Pikmin 3 Might Be Cutting Into Mario & Luigi: Dream Team Sales

By Ishaan . July 29, 2013 . 4:30pm

Last week, Nintendo released Mario & Luigi: Dream Team in Japan, and the game sold 99,972 copies in its first week. Sales tracker Media Create report that this represented a low sell-through of 25.49%.

 

For some perspective, the previous game, Mario & Luigi: Bowser’s Inside Story, sold 192,945 copies in its first week, and sold through 86.75% of its shipment.

 

Going by the above figures, Nintendo shipped 222,414 copies of Bowser’s Inside Story and a whopping 392,200 copies of Dream Team. Yet, the older game sold more, despite a smaller shipment.

 

Media-Create say that the difference is that Bowser’s Inside Story had a wide audience buying the game, from grade school students to people in their 30s, which indicates that a number of casual players picked it up. So, why didn’t Dream Team do as well?

 

The answer to that may lie in another Nintendo game, which is Pikmin 3. Media Create point out that Pikmin 3 was released the week before Mario & Luigi: Dream Team, and was a highly anticipated Nintendo game, which might have cut into the word of mouth of the latter game. Perhaps we’ll see Dream Team sales pick up as the effect of Pikmin 3 wears off in the weeks to come.

 


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  • http://vanilladice.deviantart.com/ Dice

    Good! Give Mario a break, bring in the other Nintendo All-Stars!!!

    We get like 4 Mario games a year, and there’s only been 3 of Pikmin soooo…..

    • biskmater

      Just the opposite, we only get one serious mario game per generation, galaxy being the exception. and the same goes for the rpg series.which come years apart.

  • http://linkapics.tumblr.com/ Linka

    All things considered, I’d rather Pikmin 3 be selling more. The Wii U needs a bigger presence.

    • AuraGuyChris

      But Alpha Dream worked like hell on M&L.

      WHY CAN’T WE BE RICHER TO BUY EVERYTHING?!

      • http://linkapics.tumblr.com/ Linka

        This is what I constantly despair over.

        I mean, yeah, I’ll imagine that they did work on M&L and that it’s gonna be awesome, but given the current climate, the 3DS can afford to have a slow seller. Wii U needs big games with quick results before more companies and devs try to essentially abandon ship, and Pikmin 3′s a good start.

        Pikmin 3 actually has some pretty good appeal to people. My dad saw it at a Gamestop yesterday and he was actually interested, and he doesn’t know what Pikmin is!

  • Wake

    Nintendo comes out with a ton of Mario iterations every year so I can’t help but feel this just might be a bit of Mario fatigue.

  • Magnumsally

    It also has to do with the fact when bowsers inside story launched the ds install base was DOUBLE.

    I dont worry that much

    • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

      3DS has sold close to 12 million in Japan. That’s a large enough userbase to attract casual buyers. 3DS sales aren’t the problem here. If they were, Luigi’s Mansion, Tomodachi Collection and Animal Crossing wouldn’t have sold as well as they did.

      • Arrei

        Still, BIS sold about double what Dream Team did when the DS’s install base was twice the 3DS’s in Japan.

        Could you explain how casual players or those other games factor into it? As far as I can see, the ratio of BIS buyers to DS owners is pretty close to Dream Team’s ratio, and I wouldn’t expect the composition of either system’s demographic to vary that much.

        The real mystery, I think, is why Nintendo shipped so many copies of Dream Team when BIS only shipped 222k with more than double the 3DS install base.

        • http://www.siliconera.com/ Ishaan

          Well, I think that hardware sales are only a problem when you have a system like the Vita or the Wii U. Like, then, you can say that potential long-term big-sellers aren’t doing well because the market just doesn’t exist for those consoles.

          But 12 million is a huge number, and chances are that the audience that Dream Team is targeted at already owns a 3DS, either because they like Mario or they like RPGs or they like casual games in general. All three of those categories have performed well on 3DS so far, so there’s no reason to assume it’s the system’s fault.

          At that point, all we’re left with is the possibility of other games cutting into Dream Team’s sales (which is what Media Create believes) or some sort of perceived problem with the game itself, which we may never find out, since we don’t live in Japan and have our ears close enough to the ground.

  • ( `Д´)ノ)`ν゜)

    the damage control never stops

    • NabucaCPM

      Instead of flinging accusations of bias or fanboyism, you could do yourself a favor and actually take a look at media create’s weekly report where both points are actually reiterated.

      http://www.m-create.com/ranking/

      ランキング1位は『マリオ&ルイージRPG4 ドリームアドベンチャー』で、販売本数は10.0万本。消化率は25.49%と低く、2009年2月にDSで発売された前作『マリオ&ルイージRPG3!!!』(初週販売本数19.3万本、初週消化率86.75%)から初週販売本数がほぼ半減している。弊社の購入者データによると、前作は小学生から30代まで幅広い年齢層のユーザーが購入しており、ライトユーザーを取り込んだ様子がうかがえる。今作が前作に比べ低調な出足となったのは、先週発売のWii U『ピクミン3』、今週発売の『マリオ&ルイージRPG4 』と、任天堂の注目タイトルが2週連続で発売されたことで新作効果が分散し、かつ任天堂プラットフォームの中でも重点タイトルである『ピクミン3』の発売が先行したことで『マリオ&ルイージRPG4 』の話題性が低くなったためと推察される。

      With that said, hopefully BS comments like yours don’t find their way in any future sales articles.

    • NabucaCPM

      Instead of flinging accusations of bias or fanboyism, you could do yourself a favor and actually take a look at media create’s weekly report where both points are actually reiterated.

      http://www.m-create.com/rankin

      ランキング1位は『マリオ&ルイージRPG4 ドリームアドベンチャー』で、販売本数は10.0万本。消化率は25.49%と低く、2009年2月にDSで発売された前作『マリオ&ルイージRPG3!!!』(初週販売本数19.3万本、初週消化率86.75%)から初週販売本数がほぼ半減している。弊社の購入者データによると、前作は小学生から30代まで幅広い年齢層のユーザーが購入しており、ライトユーザーを取り込んだ様子がうかがえる。今作が前作に比べ低調な出足となったのは、先週発売のWii U『ピクミン3』、今週発売の『マリオ&ルイージRPG4 』と、任天堂の注目タイトルが2週連続で発売されたことで新作効果が分散し、かつ任天堂プラットフォームの中でも重点タイトルである『ピクミン3』の発売が先行したことで『マリオ&ルイージRPG4 』の話題性が低くなったためと推察される。

      With that said, hopefully BS comments like yours don’t find their way in any future sales articles.

    • NabucaCPM

      Instead of flinging accusations of bias or fanboyism, you could do yourself a favor and actually take a look at media create’s weekly report where both points are actually reiterated.

      http://www.m-create.com/rankin

      ランキング1位は『マリオ&ルイージRPG4 ドリームアドベンチャー』で、販売本数は10.0万本。消化率は25.49%と低く、2009年2月にDSで発売された前作『マリオ&ルイージRPG3!!!』(初週販売本数19.3万本、初週消化率86.75%)から初週販売本数がほぼ半減している。弊社の購入者データによると、前作は小学生から30代まで幅広い年齢層のユーザーが購入しており、ライトユーザーを取り込んだ様子がうかがえる。今作が前作に比べ低調な出足となったのは、先週発売のWii U『ピクミン3』、今週発売の『マリオ&ルイージRPG4 』と、任天堂の注目タイトルが2週連続で発売されたことで新作効果が分散し、かつ任天堂プラットフォームの中でも重点タイトルである『ピクミン3』の発売が先行したことで『マリオ&ルイージRPG4 』の話題性が低くなったためと推察される。

      With that said, hopefully BS comments like yours don’t find their way in any future sales articles.

    • NabucaCPM

      Instead of flinging accusations of bias or fanboyism, you could do yourself a favor and actually take a look at media create’s weekly report where both points are actually reiterated.

      http://www.m-create.com/rankin

      ランキング1位は『マリオ&ルイージRPG4 ドリームアドベンチャー』で、販売本数は10.0万本。消化率は25.49%と低く、2009年2月にDSで発売された前作『マリオ&ルイージRPG3!!!』(初週販売本数19.3万本、初週消化率86.75%)から初週販売本数がほぼ半減している。弊社の購入者データによると、前作は小学生から30代まで幅広い年齢層のユーザーが購入しており、ライトユーザーを取り込んだ様子がうかがえる。今作が前作に比べ低調な出足となったのは、先週発売のWii U『ピクミン3』、今週発売の『マリオ&ルイージRPG4 』と、任天堂の注目タイトルが2週連続で発売されたことで新作効果が分散し、かつ任天堂プラットフォームの中でも重点タイトルである『ピクミン3』の発売が先行したことで『マリオ&ルイージRPG4 』の話題性が低くなったためと推察される。

      With that said, hopefully BS comments like yours don’t find their way in any future sales articles.

    • http://www.senran-international.boards.net/ TwinTails

      What damage control?

  • Grape Monet

    99,972 copies is no slouch, though. Besides, Mario games usually have long legs – this game will probably have a long and healthy retail life for quite some time.

  • http://s1.zetaboards.com/Espada_of_Alexandria/index/ konpon568

    No Bowser, no buy!

    • biskmater

      Rest assured, Bowser is included.

      • Derek E Nay

        Better yet. A platformer as Bowser as the main character!

        • Haseyo

          I feel bad for the platforms.

        • biskmater

          He is not terribly mobile, so I don’t think a platformer is the right fit for bowser…

          • Derek E Nay

            Maybe not. But it will be different then another Mario game.

            Oh I love your Avatar btw. I enjoyed Okage.

  • Ty Arnold

    Great. Now the next Mario & Luigi game will have no original characters and will lose all of the series’ originality and charm.

    Or I’m just being paranoid. But maybe Nintendo is also being paranoid!

    • Armane

      But Super Paper Mario was the best selling game in the series…

      I feel like Sticker Star is what’s eating into M&L’s sales more than anything. From negativity surrounding that release, to how quickly we’re getting another RPG after it.

  • Warukyure

    I wouldn’t read too deep into this. Even if its first week’s sales are low in comparison to other titles in the series, it doesn’t matter since Nintendo games have some kinda special endurance that allows them to stay on the charts for weeks, months, longer than other games.

    Look at things like Animal Crossing: New Leaf, it came out in japan back in Nov 2012, and its still on the charts and its still selling. So is Luigi’s Mansion: Dark Moon and that came out back in March 2013.

    So what if it had a bad week, it’ll probably stay on the top 20 for weeks if not months.

    • Space_Ghost

      “Nintendo games have some kinda special endurance” – A.K.A quality. It’s obvious that Nintendo titles don’t blow people away when it comes to the technical aspects, but their gameplay is always top notch. Also, for the most part, and most importantly, they are fun.

  • http://LevelUpGeneration.blogspot.com/ KALiverin

    And yet again, nobody mentions the fact that the game is released both physically and digitally. Now while I don’t follow sales data that much and I’m aware of the fact that digital sales don’t make up a huge, significant number, I can say that it’s very easy to look at a chart that only tracks physical sales and use that to judge a game’s sales as a whole.

    And yes, I am also aware of the larger number of units shipped compared to the actual sales. I won’t act like I know what I’m talking about, but I do wonder if the game did better digitally than expected or something.

  • Lester Rat

    Great. The excuse for Pikmin steep drop was that Mario & Luigi was released in the following week, and the excuse for Mario & Luigi low numbers is that Pikmin was released in the previous week.

    Mario & Luigi probably will do well in the long run, but it is sad to see that fans, especially Nintendo ones, have become so obsessed with sales charts.

    • Farid Belkacemi

      So… Media Create is a nintendo fan now ? Which fans are you talking about ? :p

      • Lester Rat

        People like you, that are burned up when someone brings those facts up. If you don’t live in a bubble, you can check here on Siliconera and on every major gaming forum people coming up with “reasons” why a certain game sold or hasn’t sold a certain amount, especially when it is a Nintendo game.

        You tried to be funny, but the joke is on you, because such an answer like yours is an indication that you didn’t even try to understand, you are only up to saying nonsense to take the focus out of the main argument.

        • Farid Belkacemi

          No offense but ishaan is talking about M&L 4 and the possible reasons behind the low sales… According to Media Create. So “excuses” and whining “nintendo fans”, I don’t think so. The joke is on you actually ;)

          • Lester Rat

            Who mentioned Ishaan? It is clear that you missed the point, but because you have nothing to say of constructive and you were burned up by my post, you will act childishly because you are not up to discussing anything, only posting personal criticism because you think “you are smart” and you can “will the discussion” that way.

          • M’iau M’iaut

            Please note that the article clearly mentions the comments made by the tracking company. Yes, folks have left their own thoughts here, but the mentions in the article are from the analysts.

          • Lester Rat

            And?

          • $29082171

            You said that ”fans, especially Nintendo ones, have become so obsessed with sales charts”, implying that it was the fans who came up with the ”excuse” instead of actual analysts.

          • Lester Rat

            It is not even on the same paragraph as the part about the negative cyclical argument. But it looks like writing “Nintendo fans” defeat any purpose of having a discussion because you attract only the worst.

          • $29082171

            Then why bring them up at all? Anyone would have made the connection.

            Also, if what you’re saying is true, then when did Media Create claim that M&L4 coming out is the reason Pikmin 3 didn’t sell much?

          • Lester Rat

            Anyone with a very poor reading-comprehension sense or so moved by his/her irrational love for a company, you mean. It is true that people only see what they want to see, but I am not obliged to refrain from what I want to say just because people are quicker to ganging up to annoy some user than to read his post.

            Your second question is a clear sign that at least you are doing it on purpose, because your goal in this discussion is not to understand what is being said, but to “win the discussion”, so first other users including a mod invented that I didn’t understand that it was Media Create and not Ishaan who wrote that (which is a terrible thing to see coming from a mod, btw). Now it is you inventing that I was talking about Media Create because you are not aware of the existence of such an article last week.

            What else people will come up with to try to discredit the guy who dared to mention “Nintendo fans” in his comment?

          • $29082171

            First of all, where did you get all those accusations from? What discussion? What ”winning”? I was just trying to show how you were actually talking about the fans since you keep saying that you’re not, for it was you who made up the thing about ”now the excuse is that Pikmin 3 caused M&L to sell bad” when nobody but Media Create said that. In fact, checking your comments on the Pikmin 3 sales article shows that you’re obviously referring to just the people in the comments section. You’re mixing up Media Create and Siliconera commenters, for Media Create has never mentioned M&L being a factor in Pikmin’s sales.

          • Lester Rat

            Winning is exactly what you are trying to do. Where nobody said that but Media Create? You live in a bubble?

            Now go see the MC numbers for this week. Ace Attorney 5, that is an underdog to the two almighty Nintendo IPs, in its first week sold more than the sum of Pikmin and M&L first week, showing that all the analysts and fans were wrong on both arguments about Pikmin and M&L. All the articles, forum discussions, etc were a waste of time.

            And the whole point is that it is sad that now people are so obsessed with sales charts. It should be something that concerned only business people, but now it looks like everybody wants to be an analyst and come with excuses for games that didn’t sell what they wanted it to sell.

          • $29082171

            So you post a comment in an article where it just so happens to be about Media Create saying that Pikmin might have cut into M&L4′s sales, where nobody else in the comment section has even said so and in fact some disagreed, and you think you can just get off by saying others have bad reading comprehension?

            Show that first post of yours to anyone and ask them who do they think you’re talking about when referring to those who makes excuses, I guarantee anyone will point to the fans mentioned later in the post, it’s just basic reading comprehension.

            The biggest point however, is the fact that neither parties have said both ”excuses”, Media Create only said Pikmin 3 affection M&L and Siliconera readers only said M&L affecting Pikmin 3.

          • Lester Rat

            Well, in your case it is evident that it is intellectual dishonesty because if you understood the post and yet you are forcing a conclusion of things that are not present anywhere in my posts, then you are just being dishonest for the sake of “winning the discussion” because you were burned up by me citing Nintendo fans in an unrelated paragraph.

            The second paragraph is evidently disconnected and if your “anyone” is “basic reading comprehension”, I am afraid reading comprehension is terrible among people you know. But I am sure reading comprehension is not terrible among every person you know, it is just dishonest use of a fallacy because you are taking it as a personal fight.

            And your last paragraph is so good that it only confirms what I have said in my first post. First it was claimed that A was down because of B, then B was down because of A, but overall neither A nor B did well, so both arguments, used as excuse for the poor performance of either game were completely wrong.

          • M’iau M’iaut

            We are now all far removed from the topic folks. End the back and forth now. Thanks.

          • Lester Rat

            Fair enough

          • $29082171

            The reason why the second paragraph couldn’t be disconnected is, again (why you keep ignoring this part is beyond me), because neither Media Create nor the fans have stated both cases, therefore, the only way that could have been read is if you were accusing the fans of saying both.

            If you weren’t talking about the fans, then WHO?

  • Adrian Duran

    too bad media create doesn’t track down digital sales…

    • Elem187

      Yeah, none of the software reports do across the world… Nintendo had a promotion to get people to download Pikmin 3, and also did the same thing in the USA… So there is a chance there is a huge chunk of sales that we will never hear about. We will only learn the physical boxed copies sold.

  • Space_Ghost

    In the US it’s not only “Pikmin 3″, but “Tales of Xillia” as well. I figure those who like M&L also enjoy Tales of games. Some have the funds to get all 3, but most do not. Which one are people prioritizing out of the three? August has some solid titles coming out, plus Nintendo just announced the Black 3DS XL.

    • Elem187

      There is probably a very large amount of Mario/Luigi fans that don’t really like RPG’s per say, but love these characters and don’t realize they are playing an RPG…. Tales of Xillia on the other hand will only appeal to RPG enthusiasts in the west as its fairly niche.

  • TWE

    You always run the risk of this happening with multiple first party title releases. See how it does in the long haul.

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