link a girl because I want him to be one!”

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            Why not? There’s nothing stopping him from being so what could more variety hurt is the main point.
            That’s the whole point, why can’t he be is the question you should be answering yourself.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            And here we are once again, “why not?” I’m not dismissing the idea of a female lead. Stop dodging the question as to why he needs to be a female. What makes Link in any way, shape, or form better as a girl. You can tell me all day he can be a girl but why does he need to be one. If you tell me why does he need to a male, I’m done talking to you. Just answer the question, please!

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            Because it doesn’t decrease his vaule as hero nor would it do anything to the lore and is completely possible. I don’t get how you don’t get that.
            If there’s nothing wrong with it and it possible why not? That’s literally the whole point and I’m in no way dodging the question.
            What’s the point of not doing is the only question really.
            He doesn’t have to be a female and he doesn’t have to be a male, he can be either and story would function just fine. Why people are so adverse to adding variety to the game I don’t know.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            One, no one ever said a female protagonist would decrease the value of the character. Two, “What’s the point of not doing is the only question really. ” there is no point to change his gender to begin with. Three, Zelda has a variety of female characters on top of the option of introducing new ones as a protagonist. Four “He doesn’t have to be a female and he doesn’t have to be a male,” he’s always been male, go back to number three, there are better options. People are against it because it makes no sense. Now I have to question if you’ve ever played
            TLoZ, if you did you would know it has plenty of variety. Zelda has played a key in helping save the day in numerous games. It makes complete sense to make her a playable as oppose changing his gender for no real reason.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            1) If that were true then why can’t link be female? 2) There’s no point in not changing his gender nor is there any reason not to. It does make sense if you understand what reincarnation is and how it wouldn’t bother the lore at all. Just because he has been male in the previous games doesn’t mean he can’t be female in future games. One of the main directors and designers for the game has stated that link is a blank slate character, it doesn’t matter what gender he is he’ll still function properly as link.
            3)Yes there are a lot of nice female character in loz but honestly we could just get an option to play as them as well having the option to choose link’s gender.
            Giving players a choice gives more variety more variety has never hurt anything. So it makes completely sense to give people an option and make zelda playable at the same time.
            There’s literally nothing stopping it from happening.

            So again why can’t he be female and what would it change if he was.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            You should visit tumblr sometime. You’d fit right in.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            Actually I don’t, I’m not sure how wanting a female option for a character, that won’t break anything by doing it. Makes me akin to tumblr feminist which is here I think you’re going with that.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            And I gave you plenty of options for a female character, but you just shoot them down and say make him a girl. I’m in favor of a female playable characters, just not changing the gender of any of the characters in the series. Feminist are obbessed with changing the gender of male characters to female for frivolous reasons, that’s what you sound like to me, a radical feminist pushing an agenda.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            Funny I thought I sounded like a MRA to most feminist. Anyways you’re are being silly I never shot down those ideas, I asked why can’t we have both. It’s not like adding a choice for a female link ill do anything and by choice I meant a choice for people to choose if they want to choose either male or female.
            I’m still not seeing how that is anything like a feminist agenda.

          • Yuuki

            cause it would be something “new and fresh” and kinda would. And it would bring more to the lore.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            Playing as Zelda would do that. Once again changing Link’s gender is unnecessary and lazy.

        • Jettythesunfish

          Haven’t people been saying that Link is a REINCARNATION? That does not mean the next Hero of Time is guaranteed to be always be male. Having a female won’t change anything; she’ll still be Link the Hero.

          • NeptuniasBeard

            Well, there is only one Hero of Time. All the others are a Hero of (insert relevent plot element here), if they even get a title.

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            You still haven’t given me a reason.

          • Jettythesunfish

            Dude. I gave you a reason, as many others did. Once again, Link is a reincarnation. He is not the same Link in every game. Therefore it makes sense if his latest incarnation turned out to be female. Therefore, the possibility is there.

    • Jettythesunfish

      You realize reincarnation doesn’t have to adhere to gender, right? A female can still have the spirit of the hero inside her.

      • AndyLC

        If you look at the most well known reincarnation tradition in the world, the Dalai Lama is always reincarnated as a male.

        • Kumiko Akimoto

          And your point? It doesn’t mean that he couldn’t be reincarnated as girl.

        • Jettythesunfish

          …So what?

        • Sperium3000

          That’s like saying “The Dalai Lama always wear white underwear so clearly everyone should wear white underwear”.

        • Asura

          And Buddhism has historically suffered from sexism just as much as every other social establishment.

      • Roberto Ibarra

        Get real, in the context of a videogame, your trans-gender reincarnation proposal is the same as a gender bending.
        The emotional manipulation trick you are trying to pull with the unrelated, self-evident idea that women can also be heroic is not enough. Sorry.

        • Jettythesunfish

          “The emotional manipulation trick you are trying to pull with the unrelated, self-evident idea that women can also be heroic is not enough.”

          Excuse me?

      • Lumi

        It’s not so much as reincarnation as … Habit? If it’s a new character with a different name (Richte? Heh) I’ll be completely fine with that.

  • Never

    Yeah no thanks, that’s an absolutely terrible idea.

    I’d be fine with playing as a female, or having a game about Zelda herself would be better, just so long as the female wasn’t Link, and a “choice” of
    Link’s gender is even worse than just outright making him female as it
    puts even more limits on the story and NPCs reactions themselves.
    There’s absolutely no cause for it, and if you’re going to do that might as
    well start making Mario a girl “as a choice”, you can dismiss that idea. Link has been built as the boy going out to save the day and often times the Princess through the entirety of his series more often than not as a coming of age scenario, built as a reincarnation of a Knight specifically chosen to aid the Goddess whenever she was in need, if you really need to play a girl so badly play Metroid or a plethora of other games that have their own protagonists set as females or give you the option and stop trying to change one that has its own backstory and lore to it.

    It’s silly and unnecessary to change this one damaging the things it has established and the lore it’s set in place.

    • 愛憎

      What’s wrong with a female knight? What’s wrong with a female coming of age story? What’s wrong with a female saving the Princess?

      I really don’t see how it “damages” the lore.

      • X_Bacon

        Nice strawman.
        They never said there was something wrong with those, just that changing a character’s gender wouldn’t fit this series in particular.

        • Asura

          How would it not fit the series? That’s not even a strawman, that’s lacking a foundation entirely.
          There’s literally not a single contradiction in having a female reincarnation for Link.

          • X_Bacon

            I don’t know, I’m not the one making the argument. Just trying to clear the misunderstanding.

        • 愛憎

          The user above me was mentioning how these things work for Link, because he is male. I mentioned the same roles being filled by a woman. I don’t think I made a straw man, but I may have understood the user’s intentions. Discussion doesn’t need to be filled with aggression or sarcasm.

      • Kayhil Dimas

        Well couldn’t they make two links like twins one male one female and maybe run a storyline that some oddity occurred to the hero of times soul and it ended up being split into two

        • 愛憎

          That sounds cool, too!

    • Jettythesunfish

      It’s not a terrible idea because Link being a reincarnation does not restrict him to being male all the time.

  • xxx128

    I want to…play as… *gasp* Zelda?

  • Roger

    I fail to see how Link being speechless makes him a blank avatar.

    • Tarkovsky

      Exactly. Are people arguing for that really think that Chell, Gordan Freeman, Megaman and all other voiceless protagonists should have gender swapped versions of themselves? Ridiculous analogy imo.

      • Roger

        Isn’t it? There are so many versions of him already, other media besides games(like the mangas) the Zelda timeline is so big and so is the lore around the character.

        Blank means empty. He might be a cliché hero that saves the day again and again, but empty? Not really.

        If that’s the case, why a lot of people prefer Luigi over Mario if they are both speechless (besides saying their own names and sentences like ”Mama mia!”) and ”blank state” by definition? They do have their own ”persona”.

        • brostar

          Link is a different character everytime though. Who to say Link in the next game could be a male or female?

          • Roger

            I didn’t even mentioned male/female Link in my post to don’t feed possible feminists’ reactions.

            I’ve yet to see why gender swapping makes things more interesting. It´s no like TES sucks less because of male/female swapping for the protagonist.

            I DO think playing as a girl is interesting. I like female protagonists and I’ve been playing Atelier series for a long time now.

            I DON’T think Link is always necessary on the story too. Actually, I would like to play as Zelda or another Hylian girl.

            I DO think it would be cool to have a 2 paths game, like Atelier Escha & Logy, with 2 distinct protagonists that you could choose.

            I DO think this idea could be used for another Oracle of Ages/Seasons-like Zelda. It would be awesome to play as a girl in one, and as Link in the other.

            I DON’T Link itself should be always the protagonist. If they created Majora’s Mask and Zant, why not create other protagonist too for some game? We have Ys Origin in the Ys series, for example.

            I DON’T think Link’s sex should be swapped too, no reason when you can actually create a female character as good as or better than him. Like someone already mentioned, Nausicaa-like girl protagonist.

            I’m actually tired of Polygon feminists making threads and long discussions involving this theme already, it’s very tiring. Change this character sex because yes, make the mage character from Dragon’s Crown less ”appealing” cause that’s sexist, etc.

            Link, for most of the games at least, doesn’t feel like a blank and empty character to me, and that’s all I had to say, my justification is already on my last post.

    • earth_worm_jim

      The developers do, that’s who. Heck Link was given the name “Link” because you’re meant for you to project yourself onto the character. The only thing that ALL Links have in common are their attributes; courage, ingenuity, kindness, and cleverness. While SOME Links have a personality, NOT ALL of them do.

      • Roger

        Your point was…?

  • Dylan Anantha

    I think the best thing to do in this case would have a playable female partner for Link, like Ghost Zelda in Spirit Tracks.

  • Tarkovsky

    I’m just gonna say one thing. You never ever mess around with an iconic character like Link unless it’s a spin-off or re-imagining.

    • 愛憎

      So, what, you didn’t like Wind Waker? Why is everyone so afraid of change?

      • Tarkovsky

        Nope loved it. If you follow my comment history you would even see me arguing for Dante in DmC, REs 4,5 and 6 and that FF should continue to evolve further and stay away from it’s roots. But that’s besides the point.

        My point was already made clear. Never mess with an established iconic character unless it’s a spin-off or re-imagining. Especially something as huge as changing a character’s gender.

        • 愛憎

          Your point isn’t clear, though; that’s the problem. You state that it shouldn’t be changed, but why? What is your reasoning for it being such a bad idea? Would you have an issue if they changed his race, too? I don’t get how it makes a difference with a character that hardly says a word.

          • Tarkovsky

            Firstly, a speechless character does not equal a blank avatar or character that has no personality. Actions speaks louder and words. If that’s the case then characters like Chell, Gordan Freeman, Megaman, Zero and etc are also just nothing but player avatars am I right? I would agree with you if Link was only in one game and had no interactions whatsoever with any NPCs like the boy in Limbo and I think you can clearly see the distinct difference there. The boy from Limbo is just that boy from Limbo. Link is Link who has had adventures over the course of 20+ years in the Legend of Zelda games He has had an official name since the very first game.

            Secondly, I would have absolutely no problem at all what they do to Link if it were a spin-off or re-imagining. Make him an old Mexican granny who’s gay? Go for it. A 5 year old loli with a body of a 20 year old. Sure. Go crazy all you want. Create a sci-fic Zelda.

            If not there has to be a valid reason(that ties to the lore and story) especially since Nintendo themselves officially created the Hyrule Historia. One needs to realize that Link is not an alter ego like a Batman, Hulk, Superman, Spiderman or a Green Lantern where they can change whoever they want donning the suit without any major repercussions. Link is Link’s name. And Link is a guy. Link is like the Peter Parker, Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne of the characters of those franchises I mentioned earlier.

            My idea is to just do it like Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire where there’s Brendan the boy and May the girl if they want to implement it. 2 clear separate distinct characters with their names. Maybe Link has a sister in this Zelda U or something I don’t care as long as it ties in to the story.

            If they just want to change Link’s gender because people want to play as female Link or as an “apology” to the recent Tomodachi Collection “scandal” then I’m sorry. That’s just a poor excuse.

          • Tarkovsky

            I think I should add in a few more points that I forgot to mention to further solidify my argument.
            Link has had a very consistent design since the very first Zelda game. He wears green, has blonde hair that is not too long nor too short, has pointy ears, wears a hat and is a fairly pale male. He has also always been left handed with the exception of Skyward Sword which is more of a motion control issue. Whether he is cel-shaded or super-deformed, his design always follows a set number of rules and that is synonymous with his name, Link. Heck, you can even recognize him from his silhouette itself. That’s how iconic he is. You type in Link in Google image search and the first dozen images or so are all him. In short, he’s an immortalized character like Mario and Sonic.

            In contrast, let’s take the player character in Fire Emblem Awakening as an example. He/she has even less of a “personality” than Link even though he/she actually speaks, has a voice and plays a major part in the story. That is the HUGE difference right there I’m talking about. Not only that, he/she has no official name. Nobody is going to feel attached to him/her after Awakening because the player character’s design always changes drastically with each and every Fire Emblem game.

            And again I reiterate, they can go crazy as long as it’s not a mainline Zelda game.

          • earth_worm_jim

            Actually, Link’s silhouette changes with every game, the Ocarina of Time silhouette and the Skyward Sword Silhouette are very different. If you recognize a silhouette then all it means is that recognized a specific Link, not all of them. The only thing that all Link’s have in common is the green tunic, hat, sword, and shield, and elf ears. Beyond that his designs tend to differ. Also remember the game itself points out that all Links are technically different characters, just with the same attributes.

  • The Watcher

    It’s unlikely it will ever happen but I rather have Link have an actual voice in the game, (unless there’s a legitimate reason, ex: Character is under a curse). Story wise, dialogue is very important when it comes to unfolding a grand story. As I’m typing this, I am actually impressed how far Nintendo has come with it’s many characters don’t talk in complete sentences and just now realize it’s a charm Nintendo has been able to pull off for years.

  • DanijoEX ♬ the Cosmic Owl

    If they can work it out right, then I’m all for it.

  • Slayven19

    Just make zelda a playable character, we need to make our voices heard on this.

  • Symbol de Au

    Yeah, I’m never going to think of Link as an avatar of myself, and just like I’ve never asked for a black Link I’m sure 95% of girls never asked for a female Link. To be honest I don’t care if they have a female Link, but I hope they don’t if it’ll tick off the equality derps. Lawl.

  • http://ikari-the-angry-angel.tumblr.com/ The Angry, Random One

    I’m open for the idea of a Fem!Link or “a female that bears similarities to Link.” as some of the comments have stated. Link has always been androgynous looking both physically and with the signature green tunic and sword. IMO at least. So having one Link for ONE timeline as a female wouldn’t kill anyone.

    EDIT: Also having a Zelda playable wouldn’t hurt but at the same time I wouldn’t mind playing as Fem!Link either so….

  • Blackburn7

    I’d like to see Link as a female, even if it’s just for the sake of seeing if it changes anything at all. I don’t think there would be much of a difference.

  • http://people.ign.com/neil_rev Luna

    Female Link and male Zelda :D
    Ok, I’ll see myself out

  • Kumiko Akimoto

    Hmm I think you people are taking his blank slate comment to literally, he doesn’t mean link as character is blank slate he means the overal look and feel of link is, if you change his hair, clothing but he still goes on the same adventure and still has to do the same things as usually does in his game then it really doesn’t matter. If you change his gender it’s the same thing.
    He can still be link and be different,he was never defined by his physical looks or his gender.

  • MaidKillua

    I think a female Link would be cool, but I think if they do it then that game should ONLY have a female link. Choosing a gender wouldn’t make much sense given what Link actually represents in the Zelda world. One of the Links just happening to have been born female DOES make sense, and could be interesting

    • Kumiko Akimoto

      I don’t get what you mean? How would being able to choose a female or male link be against lore?

      • MaidKillua

        If you could choose then the character would be undefined. Link is always a specific character. Always has been. Nothing ever said he has to be male though. Even though he doesn’t talk he still always has a personality in each game, and sometimes previous Links are referenced in other games (e.g the Hero of Time being referenced in Windwaker and stated as having been male). Being able to choose would complicate that if they did it again

        • Kumiko Akimoto

          Uhh that still doesn’t make any sense, you say that nothing say he has to be male right? So how would choosing to be female or male at the beginning of the game make link undefended? They don’t have to refer to his gender in game and his past selves aren’t effected either way.

          • MaidKillua

            But every other Link has been a specific gender. And being able to choose would make referencing this games character in the lore impossible without importing save files or something. I would however like it if you could choose two entirely different characters of differing genders. But not choosing the gender for Link

          • ChiffonCake

            >being able to choose would make referencing this games character in the lore impossible
            …the only time I can think of where a past Link’s gender has ever been relevant is in TP, with the skeleton of OoT Link being a character, and even then, it wasn’t that important.

          • MaidKillua

            OoT Link was also a major reference point in Windwaker. I just think it’d be much cooler to keep having Link as a specific character, but having one of them be female would be interesting. Ideally it would be pretty awesome to have a game with a female Link and a playable, male Zelda who have separate stories that run in parallel during the same events

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            I’m still not getting you, his only other gender has been male and they only refer to his past selves as male, there’s nothing saying that the dialogue toward the new link can’t be gender neutral.

          • NeptuniasBeard

            Not impossible, completely. They can give a choice, but make female Link the canon one if it’s ever referenced. Like how Red is always the canon strongest trainer in the world, even after FR/LG

  • ShawnOtakuSomething

    Why not being able to pick between Male or female? at the beginning of the game? since We are all Linked to link

  • BleuVII

    Just don’t take away the midriff and the braid. Wait… wrong game. Dang it.

  • http://people.ign.com/rob1610 rob1610

    If we want to play as a female, we’ll play as Zelda in Hyrule Warriors. Anyway. I think one point here’s been missed. Aonuma doesn’t want us focusing on the character. And what I’m more curious about and want to ask is: What’s up with that transforming arrow at the end?

  • Astralwyrm

    I really couldn’t care less about what gender Link is. Adding female Link into the game is likely to restrict them on what kind of stories they can write into the game though.

    • Venus in Furs.

      I don`t understand. How would it restrict them?

      • Astralwyrm

        They can’t write any storyline which would rely on link being a specific gender since they have to remember that link can be either gender all the way through the game. I mean they can have substitute writing for each gender if they wanted to but that would be twice as much work whenever they decided to do that. And would probably result in a shorter game. It might not really matter in the end since Link doesn’t talk much but i just don’t think gender equality is more important than story. Thats all.

        • ChiffonCake

          >They can’t write any storyline which would rely on link being a specific gender
          They’ve never done that. Why would they start doing it now?

    • Jettythesunfish

      No it won’t.

  • Venus in Furs.

    I think that it`s a great idea to have a female Link. Maybe Zelda`s gender could be switched too, but their roles would remain the same.

    I don`t really see a good reason NOT to do this, or at least give the player the option. Link isn`t a character with much personality anyway; he`s just a heroic badass, and that transcends gender.

  • Emsa

    Big no-no to a female Link :( I don’t mind having a female alternative, like Zelda, though. I don’t mind playing games with female heroines, but I’ve never once play any Zelda game and thought “This would be better if I could play as a girl as well”.

    They can however dump the positions they’ve usually had. Zelda doesn’t need to be a princess for example, she can be a strong sword-fighter in her own right, with a unique past for this game. Make her leader of a gang of thieves, and Link can be prince and Ganondorf can be a wandering swordsman ;p

  • Dyne

    If you take in the “BS The Legend of Zelda” games then players have played a male who not link or a female (other then zelda kind of) before in the games. But i not sure if they canonical anyway.

  • ChiffonCake

    Wow, I seriously didn’t expect to see so many people against this in here of all places.

    Either way, yes please.

    • revenent hell

      It’s mostly because Link dosent need a sex change when their are available alternatives to use as a female character such as Zelda or as someone else said giving him a female relative to use in place of him.

      • Morgan Rodgers

        A sex change doesn’t matter for Link. It is frequently a different incarnation anyhow, and there are no real issues as far as romantic considerations.

        Zelda is NOT a suitable alternative, since she is a separate character already. Therefore plays a different role. It would be stupid to have her play through Link’s part of the story.

        • revenent hell

          The story lines in the games define Link as male, changing his gender would be hurtful to every aspect of them at this point.

          What I find comical is people think you have to play Links story. Why couldn’t they make it Zelda’s story to play as?

          • Morgan Rodgers

            Story lines in PREVIOUS games. But
            1 you name the character, who doesn’t speak;
            2 it’s a different incarnation of the hero most of the time;
            3 there are very few major references to the gender (romantic connections are only hinted at, etc.).

            So I don’t see how it would hurt anything to give a female option. As far as making a “Adventure of Zelda” game, sure why not. But that’s a different game, and still has the same problem (no choice for the gender of the character).

          • revenent hell

            It could be the same adventure with the option of playing as Zelda or Link. I don’t see how that’s not valid.
            Personally I don’t see a female option as bad or horrific or any such nonsense but I think its overall pretty inconsiderate to arbitrarily change an iconic character in a series just to claim a “female” option is there when so many other alternatives are possible to implement.

          • Morgan Rodgers

            For me, I think each Zelda game has a story, and in a good story every character plays a distinct part. It wouldn’t effect much to make it ambiguous enough for the main part to played by either a male or female “Link”. But to make it an ambiguous enough story that either Link or Zelda could be inserted would take away a lot. Link and Zelda aren’t interchangeable, so making a story that would work with both…. I don’t know how they would do that.

          • revenent hell

            Think about what you said right there. ” I think each Zelda game has a story, and in a good story every character plays a distinct part” That’s the exact reason Link should stay as He is.

            In all past stories he was/is iconically male.

            Its not only rude to the fan base its pretty damn ballsy to change the history they created within the games just to make him female.

            Creating a game where both characters could play it would take more work, because I think interactions and stuff should be different for each character, but a lot of games have and do, do it well.

            And mostly if they want to do it they should at least make it an option. “Regular” Link or the female version so as not to irk their fans and let them choose the version they want to play as.

          • Asura

            ‘ “Regular” Link or the female version ‘

            Thanks for illustrating the problem perfectly.
            It’s default to be a dude.

          • revenent hell

            Regular Link is the iconic one. Hence why I said it that way. The female one would just be a throw in as a new skin in my view.

            The game history itself tends to give me the reason why I can say as much

    • Jettythesunfish

      Yeah, people are getting way too sensitive over this matter and don’t seem to understand what the term reincarnation means…

  • Aaron Lee

    I honestly don’t mind. Ideally, I would prefer a dual protagonist game where (male) Link AND (female, presumably) Zelda are playable for bloody once, and that would be what I would aspire to do if I were making the game.

  • http://www.segalization.com/ Kuronoa

    Zelda or Impa.

  • fairysun

    Make the Link of this incarnation has a sister and either one of them can be the savior of Hyrule. That way, player can select the gender that they like.

    • brostar

      I’d be okay with this because I never really name my character Link anyway.

  • Richard N

    Funny, with recent comments the developers of Far Cry 4 and AssCreed Unity made about not being able to develop female characters cuz of the extra workload, they were put on blast by the community. Yet, here’s a conpany who’s accepting the idea of a female main character and they’re being put on blast.

    Gamers…

    • Kumiko Akimoto

      People don’t like the idea of a predefined character being changed, AC unity is going to have 4 main characters in time period where women could have been added. Differences they are there.

      • Richard N

        Differences, yes. Same overreaction, yes.

        • Kumiko Akimoto

          Well yes I agree on that.

    • revenent hell

      People don’t want Link to get a sex change when there are other options to play as a female character. It’s pretty obvious that’s the reason people are upset if one reads the comments.

      • brostar

        But why they’re upset is odd. Link is, according to Shiggy and Aonuma a “link” between the game and the player.
        So why can’t he be a female as a choice.
        Link is not Mario he is not defined character.
        He is reincarnation every game with Link as a base name and a base design. Why can’t he be female with the same base design? Same colour hair. Some eye colour. Same relationships as male Link. Same motives. Same heroism.

        • revenent hell

          He actually is. At this point Link is so iconically male it’s disturbing to make him female now.

          • Scourge626

            The only thing that defines him as a male is that he saves a princess from the big bad villain, which you don’t need to be a male to do that. And as Link is nothing more than an avatar for players to act through, his gender could easily be a female. A choice between the two would be nice.

          • revenent hell

            The thing that defines him as male is he has never even minimally had breasts or a womanly outline.

            I think it’s been clear through the history of Zelda that Link has dangly bits and couldn’t give birth.

          • Scourge626

            Tell that to the people who thought he was a girl until someone said otherwise. Link’s features, especially when he’s young, can make some people think he’s female.

          • revenent hell

            Then why didn’t he sprout breasts during puberty?

          • Scourge626

            Whose to say Link never did? Link could just have a very flat chest. In all honesty, the only think that defines him as a male is that other people call him a male. However, the point of the argument isn’t whether or not he’s a male in previous games (as we know he is) but why can’t he be a female in another game? Skyward Sword set the premise that (SPOILERS) the spirit of the hero (Link) shall be reincarnated again and again so that Demise’s anger (which has taken the form of Ganondorf) can cause him and Zelda to suffer. Zelda was locked in as a female, but neither Link nor Demise were as you can notice that their essence is reincarnated, not their entire original form. If their spirits (or rather what makes Link a hero and what makes Demise’s anger towards him and Zelda) are reincarnated there is nothing stopping them from taking new forms. Both Link and Ganondorf have changed over the years as well and Demise looks completely different in his new form as Ganondorf. So within the game’s own continuity, there is nothing that stops Link from being a female character. And even the developers state that Link is nothing more than a avatar, a link between the character and the game. So why can’t the player choose for their avatar to be a woman instead of a man? The only real reason that Link remains a man is because it helps keep things familiar.

          • revenent hell

            The problem is changing an Iconic figure to pacify people is wrong.

            There are options other than making Link lose his dangly bits.

            If they want people to have the option of a female there are means to do so other than ruining their own “history” within the game and its iconic figures.

            Also, a pet peeve, if your write such a long reply please space your paragraphs (three spaces will do it when you are writing or you can edit it for the spaces) Your reply was terribly hard to read because of it and I was tempted to not even do so..

          • Scourge626

            They aren’t pacifying anyone. It’s not like every person here who wants a female Link would go into a rage and suddenly stop playing The Legend of Zelda if they didn’t do what they asked. It would just be cool to have the option to play as a female Link, it would probably increase player turn out, it shows more inclusiveness, and nothing is being lost (only added), but if he remained a boy that would be fine. They could make Zelda the main character and that would be fine.

            The reason for turning Link into a woman works better than the other options is because Link is such an iconic character or rather symbolic character. The problem I’m noticing is that people are hung up on Link being a male and not what he stands for as the developers want us to. Link is an avatar that embodies our heroic traits; courage, willpower, ingenuity, etc. As such he can be a male or a female.

            If there was anything else that made him distinctly a male other than characters referring to Link as, “he”, or, “him” and if he was the same Link (as in he never died and was never reborn) then I would object to the gender swap. But Link is a blank slate that is reborn and the developers did that purposefully to allow anyone, male or female, to interject themselves into that role. And as an avatar, it wouldn’t hurt to have the option to choose between a man or a woman or to even have him reincarnated as a woman in one game.

            And him being a woman doesn’t hurt the history at all. Again, reincarnation. Only Link’s soul is transferred from one body to the next, not his gender. It’s only been done for familiarity’s sake. Also how is having Link turn into a woman hurting the history? If he we were talking about turning an established Link into woman I would understand. But the trailer at E3 shows an entirely new Link so nothing’s getting hurt.

    • Symbol de Au

      Hahaha Gamers.

  • MrRobbyM

    How about a choice? Link IS the player and while I think a character creation is out of the question, I think a choice of gender is a good way to go about it. That way, the people that would be upset with a female-only Link would still have the option. It’d be another way to freshen up the series as well.

    I’m against adding a female-only character, but having the option would be very cool. I just hope people don’t go around wanting this for every Nintendo game. Link is a representation of you with almost no personality of his own.

    Another point would be is because Link is different in nearly every game. He never looks the same so why would something as trivial as gender matter? He’s starting to look more and more feminine with each new game anyways. Might as well!

    Edit: Forgot to add. Now that we know that IS Link, I’m upset. This is his worse redesign yet. He looks like a reject Pixar character.

    • brostar

      I’d like to see character creation, as we could have regular Link as the base character for each game, like how in Mass Effect default Shepard is always the one in marketing material and considered the official Shepard. Just do that.
      I respect that people want regular Link but if someone else can customize their character, i don’t see why they should complain. As long as they get to be regular Link, it shouldn’t be a problem. This is an option. It has no effect on them if they ignore it. Yet they still complain.

      • MrRobbyM

        I just don’t see Nintendo ever adding character creation. Most people will play the game once and maybe again years from then. Playing as a customized character will make Link less iconic even with him being an option. As long as female Link looks similar, I think it could work.

        Yeah, I think it’d be pretty cool, I just don’t see Nintendo doing it is all.

  • Elemiel

    I just had a thought. Now the the thought of there being a girl MC in this type of game sounds interesting, but what if instead of just turning Link female, they just took a chance and made a spankin’ new IP?

  • epy

    No thanks. We have Zelda. I would love a game where she is the main character and Link plays a supporting role. Or a game that has two routes, one from Link’s perspective and one from Zelda’s perspective.

  • https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVv1lEOaP0rJUQMutGSYgsQ Afarr

    Nah. I rather keep Link as a male. I would rather play as Zelda in another game instead!

  • XypherCode

    I’m not being sexist or anything but as far as traditions go, I’d like to have Link be male…always. But it’s totally NOT a problem if we can have a female playable character in a main Zelda game. Just not Link. Even if they totally remove Link in the game and I’m fine with a new female protagonist.
    As I said before with Xenoblade Chronicles X, as much as I want to get my hands on that game, I want a dedicated hero and not something we can “customize” or change at the start of the game. At least for JRPGs/Action RPGs. Of course MMOs are different.

    • MrRobbyM

      I find most JRPG protagonists to be annoying. I thought Shulk was alright, but I prefer world/politics stories more than character driven stories anyways.

      How much could they reuse the whole ‘special teenager with a special ability destined to save the world’ idea too?

      • XypherCode

        To each their own I guess. But it doesn’t have to be character driven in terms of story telling. It doesn’t necessarily need to revolve around the character. What I meant was interactions within the game and how they interact with the main hero.
        I mean if at the start the player can customize or change the gender and traits of the main character, then the actual narrative of the story will be kinda messed up in terms of player interactions. For example, regarding NPCs and party members, they wouldn’t really know how to properly interact with you because you’re a “special” kind of hero. It’s like whatever gender you play as, the interactions will be sort of generic as far as story, narrative, and player interactions is concerned. The fact that your party members can’t even say your personalized name is kinda weird! I’m not sure if you understand all that but that’s how I see it. :)
        That said, I still enjoyed playing RPGs like Fire Emblem Awakening with your MU and the Persona series where you select your own name.

        • MrRobbyM

          I totally agree! I usually enjoy the main protags in Tales and Final Fantasy games, but in others it’s usually hit or miss. I really do enjoy both but if a main character doesn’t really need distinction, I think character customization is good. It allows you to put yourself in the game rather than someone else. It’s a different experience.

          • XypherCode

            Yeah totally. I admit there are some games that can take advantage of main character customization. A good one was PSU: Ambition of the Illuminus.
            One other thing I like when you get a dedicatad hero is for example if there are romance elements in the game w/c imo are central parts in JRPGs as well. Let’s say Xenoblade on the Wii. You got Shulk and he’s a guy so you can have romantic relationships with some heroine that fits well within the actual story. If you have a personalized hero that can be either a male or female then that element is kinda cut-off, right? So I was reaaally expecting that element in Xenoblade Chronicles X. Of course it’s not a deal breaker and I’m really happy with what I’m seeing about the game. Same goes with Tales and I know you know almost all of the Tales games has romance in them.

  • kylehyde

    I think that I’m part of a minority that wanted that the person of the trailer to be a woman. I mean, I love Link, but it would be awesome if we play as Zelda for once

    • David García Abril

      Oh, there are TONS of people who want to play as Zelda (we already did in “Spirit Tracks”, but that’s another story).

      The problem here is the idea is the idea of swapping Link’s gender.

  • James Reht

    I’d like a female link, it would change things up at least. Though maybe having an option would be good, please everybody except for a few whiny people

  • Ying

    Why do we have to choose between a female Link or a male one. Why not just make Zelda playable (which is the female everyone wants to play as), and the regular male Link? That way everybody wins

  • Skye Johnson

    The whole reaction to his side comment is really interesting to me. I’d love to see or have the option of playing as a female mc for a game. Whether that’s Zelda, a version of Link’s sister a la Windwaker, or a female incarnation of the hero of time (kind of like what Avatar does with its Avatar cycle) , I’d be extremely open to it. I also wouldn’t mind having the creators comment on this whole female reincarnation thing as a whole, to put this “it would negatively break lore/tradition” thing to rest.

    If it’s not a possible thing that fits with the freedom this canon gives, they can state so themselves. Otherwise, I’ll find it an interesting possibility to entertain.

  • https://www.youtube.com/user/BaoZakeruga BaoZakeruga

    I’m all for a female Link.

  • UUDDLRLR BASTART

    God damn western gamers and the stupid shit they get hung up on.

    • epy

      It’s not as much western gamers as the online western gaming media. They have realized these articles make amazing clickbait.

  • http://wiredjungle.wordpress.com/ DrakosAmatras

    “I don’t want people to get hung up on the way Link looks because ultimately Link represents the player in the game.”

    “[…] the character Link represents, again, the player.”

    Oho~ Is that an indirect offer?

    However the decision may end up during development, my vote will be a clear “Yes” throughout.

  • Darkdragonaxel

    I don’t find the idea of a playable femLink or such but i would prefer it to be a choice at the start of the game then forced on me cause if it was forced then i would demand the same from every other game that has a female protagonist why should it be a female Samus i want it to be male it’s not in the role? it’s a icon character for females? You don’t want to change some of gaming’s best female icons to male because i have an opinion and because there is no problem except fan out lash?
    You see the point I am trying to make if you want change just because you feel like you want it then i also want other kind of change.
    I bet half of you are sure to call it sexist but it’s not why should you only change Link why can’t we change Samus Or Lara Croft or everyone oh wait because that would mean we would have to make everyone happy.
    Just shut up and enjoy the darn game.It’s not like if Link remains Male you will not buy the game and if so then i am sorry to say that you sir are a true sexist you choose games only if they fit your parameters and if they don’t then they must be crazy.
    So go and ask to change Link into female but then do not complain when people want a male Lara Croft or Male Chell ect. just because that would spice things up.
    Change is a good thing when it happens “NATURALLY” not controlled by the whims of people.

  • Sneferie

    Not understanding all the hate for the idea of a female Link. As another commenter said, Link is pretty much the biggest blank slate when it comes to gaming characters. And, as others have said, it’s not the same Link every game–does he really have to be reincarnated as a man /every single time/? Would having him be female, FOR ONCE, really ruin everything for you guys? I’m 1000% for it. Seeing Link take charge as a woman would be incredibly gratifying for me as a long-time Zelda fan who also happens to be a woman. If Link is a representation of the player, and half of gamers are women and girls, then having Link be a woman once in over 20 years is far from unreasonable.

    • Ying

      As a long time Zelda fan who is also a woman, I’d prefer he stay male. They have Zelda right there. Aonuma himself even said that Zelda doesn’t always have to a be a princess, and Link doesn’t always have to come from the same place. Changing Links gender just sounds like a cop out when you have Zelda right there. Hell the reaction to her being playable in Hyrule Warriors should be indicative enough that it is her, and not a genderbent Link, that people actually want.
      This is the issue the majority of the people here are having. They don’t want a genderbent Link, but would be fine with Zelda

      • Sneferie

        This is a fair point. However, Zelda isn’t the Hero of Time. I guess I’d find Zelda as the protagonist an equally satisfactory solution, but only if it were not as a princess. Making Zelda the lead, but still keeping her a princess and not a legendary warrior, would defeat the whole purpose imho.

        • David García Abril

          I don’t see why being a princess would defeat the whole purpose.

          If she saves the day, she would still be a heroine.

          In any case, we already have a game where she’s not a princess.

          • Sneferie

            I just feel like “princess who lead the charge in saving the day that one time” wouldn’t offer the same esteem as “Legendary Hero of Time,” i.e. someone whose destiny revolves around saving the world again and again. And I’m not sure why I’m being downvoted for calmly (and, as far as I can tell, rationally) stating my opinion :

          • David García Abril

            I think at this point Zelda has pretty much the same “legendary” status as Link. They only need to add (or rather, enhance) the “heroic” part.

            And about the “Hero of Time” thing… that’s only one of Link’s incarnations.

        • Ying

          To be fair, Link is only the Hero of Time in 2 games: OoT and MM. Link’s title always changes like how in WW he is referred to as the Hero Wind. It wouldn’t matter either way because the whole rescuing subplot is a result of the Big Bad wanting the two triforce pieces and Link would still have his. In fact, it could be that Ganondorf wised up and went after Link before he got stronger in order to foil him from screwing up his plans AGAIN. Then Zelda catches wind of it, and decides (instead of running and hiding) to try and save him. Her being the bearer of the Triforce of Wisdom would probably mean that her dungeons are even more puzzle focused then Link’s, and nothing more. Link only ever defeats the Big Bad after he gathers Courage, Wisdom, and Power after all. Zelda can just do the same

    • David García Abril

      That’s the problem: Link’s is NOT a real blank slate at this point.

      Ever since the jump to 3D, and specially in cel-shaded games, Link has had a proper demeanor and distinguishable character traits on his own.

      Plus: Zelda. I WANT ZELDA TO BE A FULL-TIME PLAYABLE CHARACTER DAMN IT! lol “Spirit Tracks” was a step in the right direction. Let’s give the next one already!

      • Sneferie

        I disagree with the notion of Link having a distinguishable and consistent personality. Ocarina of Time Link, Twilight Princess Link, and Wind Waker Link all emote considerably differently. And even if he does have a consistent personality, what stops a female iteration of Link from expressing herself the same way? Link’s manhood doesn’t actually define and shape his character. He’s just a person trying to save the world. Why can’t a woman feasibly fill that role without having to resort to substituting in a completely different character (Zelda)?

        • David García Abril

          I think that we can just “agree in disagree” about Link not having a proper personality.

          And about why couldn’t a female iteration of Link from expressing herself the same way, because at this point then it would feel more like a doppelganger, rather than an actual female version of the character.

          Actually, wouldn’t we be falling in the whole “Mrs. Dude” trap, now that I think about it? You know, being able to only cope with female characters if they are a female version of an already established male character?

          And about the last question, I could actually ask you the very same thing: Why can’t a female character like Zelda be “just a persona trying to save the world”?

          • Sneferie

            But see, I don’t think it would seem like a doppelganger, because of the whole reincarnation aspect of it. I don’t think it’s that far-fetched to consider Link being reincarnated as a woman sometimes.

            As for your last question, I mention this in a comment further down, but Zelda doesn’t historically have the same agency as Link. She isn’t the coveted “Legendary Hero.” That’s not saying she’s helpless, but Link is the one who actually goes into the dungeons and slays huge monsters. He gets his hands dirty, so to speak. Zelda just kind of jumps in to help at the end. For those reasons, a female Link actually makes more sense to me than Zelda leading a main-series LoZ game.

          • David García Abril

            I see a lot of people saying that gender changes fit the reincarnation aspect, as if it was an established element in that theme, mostly because it’s what the “Avatar” franchise does.

            The thing is, it really isn’t. Reincarnation mythologies vary from culture to culture, and yes, in some of them, the gender varies. But there are also others where it doesn’t. Games like “Xenogears” or mangas like “Ayashi No Ceres” are examples of this.

            And there are more hints in the Zelda series that point of a male reincarnating hero.

            And I don’t follow your logic about Zelda. You say that only because Link hasn’t been a female before, it doesn’t mean turning him into a woman wouldn’t make sense.

            And yet, you say that making Zelda the hero makes less sense to you “because historically she doesn’t have the same agency as Link”? Something that’s debatable at best, BTW.

            So changing a character’s gender makes more sense than making an active character more, well, active?

          • Sneferie

            You’re the one who is referring to it as “changing the character’s gender.” That concept has absolutely no role in my reasoning. The way I see it, it’s not changing the character’s gender because it’s a new version of a character each time. Some mythologies involve reincarnations of only the same gender, but there’s no evidence that this principle is strictly what was intended by Nintendo. These “hints” of a consistently male hero could simply be because it aligns with what Nintendo has done with Link in the past. And even if it was originally what Nintendo intended… it’s *Nintendo’s* series. Their canon. They’re not powerless to change things up if they please, especially with a concept as nebulous as reincarnation. There is no set in stone rule that they can never change things just because of what they’ve done in the past.

            The fact is that I /relate/ to and /admire/ Link. He always comes from humble beginnings, is adventurous and strong. On the other hand, I don’t relate to Zelda whatsoever, so why would I want her to represent my gender when there are better options available? Link’s manhood has never defined him. It was always his courage. And this should go without saying, but women can be courageous too. That’s why a reincarnation of Link simply having a vagina is way more believable to me than Zelda suddenly picking up a sword and cutting down monsters.

  • http://keiserone.tumblr.com/ KeiserOne

    In each Zelda iteration, descendants are: male for Link, and female for Zelda. Would be cool for once to have genders swapped, and the girl/Link descendant tries to save the prince. That would be a real game changer and they can have so much fun with the story.

    • David García Abril

      You know… If they swapped Zelda’s gender as well… I’d actually be OK with that.

      That way, they’d avoid to mess up the mythological dynamics of the lore.

      But I still rather play as Zelda. :P

    • Ying

      I still don’t see the need to swap genders in the first place (Zelda is right there), but it would be much nicer if they do make Link a girl, Zelda a boy, and Ganondorf (or whoever it is) be female as well. They are the bearers of the three pieces of the Triforce, and none of them have to be a predetermined gender. It’s just that they have been that way for decades so it would probably feel a little odd for a time.

      • http://keiserone.tumblr.com/ KeiserOne

        Cool/different stuff doesn’t happen when there’s a need for it. It creates it. Plus it’s because things have been this way for ages, that they’re starting to break out of the norm (set by them, untied by them).

        • Ying

          Different isn’t always good, and I don’t really see genderbending the characters as cool. :/

          I think that it is because they have stayed the same way for ages that people are so against the idea. If it was a new IP nobody would give a damn, but this one is 2+ decades old. There also is no reason for why they should have to genderbend Link instead of just having Zelda playable. Nobody has given a good reason for this

          • Jettythesunfish

            People are against it because they’re not open-minded. There’s no need to be so fiercely against Link being female. Link being a reincarnation gives rise to such a possibility.

          • Ying

            It’s not a problem of not being open-minded. It’s just that there is no reason for Link to be made female. Zelda is already an established character that nobody would have a problem playing as. Personally I’d prefer if both Link and Zelda were playable.

          • Jettythesunfish

            Every incarnation is different from the last. There isn’t a reason per se (there doesn’t need to be one), but the possibility is there. So why not? Why shpuldn’t there be a female Link?

            And sure, I’d like for Zelda to be playable like she is in Hyrule Warriors, but I find no problem with a female Link as well.

          • Ying

            You may not need a reason to make a female Link, but a lot of other people are going to want to know why after 20+ years a male, they suddenly made him a girl. (that also answers your other questions)

          • Jettythesunfish

            No, it doesn’t answer anything. Nintendo has established every Link as being an incarnation. That doesn’t mean Link can’t be female. In the end, the problem comes back to fans not being open-minded.

          • Ying

            All of them have been male though, and that is the problem with that argument. If they had made 1 or 2 female Links in between all of those male Links there would be no problem. The issue is that it has been 20+ years where every single one has been male. This includes the ones related to one another (OoT and TP), those who come 100 years after the first (WW + ST to name one pair), and those that have nothing to do with one another.
            It is not as if Nintendo couldn’t have done so since they did make Samus during a time where a female main lead was practically unheard of. It just seems weird that Link would suddenly reincarnate as a female when he never has before or after (depending on where this is in the timeline).
            I don’t think that shows a person is close-minded because, again, nobody has an issue with a female lead for a LoZ game. It’s making an established as male character female that is the problem. And that is it’s own separate can of worms, but this comment section doesn’t need another one of these arguments so how about we agree to disagree? I doubt we are going to come to an agreement, and it’s not like we have any control of what Aonuma actually does.

          • Jettythesunfish

            Link has never been established as male, first off. Every incarnation of Link just happens to be male. And what, just because every Link has been male means that a female Link is out of the question? Where is the clause that states that every single incarnation of Link has to be male? There is no reason there can’t be a female.

            I, for one, hope that Aonuma eventually does make this Link female.

          • Touma

            more of the fans seeing every link as one single, cohherent character. instead of the incarnated spirit of the hero that lore and indeed aonuma and his gang see him as. which i can understand, cause like people mentioned hes been a “he” for many years. so its less of him being inherently less useful for being female as it is just weird turning a traditionally male character female even if canon allows.

    • SolRevr

      The Legend of Zeldo.

  • nyobzoo

    No thanks, I prefer link to be male.

  • Spirit Macardi

    Frankly I see nothing wrong with having a female Link. Hell, go ahead and have a male Zelda too. I’m all for it.

    I mean, the series has already established that the cycle of rebirth isn’t always the same. Sometimes Demise’s essence comes back as Ganondorf, other times Vaati, or even someone brand new. So who’s to say that the essences of Link and Zelda have to always be the same? And this is without even taking the split timeline thing into account.

    Link’s already the poster boy for bishonen characters anyway, so what would having him be female even alter aesthetically? x3

  • J_Joestar

    I wonder if they should try something like KH:DDD or GTAV did.
    Have 2 different campaigns that you could switch between at various intervals, Link and Zeda would start off at different places and have their own unique abilities that give them greater access to certain areas than the other character.
    It could also give an interesting optional gamepad multiplayer options to boot.

  • James Reht

    Link’s roles has never been one that’s male specific, besides the whole man saves princess archetype. I don’t see why we couldn’t have a female Link once and a while, or simply a choice.

  • Kalis Konig

    Don’t make Link a girl unless we have a male or Female option. It is really quite simple. Link has always been portrayed as a young man and I want it to stay that way, Just like I want Lara Croft to always be portrayed as a woman. However if they insist on making Link a girl, Give us the option to choose our gender.

  • Anon-non

    I’ve personally always assumed Link to be genderless. The androgyny made it clear that he could be of either gender, though I guess the grunts in some games lean heavily towards male. Has his gender EVER been addressed?

    • Kalis Konig

      He has always been refered to as a young boy or man. or called a HE by the creators and in-game.

    • David García Abril

      Considering they always use male pronouns to refer to him… Yeah, he’s been.

      Not to mention the subtle, yet obvious romantic undertones with other female characters in many of the games (OOT even was supposed to have Dating Sim elements at one point, but they were scrapped).

  • Anon-non

    Calling it now: Prince Zelda.

    • David García Abril

      Isn’t “Zelda” a female name? :S

      I think if they gender swap her, they’ll have to find another name…

      • Ying

        Link is a male name theoretically. It has always been associated with male Link and I’ve never heard anybody else use it for a woman. They could just say screw it and keep the names though since video game land doesn’t really care much about names that make sense after all haha

  • icedearthaholic

    I feel the best thing to do would be a playable female character with her own quest and story to attend to alongside Link’s quest. Either Princess Zelda or another character created for the game. That would be awesome.

  • Anon-non

    I’ve noticed than whenever a game company makes a big change to existing franchises, the internet rides through the same five stages of grief; denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. Looks like the internet is in stage 2! :P

  • NeptuniasBeard

    Why do people talk as though there is, and only has been, one Link throughout the series. He’s not an established character, there are almost 20 of him (two of them are in Smash Bros), several with there own personality quirks, and yes,even altering physical appearance. If you’re getting pissy just because one Link happens to be female, then you are going to lose your marbles that there’s a young link, old Link, left hand Link, right hand Link, blonde Link, brunette Link, reluctant hero Link, super heroic Link, cocky Link, and a Link that loves to sleep.

    I’m honestly surprised it took this long for chick Link.

  • FivePointedTheStar

    They could make a female character with the Triforce of Wisdom as the hero. Or even a female character with the Triforce of Power as the hero, to demonstrate that the hero doesn’t have always to be male, as well as the hero not always having the Triforce of Courage. In the right hands or in the wrong hands, either piece of the Triforce can be good or evil.

    I would love it if the Zelda universe explored this more.

  • Yan Zhao

    So if Link is female, can we have Prince Zeldo to um…rescue?

    • jugss

      And Female Ganon.

  • Anon-non

    As strong as Zelda is as a character, a nice break from the “hero-saves-princess” trope is much needed. Not a sexism issue, just a nice change of pace I think. Even the prospect of traditional female Zelda rescuing traditional male Link sounds boring already. Have them team up, do it co-op style! Now that’s interesting!

    It’s funny how grey-area this situation is. Is Nintendo overcompensating for gender-equality? Are those that are against it sexist/too conservative? Is this an issue? SHOULD this be an issue? If this is Nintendo’s plan to make people talk about the game, it sure is working! I don’t think A Link Between Worlds was ever this talked about! :P

    • icedearthaholic

      And this is why I think having Zelda be playable as well as Link and moving the story beyond “Rescue the Princess” would be an evolution of the franchise like no one’s business as it would expand it to “Saving Hyrule from total destruction”. Would love nothing more than to see that, especially if Zelda were given her own abilities to use in battle.

  • Jesse

    Looking through what he said, he never DOES state this Link’s gender.

  • Skeledon

    If this is some open world game like TES series, I’d want to choose the gender of my character. I’m all for this idea.

  • Anon-non

    Uhm, guys. We can all agree that Adventure Time with Fionna and Cake is mind-blowingly amazing, right? Get what I’m implying! *wink wink*

  • Eder García

    so Link is a flat chest girl now? … i’m OK with this

  • http://www.thejaystack.com/ Jon Stachewicz

    NEETs Get Up in Arms and Fall to Pieces Over Gender Identity of Fictional Character, No One Surprised

  • AyanFaust

    Few things. Guys, Hero of TIme is ONE incarnation of LInk. It’s a small gripe, but please stop acting like that’s his title >.>. He’s also been called Hero of Winds, Hero chosen by the Gods, and many more titles. Also, Link is an icon at this point. Changing him(despite his reincarnation cycle) would be a more than a little strange.

    Also, for the people talking about gender bending Zelda as well. Zelda is the human representation of a goddess…. GODDESS. As in not male. That’s even stranger than a female link.

    I’m all for female protagonists. I would love to play a game with Zelda where arrows and magic are her key attacks rather than swordplay like Link, but gender bending Link just feels strange and unnecessary when there is already a badass female character to use.

  • Jettythesunfish

    I’d be down with a female Link. I mean who says all of Link’s incarnations have to be male?. Or maybe even being able to have Zelda actually star in a game named after her (CD-i game definitely doesn’t count).

  • ninjabart122

    I don’t particularly mind who you play as in Zelda as long as the core gameplay and themes don’t get turned into some unrecognizable thing.

    Though I have to say, this single “controversial” topic has more comments than all of the other Zelda U announcements in Siliconera combined.

  • idrawrobots

    I wouldn’t mind playing as a Female in the game, But Link has to be in the game somewhere.

  • http://twitter.com/puchixseda puchinri

    I really like Aonuma. vuv

    I am glad he’s hearing people out and I hope we do see playable female characters in the main entries (relatively soon), and I’m glad he’s not stuck on concepts like keeping the same appearance for characters, or restricting them to gender.

    • Curtis Kam

      I wonder which comment area he will listen to. And I won’t mind playing different characters if that possible or create one since I want to name my character to thing that defines them. One Caboose Prime the demon destroyer, second Voltron the defender of the universe. Lol :)

  • Curtis Kam

    Which comment is Eiji following at? I just want to say can’t tell it was a girl or not (I just assume as a guy since there no errr breast and have a man face). I hope this game you are allow to create your own character by scratch or have multiple characters with different classes.

  • Red Antares

    I’m a fan of the Zelda games and I wouldn’t mind playing as a female link for a change, it’s not a big deal for me, as long as they don’t over sexualize the character.

  • Eilanzer

    why everything need to be about gender these days? o.o even poor link is about to have his **** cut Ç_Ç

  • Nekonekonekomata

    They say Link is supposed to represent the player but I have never felt represented by him.

  • Jettythesunfish

    Might I suggest that before anyone comments, they do some thorough research on what “reincarnation” means? Because it does not mean that Link will always be male. The world as you know it will not implode in on itself just because Link becomes female for this game. It’s that attitude that halts progress.

    Learn to accept change, people.

    • David García Abril

      Actually, if you do some research about what “reincarnation” means, you’ll find out that not in all interpretations and cultures the soul changes gender from lifetime to lifetime.

      For the bijillion time: the “Avatar” franchise is not a reflection of the “default” reincarnation mythology!

      • Jettythesunfish

        You already seem to be strongly against Link being female from the start, so replying to me with that is pointless.

        • David García Abril

          So my reply would only have a point if I agree with you?

          Yeah, that’s good logic. ¬¬

          • straightthrucru

            To be fair: there’s nothing ‘logical’ about the concept of reincarnation, either.

          • Jettythesunfish

            No, but your reply is already affected by bias.

          • DragKudo

            I don’t see how his/her comment is bias. Unless you’re giving an example.

          • Vorsun

            And yours isn’t?

          • Jettythesunfish

            I like the idea of a female Link because it’ll be a nice change from the norm. I don’t think there’s any bias in that.

          • Guest

            On the contrary, you’re biased in favor of a female Link. No one is without bias.

  • DragKudo

    So i hope you listen to the fans and make the title character playable. I’ve always wanted a game where you can play as Zelda with more puzzles and the ability to become Sheik sneaking and killing unsuspected enemies or go balls out and fight them. Two stories that meet at the end or not at all. That would be a nice twist.

    Making Link female is stupid, i don’t care if he can reincarnate to a girl he has always been a male.

    • Jettythesunfish

      “Making Link female is stupid, i don’t care if he can reincarnate to a girl he has always been a male.”

      *Deep sigh*

      • DragKudo

        i’m sorry if that made me sound like a sexist idiot. I just don’t see any point in making him a female, when we already have a lot of female characters that i would love to play as.

        Maybe i should say the choice/thought of changing his gender stupid idea? I don’t know instead of quoting me and giving me the (kind of asshole) sigh. Tell me why part of my comment makes you sad or tired.

        • Jettythesunfish

          RE-IN-CAR-NA-TION.

          Link can either be male or female. That’s the point.

          • DragKudo

            Alright, I understand that but what would be the point in making Link female When we already have a good number of cool females in the series?

            Why change the gender now all of sudden? Link can reincarnate as a gerudo or Deku why didn’t they do that? They could have made link have dark skin or blue skin why no do that?

            I mean if this was a reboot the series then yeah go ahead change him into a female and change Zelda into a male. But if they only change Link’s gender then I see it as a waste and therefor a stupid choice.

          • Jettythesunfish

            *Deep sigh once again*

            There doesn’t have to be a point. The fact of the matter is that the possibility is there; nothing restricts there being a female Link.

            And are you really telling me that you’re fine with Link being a different race altogether or having a different skin color, yet a female Link bothers you?

          • DragKudo

            You made me sigh too. WHy can’t i make you happy

            THere is alsoa possibility of making Zelda, Impa, Link’s female friend a playable character as well.

            Those were supposed to be rhetoric questions, but no female link doesn’t bother me it the decision to make an iconic character that has been male since the beginning a female that bothers me.

            If they decide to go with link reincarnated as female I will call that choice stupid but I will still buy the game and support it. Same with him being reincarnated as anything else.
            If it has no point then don’t put in the game. (That’s just me).

            iF I USED RHETORIC INCORRECTLY PLEASE TELL ME

          • Jettythesunfish

            Which “iconic” Link are you referring to? Because there have been many Links. And that’s the entire idea. Every Link is different, meaning that a female reincarnation isn’t out of the ordinary.

            And calling the idea of a female Link “stupid” just makes you seem shallow, even if you’ll still buy and support the game.

          • DragKudo

            Link the character is iconic yeah there are different link’s but when people talk about Link they never say oh no I meant Link from OOT. At least where I live. Because of reincarnation they are all really the same link.

            I don’t really care if It does. I don’t hate the choice I just think its stupid. If it does happen it might grow on me. I wasn’t so fond of new dante but playing the game over and over I started to like him. Even though I still think he’s stupid.
            This is one of the reason why I think these changes are stupid because they cause fights between fans and separate the fanbase. If they can work into the story in a good way then I may change what I think about it.

            We should stop, this isn’t going to get us anywhere. It was nice talking to you. :)

          • Jettythesunfish

            Sorry if I came off as a jerk before. I’m just a little disappointed that people are strongly against the idea of a female Link even though it’s been established that every Link is an incarnation, ergo making a female incarnation entirely plausible.

            I just wish people were more open-minded, you know?

          • DragKudo

            Well everyone is open minded. They all keep saying give us a female lead. But I understand.

          • revenent hell

            Reincarnation is defined differently throughout cultures so that technically is almost a moot point.

  • ReMeDyIII

    Well male or female, you have to admit it’s generated a lot of buzz, and that’s what Nintendo needed right now, so it was a clever move on their part.

  • Vorsun

    I don’t know about making Link a girl. It feels like something different just to be different. That said, I feel like the most excited I got because of Aonuma’s original comment was not playing as Link at all. Hell, initially, I was all about playing as Aryll exploring the ‘main continent’. I’d also be all about playing as a Zelda that’s trying to fight against her captors.

    Just because they don’t make Link a girl, doesn’t mean that we have to play as a guy.

  • AndyLC

    Zelda’s already been a pirate and a ninja, so being a Nausicaa Princess wouldn’t be that dramatic a change either

    • kylehyde

      I like the idea

  • kyrt

    No, I do not want a female link unless they make a male zelda. I think changing the gender of the character could actually ruin the series if other aspects of the world do not change to match it. Unless nintendo is willing to go full on gay/lesbian relationship for loz (which I doubt) then changing the gender could actually hurt the story.

    Zelda with an alternate story is acceptable. Genderbent Link with no story alterations is not. It just wouldn’t be the same and would be unnecessary in the greater scheme.

    This comment actually worries me apparently they don’t see link as an actual character beyond a player representation and that is a damn shame. They think it is possible to just allow people to pick the gender but then link will lose character.

    • Aquarius

      I understand exactly how you feel. I thought that after Skyward Sword, Nintendo would be finally able to officially recognize romance between Link and Zelda.

      As a gamer that has played every The Legend of Zelda and hardcore fan since the first one, it’s something that I’ve been expecting for so long. But, I won’t try to interfere with their vision.

  • AndyLC

    By the way if anyone of you want a “Girl saves PRINCE!” story that defies your typical gender expectations, go fire up your SNES and put in Secret of Mana.

    Before social justice feminism was a meme, we were already getting games with strong female protagonists saving men. Before we demand ‘change’, we should acknowledge all of the great works that have already came about that gave us that ‘change’. Videogames history is filled with many gems just waiting to be unearthed once more.

    • Shippoyasha

      This is why social justice in gaming always came across as myopic and too narrow minded to me. Japanese games have had female protags, often saving male protags even as far back as early 80s. There were a lot of games in the SNES era as well.

    • Asura

      Oh come on, everybody can point out exceptions. Exceptions exist everywhere.

      What matters is the patterns and trends. And those are blatantly obvious if you leave your own myopic view that a couple exceptions suddenly mean “sexism is over!”

  • Sperium3000

    Sure, I think having a female Link would be cool. I mean, Zelda is all about the same story happening differently throughout the ages, so it makes sense that Link would reincarnate as female now and again. Link itself is a pretty androgenous name. Plus, like it is said above, if Link is supposed to be an avatar for the player, being able to play as a female character would make perfect sense, since, here’s a shocker for you, not all video game players are male.

    • Jettythesunfish

      It’s not even about male gamers. I’m male, and I like the idea of a female Link because it makes sense, given that Link is meant to be an incarnation of the Hero.

      • Sperium3000

        That’s the basically what I said, but ok.

        • Jettythesunfish

          Sorry, I was just agreeing with you.

  • Suicunesol

    (Wow too many comments to read today…)

    If we’re gonna talk female characters, just make Zelda playable. Not like female Link is implausible, but it is superficial and might not mean anything in the long run if Link still acts the same way and plays the same as all previous male incarnations.

    Meanwhile, fans have been hankering for a playable Zelda for years. It’s a good opportunity to actually have a new character with new fighting styles in a Zelda game. One that doesn’t involve so much hack n’ slash.

    Maybe Zelda and Link can travel together in this game. Link slashes sword, Zelda shoots arrows. And make puzzles designed around switching between them.

    And why stop there? Add another playable character. I don’t know–a Zora, because I could never get enough of Mikau in Majora’s Mask.

    My dream Zelda game involves multiple generations of Link. Generation one features vanilla Link. Link gets a choice of bachelorettes–Zelda, Malon-lookalike, and a Zora. Link’s offspring (who would be female) gains the abilities of her mother, and is playable after vanilla Link gets killed by Ganondorf or something. Zelda Link gains magic abilities. Malon Link can talk to animals. Zora Link swims like a jet. And so on.

    • raygunner659

      I quite like the idea of a playable Zelda actually. I think the real question would be how much we’re willing to give up a traditional LoZ game for what Aonuma has to offer. He’s already offering more of an open world (which we are joking will become TES), but I don’t think it’ll be quite as clear cut as that. The thing is if we follow the character of Zelda, who reincarnates through the bloodline of the goddess, and not Link, the spirit of the hero, then would that mean anything for the gameplay? Sure, Zelda can probably be an awesome hero, but she’s not technically the ‘hero’ of the series. It would feel more against the continuity of the series to have Zelda save the day by herself. Of course, that’s not what you’re saying, but the spirit of the hero has always been the one to overcome trials (dungeons), to grow in his journey and to defeat demise in the more dynamic and acting way. If he didn’t, would he still be the hero? I realize I’m really just raising more questions (some pointless), but still an interesting thing to consider. Also, I realize I didn’t really address a lot of your points; this sort of just became an address to every comment I’ve read. There are too many.

    • Morgan Rodgers

      Making Zelda playable is awkward, because she is a separate character with a distinct part to play in the story.

      Personally, I don’t know that switching between playable characters mid-game works for me in a Zelda. And if there are ever dating-sim elements, I’m gone.

      • Suicunesol

        “separate character with a distinct part to play in the story”

        Zelda doesn’t need to be like that though…

        But if not Zelda, then a new female character. A female Link is just not creative enough as far as new characters go.

  • https://twitter.com/BurstZX Devin Isom

    I knew it would start coming to this. And here come the feminists to
    try and change an already established character into a female just
    because.Next they’ll want zelda to be a guy to try and have the
    gender role change lmao . . . lets make ganandorf a girl while we’re at
    it.

    • DragKudo

      I wouldn’t mind a female ganon.
      They would have to make the gerudo all males. She would have the greatest harem.

    • Guest

      Um…what?

    • straightthrucru

      Male Link is not an even established character, tho. Don’t we get to choose his name each time and everything?

      • https://twitter.com/BurstZX Devin Isom

        Being able to name a character doesn’t mean the name isn’t decided. Smash bros has him named link and he is almost always referred to as link by devs.

        • straightthrucru

          My point was that it’s not even the same dude each time so it’s okay if the gender is changed.

      • DragKudo

        Technically it is the same dude at least that same dude soul.

        • Jettythesunfish

          Um…no it’s not….

          • DragKudo

            That’s not how reincarnation works? I was taught that when you die your soul is reincarnated, you gain a new body but you lose any memory of your past life. Though your body may change your soul never does.

            I do know there are different reincarnation beliefs so eh

          • Jettythesunfish

            How do you know exactly how reincarnation works?

          • DragKudo

            I don’t but what has been taught throughout history kind of helps. I see that you’re one of those people that question everything so you can sound right. maybe i don’t know whatever. Like i said their are different reincarnations.

          • DragKudo

            oh i see. lol that was supposed to be a question. my bad

    • http://keiserone.tumblr.com/ KeiserOne

      There’s nothing feminist about a gender change. It’s to shake things up and explore new paths. You look like the type of male bro-dude which likes to measure his e-penis each day with macho video games, holding a beer, and cramming his mouth with donuts and bacon, just to reassure himself all is right in his manly world. Get over yourself -.-

      • https://twitter.com/BurstZX Devin Isom

        No one said there was something feminist about the change. I was implying random people who don’t play or really give a damn about the series will try to give input about it for their agenda. Similar to how people who don’t play Metroid games were complaining about zero suit samus in smash 4 Real fans of the series would be more inclined to want to play as Zelda, who is already a strong female character in the series instead of change link.

        • http://keiserone.tumblr.com/ KeiserOne

          It’s a free world, everyone tries to chime in their preference; that doesn’t mean it will be taken into consideration; you can’t force people not to get involved with things; it makes you feel entitled and elitist about something that doesn’t even belong to you.

          • https://twitter.com/BurstZX Devin Isom

            If you aren’t buying the game or haven’t in the past then no you shouldn’t get input lmao. I don’t know why you think they should get input on the matter I have every right to be annoyed by such a thing.

            This mindset isn’t elitist. people need to stop throwing that word out there without knowing what it really means.

          • http://keiserone.tumblr.com/ KeiserOne

            Elitist is thinking you have the superiority (whether mentally or physically) over something or someone. That’s exactly what you’re doing when you’re telling people to shut up about what they want; AND in this case look at the article: “Let Nintendo Know”. That’s exactly what people are doing. You have the right to be annoyed, but don’t tell people what to think or want.

          • https://twitter.com/BurstZX Devin Isom

            wth are you talking about I never said either or. And what you described isn’t what I did. I don’t think I’m better than anyone saying any of this so it’s not an elitist attitude.

    • Jettythesunfish

      No one is trying to change Link. There aren’t any “evil feminists” at work. All of this started because of rumors and Aonuma took notice. Besides, every Link has been a reincarnation, so it would make sense if there was a female Link.

    • revenent hell

      It’s only because people want female options that they are considering this. Feminism plays a minute part if any.

      And if they did change him to a female it would only be fair to change the others to male unless nintendo plan to become gay friendly which I don’t see happening for a major title brand like this.

  • Roberto Ibarra

    Get real, for the purposes of a videogame, transgender “reincarnation” is the same as gender bending and destroying the character. There is no appearance, role or representation of Link’s genderless otherwordly soul anywhere, and it now can never have a meaningful existence that replaces the original, seasoned protagonist. Link is not immutable, but it is a hero with a set of specific and stable features. Changing them equals destroying him. Period.

    • http://keiserone.tumblr.com/ KeiserOne

      Who even stated all these things? Are you the writer? The creator of the franchise? How is creating a female descendant destroying the character? Unless you think females can’t be heroes.

  • Altsein

    Well, I’m not buying the game if link becomes a woman. Simple as that. Being a long time series fan I just can’t see link becoming a woman. Just make a new character or make Zelda playable and give her the quest of saving link for a change.

    • Jettythesunfish

      Your loss.

      Oh, and for the record , saying such a thing makes you sound like an ass.

      • Altsein

        Not really. Got plenty of other good games on my backlog (And by then, if should be even bigger, my backlog that is).

        I can go a generation without Zelda easily. (Just like I did with Windwaker, but ended up getting the HD version).

  • Slickyslacker

    I’d rather have Zelda U’s protagonist be a “descendant of Link”, and not an “incarnation of Link” if said protagonist is to be female. Even if, in Zelda continuity, these two states are effectively interchangeable.

    In any case, it’s undeniable that the character in the trailer is an effeminate manifestation of Link, and I love it.

  • Yuuki

    I don’t really see a problem,if they had an option to choose a female or male Link that would be great. For people who prefer male Link(and people who are blinded by nostalgia),and for people who would like a female Link.

    • Slickyslacker

      But that defeats the purpose of making Link distinctively effeminate, for the first time.

      • raygunner659

        I’m not sure if they’re going for distinctly effeminate, are they?

        • Slickyslacker

          No, not necessarily. But in that case, allowing the player to choose the same Link’s gender would defeat the purpose.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            Then your point is moot since that’s not what they were going for.

    • Shippoyasha

      Oh yeah. ‘Blinded by nostalgia’.

      Nice strawman.

      • Yuuki

        It’s the truth,some people don’t want their memories and image of Link to be threatened by change. I would prefer a regular teenage male Link,and to be able to play as Zelda if I had to play as a female,but I don’t see how it would be so catastrophic to have an option.

        • Shippoyasha

          Maybe people just identify Links as a boy hero just like people see Zelda as a princess. Also, nobody says the protagonist can’t be any other female hero or even Zelda herself.

          Progress is nice, yes, but I fail to see how Link being a guy is a ‘problem’ that needs fixing.

  • Shippoyasha

    It seems gender wars bug has bit Siliconera. Just saddening really. This topic is straight out of social justice havens like Tumblr and Kotaku. Just not something we should be taking cues from.

    While I can understand the want for female protagonists, to say that turning Link female is okay just doesn’t sit right with me. Imagine turning Zelda male. Imagine turning Lara Croft male. Nathan Drake female. Marcus Fenix a female. Bowser into a female. Just tossing genders around wily nilly is actually freaking offensive to me to change a character.

    And to say that Link is powerful ‘because he is a boy’ is so absurdly sexist I have no idea why people think that is something that needs to be advocated like it is actually ‘socially progressive’. Link and his archetype is a distinct character. If they want to have a female warrior type, they may as well design another warrior of destiny, not gender swap just to do so.

    This narrative that Nintendo is being sexist for not changing character genders on a whim just disturbs the hell out of me that people think wanton character gender change is acceptable. It’s deeply disturbing that Link being a guy is such a perturbing thing to some people.

    If they add female characters, excellent! But this idea that Nintendo is being bigoted or intolerant for letting Link stay a boy is beyond absurd.

    • Kumiko Akimoto

      I could agree somewhat, I don’t mind new perceptive in stories, the fact is that link is a character that allows for change unlike the character names you tossed out.

      I do think it is a bit far to say that nintendo bigoted or intolerant about it. They can go either way with it honestly, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have an option to do it if they really wanted to.

      • Shippoyasha

        Well, some Zelda games makes it clear that Link does have an identity as a boy of destiny though.

        And not all beliefs of reincarnation believes in the idea of infinite variability upon reincarnation. From how Zelda games have been so far, it is pretty clear everyone reincarnated without variability. Like Ganon.

        Maybe they will make Link female and work it into the lore. Who knows? But if Link stays a male then I don’t think that’s equatable to Nintendo denying the ideal of a female protagonist. Not to mention it shouldn’t land into this narrative that having a male lead is suddenly ‘problematic’. God I freaking how the ‘problematic’ word is abused these days.

        • Kumiko Akimoto

          I don’t think it’s problematic either but I do think the option is there. I think it’s silly how many people are saying nay to it despite that fact.

          • Shippoyasha

            Maybe, maybe not. It depends on what the creatives want. I am mostly irked a this instance of forcing Link to be genderbent just because he is so effeminate. Not everybody are wielding pitchforks about the issue. I get that. But Nintendo shouldn’t be shamed and bullied into doing what they want to do.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            Honestly I thought that was silly when people kept saying that image of link was a girl, considering it looks nothing like a girl and effeminate and a ponytail does not automatically equal girl.
            I don’t want this to end up like tomodachi life either but I think if we actually just talk to them they’ll listen maybe not for this game but maybe a next one. I mean it’s nintendo.

          • Shippoyasha

            I just hope they don’t start genderbending though. It just opens up a whole can of worms where it wouldn’t make sense if Ganon is the same. And I can expect the appropriate outrage if some character are genderbent while some others aren’t. Besides it’s not even like Link and Zelda are only Hylian out there. It’s supposed to be an entire continent full of them.

            Maybe they can make a side story featuring a female protagonist perhaps. Though if they want to set it in Hyrule, then it doesn’t make sense if Zelda is suddenly a man or there’s a prince when Zelda is supposed to be the preeminent princess figure in the lore. The whole timeline does seem patchwork at first, but there is a certain madness to the method.

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            I just want a female link that’s all. Is it really that hard?

    • straightthrucru

      You don’t believe in social justice?

      • Shippoyasha

        Not when social justice is forced and used to shame and demean people. I am pretty liberal minded. But I hate this militarizing of the gender issues to a point where we are supposed to be putting down males to respect other genders. I know many people mean well but it just seems to roll into a weird place where we ‘must’ progress and change or else it’s intolerant or sexist.

        I don’t believe we have to be so embroiled in this modern narrative that gender discussion automatically equates to a huge gender war.

        • straightthrucru

          I don’t think anyone is putting down males. It’s interesting that you see gender war in these comments because I’ve been interpreting them as discourse, mostly.

          And I don’t quite understand what people can find wrong with wanting to break down gender barriers and progress. You may not want to hear this, but it IS actually pretty intolerant and sexist to feel that progress is not necessary. Most countries in the world are patriarchal and this will remain the case until people stop resisting it.

          • Shippoyasha

            Forcing a gender war where there was none is what militarization of talking points is. You are forcing me into being some enemy for not pushing for ‘change’ not matter how brutish the effort is.

            Don’t force the ‘patriarchy’ discussion please. This game has nothing to do with that. You are forcing your card.

            Not to mention I haven’t mentioned anything about pushing for equality as a bad thing. I am talking about making everything a toxic gender argument when it doesn’t need to be forced into it. Not siding lock in step with modern day hashtag activism doesn’t mean I detest equality. I hope people have the sense to apologize shoving people into this you versus me narrative. I never see it. It’s always a rabbit hole into how virtuous someone is over someone else. It’s an ugly way of viewing the world.

          • straightthrucru

            It’s not a card, though! I’m trying to engage in a discussion of why this is such a hot topic, and why you’ll find a lot of gamers who think having a female protagonist in these games is important.

            If you read the comments, a lot of people here are just confused about why gender should matter. I’m just telling you that it does because women are, in fact, undervalued by society and drastically underrepresented as protagonists in the video game medium.The reality of the situation, whether you want to admit it or not, is that this ultimately is an issue of gender representation.

            I won’t push any further if you’d like to ignore the issue altogether, but I just thought I’d let you know that I don’t think discussing social justice is that ‘out of place’ in most aspects of pop culture and entertainment. This was no exception.

          • Shippoyasha

            Forcing this narrative that someone is being sexist for having a male character is far beyond asking for gender diversity though. It is making a witchhunt where there should be none. And I disagree that gaming is extremely starved of female protagonists. At least not from the Japanese and indie gaming markets. A lot of that discussion is from the AAA western gaming market. Which is fair I suppose, but pushing the issue like having male protags is somehow a big gaffe irks me.

            And really, gender is not a huge deal for everyone. I actually think it is unfair to say that a character being male or female makes it so much easier to identify with one. It should be about what a character does and represents, not what their gender turns them into. If that means it is happening through a male character, I just don’t see an issue with it.

          • straightthrucru

            It doesn’t seem like it should be a huge deal but it is very much so! People, especially young people, internalize things like gender. This is why girls are pushed to play with barbies and princesses while boys end up playing with burly toy soldiers. I also think that this is why Nintendo, known to be the company that make games for all ages, is getting it worse than other companies with this and the Tomodachi Life scandal. They play a pivotal role in shaping our youth.

            Ultimately, gender is performed, so the only change we’re asking for is an aesthetic one. There really shouldn’t even be push-back, as many people have pointed out that Link lacks a personality altogether. I think that’s what irks me in this scenario.

          • Shippoyasha

            To be fair for this game, it IS a musou game and we’ll likely see every character, maybe even Cia being playable and playing a role in the plot.

            And not sure why westerners were going after Tomodachi Life and Nintendo like that. Japan doesn’t have a huge emphasis on marriage as the kind of combative issue it is in the west. Not to mention gay couples simply live together. It just isn’t something that is a militant issue there. That is another thing westerners are forcibly narrating instead of understanding differences of culture is a thing. The presence of something is not meant to be an explicit denial of another

        • Touma

          I don’t think thats nintendos line of thinking at all. they aren’t considering the idea because of social warrior bs. which, btw reaaalllllyyy urks me to no end. they are considering it from a different viewpoint from fans. they are viewing as a “blank slate” instead of the “male hero link” idea that so many fans are used to. their thinking is “why not” as is mine.

          I guess thinking from the viewpoint that hes been male and even being reincarnations people very much think of link as one character. it does seem a bit off putting. I guess i have no problem is because i have a big thing for character customization and usually go with a female character is a reason i’m so open minded about it. and i’ve just never considered link a character. not to mention the lore very much has made way for the idea of a female link via reincarnation of the hero spirit.

          I think i might have misitnerpreted what you’re saying. if so tell me.

    • Jettythesunfish

      ” Imagine turning Zelda male. Imagine turning Lara Croft male. Nathan
      Drake female. Marcus Fenix a female. Bowser into a female.”

      Well, Zelda is the incarnation of a goddess, so she’ll always be female (unless Nintendo decides to change that this time around). Lara Croft, Nathan Drake, Marcus Fenix and Bowser do not have incarnations.

      A female Link would make sense in that retrospect because reincarnation doesn’t have to stick to one sex.

      • Shippoyasha

        Not according to Zelda franchise patterns. If gender change is something that could happen, it likely would have happened already. We see Ganon stay almost exactly the same too. So there is a certain pattern to this. It’s not so different from how time travel stories has their own internal laws to them.

        If they want to change that then they will have to be more explicit with how that is happening and changing so suddenly.

        • Jettythesunfish

          You say that if a female Link is possible that it would have happened. Well, with this game, such a thing could happen. Would that be so much of a problem?

          • Shippoyasha

            Not a problem really. If they want to so then that is that.

            I just have an issue with saying that Nintendo is being sexist if they don’t change Link’s gender. Or this implication that they are not open to having a female protagonist or that a male lead is a problem.

            I am someone who purposefully goes after games with female protagonists. So it’s not about Link being a girl that perturbs me. It’s the whole ‘if Link remains a boy, it is sexist’ angle.

          • Jettythesunfish

            I don’t think the issue is Nintendo being sexist. It’s moreso the backlash from the fans who think the series will be ruined if Link is a female this time around.

          • Shippoyasha

            To be fair for the more brazen people who think that, Link’s aesthetic has largely been a male warrior. As effeminate as he is. I kind of think it could be simply about how he looks with some gamers.

    • Slickyslacker

      *slow clap*

      Link is a timeless icon because of Link’s adventures and accomplishments, over the years. There’s nothing more a TLoZ fan loves than picking up a Zelda game, and setting off on an adventure as the Hero of Time.

      To say that Link is loved because of masculine traits or gender roles couldn’t be more wrong.

      It’s hard to imagine the same Link that saw Hyrule engulfed in a deluge just waking up as a woman one day. The same Link that wandered into and saved Termina from lunar destruction. The same Link that became a half-lycanthrope, possessed by a cursed imp, and ultimately soldiered through the Twilight Realm to save the princess once more.

      Gender issues have never been a matter that The Legend of Zelda has confronted outright. Considering how emotionally charged and explosive they are, I don’t think they should be.

  • Augusto Peres

    If there’s an possibility of “female link” (that not a bad idea at all) it have to come together with Male Zelda to keep some of the romance touch on the serie like on SS o3o

    • Kumiko Akimoto

      You can romance between a female zelda and a female link.

      • MrRobbyM

        Thank you. A representation of the player and including forced, heteronormative relationship isn’t really fair. If you’re going to include genders, you need to be fair. Of course that means one side is going to get screwed over unless you get to choose your love interest as well lol.

        But that’s just the case of SS. Zelda games usually don’t have romances.

        • Shippoyasha

          Heteronormative…. oh boy. Here we go…

          • Guest

            What’s the deal, man? Are you prosophobic or what?

          • Shippoyasha

            Nope. But what does that have to do with videogames?

            Maybe we should be talking about animal rights and religion next?

          • http://people.ign.com/princerevolver Surgeon Of Death

            I knew it was coming…

          • MrRobbyM

            Don’t worry, I’m no social justice warrior. I’m just saying, if you’re going to include a female option but there is only a female love interest, then it would be unfair to cut out any romance when choosing female. Same for male/male, of course.

          • Shippoyasha

            Fair enough. I guess it’ll be hard to justify Zelda herself becoming genderbent anyway.

      • Augusto Peres

        I Know something like this are going to appers :B
        I don’t agree because this have nothing with the game :v there are other places where you can find lesbians that make sense, I think zelda should not be one :v
        (and the same goes for male link and zelda if you are going to say about it XD)

        • Kumiko Akimoto

          It wouldn’t really affect the game at all and wouldn’t be any different then having a hetero romance in the game.

          • Augusto Peres

            well, the game history say about that they are the same persons in diferent lives (sorry if I give you spoiler :v ) and zelda was even a girl and link a boy, if the invese happens, would be for both not only one of them ô3o in a simple genderbend logic XD
            but well do you this this is this easy ? you know, nintendo of america try to hide birdo the max possible because the history give problens for NOA , do you think they would let free a homo romance in nintendo games that comes to US? haha

          • Augusto Peres

            strange seens taht one of my messages got lost õ-o .. but well say this for the one that are hiding Birdo the max possible because it got problem with Noa ..
            the bigger difference would be the Rating and the fadom reaction, but what the proble of keeping link and zelda an hetero romance? they are made this way .. if you want a non hetero romance, let it for a new game with other characters for this or something alike, it’s not a problem, just don’t want to change something that are already done, they can’t make something that will have 100% aproval of everyone, nobody can

          • Kumiko Akimoto

            I’m gonna guess english isn’t your first language?

          • Augusto Peres

            yeah, hope it’s not a problem for you :v

  • Augusto Peres

    But seeing this link as female.. well some people have the same problem that the people who wanted to cut off Gunvolt’s Braid ô3o
    Come on, the people are making so much noise for nothing :p

    • DragKudo

      The fans were complaining that they decide to cut off his braid and covered his midriff in the Localized version. Get your info right. Everyone wanted to see his shiny midriff and his swinging ponytail braid.

      • Augusto Peres

        hey calm down the rage I think you don’t got what I meant :v
        I Know the fans don’t like the stupid location stuffs, but I think the guy who saw this Link as female have the some problem of the gunvolt location team that wanted to modify him because he looked feminine with the braid, midriff and shota face.
        That not my opinion at all I don’t saw this Link or GV with female looking ,I know how are boys and girls on oriental cartoony style :B
        I think the localization team are not fans of this kind of stuff this is why they change stuff as they desire and don’t understand why a boy can have braided hair and even exposed midriff can still be saw as a boy lol the same goes with link with ponytail and cute eyes ? XD

  • ryker

    I think it would make for an interesting change, and as stated already, there is no reason why this couldn’t be a thing. It could make a good pathway forfuture changes in the zelda franchise. I know Nintendo games thrive off nostalgia, but theyd do good in trying to push or change bounderies, like they did in wind waker, wich was my personal favorite.

  • Whodat

    The option to play as a female link makes sense and would be greatly appreciated.

  • TeachDRRR

    Oh god, a topic about gender. We’re going to need the moderators for this one…
    For me, I don’t really care either way, as long as it doesn’t affect the story. But I’d rather play as either an established female character like Zelda or Aryll (considering all the little WW inspirations in the trailer), or an entirely new character. I think they could craft a much better story around that then just giving a gender option for Link. Regardless, I want this game.
    Also, Aonuma, did you really expect people to not think the person in the trailer isn’t Link when you state that no one said it was him? Come on, that’s such an obvious tease that everyone would immediately jump on.

  • Kornelious

    “It’s not that I said that it wasn’t Link. It’s that I never said that it was Link.
    Read more at” Oh, ok that clear’s everything up :P

    I think he’s just trying to keep us guessing…I’m pretty sure that’s Link and I’m pretty sure he’s a dude ( If he’s not Link then who is) It’s not really about Link to much anyway (Even though he is awesome) but about the adventure which i hope we can learn more about :)

    Oh yeah, if anyone wanted to see the boxart for Hyrule Warriors it’s up on the pre-orders page on Amazon…And I have to say it looks Epic! (But just who is that girl on the right?)

    • DragKudo

      Who’s the other chick. Good Shia before getting corrupted? reminds me of someone else from another game but i cant recall her name.

  • Paul Rodriguez

    It really cracks me up how people would think Link was not male. The internet can be a funny place. Stay funny interweb people.

    And keep believing

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k8craCGpgs

  • http://Tree.com/ Busterblader

    I don’t get why everyone’s fighting about this everyone has different opinions about this and just cause you debate your opinion with someone else doesn’t mean your gonna change their opinion. In opinion I grew up with link being a guy so it’d be weird for me if they change that suddenly but that’s my opinion and I’m not gonna fight with anyone because they see it differently and that’s that.

    • Taylor Davis

      I agree. No one should be having a fit over someone’s opinion.

  • Kelohmello

    I’m not sure. Part of me wants a female link for the sake of some variety, but… at the same time, It’d be like seeing your best friend who you grew up with suddenly one day swap genders, and that’d be weird.

  • John Lawson

    How about…… Playable Zelda.
    Just Imagine,
    Zelda using Magic, a Rapier, and Speed and Dodging tactics
    Link using Gadgets, a Sword n Shield, and attack and Defense tactics.
    Its 100 times better than a lazy Gender bent Link…
    OR!
    The Pokemon Option! Link was always intended to be “You” and the Link + Zelda romance was usually a freind-zone thing, so how about the Pokemon Option to choose your gender?

    • Jettythesunfish

      It’s not really lazy when it’s been established that every Link is a reincarnation. Nothing says Link always has to be male.

      • John Lawson

        20+ games since ’86 not enough?
        (And TP Link isn’t reincarnation, he’s OoT Link’s son)

        • Jettythesunfish

          I repeat: Nothing says Link always has to be male.

          • John Lawson

            28 years, 32 releases. you go ahead and think that Nintendo will Change the no.2 most Iconic Mascot which games have brought them millions to pander to a small vocal minority.

            Just accept the possibility of a secondary female character and be done with it.

          • Jettythesunfish

            Link isn’t like Mario or Kirby or Samus. He is one of many Links. And every Link is different.When you establish a character as having many incarnations, it only comes to reason that they will be different and maybe there might even be one of a different gender. 28 years means nothing if innovation is imminent.

            Well, whatever. It all rests with Aonuma. If he wants to make this next incarnation of Link female, that’s that. You’ll have to deal with it. If its male, rejoice. You can continue to be close-minded and reject change.

          • John Lawson

            Yes, they are all different, That is why every last Link for the past 28 years have been wearing the Identical Funny hat and tunic. It’s not closed-mindedness, it’s just common sense.

          • Jettythesunfish

            The green hat and tunic are just iconic staples of Link, like Mario’s hat and overalls. Other than that, each Link has their own unique aspects. So again, one being a girl wouldn’t be that outlandish.

          • John Lawson

            Other than a few unique gadgets, what makes every Link so unique?

          • Jettythesunfish

            Physical details, voice, personality, et cetera.

          • John Lawson

            I’ll give you this, Choose 7 links and Tell me how each of them are completely unique, you do that. you win.

  • Istillduno

    No matter how many times he reincarnates link is still the same iconic character as all the other ones, age may differ and the classic green tunic may have slight differations in details but by and large he remains the same.

    Don’t change an icon, add another female character to play as or let Zelda do something playable. (Hell she’s flung magic, been a pirate and been a ninja, no-one can say she couldn’t be doing something playable)

    Maybe if it was something like the Doctor who does look different every time he re-incarnates it would be fine, but a consistant semi-mascot for Nintendo? No.

    • John Lawson

      It’s funny how so many assumptions can be drawn when link is shown without the tunic…. Like in WW… and TP… and SS….

    • Jettythesunfish

      You realize every Link has been different with almost every game, right? One Link being female won’t change anything. This Link is still Link so what would being female matter?

      • Istillduno

        No, he may have been a different person, but he always looked the same minus the variations of age when he starts his quest and tunic details.

        If you show a gamer any screenshot of Link doing something in a Zelda game once he’s got his tunic and they will instantly recognise that person as Link, that doesn’t strike me as being different enough every game to start messing with an iconic character like that.

        • Jettythesunfish

          Well the green outfit is iconic. But nearly every Link is different. Compared Wind Waker Link to Skyward Sword Link.

          • Istillduno

            You don’t think that has anything to do with Wind Waker link going on his adventure as a child and Skyward Sword link going on his as a teenager?

            Like at all?

            Yes the general art styles of the entire games themselves are also different, but the character has the same physical features he’s always had in both games allowing for the age difference.

  • Taylor Davis

    I would be fine playing a male Link instead of a female version because I think it wouldn’t ‘feel’ like a “the legend of Zelda” game. It would be cool to choose between Link and (maybe) play Zelda but I rather just play Link, like it always has been.
    Also the timeline for “the Legend of Zelda” would not make any sense if you just make Link a girl, because each link is a reincarnation of the very first hero. Making a girl the main character doesn’t fit the timeline, Zelda is a different story; but if they just make a different female protagonist than what happen to the whole reincarnation bit. There always be a hero(link),a princess(Zelda), and a demon king (ganondorf and/or another demon).

    • Jettythesunfish

      How wouldn’t it feel like a Zelda game? I mean, it’s still Link. Just a female version. I don’t think anything will change that drastically; it’d just be the introduction of a female in a long line of male heroes.

      Castlevania did it by having a female Belmont so why not Zelda?

      • Taylor Davis

        Well actually I was just going by the timeline(reincarnation thing), I wouldn’t mind playing Zelda, Heck I wouldn’t mind playing a girl.I just feel it would be a different experience playing a female role in a Zelda game. But either way I’m still going to play this game no matter what.

        • Jettythesunfish

          Well reincarnations don’t necessarily stick a character to a specific gender. So Link being a female this time around isn’t too farfetched.

          And excuse me but I really don’t see what would be so different if Link was a girl. She would still be Link, the Hero of Time.

          • Taylor Davis

            Its just an opinion and I respect yours. I guess Link being a girl this time around would not be so bad. Like I said, “either way I’m still going to play this game no matter what”. Also I’m still looking forward to this game and its new ideas.

  • Sakurazaki

    When I read Aonuma’s response I just got the notion that he thinks that Link being female/male is irrelevant, not that he’s open to the idea.

    Basically, I think he’s saying that Link is going to do the same things regardless of gender, so it doesn’t matter. His design is completely up to the devs though, and that’s just it; design. The one saving the world is the player. Link has almost always been a blank slate with almost no opinions of his own other than that he’s driven by the player to complete the games’ events. All in all, the protagonist has always been “Link” to us.

    If Link ends up a female in the future no one *should* be surprised. If he ends up male no one *should* be surprised. If he ends up a cartoon-y looking little boy, again, no one *should* be surprised. If he ends up a wolf – Oh ok, that’s new.

    I would like a just-Zelda game though (no, not CD-i). :(

  • Gojira Twit

    Look, no offense to fans but they could put a menu selection placebo at the beginning of the game letting you choose male or female, with the kicker being that you’d just get the same Link either way. That’s just the kind of character Link is.

  • Aquarius

    What I really don’t get is why people want to change the characters on a established IP. Really, why? Are you not content with one of the best characters made in terms of ideals and moral standing?

    Look past the gender for once, Link is an icon, you have way more important things to worry about the lore in The Legend of Zelda, than to having Link with a female frame. I mean really, you care more about physical appearance rather than what the character stands for? You are downgrading yourselves by putting so much importance in gender on a VIDEO GAME character.

    Also, remember that Nintendo is exploring romance between Link and Zelda (as made apparent on Skyward Sword) so with a female Link the only way to keep that trend would be to change Zelda to a male. And if they change Zelda to a male, man I can’t imagine the HUGE outcry and boycotting that would take place mostly by female fans. You see know?

    One more thing, did no one played The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks? Zelda has a pivotal role on that game and she is playable.

    • Jettythesunfish

      Why do you think that having a female incarnation of Link would be a drastic change to a franchise? She would just be a girl with the same heroic spirit as every other Link before and after her (depending on where this game takes place on the time line).

      Link has free range for this because there is nothing confirming that every Link would be male. Zelda is exempt because she is the incarnation of the goddess Hylia, so it wouldn’t make sense for her to suddenly be male.

      But you make a good point. It shouldn’t matter what gender Link is. Male or female, Link is still the hero blessed with the Triforce of Courage. Let’s look beyond gender and be open to either possibility.

      • Aquarius

        I already mentioned why (in my opinion) it will be an odd change to the established franchise, so it makes me think you did not read through my whole comment. That reason is: romance.

        Also, I’m guessing from what you said that you have read the short origin story that appears on the Hyrule Historia hardcover. On that story, the Goddess Hylia meets with a male Link, she fights with him and gives him the power to fight the evil and save the hylians. At the end, Link dies sacrificing himself for those same hylians and the Goddess hylia makes a promise with him, that his spirit will live on and she will stay by his side as a hylian.

        So, it makes perfect sense, that the Goddess will reincarnate Link as SHE REMEMBERS HIM, since it was a male Link that she met, fought and made a promise with. Think about it.

        • Jettythesunfish

          A heroic spirit extends to all genders. That’s what I’m trying to say. It doesn’t mean to restrict Link to being always male. Sure, that’s how it’s always been, but you have to acknowledge the possibility is still there.

      • Aquarius

        One more thing that I forgot to mention… well two. (sorry for the possible inbox spam)

        Quoting what you said “Zelda is exempt because she is the incarnation of the goddess Hylia, so it wouldn’t make sense for her to suddenly be male.”

        First, a Goddess can easily be represented as a male, since genders on Gods are really NOT relevant (e.g. different cultures can represent the same God as different genders).

        Second, applying that same logic you could say that “Link is exempt because he is the incarnation of the — male — Hero of Hyrule (from the origin story), so it wouldn’t make sense for him to suddenly be female.”

        EDIT** But my statement about why I think it makes sense to leave Link as a male, still stands strong.

        • Jettythesunfish

          Um, I don’t think that’s right. Sure, genders on deities might not be entirely relevant, but that doesn’t seem to be the case in Zelda lore. The Goddess Hylia is most definitely female and is identified as such.

          Link is still different in that regard, as the the term “hero” doesn’t favor one gender like “goddess” does.

          • Aquarius

            Then, I really think I made a very valid point as to why Link is always reincarnated as a male, and is that same lore you just mentioned.

            Again, subtle romance, and the fact that the Goddess only knew Link as a male, and it was a male Link that she remembers, fought and made a promise with (repeating myself in case you did not read that).

            Also in Wind Waker, the prologue story mentions ” On a certain island, it became customary to garb BOYS in green when they came of age”

            So the lore is that, boys are the only prospects for a reincarnation (per windwaker lore).

            Again, I am not against change when it makes sense and not just for the sake of it.

          • Jettythesunfish

            Eh, this whole talk of the matter is kinda wearing me out.

            I just think people should be more open to the idea of a female Link for once. What harm would it do, really? I feel the fans are overreacting; this isn’t something that will ruin the series forever. Why be afraid of such a change? I mean Castlevania had a female Belmont, even if only once, so why not a female Link?

            Oh well. I guess people will always fear change. Nothing that can be done about it.

    • Heavensrun

      (ahem) To quote some guy on the internet, “Look past the gender for once.”

      A) Not every incarnation of Link and Zelda have had romantic overtones.
      B) A male Zelda is not the only way they could explore a romance with a female Link. A female Zelda is not the only way they can explore a romance with a male Link!
      C) Zelda was not the primary protagonist of LOZ: ST Link was still the Hero, though having Zelda be more proactive as a supporting character is better than having her just be a damsel in distress.
      D) LOZ: ST was a spinoff on a handheld console rather than a game in the main franchise line.
      E) The reason people want to change the characters on an established IP is because new IPs have to struggle considerably to even garner attention. Also, in this -particular- case, it doesn’t -require- any change, since the characters are in a cycle of reincarnation. This literally goes no further than “The Hero of time happened to be born female this time.” It also means that Nintendo is free to bounce back and forth as often as they like. That makes Zelda uniquely suited to this sort of thing.

  • Boebie

    I’m with Aonuma on this one. I’ve never thought that Link had much of a personality, so I don’t see a problem with making a female Link. Linkette or whatever. It could work the same way as in Pokemon, where you choose your gender at the beginning.
    Also, all the people asking for Zelda instead are ignoring the fact that it would be a good deal more effort, time and money to make her playable. You’d have to have a new character, with unique moves, animations, etc. Unless you made her the only character, but that’s clearly not what Nintendo is going for with this game. Maybe in a spin-off or side game.

  • Bio438

    He says Link represents the player, then it would only make sense for the character have choosable genders. Why keep it one or the other? I thought the female character was terrible in p3p but it was stil good the option existed.

    • Vash bane

      as a younger player I never knew links represented the player at all

      I mean it didn’t feel like it

  • https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr8rI9ui7F5naA9EZdu_Kuw Cyborg Fairy

    I do! Okay everyone who wants female Link or to play as a girl, let’s let our voice heard!

  • Splashatack69

    I would like a Zelda game where Zelda saves link… I don’t care how link get’s captured. he could be… sent to space and strangled by a IT guy from verizon because he took a wrong turn visiting his aunt Clarissa. make link a girl? sure! that would be nice, i don’t mind… make zelda a guy whle your at it. psshhh seriously. i just want zelda to be the one to save link! peach saved mario once! i really don’t mind! i want to introduce my neice to zelda. and a female link saving a female zelda would make me feel alot better about a seven year old murdering countless monsters. but seriously. i’d like to see a female link. im not for or against it.

    • Vash bane

      you know that’s interesting they could have cia kidnap link and Zelda save him :D

      edit:”seven year old murdering countless monsters” that’s makes me lolz seeing I saw a show along time ago were a newborn was killing people left and right. or the less violent one where a baby broke an adults finger

  • Xmas Lopez

    That was so mean of you to say that about the trailer, Aonuma. You got my hopes up and everything. ;^;

  • CozyAndWarm

    Ha. There’s all this talk of females in games, but most of the females Nintendo showed at E3 were Bayonetta and the Hyrule Warriors girls, i.e. tons of fan service.

    Although I was pleasantly surprised at the many Treehouse speakers who were female, who weren’t annoying “guuuuurrrl gamers” but were genuinely enthusiastic about the games and gameplay.

  • Leonard Norwood Jr.

    Well having an option for Link to be male or female would be fine with me, since Link is the avatar of us players. I’m going to try not to see what is all the fuss is all about, as it is simply an idea to possibly explore along with anything else that could add to the game in the development stage. I get people want to play as Zelda, but Aonuma and the gane will have to come up with a scenario that could spring Zelda to action, even knowing that she is an incarnation of a goddess, otherwise Zelda being playable is going to be a complicating issue if they don’t come up with something. Zelda has always been having the role of being saved, being a princess that holds the Triforce of Wisdom, a big target for Ganon and other villians. The question is that how is it going to work with Zelda going through the same trials as Link if she is playable. Also people complain about the gender switcheroo, when a female Link and Zelda also remaining female could still work, with their relationship remaining that as friends. You gotta think outside of the box without putting your feelings in what you think won’t work. That’s just my gripe.

    Anyway, This topic got this article with 500 comments and still going, Hopefully people can just discuss this without being anything like the Sonic Fanbase.

  • Snorlaxation

    I can see the benefits of having Link’s next incarnation being female, whether because each Link is a decendent or their all connected by blood (because seriously, they all look alike), but having one be female would be pretty cool. It really wouldn’t even change the game much, but by not changing the game much, would help reinforce that a hero doesn’t have to rely on their gender, just their skills.

    Having said that, I would still love for more Zelda time. She is strong, and a princess, but she’s also a figurehead. She can’t just go off on adventures because she is usually the only member of the royal family existing and she has a kingdom to run. However, with the right dilemmas/adventure she could move free of her figurehead status (maybe to save her own kingdom from coming devastation?). Also, don’t forget, that most games in this series have portrayed Link and Zelda teaming up (at least towards the end) to take down Ganondorf together. I wouldn’t mind a big change to that formula, but even just small changes would be cool.

    • Jettythesunfish

      Applause for you my friend.

  • Eric Harris

    Ok I’m dull and boring but I don’t know or care about the extended lore of Zelda. All this controversy is funny to me because if they decided to make the main playable character a girl I would be happy. I just don’t think “Link” is a good name for a female though. And no Linkette doesn’t work either. Just name a new female hero for the story, problem solved.

    • revenent hell

      Actually I think of Zelda as more of a male name and Link more feminine….. But that’s just me.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/EnvyMizuhashi Garyuu (& Spyke)

        People did think Link’s name was Zelda back then. lol

        • revenent hell

          Well, I am not a Zelda game player but when people started raging at me for not knowing about it I looked in to the games and thought Zelda was indeed Link.
          Not because of any “main characters name should be the title” thing but just because it sounded manly to me.
          I was kind of shocked to realize Zelda was someone else…..

    • Jettythesunfish

      I find “Link” to be a unisex name, considering the name is supposed to indicate a “link” between you and the game character.

    • Chris Hodges

      But remember, you name your character whatever you want.

  • Sakurazaki

    Even if we don’t know the gender of the next->next Link for certain, you just can’t confidently say that there are equal chances he can be either gender.

    Which is why I have a problem with the whole “reincarnation” point going around. Whether you believe its real-life occurrence or not, this “reincarnation” is fictional, meaning it is up to the writer of the game to determine who Link is. It also means that the “reincarnation” you’re thinking of might not be the same one they have written up. A male (albeit androgynous) Link as the long-established “poster-guy” for the franchise definitely means something. You can’t deny that.

    Personally, I don’t know why we are even talking about this. We should accept either outcome with open arms.

    • Aquarius

      Thank you for being reasonable. I really hope that everyone, regardless of gender, could interpret this “gender is oh so important in games” the way you did.

      Have a good day!

  • Zander

    To be honest, I’d rather play as Link the way he is, not because of social norms that state men have to be the hero, but because that’s who Link has been to me all my life. I play games to experience a story through a character’s eyes, not to have an adventure in my own right. I’m not adverse to playing a Zelda game with a female hero, but there are plenty of strong female characters already established in the series that I’d want to see given the spotlight over a genderbend of Link.

  • Alex

    I want to actually play as Zelda.

  • http://www.hamstapowah.com/ Zaron

    I don’t mind if Link’s a girl. I don’t mind if it’s a choice either way. I honestly am intrigued by it being Zelda and Link being the captured pansy for once, or both characters existing and having separate strengths and storylines. I think that last one appeals to me the most, but I’m not bothered by any given option. I figure if you’re already shaking the foundation of the gameplay itself, why not give the narrative structure a good shaking, too? And that could kind of happen regardless of which route is taken.

    Link just being an androgynous girly man to get everyone’s hopes up / blood boiling and cause a stir to ultimately mean nothing, though? That one seems like it would be a bit cruel. I hope there’s more happening here than just that. It’s not the end of the world for Link to be a guy again, but to stir up trouble like Aonuma’s doing if you don’t intend to do something with it seems really underhanded. I don’t think Nintendo’s generally like that, so I’m left expecting something new.

    That, and the guy behind Dresden Kodak got my hopes all up by hinting that Nintendo may have shown interest in his (honestly pretty rad) “Zelda as the Hero” concepts…

  • Guest

    The thing is that Nintendo doesn’t need Link to be male or female (or genderqueer if we want to be inclusive)
    Nintendo can leave it up to the player to decide Link’s gender identity.
    The Etrian Odyssey series (from Atlus) sets forth a great example (in
    my mind, feel free to correct me) of gender ambiguity with it’s
    character customization. It allows you to pick a class, appearance and a
    name, and the rest is up to your imagination. Your medic might look
    like a male, but could identify as a female. Your alchemist might be
    clearly a female, but be agender. Your gunner might look like a girl, but feel that deep down that they are a velociraptor. Beyond appearance, a character’s entire identity is entirely up to the player.
    Now those familiar with Etrian Odyssey might say that Etrian Odyssey
    is significantly more ambiguous than other games on the market,
    including LoZ. I’ll agree with that, especially since the individual
    members of your party are rarely addressed, and as a result gender
    specific pronouns aren’t used. But why can’t Legend of Zelda do that?
    They already use the file’s name as Link’s name, so all they would need
    to do to make it fully ambiguous is use they/their instead of he/his.
    You might say that it would make the dialogue awkward, but a skilled
    enough writer shouldn’t have any problem swapping one word for another
    without lowering the quality. And let’s be honest, would you really notice if
    they used they and theirs instead of he and his if you weren’t actively
    looking?
    Rather than male or female, I simply want Link’s gender to be up to the player.
    Can Nintendo do that?
    Yes.
    Will they do that?
    Don’t make me laugh.

    • Touma

      lol “Your gunner might look like a girl, but feel that deep down that they are a velociraptor.” that golds bro, heres my like!

  • Chris Hodges

    So the biggest con argument seems like it can be summed up as, “because in the past…” Aunoma is spot on saying Link has been an avatar for the player. Always has been. The name “Link” has been more of a way of referencing the character (link between you and the game world,) in the larger scope of things. People keep bringing up Mario, and Samus, etc., but you can’t name them whatever like Link. Every iteration of Zelda gives you the option to name your character whatever you wish, be it Link, Farts, or YOURTURN, that choice is reflected in the game world.
    I for one would love to see a female Link as it opens up new avenues on how we view the character’s relationship with the world and it’s denizens. Plus, I’d much rather have a tale about a friendship between Link and Zelda without romantic overtones.

  • gamebabble

    What’s with all this “change Link to a girl” BS? If Link is the player avatar wouldn’t it just be a CHOICE like in Pokemon? I mean think about it, you get to NAME Link in every game, so why not just as “Are you a Boy or a Girl?” first and THEN you get to name your “Link”.

    Why can’t we have both Link and FemLink at the same time? It’s a silent technically nameless protagonist either way!

    • Shippoyasha

      Nameless protagonist? The official artbooks and creators have something to say for that though.

  • VeniVidiVici

    I doubt gender-bending Link would have a positive response, as Link is such an iconic character.

    But I saw this picture on Tumblr on a what-if scenario where Link isnt the Hero, and instead Zelda takes it upon herself to fight for her kingdom and I think it would make an incredible game

  • Vash bane

    lmao I really cant argue with anyone seeing as a lot people here are taking this serious I just want to say the words “female character” plus Zelda ….will bring out the all kinds of interwebs.

    I remember back in the day ALOT of players would often get mad when they see pics of a swapped links. I just find it funny

    but after getting to the age I am now and growing up some I decided to TRY and understand the legend of Zelda.. and though some of this research I found out that the title the hero of time or whatever will always be link but it seems its a spiritual thing and links always had the same appearance.

    so I guess links could be any gender in any given lifetime and as I started of playing Zelda fun at first (when I was younger…YOUNGER lol) I never understood the story or the mythos the series has going on. like I never played WW so I had no idea links had a sister matter of fact and most titles that I had played links was like a orphan or something and I always used to think link and Zelda were siblings XD

    I didn’t bother to read a lot of comments because…well I’m not to bright you see (lol) and I’m not all that into Zelda (I don’t play all the titles and sometimes most of the time skip though them) so I cant really get into a grasp of what the more dedicated fan knows.

    but in my eyes (and my opinion I guess) Zelda has always been the female links to me.

    I guess people might be afraid F links might end up all fan serviced? (good lord….did I just type all that o.o)

    • Asura

      Honestly I still can’t believe some people are afraid as much as they are of having a female reincarnation of Link.
      And having their iconic heroes fanserviced to hell would do a decent job of showing them what it’s like for the female game characters that get fanserviced to hell and back. It’s honestly not a big deal, but I’m sure there’s people out there who aren’t used to that sort of thing.

      • Vash bane

        like i said I really cant say much about the series seeing as I’m not that into it (story wise of course I only played a few of the older titles and the last I played was twilight princess). I’m so “out of loop” of the series that I never really considered links to be a iconic character (seeing as I always called link links….bad habit that I grew up with unfortunately). heck the whole link is suppose to be the player never rubbed off me like that. I just thought he was iono just a silent man. I even remember back when a lot of players thought link was a “she” and then when they heard his voice in-game they started calling him a girly man and now fans don’t want link to officially have a female counter part?

        tickle me surprised is all

        but yeah what you say is what I think also…I’m sorry I’m not very good at discussing/arguments on this site.

  • http://hatintime.com/ ShadowFang

    I’d dig being able to play as MULTIPLE characters. Having one destined kid save the World is formulaic, and at this point, kind of reduces the impact of all the supporting players… of which there are MANY. Link always has the help of various magical partners, tribes’ leaders, Shiekah warriors, and – of course – Princess Zelda… so I’d like to see a game where you can switch between characters. We don’t see enough of those types anyway.

    Give the next Zelda a “Lost Vikings” feel to it’s puzzles. Don’t let Hyrule Warriors be the only game where we can play as Link, Zelda, Impa and Midna on the same team!

    Also, I liked the conspiracy theories about this Link :P I’m sad Aonuma squashed it so soon. I was holding out hope for the inevitable “It’s Aryll from Wind Waker all grown up! This is a sequel!” theory based purely on the fact that Link is wearing blue :D

  • Kumiko Akimoto

    You sound like someone who’s run out of argument.

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